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MZLady39:
Hmmmm.......so in essence you are saying that it's okay to
1. Make graven images
2. Worship the images and idols
3. Be irreverent towards God's name
4. Keep any day holy
5. Disrespect one's mother & father
6. Kill whomever one wants to
7. Have anyone's husband or wife one wants to
8. Steal anything one wants
9. LIE and slander anyone one sees fit
10. Deeply desire someone else's belongings

You're the one saying

Front page pls

MZLady39:
So are you saying that the 10 commandments are no longer biding and that there is no specific day of rest for His people?

Yes

MZLady39:
Hi,
How did Christ fulfill the Sabbath?

Sabbath is a shadow of christ. He came to give us rest. Rest is salvation .

Matthew 12:8 (KJV Strong's)
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Sabbath means rest

Matthew 11:28-29 (KJV)
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

WHERE ARE THOSE MOCKERS NOW. You need more verification ?

Ubenedictus:
so he fulfill some commandment and didnt fulfill d rest? is that what u are saying.

Did Jesus fulfill . "Thou shall have no other God? It's still your responsibility to kee away from idol. If he did how did he do it.

hahn:
Women like who? Name one female preacher or disciple of Jesus in the bible with the bible verse please. Thank you in anticipation

You yourself gave enough proof . But if I may add others . Pricilla was one . One of the companion of Paul.

Niyuu:
The act of speaking in tongues has always confused me, right from my childhood.

The Bible clearly states 'speaking in tongues' as a gift of the spirit, but there is something I (and I'm pretty sure almost everyone else) have noticed.

All pastors, or at least all that I've come across, speak in a particular tongue.
Rababoboskibobobo Andamalamamannana Skimtayaya!

Is it possible that there are no genuine tonguers in the church today?
Or let's assume 'obobobonopokoskirayayayayaya' actually means something in an archaic language. How is it that they all speak a particular kind of tongue?

Another baffling thing, a Catholic friend actually drew my attention to this, there's a place in the Bible where it is stated that there should be no tongueing without an interpreter.

No one can understand what you say so you shouldn't be doing it in public without someone to decode your sayings.

Is it possible that pastors who do that, you know... Kabash in tongues from dawn to dusk are in the wrong?

Are they hypocrites like the Pharisees, wanting everyone to hear and be in awe of them, or are they simply spirit filled and have no control over their utterances?

You're mistaking . There are two kinds of tongues . There is a prophetic tongue that you need to interpret because it's a message for the hearers . But there's a tongue of prayer which need no interpretation. It's between the speakers and God in church or privately . Lastly for the second tongues of prayer .it doesn't matter how it sounds . Either it Lele Lele Lele,ekek. It's utterly rubbish and jargon. It's not the sounds that counts but where it's generated . In the realm of the spirit it has meaning

plainbibletruth:
A major premise of the "Eternal Principle" claim on tithing is that it existed before the Mosaic Law.

If this argument is to stand then we need to look at ALL the practices God instituted and see how they line up with the argument.

CIRCUMCISION is one of those practices that God took VERY SERIOUSLY. However, when it comes to the NEW COVENANT it is clear that the believer is NO LONGER under any such obligation.

Therefore if TITHING is still to be observed under the New Covenant those of you who say so ought to be able to clearly show how it is so. Unfortunately you've been unable to do that.

The conclusion we can come to then is that it is a made up claim to justify the unjustifiable.

Not at all except you just refuse to see or acknowledge it. Types and shadow of Christ is seen from genesis to malachi. Christ fulfill those . He fulfilled offering for sin,he fulfilled circumvision . But he didn't fulfilled personal commitment in worshiping of God. He didn't fulfil tithing nor offering unto God . Neither did he fulfill personal prayer, so the fact that such things are mentioned in the law makes no difference . They are principles.

hahn:
If you have female pastors in your church, tell them to SHUT UP because: 

1 Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Timothy 2:11 - Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1 Corinthians 14:35 - And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:1-15 - I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;   (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.


CONTRADICTIONS

Acts 21:9 - And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

Romans 16:7 - Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Romans 16:1-2 - I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:   (Read More...)

Acts 2:17 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

So says the Bible, the book that promotes gender

inequality.

The Bible is not full of contradiction . You don't understand the verses you're quoting rather . The Bible wasn't against woman teach a man but rather about a woman teaching her husband . Women were preachers and teachers in the Bible dates

ashantigirl83:
I just feel like my life is a bad dream.

My mother was diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer in July 2014 and given 1 year to live.

Thank GOD, she defied doctors and is still here almost 3 years later.

However, the cancer had spread to the bone and brain. Although they were able to 'cure' the cancer in the bone/brain, the one in the lung remains and still growing.

Therefore they have stopped treatment and said she only has months e.g. 3 months to live. This was in Jan 2017.

I feel like we are being punished. We have made mistakes in the past and repented, but I feel like we are being punished.

I am sad and angry at God, there are people who have done worse - those evil politicians etc and they are enjoying their life whilst a mother is just trying to train her kids and enjoy her life quietly (her children - I am oldest age 23, middle child age 21 and youngest age 18) with her husband (my dad)

I am confused, look at those girls who had children as a teenager or at a young age out of wedlock - should I have joined them so that my mother would have been able to see my kids and hold her grandchild? I am angry, bitter and jealous of a girl who is my age and had a baby out of wedlock age 20, her mother and grandmother are alive to see that child..whilst I am still a virgin age 23, and my mother is terminally ill only expected to live a few months and not see my children/her grandchildren - who gained?

I still have hope in God, as since November 2016 they were saying she only has weeks but she is still here, but now they said months in Jan 2017.

She has made 'some' progress considering her situation, e.g. she used to have seizures up to 5 times in one day but after many prayers the seizure has stopped on itself. She could not walk, and was on wheelchair - but now after many prayers and annointing oil she can walk and climb stairs. She seems to be having a sharper memory and she looks very healthy, but she still has that diagnosis over her and is still very unwell.

I feel like dying because I feel like my life is falling apart! Like we are cursed! Our enemies will be happy and those who have been jealous of my families previous success will be secretly happy if she dies.

Yesterday, I felt like breaking down - I am not from a rich family at all, but yesterday my dad paid a herbalist £1,500 which is 591,997.58 Nigerian Naira because we are desperately searching for alternative treatments as the doctors have given up on her. £1,500 is no joke, we are not rich at all and I know he suffered to get that money but we are desperate, and the man looks like a 419 but we are desperate.

This shame is too much, look what we have been reduced to!


I was originally catholic but now have joined redeemed and another church aswell as my catholic so I am currently running up and down going to 3 different churches aswell as praying at home. Plus trying to study for my final exams but finding it hard to concentrate.
My life is a mess,please help me

If my mum dies it is either because
1. God is not a good God and he let her die. Spare me that BS about if she dies its for the best and God knows best, what can be best about an 18 year old boy losing his mother? A mother who don dey sow sow sow and neva fit reap?

2. God is not real... and I have been living and defending a lie my whole life, and I have no divine protection...

I will send personal message to you . There's a way

Seun:
Well, if he was actually a faith healer as reported in the gospels, then he must have used the same techniques that modern faith healers use

Sure ,same use of word of power same demonstration of principle of faith . But there is no modernisation.

plainbibletruth:
Like the OP wrote:

Then there's no point anybody keep bringing up the issue of circumcision.

Goshen360:
Because Sabbath is part of the 10 commandments.

Christ fulfilled the sabbath.

Talk2nanro:
keep quiet my friend, you are just a simple thief

You and your father the devil are the thief .

plainbibletruth:
You know you have not really answered my questions, don't you?

Is it the fact that an observance EXISTED before the Law that makes it applicable to the Church?

How do you determine which "parts of christology of the Old Testament ..... has been fulfilled in Christ"?

Circumcision is shadow of salvation

plainbibletruth:
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CIRCUMCISION existed before the Law.
Does that make it an "eternal principle" : a phrase you still need to CLEARLY explain?
Is it the fact that an observance EXISTED before the Law that makes it applicable to the Church?

They are parts of christology of the Old Testament such has been fulfilled in christ

Goshen360:
So do you keep the Sabbath?

Hmmm...

Splinz:
Oh yes. Don't you know true Christians keeps it together with the rest of the law?

Gbam....

Goshen360:
Oh really. Now I see.

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Splinz:
Yeah, now you know.

I don waka comot

TITHES AND OFFERINGS ARE ETERNAL PRINCIPLES

The church doesn't need a command to tithe it was already a principle in the kingdom of God . Just as other biblical principles such as prayer,fasting,worship, honoring your father and mother, alms to the poor etc . These principle existed before the law came .
TITHING EXISTED BEFORE THE LAW

Hebrews 7:6
But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

JESUS ENDORSED TITHING [/b]
Matthew 23:23 (NLT>
. . . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

Matthew 22:21
. . . , Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

THE APOSTLES ENDORSED

It's through tithes and offerings the workers of the terbernacle and temple get their welfare . And the apostles used it as illustration here.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

winetapper:
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I am sure there are people who have related experience, please do share . I will like to see how Seun and his gang will debunk this. I am open of questions
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I had similar experience once . I was praying for someone who was sick. She began to cough (sign that demons were being expelled ) but later in the night she coughed out a long pin.

Not a big deal Jesus also was labelled as of questionable character. It just depends on who's talking.

The gospel without the supernatural is like any other dead religion

1 Corinthians 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Thessalonians 1:5
5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

MuttleyLaff:
The real and true beauty is in, that tithe, is included in what at the right moment or time became abolished or done away with

Tithes and offering and alms and worship will always be principles in Gods kingdom

I agree with the op to an extent . Christ came to fulfill the law in us by giving us a new law which is nature in us and by this nature we are able to fulfill the righteousness of God. The law was the law of God. It contained principles of Gods kingdom .

Romans 7:12
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:14
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Without the knowledge of the law . You can't know what sin is.

Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

It's not every sin that is mentioned in the epistles. E.g Marrying your sister and mother .

The problem with the law was that it couldn't give man righteousness. And the reason was because of man's fallen state . Man lack the ability to do righteousness.

Romans 7:20-21
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Romans 7:10-12
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:13
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful

So it's clear here that the issue is not the law but man's fallen nature .

We are not under the law to be justified by it but The law contain some principles that are eternal in the kingdom of God. Christ fulfill the righteousness by being our substitute and ransom for sin. But the moral principles of the law are kingdom principle .

Remember the Bible the early church had was not Romans and Galatians it was the law they were studying


James 1:22 (KJV Strong's)
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Romans 2:13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Romans 7:10-12
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


And that's why you could find Paul quoting the law in many of his epistles like the Ephesians

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

But that by no means. Put us under the law to be justified by it . A man that seek to be justified by the law is fallen from grace . The law is good as long as it is used the right way . To study and to know Gods mind and principles . And also a reference point

analice107:
Thank you.
And the Part which was fulfilled has to do with the sacrificial laws, which concerns atonement for sins by shedding the blood of an animal in the place of Man's sins.

Jesus became that lamb. But what about the moral laws, do they also needs be fulfilled?


The only part of the law fulfilled, is the part that concerns sins

Beautiful .

OLAADEGBU:
That is what they call the Trojan horse. The moment you pass a non war country they are no longer a refugee but a migrant. How will you pick out those who are the true refugees?

But generally speaking from bible perspective we should show love to refugees . Physically materially and spiritually
So Under Normal circumstances doors should be opened to refugees . But this Trojan horse thing require Donald trump approach . Except there's structure deweed them of Trojan ideology .

GreenPlumes:
I won't deceive you, spirit or a witch that will dare me is not born, the occultic man that will look at me in the face in not alive anywhere.

So why ask for counsel if you know what to do

Firstly it's not your mother you're seeing . There's no connection between you too . But obviously it's a demon or a familiar spirit . Most time when someone begins to see dead people is a sign of the presence of the SPIRIT OF DEATH . If nothing is done about it . Such a one may die prematurely .
Solution rebuke the spirit of death to go from you and familiar spirit . Or get an experience minister who is experienced in casting out Devils . Don't take it lightly

Bintus2much:
3.) Now, the third level is where you would require someone to help you; your Pastor will be able to help you. Of course, any other more mature Christian can do that for you, but, always better when you talk with your Pastor. That third level is the demonic level. Now, the demonic level is where a demon has now taken advantage of what you were fascinated with that became a habit, and began to control your mind to this level where this demon, having observed you and observed your interest, has taken a hold of you in this area of your life. And so, [it] can make you subject to his dictates-anytime. You are now in bondage.

See, it's come to a demonic level; you are now in bondage to that devil. You have yielded to that devil and that devil must be cast out. It must be cast out of your mind, out of your system, before you will be free. Now, can you do that yourself? Oh, yes! It is possible also; but, it does require more knowledge of the word, more....a better understanding of the scriptures and definiteness of purpose. You make up your mind [that] this is what you want and you're going to have to have it this way. And then, you ask that devil to go and you'll have to trust, in faith, that that devil heard you. But if you go to someone who's more mature than you, it'll be far better because he'll cast that devil out of you and you'll keep the devil out

Most of the encounters I had with people had been this level 3 . I almost Believed everyone having such issue is demon possessed .

Seun:
Any updates on the smoke that came up from the ground and down from the sky, enveloped the auditorium and healed every sick person?
Surely someone on Nairaland knows someone who knows someone who actually saw the blessed healing smoke as it enveloped the hall?

But as I said , There are many confirmation of the experience over the years . I talked with couple of pastors and old members who were there . Many people saw it. Many people fell under the power. Prominent among them was pastor Ojei Ohiowere . The pastor of HERITAGE ASSEMBLY . According to the story . At that particular time in the meeting ,so many just began to happen.while Pastor Chris was ministering the power was so strong that he fell under the power . One of the leaders went to pick the microphone that fell from pastor chris, but the brother also fell down at the touch with the mic. Pastor Ojei of HERITAGE ASSEMBLY also try to pick the mic but he fell flat . So many people fell down. When the cloud appeared . Many things began to happen instantly .strange miracles ,Healings everywhere .

I gave you a number of a former member to call a Bro Kunle +2348060883772 who used to be in the ministry He was a singer ,his stage name was JAH SOLDIER. I called him later that day and he confirmed the same experience . He said at the point when things began to happen he fell under the power for a long time and when he came came back to consciousness he found himself speaking strange tongues because before that day he had not received the baptism of the holy ghost . But he got baptized that day . He said a lady who couldn't read without eyeglasses also began to read posters on the wall and shouting "I CAN SEE" . Though Kunle didn't see the cloud probably when he was under the anointing and secondly . It but he confirmed every healing and miracles when he got up.

Well ,Mr Seun. If you're seeking truth . It's before you . If you did the thread to seek to know and confirm . Call Kunle he can link you to others who were there . But if your created the thread to mock christian faith, it's not too nice. Some of the witnesses I spoke to felt it was useless reading or responding to such because mockers are not seeking truth . And bloggers only create thread to have traffic . I hope yours is not so.

@op what kind of title is this ? Was the business done in the name of the church. Pastors in Cec are mostly volunteers and lay pastors . They have their jobs and businesses. He could be a land agent ,estate broker or banker . Being a pastor is only a responsibility. Why is church name called into this . If he were a catholic will you call the church name?

OLAADEGBU:
What does the Bible say about refugees? What should be the Christian response to the refugee crisis?

There are different kinds of refugees. The Bible teaches on hospitality. But the refugees situation of today were deliberately created as Islamic agenda to invade nations. Christian attitude primarily is to bombard them with the gospel while rendering the help. Make deciples of them.