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Alphabyte3:
A vibe coder uses AI to generate software by describing desired outcomes in natural language, essentially "vibing" with an AI assistant to build applications, rather than writing every line of code manually. This approach, popularized by Andrej Karpathy.

Indian and American vibe coders are building impossible software than the rest of the world converting ideas into real product using various tools those guys has mastered the art of vibe coder that is why I call them senior vibe coders .

Nigerian vibe coding community are growing we have some Nairaland programmers building softwares using AI . We are trying but Asians and Americans are leading this field . You can build something a human can do in 6 months in 5 minutes. If you want to get a job just search vibe coding remote jobs on Google.

I hardly like to respond to posts on vibe coding as a mobile and full-stack engineer so as not to be mistaken for hatred but i think i will like to respond to this one.
When new tools arrive in tech industry many novices and newbies mostly assume, in ignorance that will certainly displace established practices.
Another assumption is that these tools will make them professionals in no distance time and they tend to use that assumption to mock veterans in the industry who have made mistakes and learn from them, took time to learn best practices
Electric machine never replaced true seamstress it made them become faster and more productive
vibe codig will never real developers it will make more better faster and increasingly productive
What vibe coders will become in years to come:
dumb coders
zombie coders
less logical coders,etc.

I am predicting that hackers will have the best of time in the nearest future

Meanwhile true vibe coders are the ones who know and control the tools not the tools controlling them. They learn and the working and the internals, they can tell when the tool isn't working well. They fix things without the tool or when the tool is not available
Imagine you need to use a new API but your AI tool isn't aware about it. So you are stalk
You vibe-coded an app,it worked, hurray! Suddenly it grew,and you start thinking of next direction to go
What happens when you need to load balance,find-out which microservice pattern you need to use,migrate datasource,etc. While your AI tool will likely write the code for you will you understand it?

If your AI tool write your Queques for you will you even know where to put them? Then you ask the AI again for that!
When non-programmers start vibe coding they become dumbier and dumbier

In summary if you want to truly vibe-code, learn the fundamentals, be a programmer who knows what the tools produce. That way you will control the tool not the other way round!Do not forget that car manufacturers still control the kinds of cars robots built in the factory!
I vibe-code but i control it and even correct it when necessary

zinaunreal:
As you have asked this questions, use Google to answer it yourself there are lots of references that clearly point out the answers. You're asking me? About quantum tech and space tech like that put food on the table for Americans living paycheck to paycheck with expensive healthcare system. Let them continue with their AI and Quantum brouhaha and let people live in peace

You said they a third world country and their time of innovation is past then validate your claim! Give the references lets see. Expensive health care system is not part of the debated subject here
Drop your said references. Don't tell me to Google it

KayaMaghan:
I always laugh when I see people saying America is not the Greatest superpower.

Truth is, no nation comes close to the vicinity.
People only talk because America is the one country they can talk about. And America, as the top dog, does not need to respond to any false narrative or explain itself.

If not for America, una for see shege for all these superpower-wannabes hands.

It's why I will always choose America over Russia or China; colonist masters or not.
Thank God for America.

You just said the exact thing i would have typed all over Nairaland! Many do not know that if any other country had been the super-power freedom to the extent we have in the world today,would non-existence! All other wanting to be super-powers are far more dangerous. Just imagine China being the uncle Sam!!! No more church, no more mosque, no more democracy,etc.

zinaunreal:
Go and sit down jor. America is a struggling 3rd world country that only depends on violence to stay relevant. Their only language is destruction. Their innovative era is over and they can never compete. They know it, the world knows it.

Everyone speaks with facts available to them per time! Questions for you:
1. How is America a 3rd world country?
2.How do they depend on violence? Give three valid cases for your answer
3. Provide evidences that their innovation time is over and list at three countries that surpasses the U.S in major recent tech innovations such as Quantum technology,Space technology,A.I

We await you replies sir
note: I didn't throw any insult just what that we comment with fact not emotion

Orlu13:
Wasteful....that money will be embezzled.... nothing good ever comes out from this sham called Nigeria

Your comment is wasteful and shameful! more investment are coming on the way to Nigeria! She is the next big thing and the world knows ! That is why they are not listening to all of the hate speech. Nigeria real potential is about to emerge! It is a shame that our youth are focusing bad leadership and equating it to mean the country is of no value rather our effort should channeled to intellectual revolution.
If you are smart enough position yourself. For me I see a great country full of opportunities irrespective of the present circumstances

Dippstech:
Hi guys,

I’ve been hearing a lot about "Vibe Coding" recently basically using AI to build software just by describing how you want it to feel and work, without actually writing the code yourself.

I decided to test it out today to see if it’s real or just hype. I needed a simple way to track my daily spending because debit alerts are moving too fast these days. 😂

The Challenge: I asked Claude 3.5 Sonnet to build me a Personal Budget Tracker that:

Runs entirely in the browser (Single HTML file).

Saves data automatically (using Local Storage) so I don't lose my records.

Supports both Naira (₦) and Dollars ($).

Has a Dark Mode (very important).

The Result: It actually worked perfectly on the first try. It’s clean, fast, and I don't need to install any heavy app or sign up for an account. It just lives in my browser.

I’ve packaged the file for anyone who wants a distraction-free way to track their finances. It’s a lightweight tool that gets the job done.

You can check it out on Selar (It’s just ₦1,000 to support the effort): [https://selar.com/m/toriola-malik1]

Let me know what you guys think about this "Vibe coding" trend. Is this the future of software?

Wow! While I use AI by the side when writing my frontend and backend I have not 'vibe-code' fully! I am wondering what happens when you need to enterprise apps, microservices,multi-tenant apps,etc. that will needed to be unit-tested at least, run on a staging server and all of that. Many novices will soon convince themselves as software engineer because they can now 'vibe-code.'
Hackers will have the best of times in the near future. Also we will know true tech-architects from block-molders
AI should be used as assistant not replace your logical thinking.

Blunt99:
So, this is after the same EFCC defended Bello that he is innocent.


I have seen this movie before and I know how it always ends.


Only Psychophants can be manipulated because they sold their head for a stomach.

When did they? You guys should stop spreading lies..... His lawyers are the ones trying to delay the case not EFCC. EFCC won't be wasting their time and spending resources if it is an already dead case. Don't forget that the accused and his lawyers will be doing everything outside the court to berry and kill this case.
Please provide me evidence or link where EFCC defended the accused.

Well, Great!
Couple of questions:
1. Did you build the frontend and the backend with AI?
2. did AI build the database for you or you are using third-party APIs?
3. Did AI do the testing for you?
4. Is the app in production now?
Answer these ones first, I have more questions

HacheNoire:
A day will come the told your ancestors, you took over from them. You will go also, and pass it on to kids.

Wake up! No day is coming! It’s brainwashing. Put your religion aside and apply logic and reasoning. Does it make sense!

The Gods of Indians are from India. That of Saudi is from Saudi. That of Europe is from Europe! Can’t you see they all have European names!

But mentally conquered Africas believe theirs is from Middle-East! Critically ask yourself questions that matter. You will find the truth. You were brainwashed to be conquered.

1 Cor 15 vs 12 -26 :

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

HacheNoire:
Is the foolishness of your likes that amazes me!

Let’s keep waiting till the day your Jesus will come and you will ascend into the sky with me.

Their is no greater stupidity and foolishness on Earth believing that fiction and intentionally passing it on to kids.

1 Cor 15 vs 12 -26 :

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

EBEk101:
Sanctioning Russia or seizing their assets like the crackdown on shadow fleet activities like the Bella 1 seizure will only make Putin pound Ukraine even more harder, that man wey stubborn pass wetin I no know

Although, I feel Russia’s military spending is crowding out domestic investment, leading to inflation and reduced public services which might force the people of Russia to revolt against Putin. that could be their aim to force Putin into ending the war but I doubt that.

That also means sending more and more military aid to ukraine. I mean more sophisticated and dangerous weapons. Weapons that could penetrate deep inside Russia without Ukraine modification. Deep precision weapons

LEXYLOV:
NO. THEY ARE NOT SIR. Cameroon is part of Central Africa Region.

Arguments for West Africa:
Geographic Proximity: [/b]It shares a long border with Nigeria and has a significant Atlantic coastline on the Gulf of Guinea, placing it physically near West Africa.

[b]Cultural Influences: Its history and culture show strong ties and influences from its Western neighbors, especially Nigeria.

"West-Central" Classification: Many sources identify it as being at the interface or junction of West and Central Africa.

Arguments for Central Africa:
Political Affiliation: Cameroon is a key member of the Central African Economic and Monetary Community (CEMAC), a major regional bloc, rather than ECOWAS (West Africa).

Internal Division: Some even see its Anglophone regions as culturally West African and its Francophone regions as Central African.

femi4:
Cameroon isn't in West Africa...not even part of Ecowas

Cameroon is fully West African! Please verify

micckdavis:
I'm trying to figure out whether it makes more sense to build a proper MVP app or start with a no-code solution when validating a new idea. I see a lot of mixed opinions on this, and most advice seems very situational.

For those who've actually gone through this decision, how did you weigh factors like development time, cost, flexibility, and long-term scalability? Did starting with no-code help you move faster, or did it create limitations later? On the other hand, was building an MVP from scratch worth the extra effort early on?

Would really like to hear real experiences of what worked, what didn't, and what you'd do differently next time.

Thanks in advance!

I am on three startups right now! A co-founder in two of them and helping one! I built the MVPs and it has been tremendous when talking with investors and product owners and even end-users. Though in my case i am already a fullstack doing all the work of UI/UX, frontend, backend ,mobile,etc. Please run away from that no-code solution. Look for a tech co-founder if you are not strong enough with building it yourself! Pay him or her or them. Where that is not possible offer percentage ownership! you are solving future problems doing these things right now.
Do the MVP technical documentation, business plan, API specification sheet,etc. It is really worth the effort, you will learn a lot

Ezeama400:
So you are in your enclave telling people how they should practice their own Christianity In order to be seen as true followers of Christ right ?. Who are you to tell people how they should worship God ?
So It’s no more about population of Christians in the East and west, it’s now how Christianity is practiced ?

If I start condemning how you are practicing Christianity, just know that I will start with Remi Tinubu who who gets yoked with an unbeliever in the name of marriage

Don’t be a clown..

Like I have said, when it comes to Christianity in Nigeria, give it to Igbos because they are the only majority tribe in Nigeria with a monolithic religion..
And again, stop telling me that you have pastors, knowing fully well that Igbos that practice Pentecostalism are still large stakeholders in your church..

Another reasons you should not use pastors is because Majority of Igbos are Catholic, but I didn’t want to to use number of Catholic priests in Nigeria to make analysis like you used pastors, because Igbos Catholic priests would be on top.. Infact, Catholic priests in Imo state alone will dwarf all other priests across the country..

Stop the blind argument..

Bye !

Your spitted rubbish no meaningful argument! You talked about practicing christians and i gave analysis! Give me your scriptural standpoint what is the base of our fact
Who are you to tell people how they should worship God ?
A true believer worship God according scriptural standards not human or traditional standards!!
You can't serve God and mammon but my Igbo brothers won't mind doing that even when going to church. Psalm 16 vs 4 says ' The sorrows of those who run after another god shall multiply' but many Igbo christians and acclaimed priests don't mind that, they claim it is their tradition handed over to them by their forefathers. I am not judging by my standard or ideology but by what is written in scriptures.

knowing fully well that Igbos that practice Pentecostalism are still large stakeholders in your church..
And how the Igbos are large stakeholders in Nigerian pentecostals still surprise me! Prove it and I will counter prove it. I have enough fact at my disposal! Pentecostalism,Evangelism,spread across Nigeria and Africa largely by the yorubas

Catholic priests in Imo state alone will dwarf all other priests across the country..
Is it those priest that still dine and wine with idols and masquerades Priests that don't know scripture!priests that don't know christ!!!

The overall thing i want you to take away is 'stop making careless tribal remarks!' have enough fact to back your claim

TheNobleProphet:
All these fake servants of GOD should keep shut!

It's just unfortunate that many gullible people out there still believe them!

Na guilty conscience make am dey shalaye👌👌💯

So let me ask the foolish you who are the real men of God then
God used them to perform miracles, signs and wonders you claim it is fake! They reject money brought by politicians you scream it is forming so how else do you want them to prove to you again the power of God!
Jesus has this to tell you:“A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah." - Matthew 12:39

Ezeama400:
First of all, Half of Yorubas are Muslim, the remaining half are between Christians and few traditionalists..

Maybe Pastor Adeboye’s Redeem crusade on Tv is deceiving you online..

If you want to see a block Christian population, go to Eastern region .

Igbos are the only ethnic group with monolithic religion which is Christianity

You guys tell lies and spread fake news too much!!! may God have mercy on you! The large percentage of faith practicing Christians are South Western People! while Easterners are mostly church but goers rooted and grounded in traditions and idol worship! The reason you will see masquerades and a catholic priests in the same gathering. Idol worship is very prevalent among the Igbos! They are largely Catholics and Anglicans and mostly combine that with their idol worship! So by percentage of the word 'christians' we have 98% of igbos compared to about 83% of Yorubas but never confuse that with believer in christ! Just look at the top men of God over time in Nigeria and the rising ones now
Also look at the move of God across Africa and the Globe! Apostle Arome had to acknowledge that fact!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry7OTkqzUVE

Goal! Declan Rice. Arsenal 3 - 1

HacheNoire:
Saddam and Ghaddaffi had weapon of mass destruction too.

Even the late Mandela was a terrorist.

The fact that people like you fall for the same script amazes me. They replay it right infront you, and still will do, and you still will fall for it!

You still don’t know in 2026 that, the US demonizes there targets with the media to justify their atrocities!

Let me agree with you that it is war on drugs. Is Venezuela in too 3 countries exporting drugs to the US?

Why not China? That’s the brainbox of Fentanyl. Why hasn’t China been invaded?

Remind me please, what recently happened to former Honduras President Juan Orlando Hernández who was CONVICTED of trafficking drugs to the US?

You see, it’s not that you don’t know the truth, you just happen to have been mentally conquered and psychologically extorted. Your mind and reasoning is not yours but owned by what conquered you.

And you think you are the right one here China Government unlike Venezuela's,was not involved in trafficking drugs to the US. Both the U.S. and China have engaged in various levels of counternarcotics cooperation, with recent high-level agreements in November 2023 aiming to enhance information sharing and enforcement. The U.S. Department of Justice and Treasury have also indicted and sanctioned numerous China-based companies and individuals involved in the fentanyl supply chain.

Venezuela maduro is not innocent either. apart from engaging in drug activities, he has consistently rigged elections and refused to step down. he set back democracy in venezuela and i cant pity him. USA is the nemesis of dictators that have refused to allow their citizens prosper.
If you are a good leader your country would rally behind you and fight to the end. The primary problem usa has with maduro is his engagement in drugs that are killing americans, if it was about the oil, maduro has consistently begged america to come on board and take the oil. i have seen videos of him begging trump to have dialogue with him and he would allow american companies participate in Venezuela's oil. But the issue here is that maduro was enthroned into power by drug cartels for them to have a free hand in smuggling drugs to the usa, unfortunately that is something Trump can not tolerate and he shouldn't because he is a patriotic leader

So you saying ones mind and thought has been conquered is a reflection of your own distorted fact herds opinions and emotions.
If you want to destroy the future of a nation or a people give the youth and teens drugs the they lose their mental asset. Why do you think some countries sign automatic death penalty for drug trafficking? Why is that you hardly hear of drug trafficking in countries like Norway,Sweden,etc. Then check countries having issues with drugs how are they fairing? Please do your research well before throwing fact around!

Nazgul:
Lol. If you still believe that writing a 10,000 word code manually from scratch (like the one in his attachment) in this day and age is the best way to build anything...It’s either you don’t fully grasp how software engineering has evolved…or you seriously underestimate what today’s AI tools can do.

The actual skill isn’t proving to everyone that you can suffer so they can applaud you for the number of hours or days you spent building a wonderful project. It’s about knowing how to combine your technical understanding with AI efficiency so you can build smarter, faster, and cleaner.

Spending days typing out what an AI can handle in minutes doesn’t make you a better programmer. It just shows how you’re refusing to upgrade your toolkit while the rest of the industry has moved on.

You ought to put points in proper perspective here. True we don't need to write all from scratch again but i believe he is trying to say that having details of the fundamentals in important. Because of the believe in AI perfection, many sudden software developers, deveOps, etc. will rise leading bug-filled software products and increasing cyber attacks, many of which are going to be successful. Too much abstraction is hiding fundamental knowledge needed to be creative and this act has crawled creativity in this part of the world.
I am not against AI i use it too but i control it a lot. We should be talking about building our own AI platforms building our systems,etc., not always consuming end products.
So sad we are lost in the simplicity that abstraction has brought us claiming it hides complexity but originally hides and impairs creativity.Meanwhile complexity itself is simplicity in its multiplied form.
China understood this, brokedown Western technology and created her own technology! China didn't invent anything.
We need mental revolution than the largely bloody revolution craved for.

jUeLiZ:
were you following the build up... Russia and China were actually backing Venezuela and Russia even sent military aids some months ago....

Russia has been attacking Ukraine for Years now, Xi is building up and he's on the verge of military operation to take over Taiwan...
So think of this, The US forces entered Venezuela and captured their president and his wife in less than 5 hours on a Friday night... This is a feat Putin can pull in any third world

You are ranting! he should have done so long time ago in Ukraine if he could but is attempt failed. He attempted to capture Zelenskyy earlier in the operation against Ukraine but failed. Venezula's president has cases to answer in the U.S .

themanderon:
I just don't support this action on Venezuela. But I know the end game. Get rid of maduro and install a puppet that will give full access to Venezuelan oil reserves to the us.
Unfortunately no one can stop Trump.

Not really! the guy committed lots of atrocities against the U.S. In fact he pleaded last year but the U.S didn't give listening ear

DenreleDave:
Can someone briefly explain to me why US is attacking Venezuela?
I'm sure it's it because of Oil as it is said that Venezuelan oil is hard to refine and cost too much

Before i give a reply understand that any social media comments are filled with sentiments,emotions and lies, not understanding the underlying issue in cases like this!
1. The Venezuelan government has become a "narco-state." Many drugs affecting young Americans today are being imported illegally from Venezuela which the illegal Government knows about and is directly involved! A lot evidence to back this. In fact The president of Venezuela actually pleaded to be allowed to leave with his cabinets without trial, which the US rejected.

2. Maduro committed gross electoral fraud in the 2024 elections which many countries and US confirmed. You can check fact up yourself

3.International bodies and the U.S. have documented systematic repression, extrajudicial killings, and the imprisonment of political rivals within Venezuela.

4. Contrary to claims that the US in interested in the country's oil, Venezuela's oil is pretty heavy crude which is hard to refine, so people don't really want to take it. US will rather buy refined petroleum products, like gasoline and jet fuel, from Nigeria's Dangote Refinery, than from Venezuela!
Many other crimes of the Venezuelan Government has led to the present crisis. For records it is not an invasion yet but airstrike
Now the Chinese is trying to come into the scene because she is happy about the fact that Venezuela is influencing young Americans negatively with drugs. China is luring young Americans with sex. The American Government knows all of these will weaken the future of America so taking drastic action is needed to remain a global power

1Alex:
this epistle will confuse the op more.

As How Explain

Kaczynski:
Whats all these gpt botted replies



Seun see what you has caused



Humans no longer comment coherently but now use botted replies from llm to do the thinking for them.

i was the first to reply the OP but stop thinking everyone is using LLM for replies!!!

Ivimmanuel:
Truly, No body knew Elrufi was a demon until the government he helped into power turned against. Would they bring up these allegations if he was in APC how did the Yahaya Bellos case with EFCC end? They'd want to push their delusion on everyone

That's not true sir! Find out yourself; he has been accused severally in the past of sponsoring killings of southern Kaduna Christians, Paying terrorist, and even murder. He had several issues in the past as a Governor! he made several inciting and provoking statement during elections in the past that made accusations against him virtually true. Even past president Buhari had to distance himself from him. He tries to work hard and please new administrations but his records are working against him. After fall out will ex-president Buhari he started attacking him and his administration. If you become the president tomorrow and had interest in him working under you, once his record comes on your table and the DSS you will not be able to approve him

MindHacker9009:
Team coordination is not something React invented or enables. It's Git that have solved that problem.

Version control is what allows 10 or more developers to:

Work on the same codebase safely

Review each other’s changes

Enforce conventions and architecture

Revert, bisect and audit behavior over time

That’s orchestration at the human level and it’s orthogonal to whether the code uses React or jQuery.

React doesn’t “formalize control so teams can work together”; it formalizes a particular runtime model. That model may be helpful, but it is not the same thing as enabling collaboration. Teams collaborated on large systems long before React existed, operating systems, databases, browsers, many of them written without frameworks like this.

The claim that “every handler, mutation, and side effect is your responsibility forever” isn’t a flaw of jQuery; it’s the reality of all software. React doesn’t remove responsibility, it relocates it into conventions, lifecycles and hidden scheduling rules. When those rules change or fail, responsibility doesn’t disappear; it just becomes harder to trace.

What React actually standardizes is not teamwork, but how complexity is expressed:

jQuery makes orchestration explicit and developer-owned

React makes orchestration implicit and framework-owned

So this isn’t about 10 developers inventing chaos versus React saving them.
It’s about whether coordination happens:

through version control, review and discipline (Git + explicit code), or

through a runtime abstraction that enforces patterns at execution time (React).

But collaboration comes from Git and process, not from React deciding when your code runs.

Nobody said React invented collaboration. Git handles[b] human coordination[/b] — agreed.

React addresses a different problem: software coordination at runtime.

Git can’t prevent two components from fighting over the DOM, duplicating side effects, or desynchronizing UI state. React can.

Saying “React just relocates responsibility” is true — and that’s the point.

It relocates it into shared, enforceable constraints [/b]instead of personal discipline.

Discipline doesn’t scale reliably; constraints do. That’s why large systems standardize behavior instead of trusting every dev to be careful.

Yes, complex systems existed before React.
They also required massive internal frameworks, strict conventions, and armies of reviewers.

React is that framework, packaged and reusable, instead of every team reinventing one with jQuery and good intentions.

[b]“Explicit orchestration” [/b]sounds nice until async data, partial renders, retries, caching, and concurrency show up.

At that point, either:
• you write a framework, or
• you use one.

[b]Pretending jQuery avoids that choice is just romanticizing manual control.

So the real distinction isn’t Git vs React.
It’s:

Implicit rules you discover by breaking things
vs
Explicit rules you learn up front.

jQuery favors freedom.
React favors predictability.

Neither is moral superiority — but only one survives scale consistently.

Git coordinates people.
Frameworks coordinate behavior.
Mixing the two is category error.

MindHacker9009:
Relying on modern frameworks often reflects a need to outsource orchestration, not an increase in programming skill. A strong programmer is a strong orchestrator, someone who understands control flow, state, and side effects directly. That’s why experienced developers can be effective with tools like jQuery: nothing is hidden, and nothing happens unless you explicitly design it to happen.

React2Shell illustrates the trade-off clearly. It is a serious security vulnerability in React Server Components that allows unauthenticated remote code execution (RCE) on vulnerable servers. This class of issue arises because React introduces server-side orchestration, serialization, and execution layers that developers do not fully control.

This simply cannot occur in jQuery itself, because jQuery does not execute on the server or introduce hidden runtime behavior. With jQuery, the orchestrator, the developer, decides exactly what runs, when it runs, and where it runs. The attack surface is limited by explicit design, not expanded by abstraction.

The distinction isn’t about old vs new tools. It’s about who owns the orchestration: The developer, or the framework.

This sounds deep, but it’s mixing control with manual labor.

A strong programmer isn’t the one doing everything by hand — it’s the one who knows what to delegate safely and what not to.
Writing your own orchestration doesn’t make you more skilled, it just makes you the framework.

“Nothing is hidden” in jQuery is true — and that’s exactly the problem.

Every handler, mutation, and side effect is now your responsibility forever.
React doesn’t remove control; it formalizes it so 10 developers don’t each invent their own orchestration style.

React2Shell is not proof that abstraction is bad — it’s proof that server-side rendering is hard.

If you build SSR manually with jQuery + Node, you’ve recreated the same attack surface, just without audits, CVEs, or coordinated patches.

Saying “jQuery can’t have this bug” [/i]is like saying [i]“my bicycle can’t crash at 120km/h”. True, but irrelevant.

“The developer decides exactly what runs”

That only works while the app is small.
Once async data, caching, streaming, retries, and partial renders enter the chat, someone must orchestrate — either React or your future self at 2am.
So yes, orchestration matters.

But the real question is not who owns it, it’s whether it’s standardized or improvised.

jQuery gives freedom.
React gives constraints.

Experienced devs know constraints are what keep large systems sane.
Doing everything yourself doesn’t make you the orchestrator — it makes you the bottleneck.
Abstraction isn’t loss of control, it’s delayed chaos prevention.

MindHacker9009:
1. Not all React complexity is state complexity

Yes, some bugs originate from state, but many of the “React wahala” issues I mentioned are framework-induced, not just state mismanagement. Examples:

Hydration mismatches in SSR

Strict Mode double-invocation surprises

Scheduler and concurrent rendering edge cases

These are not things a developer can fully control, yet they create bugs that don’t exist in jQuery simply because jQuery doesn’t abstract rendering. This is different from “complex state”, it’s complex runtime behavior baked into React itself.

2. Predictability vs. simplicity

You argue React centralizes complexity, which is true for maintainability. But that centralization introduces a single point of failure: when React behaves unexpectedly, you often cannot inspect or patch the internals directly. In jQuery, each DOM mutation is visible and traceable, it may be messy, but a developer can see and fix it immediately. React trades direct control for structure.

3. Manual vs automatic analogy nuance

The “manual gearbox breaks less” analogy actually fits jQuery better in small apps: fewer abstractions, fewer hidden layers, predictable direct behavior. React is like an automatic gearbox, you get smoother operation and fewer errors at scale, but when it breaks, the fix can require deep understanding of the system. That’s exactly the trade-off: predictable but opaque vs. transparent but scattered.

4. Scaling isn’t just about team size

I agree that jQuery apps get unmanageable at scale, but the claim that React is inherently easier at scale assumes perfect adherence to patterns. In reality, large teams still encounter subtle React bugs that are not trivial, hooks misuse, async race conditions, hydration mismatches, which are easier to overlook than scattered jQuery issues because they appear under specific conditions.

5. Early complexity vs deferred complexity

React exposes complexity early, yes. But some of that complexity is framework-internal, not just developer-managed state. jQuery hides complexity until it explodes in subtle side effects. So the difference is not just “manual vs structured,” it’s also visible control vs. opaque orchestration.

6. Security Issue in React vs jQuery
A great recent example of this is CVE‑2025‑55182, nicknamed “React2Shell”, a critical security vulnerability in React Server Components that allows unauthenticated remote code execution (RCE) on vulnerable servers. This means an attacker can send a malicious request and run arbitrary code on the server without any user authentication or developer missteps.

This bug exists in the core React library, specifically in how React Server Components deserializes incoming payloads, not because someone wrote a bad hook or forgot a dependency. Even a perfectly written app using these features could be vulnerable if the library itself is flawed.

The flaw scored 10.0 (maximum severity) on the CVSS scale. It was actively being exploited in the wild and affected a huge slice of cloud apps using React Server Components and related frameworks.

True, jQuery apps can get messy and incur bugs caused by manual DOM state and event handlers. But those bugs are about developer poor practice, not insecure behavior baked into the library itself. A critical RCE in the framework is not something a developer caused and it undermines the idea that React’s abstraction always buys safety at scale.

All the new front-end frameworks are used by developers to create on-going work for themselves, which the end user does not need, instead of just focusing on delivering what the user wants on time using jQuery

Yes, some React issues are framework-induced (SSR hydration, StrictMode, concurrency). That’s the cost of building apps that render across server, client, streaming, caching, and async boundaries.

jQuery doesn’t have those bugs because jQuery doesn’t even attempt those problems. That’s not superiority — that’s a smaller problem space.
On “visible control vs opaque orchestration”:
jQuery feels transparent because[b] you are the orchestrator.[/b]
React feels opaque because the framework is doing coordination you’d otherwise write (badly) yourself.

Experienced devs know that “I can see everything” often just means “everything can break everything”.

The security example actually proves the opposite of your point.

When a framework vulnerability happens, it gets audited, patched, versioned, and rolled out.
In jQuery-heavy apps, security issues are usually custom, silent, and unreviewed, because everyone rolled their own patterns.

No abstraction = no shared safety net either.

And this idea that “frameworks exist to create work” is nostalgia talking.
Users now expect offline support, fast navigation, realtime updates, accessibility, and consistent state across screens.

You can build that with jQuery — but let’s not pretend it’s faster or safer past a certain point. That’s vibes, not evidence.

jQuery optimizes for developer control.
React optimizes for[b] application correctness over time.[/b]
If your apps stay small, jQuery wins.
If they grow, React exists for a reason.

Pretending one should replace the other is just choosing tools by ideology.

MindHacker9009:
It’s easier to repair a manual car’s gearbox and clutch than an automatic transmission.

With React: React bugs can be very hard to track.
1. Stale state & closures (very common)
2. Effect dependency bugs
3. Re-render performance bugs
4. Key-related rendering bugs
5. Async race conditions
6. Strict Mode double-invocation

jQuery is for more experienced developers who are not scared of using jQuery and vanilla JS on the front-end which allowed us to develop very complex applications faster.

Every bug you listed is state complexity, not “React wahala”.

Those same bugs exist in jQuery — you just debug them silently with console.log and prayer.

Saying jQuery is for “more experienced devs” because it hides nothing is like saying assembly is for elites.
It’s not elite, it’s just more manual.
Yes, manual gearbox is easier to repair — because it breaks less expectations.

But when automatic fails, you fix one system.
With jQuery, bugs scatter across handlers, DOM state, and side effects.

React centralizes complexity. jQuery distributes it everywhere.
“We built complex apps faster with jQuery” — back when apps were smaller, teams were smaller, and expectations were lower.

Try maintaining that same jQuery app with 10 devs for 3 years.
That’s when the real wahala starts.

Every React “bug” you listed is documented and predictable.

jQuery bugs are undocumented side effects from DOM mutations and event soup.

One is hard but structured. The other is easy until it’s not.

jQuery feels simple because it postpones complexity.
React feels complex because it exposes it early.

Experienced devs know the difference.

MindHacker9009:
Instead it should be what applications can you build with React that you cannot build with jQuery.

jQuery is like a manual car while React is like an automatic car. With a manual car you understand how to use the clutch and gears but with an automatic car you just drive without knowing how to use the clutch and gears.
But with web development unlike cars, using a tool like React is just unnecessary complexity that does not benefit the project and users as it takes longer to develop and to debug complex applications.

Your analogy already answers you.

Manual car ≠ better car.
It just means more work for the driver.

React exists so teams don’t manage clutch, gears and engine by hand while building large apps.
If your “app” never leave first gear, jQuery is enough. Simple.

Nobody said React builds impossible apps.

You can also build Facebook with jQuery the same way you can build a house with a spoon.

The question is maintainability, scale and team sanity — not “can it work at all”
[b]“Unnecessary complexity” [/b]only applies when the problem is small.

Once state, routing, async data and teams enter the chat, jQuery turns to wahala.

React didn’t appear because devs were bored.
Saying React adds no benefit just tells me you’ve never maintained a large frontend codebase.

Writing everything manually doesn’t make you smarter — it just makes bugs harder to track.
You can drive manual all your life — doesn’t mean automatic is useless.

It just means your journey never long.