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It will happen within 50 years.

The only problem is that the world is so technologically advanced that people don't even need slaves anymore... Africans may find themselves conscripted into the armies of Europe and China, the cannon fodder of world war 3.

salawustyles:
By now,everybody should have known that weapons dont win wars,saudi arabia is one of the world lagest importers of weapons and yet since the start of the war against houthi rebels,saudi has lost over 2000 soldiers,israel which is one of the largest producers of weapons was chased out of lebanon by rag tag second tier hizbullah rebels,the largest coalition ever in history fought talibans for fourteen years with the most sophisticated weapons and yet they are all running away now and taliban is still as strong as before,south africans are the largest african producers of weapons and yet they havent stopped poachers,drug pedlers and hired assasins from entering and exiting thier boaders anyhow they like,
an army of ten thousand people with stones and sticks but courage and experience will defeat an army of fifty thousand soldiers with the most sophisticated weapons but without courage and experience.
An israeli general once said the reason why they fear palestinians is that the palestinians are ready to fight to death,while the israeli professional soldiers with sophisticated weapons are cowards when it come to death.
If you had watched black hawk down,you will know what the americans experienced in somalia and you will know what i am saying.

The somalis lost tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians just to kill a handful of Americans, pretty bad example.

The only thing that stops the U.S from wiping a place like Afghanistan off the face of the earth via sub-nuclear weapons is ethics/morality. Take away the public eye and Isreal could (and would) kill the entire population of Palestine within 3 days.

Black people need to stop celebrating mediocrity. Courage is worthless (among the poor and backwards) in 2015, the world runs on intelligence and technology.

itstpia8:
you probably mean that literally.

No. I just said that because that is what nairalanders always say

End times husband.

I had to say it

RandomAfricanAm:
I knew this was pleep as soon as I saw the title of the thread.

Give it up pleep you've been on the same stuff for 3-4 years now. You had the same argument between your self and physicsPHD 3-4 years ago. except it was concerning Jews. You've rehashed the same topic countless times now. Matter of fact I just replied to one of your nonsense topics a couple months ago dealing with the same thing( https://www.nairaland.com/2233409/black-race-iq-intelligence-eugenics ) .....It's getting old.

If you have personal demons because someone "lied to you" about African history or what ever it was you said had happened to you, then deal with that. If you need assistance in dealing with it at least be upfront about the fact so everyone knows what the deal is.

I feel like I'm the only one who remembers pleeps issues.

This is a dialectic discussion, I can already tell you are not the type of person who meets the IQ threshold to contribute.

So just because she has natural hair she should be able to relate to "broke biches", are you saying that looking like a natural black person means you are low class?

Black people are the stupidest race on planet earth.

johnydon22:
Lol maybe you could go hit your head on the wall for a while to help relieve you of your stress since you are Einstein... Empty pots make the loudest noise you know

If capable of nothing else, at least Nigerians are funny.

johnydon22:
Hahahaha quite abusive and angry ... Kudos Genius... have fun

I'm sick of low IQ fucking black people... enough of this sht.

johnydon22:
So ability to build nuclear weapons to you makes them any better?

it makes them even more horrifying and terrifyingly dangerous and threat to the survival of this planet..

Check what you regard positive achievements again because nuclear warheads is not one of them

Listen retard. Being able to create nuclear weapons means you have scientists capable of enriching uranium.

Spiting the atom was one of the most complex and difficult achievements known to man kind. The fact that this technology was used in a bomb is irrelevant, i'm praising the achievement solely for its intellectual significance.

Learn to think outside the box you 70 IQ sack of sht.

UIA04:
I dont need to argue with you

You seem really angry today
Have you poopooed today it clears the system

You don't need to argue with me because you know i'm right. Keep wasting your money on Cellphones made in China and surfing the internet made in America pretending this is development. Keep giving your money to other people while they laugh at you.

If there is a race of human stupider than blacks that race is extinct.

UIA04:
Seriously man
They cant even surf the net without being checked and cant speak against the government or make international calls and you call Nigeria suffering
You probably need to relocate to feel the brunt in other countries

This is all you stupid niggas care about, surfing the net and making phone calls?

The black race is so fucking hopeless, a bunch low IQ brain-dead consumers.

Look at this picture below. They build this by themselves, the engine, the rocket, the nuclear reactor everything. Nigeria cannot even build a damn generator on its own. Which is worse? the country that cannot even build a generator or the country that can build nuclear weapons while being sanctioned by 95% of the world?


I would replace the Nigerian government with Kim-Yong Ching-Chong-whateverthefuck his name is any day of the week

Dollyak:
Nigeria is more than a decade behind Egypt

so? we should spend 10 billion dollars more to catch up?

meanwhile Nigeria doesn't even have 24/7 electricity?

See how the west has brainwashed dumb Africans into wasting their money on this nonsense.

next make a list of the number one arms sellers:

1. USA.
2. Russia
3. China

.....selling military equipment to dumb Africans who will never even use it. What does Angola need 4 billion a year in military spending for? fucking idiots

tobimillar:
We shouldn't celebrate this murderer. Yes I admit africa need tough totalitarian but is africa matured for it ? No.
We have had idi amin, sani abacha, Mugabe , etc and did they succeed? No. With the exception of Ghadaffi of Libya, totalitarians in Africa are selfish and undisciplined.

Lemme ask you, which will you choose for holiday, N.Korea or S Korea? China or Japan? US or Russia?
Totalitarianism is ONLY good when the leader has a good heart and trust me they hardly do

African people are nurtured for it, more so than any other people on earth. The problem rests solely on the leaders themselves. The average IQ of Africa is 70, leaders are typically only 1 or 1.5 standard deviations from the average.

So the African authoritarian leaders where around 85 to 90 IQ, not nearly enough to run a modern economy. Look at the IQ of the Nazi leadership http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/meetthedefendants.html 120-130

The leadership of the Japanese facists was probably in the stratosphere, same with the soviets and the Chinese.

High IQ authoritarian governments work... providing rapid development while less intelligent ones abuse their power. One of the key things the IQ test measures is ability to delay gratification, future facing orientation vs present orientation and level of separation from base desires. All of these things are associated with ones level of abstract reasoning.

So when you look at an African despot like Mubutu you see that his main problem was low IQ; greed, shortsightedness and failure where just the result of the low IQ not the result of the authoritarian structure of his government.

Freemanan:
Democracy is for the matured and developed nations.

Africa will get there someday but not yet....

Socialism that us followed with Fascism is the only way Africa can move. Julius Nyerere tried it but his people were too naive to nurture it....

Pity.

Democracy does not work in ethnically, linguistically and religiously diverse nations with a history of animosity. The only way to administer Africa is through some sort of enlightened despotism.

You mentioned Catherine the Great. Peter the great, Frederick the great and Napoleon are other great examples of the types of leaders Africa needs. I also think leaders like Hitler follow in this tradition of iron-fisted rule for the good of the people.

imhotep:
Can you even define intelligence properly?
You will probably reduce intelligence to the ability to function in a workshop.

This thread is not the place for you, go to the other thread.

This is the last response i'm giving you here.

^ This thread is for high IQ people only, i'm not going back and forth with you here. You can ask all of this on one of my other threads

DuchessLily:
Hmmmm.... What a country! Modern day slaves

Too much of anything is bad

Who are more modern day slaves than Africans?

Freemanan:
Its quite evident to the few who follow history....

North Korea is more developed infrastructurally than any African nation. And all thinks to the autocratic Kim dynasty. They helped build a nation from the dust and weed Japan left them...

The Strength of Russia today is as a result of the dealing of Autocratic Tsars, case in point -,Catherine The Great. She was fierce and swift with her policies but they were the ones that gave Russia a place in the round table of World powers.

The place of Germany Before the world war was the very top of nations.... And all thanks to Hitler.

China became a nation to be Jealous of after Various autocratic Emperors helped shape her history and made landmark reorientation via the suspension of human rights.


SUMMARY
I am not an advocate of Totalitarianism but it has helped most nations who now practice democracy to get where they are now. North Korea too will depose the Kim dynasty one day but they will be grateful for all they have done if proper and objective reflection is done.

Thank you. Finally someone with a brain on this website.

Africa needs some one like Hitler, instead of following this blind stupid democracy that will never work in Africa.

UIA04:
Cant america or the UN do something about this or because they have something to gain only in the middle east that they send troops there when people are suffering in north korea

People are suffering more in Nigeria. Why are you taking tramadol for their headache?

Should America send troops to Nigeria?

johnydon22:
Disgusting and sad... human rights have been crucified and buried here

Looks better than Nigeria. They can build nuclear weapons while Nigeria cant even keep 24 hour electricity.
Whats more disgusting?

Stillfire:
@pleep


No I don't believe it is impossible to have variations in human IQ. Reason - From my little knowledge of biology, our genes code for many proteins, that leads to many different phenotype; genes splice themselves differently at times, undergo mutations or deletions so it makes sense to say that the genes that code for IQ can also undergo variations and mutations. For some mutations we don't see any noticeable change in phenotype, but in some we see these changes. Phenotype- is the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.



Yes I acknowledge it can vary between races from my point 1. From the definition of phenotype we see that there is an interaction between our genes and environment. The races are localized in different geographical locations. And we tend to adapt to whatever challenges the environment throws back at us. Now do not limit environment to geography, climate change, etc but also include the races approach to social norms, reception to knowledge- finding this knowledge and reception to change. Now I would make an assumption that this other environmental factors which interact with the genetic codes over the years have framed how the IQ are arranged. From what we garner from biology, the continuous demand the environment places on us, positions our genes to rearrange themselves to that circumstance. With that I can make an assumption that certain races prioritized on different things and the thirst for knowledge may just be what certain races prioritized on. There is a theory out there that says it's easier to use Chinese, Japanese, Korean languages with understanding maths. So these external factors may work in favor of certain genes thereby increasing the viability of genes that code for IQ in these populations.



Only from a sentimental point of view am I averse to eugenics. The idea of eugenics is rational but I don't believe I have such moral rights to pursue such a cause. I think you have already provided a solution. Africa needs to retain its best to develop.

I respect your opinion on eugenics, it can be a tough pill to swallow. I still have to ask you though; can you identify what specific element of Eugenics you feel is morally wrong?

Do you feel like it is wrong to ask certain people to make sacrifices for the greater good?

Isn't it the responsibility of all of us living today to create a better future for future generations? If so, why would you feel that its immoral to perform the action that will provide the best possible benefit to your people and solve most of Africas problems? There is a sense of urgency, this current path Africa is on will lead to great suffering and no black person anywhere on the planet will be able to turn a blind eye to it. The world is growing tired of black people, even as we speak millions of low IQ Africans are spilling out of the continent and awakening the spirit of racism everywhere they go.

How long do you think this will continue before the world says enough and leaves these black people do die? As I mentioned, human behavior moves like a pendulum. Multiculturalism is currently in vogue but this will not last forever. Racism and nationalism will return to the western mainstream and when that happens black people will die:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGSBHqRDuw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmqOlxNQABI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWrGSndkf6U

Where is the honor, the humanity in this? Africans are breeding like rats and being treated like rats, we are loosing our human dignity. Within 50 years race relations will be at 1940's levels, mark my words.

As the world runs shorter on natural resources we will see colonization 2.0. The technological gap between blacks and whites is greater now than it was when the British used Gatlin Guns on Zulu Warriors. Africa, and black people in general are screwed in every sense of the word. What we need is geniuses, and the real immorality is letting the low functioning breed black genius out of existence when we need it more than ever.

osystein:
Are you trolling or just being plane stuupid? What point do those images prove, that the country isn't like Japan or Finland? Should i post images before black rule or from non-black countries like Russia or Mexico?

I can even post images from anti-immigrant protest and attacks from Germany or Sweden.

The fact is SA is far less violent than it was 21 years ago, when it was 2nd in the world below only El Salvador.

https://media.economist.com/images/20090418/CFB287.gif

Join the discussion here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3w4e4j/the_decline_of_south_africa_post_apartheid_and/

You did it to yourself. Its not just in Nigeria either, women have turned the entire world against them. Too much selfishness

MorrowCaligari:
Ben Carson

Is I.Q a reliable measure of intelligence?

Ask that on my other thread.

nigerians are taking tramadol for america's headache meanwhile you haven't even finished with BOKO HARAM

PhysicsQED:
unless you are willing to literally stop people who do not meet your IQ cutoff mark from reproducing - and prevent the existence of the descendants of not just a few of them, but basically a huge portion of those on the left of the bell curve for the target population - then whatever eugenic program you carry out will likely have little effect. And if you were to do this, and carry out that extremely immoral sterilization program, you would not even get the results you seek until some generations down the line as the genetic history of the population won't have automatically changed the minute you sterilize the millions of people you plan on eliminating from the gene pool.

Feel free to take your time to respond in detail if you need to since I won't be back on the forum for several days.

I'm going to illustrate my understanding of what a successful IQ-development program would look like, lets use Namibia for example. This is a country that would be perfect for such a program, as would Swaziland, Lesotho and Equatorial Guinea.

Population: 3,000,000

Average IQ: 74

IQ- development, as I understand it, is not just about preventing dumb people from reproducing it is also about making sure that the best genes are passed down to the future. This involves no coercion; the majority of Africans live on two dollars a day and it would not be difficult to provide satisfactory compensation for everyone involved. The people in question are poor already, there is the added benefit of making their lives easier by alleviating the burden of large families on people who are already struggling.

Contraceptives like Depo-Provera and ValsaGel can provide safe long-term fertility reduction. These drugs are reversible.

The first step would be to increase the difficulty of primary and secondary education, creating an IQ ceiling of around 100 for graduating high school. Students who do not meet this mark will be steered towards vocational education. Thus, the value of a high school degree will carry the weight that a college degree does currently, saving citizens of average intelligence the financial burden of paying for useless university degrees while creating a vast unskilled and semi-skilled workforce.

The students who are qualified for university, fall into 2 brackets: IQ of 115+ and IQ of 134 +. Students who score above 134 are a nations most valuable resource. These students should not be temped to leave the country, to this end they will payed a stipend and educated for free. In a country like Namibia, home to uranium deposits and vast mineral wealth, university education should be in subjects like; Nuclear/Electrical/Petroleum Engineering, Geology and Chemistry. (These are the types of skills Africa needs to exploit her natural resources, humanities should be taught in secondary school, or learned at home.) According to ghetto-statistics, the number of people qualified to attend the top-tier college should be (guesstimating) 1/10,000. 300 in the entire population of 3,000,000. The males will be payed $50 each to donate sperm to a sperm bank.

People like this are less than 1/10,000,000 these genetics are worth their weight in gold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD4X7a0J_ng

On the other end of the bell-curve, the bottom 16 percent, (480,000 people in a population of 3 million) will be categorized as low functioning. These people are around 59 IQ and below. People at 59 IQ are able to do simple menial tasks, people below 50 are unemployable and need government help to have a realistic role in a modern economy. These are the Boko Haram. If they are not taken under the wing of the government they will tear down the society. The men in this category will be given the option to, for compensation, revive a ten year birth control injection called Valsagel that can be reversed at any time. These men will also be given a job and a place to live. The women will be given the option of artificial insemination by the sperm of the 130+ men who donated at the university.

The prospect of smarter children gives the low IQ woman an option for social mobility. These children can graduate high school, maybe even go to college and lift their entire family out of poverty. The average IQ of these children will be a full standard deviation greater than the current mean of 74. In several generations the average IQ of the nation that undergoes an IQ-development program will rise to first world levels.

absoluteSuccess:
history is a book of thousand pages, if there is a Hebrew page, open it,if there is Greek page, open it.

Only a fool claims the world has always been on a page 1. since history.

op, advance your historical arguments and let's it be established.

A conny way to escape being exposed as a challatant is to create a division and show that you are more well meaning than others with different angles.

How does what you believe add to general knowledge by a bit? whatever point you were trying to make here you could have said it in about 2 sentences.

Your science is article of no intellectual importance, it doesn't solve any problem but just to excite you.

You can keep hammering on intellectual, intelligence, IQ, you can never wander far from there in a thousand years.

Those are your most valuable worlds.

Whatever point you were trying to make here could have been stated, more clearly, in about 2 sentences.

If you want to see my arguments they are here: https://www.nairaland.com/2783928/intellectual-discussion-black-people-lower

I'm not going to argue with you people anymore because I don't think you are intelligent enough to make reasonable points. All you people know how to do is puff hot air, as your post here reiterates.

Privatization is nothing more than African suicide; colonialism 2.0

The problem is that, without it, Africa will not develop on her own. The average IQ of Nigeria is like 69 which is one point lower than mental retardation in the west. Whether or not this is due to environmental factors or heredity is irrelevant because low IQ begets poverty and poverty begets low IQ. Its a cycle that cannot be broken except by outside factors.

The real problem with this is not the average IQ itself but the implications of it being so low. IQ follows a bellcurve distribution so if the average is 69 (15 standard deviation), 3 standard deviations is 114(1/1000) and 4SD's is 129 (1/10,000).

To put it in context, the average IQ of an engineering grad in the U.S is 123. Less than 1 in around 5000 Africans (living in Africa) are able to score this number.

So when we have a state owned company like NEPA, comprised of people who would not have even been able to graduate Engineering college in the United States the result is a disaster. A disaster compounded by the fact that the 'solution' privatization begets poverty and poverty begets more low IQ continuing the cycle.

Its a truly horrendous predicament, which is why my mind has turned to rather extreme solutions.

PhysicsQED:
2. Pleep, you are probably aware that there is an idea that has been brought up repeatedly in the IQ debate, originating from statistics, called regression to the mean, which is emphasized especially by some of those who promote these same IQ claims you have repeated on the forum. The idea basically implies that there is no practical way to substantially raise the IQ of large populations through "positive" eugenics (selective breeding of smart people) alone, since, according to this idea high IQ parents will usually have children who are less intelligent than their (high IQ) parents while low IQ parents will have children who are more intelligent than their (low IQ) parents, essentially leading to a population with an average IQ that was little different from whatever average the population started with. Now if one removes the low IQ parents as a factor (through whatever means - I get the impression from your posts that you actually want to sterilize low IQ people, which I consider extremely unethical, as you probably already know) then one will only have average IQ and high IQ people, but the implication of the regression to the mean idea, if it is actually completely true (and not just uncertain theory), is that the gain in average IQ of the population will never be substantial at all unless one removes an enormous amount - perhaps the entirety - of the below average to low IQ population so that the value of the average IQ of the population is boosted significantly. If that were done - and only if that were done - over time (and we don't know how long a period of time, but it could take several generations, and not by any means be an overnight improvement), the mean to which the children of two high IQ parents (or one high IQ + one average IQ) would eventually regress may actually be significantly higher than it originally would have been. According to this theory, 1) if you hitch two ~130 IQ people together, and they have a child and this child's IQ regresses towards the mean (setting the mean = 100), yielding an IQ of ~115 by the time he or she is mature, and 2) at the same time this is happening, two ~70 IQ people hook up, have a child, and this child's IQ regresses toward the mean, yielding an IQ of ~85 by maturity, and 3) all the average IQ people in the population are hooking up and mostly giving birth to average IQ children, with some bright ones and some not-so-bright ones here and there, as expected, then:

You've done nothing to improve the average IQ of the population. It's pretty much guaranteed to be the same.

Believe it or not, I don't read those HBT blogs, they are complete idiots. A bunch of insecure white boys, one standard deviation away from the trailer park, creating hare-brained theories filled with bias and rigid nonsensical correlations. I think the Regression to the Mean Theory is a good example of their binary reasoning.

Basically, the only way to make sense of that idea is by assuming that the races are difference species (which is incorrect) and that every person in a particular race has a predetermined IQ bell curve. This means that any black person who ends up smart is still a carrier of the same genes that make a dumb black person dumb. This is not how heredity works. In fact the only way this theory would hold out is if people in a population was selecting sexual partners at random. That is, if a man with an IQ of 140 is just as likely to mate with a woman with an IQ of 60 as he is to mate with someone around his own intelligence. This is not the case, but if it was then yes, regression to the mean would occur.

To take it a step further: The standard deviation of the population would decrease and over time everyone would be pulled to the average IQ.

The reality is that high IQ women typically mate with high IQ men. When this occurs the result is, in effect, a separate population that regresses to its own mean. If you combine the two populations and look the distribution on a bell curve, you would see a higher standard deviation and longer tails when compared to the theoretical population that reproduces at random. Personally, I believe that if this goes on for long enough human IQ will no longer follow a Gaussian distribution and start to become something akin to HG Wells novel "The Time Machine."

The very existence of human IQ variance between races implicitly suggests that natural Eugenic factors were at work in certain populations, but not in others. Animal domestication proves this also. Selecting for certain traits increases the frequency of those traits; basic heredity. The Regression to the Mean Theory as an argument against eugenics is nonsense.

PhysicsQED:
And if you were to do this, and carry out that extremely immoral sterilization program, you would not even get the results you seek until some generations down the line as the genetic history of the population won't have automatically changed the minute you sterilize the millions of people you plan on eliminating from the gene pool.

There is no one who can provide a reasonable argument as to why eugenics, as I propose it, is unethical without using the slippy slope fallacy, double-standards or inconsistent logic.

Human morality and worldview swings to extremes. Intellectuals are not free from the hive-mind and biases of their era, they are just better at rationalizing them. Right now modern society is in a backlash against racism and eugenics, this backlash is a response to the horrors of the Holocaust and Nazi Germany. However, just as Nazi racism was a blind and irrational worldview so is modern liberalism albeit in a different direction.

Why would it be unethical to sterilize a person like this? Why is modern society willing to condone the genetic decline of the human race and the tangible suffering of future generations? This blind biased view of ethnics is inevitable in a worldview that exists only as a backlash to another. We see the same trend in other liberal worldviews like feminism which overcompensate in their reaction to a past wrong.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KUW2vCPX7w

So now we have 2 retarded/poor black people who have created 15 retarded black people, who in total will probably create up to 75 retarded black people. Even if some of these offspring could have ended up normal, their environment and upbringing will stunt their IQ and they will still carry those negative genes which manifested as stupidity in their parents. This mass of slow people will create untold suffering in the world and create economic burden on society, all which could have been prevented if that mother had been sterilized.

Ethical My Ass