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AAinEqGuinea:
I should have been a white supremacist instead, boy do they have things going right for them. I'm so terribly jealous

You go could become a black conservative, and actually focus on black self improvement instead of crying about white peoples racism all the time.

YourMain:
Dude, you can't starve your child because it's overweight. That's child abuse.

You are a mentally retarded brain-dead LovePeddler. I tried my hardest to explain simple logic to you but your stupid low IQ brain cannot comprehend anything.

Whatever, i tried.

PhysicsQED:
I do have two questions of my own that I would ask before I leave the board for a while. I'll answer your own questions when I come back. As I said earlier, I'll probably want to go with a different line of argument from anything I said in the first eugenics thread, since I wasn't really able to convince you of anything in that thread.

1. I recall a while ago you had a "final nail in the coffin" thread to try and prove that black people were inherently more aggressive because of a supposed connection between melanin and adrenaline. Now while I did not see anything you had posted at the time in that thread that really suggested that what you were claiming was correct, one thing I came across later (after the thread was already dead), which, while it was not about melanin or adrenaline, does seem generally related to your overall idea: I came across some information on research into ethnic differences in variants of the so-called "warrior gene" (https://scientiasalon./2014/07/31/the-extreme-warrior-gene-a-reality-check/), MAOA. Since engaging in any amateurish speculation about the significance of the MAOA gene itself (neither of us are biologists, if I recall) or its relationship to ethnicity would be pointless, I won't comment on it directly right now. One thing that occurred to me after looking at your recent posts is this: what if there are certain things you cannot change through eugenics? What if, after the huge eugenic program is carried out, you still have some behaviors or traits in the resulting higher IQ population that just do not go away, despite the increase in IQ? Some sort of permanent or persistent behavior that cannot be removed just by crude methods like selective breeding alone?

NB: I am not saying I admit that the majority of the significant problems that exist now (aggression, corruption, thuggery, etc.) among some black populations worldwide are actually solely or even mostly due to genetics or IQ, rather than environment/culture/history/poverty/etc. I am saying that if these problems among a population were in fact due to genetics and IQ, and you managed to modify the target population's genes and IQ over time through a eugenics program, but simply were not able to eliminate the prevalence of some undesirable gene or set of behaviors through your methods, what would you do then? If it all turns out to be a waste of time (and lives)?

First off, excellent points. It is so refreshing to interact with someone who actually has a brain on this forum. I'm going to answer this first part today and maybe get into the other points tm.

I'm almost certain that even if eugenics was successful and the average IQ of black people was raised there would still be significant behavioral differences between the black race and other races. The good news is that I believe that almost all of these things will be positive in that context (within a race of say 115 average IQ), even if they are detrimental in the present context (a race of 75 average IQ). In addition, most of the differences which are negative are simply side effects of low IQ.

In my heart I believe that black people are the best race on planet earth, objectively. This is why I have a unique sense of pride that is unaffected by any negative information which rationality forces me to accept. I have always likened black people to a genius with ADD or an unpolished diamond, remove the layer of dirt and the brilliance of the black race will shine through. There are certain non IQ related differences between blacks and non-blacks that are self evident, most notably of which is higher libido in both males and females. There is no intellectually honest person who will say that black libido is comparable to a population like Japan for example, where around 40% of young single people are not interested in sex or romance. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/06/22/national/social-issues/nearly-40-of-single-japanese-not-interested-in-romance-survey/ I don't believe this dichotomy is caused environment, culture or wealth (evidenced by a non-extant AIDS rate even in the poorest north Asian countries like Mongolia or N. Korea). No matter how high the IQ or prosperity of black people becomes, the libido will remain.

On a slightly related note, i'm sure you have noticed the almost pathological attraction many non-black women have for black men. I believe the attraction that these women have to men of African decent is fundamentally different than any other attraction from women to men. Unlike, for example, the Asian attraction to white men which is based largely on status, the attraction women have black men is more akin to a primal sexual instinct, very visual.

There is no other race where something like this occurs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNX9ky_5klk

Which takes me to another significant difference between blacks and non-blacks which is slightly related; black peoples understanding of race/ethnicity seems to be fundamentally different than other groups. Blacks see person first, appearance second, and the two don't seem to be as intertwined as in other groups. This might seem to contradict with the rampant tribalism and ethnic warfare that plagues Africa but perform this thought experiment to illustrate my point; Imagine a scenario, where religion, occultism and history are gone. Place an African child in a white European village and place a white child in a black African village. Within a few years i'm sure the white child would be doing quite fine among the Africans, once people grow accustomed to his unusual appearance his difference will be accepted and perhaps even appreciated. The black child in Europe, on the other hand, would not fare nearly as well and perhaps even worse if he was placed in Asia instead of Europe.

Native/Meso Americans also seemed (historically) to display a commensurate lack of aversion to the physically distinct outsider. This could be a manifestation of development stage if it is not based on heredity.

But anyway, we must remember that black people are violent, reactionary, (and for now poor and dumb) this makes ethnic conflict inevitable. Would a high IQ population of black people be capable of the extreme systematic annihilation of oppressed groups to prove racial superiority? I don't think so. But regardless, this is a very tentative theory I wouldn't bet on it either way.

Black people are also more creative, friendly, open and carefree, all of these things would reach their full positive potential in a higher IQ population. There is no realistic situation where raising the intelligence of a population would be a waste of time. At the very least, if blacks were smarter they would understand the futility of scapegoating all the races problems on outside forces.

PhysicsQED:
Though it may be hard to believe now, black Africans did build structures, some of which, even in the 19th century, the same Europeans (who did indeed have steamships, machine guns, telegraphy, etc.) found impressive. This comes through more clearly in written sources. Another thing that becomes more obvious when one reads more descriptions is that the surviving images we have of important buildings from historical African states are not really the best ones that would have conveyed how impressive these kingdoms were when they were thriving. Of course, that is mostly our (Africans') fault for not keeping a better record of things, but it is something to keep in mind when using the limited catalog of images we do have to try to get an idea of what those kingdoms built in the past.

As for African buildings being more sophisticated than is commonly assumed, I agree. However, In the scheme of things I don't see these buildings as an achievement, they are just examples of people making the most out of a bad environment.

We cannot hold the opinion that African Architecture was objectively good compared to other societies without first rejecting the Guns Germs and Steel theory. Do you reject that theory?

PhysicsQED:
Though it may be hard to believe now, black Africans did build structures, some of which, even in the 19th century, the same Europeans (who did indeed have steamships, machine guns, telegraphy, etc.) found impressive. This comes through more clearly in written sources. Another thing that becomes more obvious when one reads more descriptions is that the surviving images we have of important buildings from historical African states are not really the best ones that would have conveyed how impressive these kingdoms were when they were thriving. Of course, that is mostly our (Africans') fault for not keeping a better record of things, but it is something to keep in mind when using the limited catalog of images we do have to try to get an idea of what those kingdoms built in the past.

I know that black Africans built structures. However, referencing the fact that we did is a terrible way to argue against the suggestion that black people are unintelligent. The two issues are unrelated. If they were related, and if the quality of buildings historically built in an area were a measure of intelligence of its people the black race would be much stupider than even I believe. Buildings built in the west were infinitely superior objectively speaking.

The relative lack of sophistication in African architecture was the result of an environment not conducive to sophisticated building. Basically the "Guns Germs and Steel" argument; lack of the required types of stone/other materials and lack of 'civilizational' development caused by lack of surplus producing crops (cassava was not even introduced to the region until the 1600's).

Comparing historical African buildings to European buildings is like comparing apples to oranges. Kingston was retarded enough to make that comparison so i was forced to show him how stupid it was. This is why I have very little patience to talk to these types of people without insulting them.

PhysicsQED:
I don't have much time right now to discuss the general idea of this thread in great detail, but I probably will near the end of December or the beginning of January. Also, after reading most of the thread, I think if I did join the discussion we might just go over most of the same ground we did in that eugenics thread from before. I'll come back to the thread later with a different line of argument later though.

I cleaned up the discussion and moved it here: https://www.nairaland.com/2783928/intellectual-discussion-black-people-lower#40730617

After discussing this topic over several threads I have come to the conclusion that nothing productive has been accomplished, and no information has been shared. The caliber of discussion is very low and the topics are being muddied by intellectual dishonesty and straw-man arguments. Instead of asking questions that would have illuminated the topic, commentators became butt-hurt and begin using the typical anti-intellectual deflections so common among black people.

To reiterate my position: I think the majority of problems affecting blacks are caused by the below average heritable IQ of the population. This will not be solved by practical improvements in environment and thus the only solution will be selective reproduction.

Unlike my previous threads, this topic will be strictly intellectual and I will not respond to people who do not have a level of understanding needed to discuss this issue. Most nairalanders do not know how to have an intellectual discussion so i'm going to break down my position into 4 sequential premises that should be argued separately:

1. Possibility. Do you believe that variations in human IQ and behavior are impossible? If so, why?

2. Evidence. Do you acknowledge that it is possible that IQ/behavior can vary between races, but disagree with the evidence as to whether or not bad genes have actually manifested in black people: Why? You cannot argue this premise unless you have accepted premise 1.

3. What is the solution? If you have accepted the fact that the black race suffers from below average IQ/negative behaviors, but don't think Eugenics would actually solve this problem: Why?

4. If you have accepted the fact that black people suffer from below average IQ and that Eugenics will solve the problem, but disagree with the ethnics of eugenics: Why?

-these positions must be argued sequentially. If you want to argue with me on a position that means you have implicitly agreed with everything above it.

PhysicsQED:
The original pioneers of Afrocentrism weren't actually like this at all, but now it's become something else entirely, and these traits/behaviors you mentioned are indeed common among some of them.

PhysicsQED!

long time

YourMain:
Lol. No he doesn't.

Develop your brain and learn how to think woman.

let me create an analogy for you, look at the picture of the overweight child below:

Does this child deserve more food?

Does its mother not have the right to refuse to give this child a privilege it has misused in the past? Its the same logic the OP is using. Just as this child has misused the privilege of food, the women in the OPs post have misused the privilege of a sexless relationship and thus do not deserve it anymore.

YourMain:
True... But he has no right to tell a woman what they deserve.

Yes he does. Grow the hell up

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osystein:
Lol, stop foaming at the mouth and barking like a rabid dog, answer some of the questions I posed to you. The country has improved since 21 years ago, so what's the problem?

Hmmm, and who built the largest Telecoms company and top brand in Africa, MTN? I doubt that will impress pleep, the negro with the highest IQ in the universe, lol.

Comparing Jews, the population who've always been the most literate in the world, and controlled the commerce & finances of entire kingdoms for over a thousand years before their emancipation to black people, what a joke. LMAO.

Scoring high on an IQ test clearly doesn't mean one has common sense.

Black RULE

Sagamite:
You are a dumb, cretinous fuuktard.

Please tell us what you regard as the "black man's model of development" and why that would be better than the "black man using the whiteman's model of development".

sagamite! long time ooo

osystein:
You're not gonna really sway anybody to your point about black inferiority when you show the correlation race has with poverty and HIV when you show a country like South Africa, when everybody knows the country's history. If the government for a century untill twenty years ago kept down a population and prevented any sort of advancement based purely on race, what outcomes do you expect?

Again, who doesn't know these "uncomfortable truths" about the country?The BBC and Al-jazeera had programs discussing them recently during AIDS day.

I saw your comment on your other thread about life expectancy having dropped after apartheid. Well the apartheid government only recorded only the life expectancy of the white population. When the blacks were included after apartheid the country's life expectancy went down.

http://www.health24.com/News/Public-Health/SAs-life-expectancy-Why-new-report-is-misleading-20150107

bla bla bla bla, there is something mentally wrong with the black people in south africa. Stop making excuses and accept it.

The Jews underwent persecution just as bad, all over Europe but it didn't stop them from becoming the richest ethnic group in the world. The blacks CONTROL South Africa. You have had 21 fucking years do build something and all you do is spread disease and violence, killing and fucking like animals.

First you gotta admit the problem before it can be solved.

kingston277:
Tone down the theatrics, professor.


So is the US government.


Lol.

So what's your "solution" then? How do you, a nobody living in whiteman's land, intend to solve all of black people's problems today when you lack the capacity to even accept the facts & variables necessary to diagnose the problem in the first place? Thank god you are not a doctor or a parliament member or anything. Your solution is to apply dictatorial blanket solutions devised by your own imagination supported by a history timeline you invented, to try and fix problems with the incorrect procedures. It's like trying to cure schizophrenia with electric shocks. You're so stuck in your ways that you cannot listen to those who have moved ahead of you in knowledge of a given subject.

Since you know the events that led to today's woes better than the people who spent their lives researching. I would you would do well you to link your ideas to Tumblr, Youtube, University online discussions, news sites and any places where black people in 2015 with greater influence reside and let them know your thoughts. Noone outside NL is going to see this thread or it's solutions so why not voice them in a more exposed venue? I'm sure they will take your senile ramblings seriously.

This is whats so funny about low IQ people, you think you know so much when you know so little.

The reality is your mind is not the kind of mind that was ever designed for knowledge, you are too biased, too emotional. like 99.99% of people you are caught up in the hivemind of your culture and era.

As I mentioned earlier, I was an afrocentric once but unlike you I didn't come to it to fill a void in my self-esteem. I started searching for the truth about black people and sought to understand why we are where we are. I researched the Moors, black Hebrew Israelites, the black Eyptians, I know about Seti, used to love Farrakhan etc. Even in the black Moors theory, which is mainly nonsense, there is a grain of truth same with all the rest.

On the more intellectual side I've read Guns Germs and Steel, a book which lays out ideas that are actually the foundation of my understanding of world history. The foundation of my historical understanding is actually the strongest anti-racist argument ever written. I've also researched West African history extensively. I know about the IMF, the World Bank and all that other shit that you people think I am unaware of. I don't care if i sound arrogant, but i have a gift for this stuff. I read pages in seconds and hardly forget anything. Trust me, I know it all. There is literally nothing someone like you can teach me because you have the type of mind that can only see one side of the picture.

Unlike you, when i learned everything I could from the Afrocentrics I took a trip to the other side of the isle with my mind just as open. I researched heredity, IQ, HBD Theory, even phrenology. I looked at the twin studies, testosterone studies, adrenaline studies and read most of the books on race and genetics.

You think that contradiction is bad, but its actually the only place where one finds the truth.

Read Hegel if you want to actually understand history, instead of just parroting off facts and biased opinions you heard someone else say.

The fact of the matter is, that even though the Flynn effect exists, and phenotypic intelligence increases with development, even though most of Africa's historical lack of development was due to environmental factors/climatic zone not race, even though the IMF, World Bank and Neo-Liberals have purposely impeded Africa's development, even though white people probably created AIDS....

Despite aaaaaall this, there is still overwhelming evidence that there are significant mental differences between the races, and these differences manifest themselves in negative behavior in blacks. Where you see a contradiction I see the truth. Your mind is simple and wasn't equipped to truly understand the complexities of reality. As for the solution, my ideas have advanced a little since originally making this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/2772412/africas-political-situation-caused-low

If this doesn't work, i'm just going to make a non-profit sperm back for high IQ black men, or perhaps just forget about black issues completely.

muafrika:

It's the simplicity of your solutions that is the problem. And it's because you do not know the real issues. And you are too young to appreciate the complexity of the reigning social systems.

I have double your IQ son, you cant teach me anything.

I was an afro-centric once, then I woke up.

kingston277:
First one is made of marble, the second and third one is made of wood, nothing special. The house you live in is likely made of wood and mud bricks as these are the most common materials used in the west nowadays.
Ironic how you insist you aren't impressed and yet thw Europeans you worship lamented their own architecture in their books when thwy saw African's.

Its not me who wants to talk about Europeans, you guys keep bringing them up and so I must show you why its a bad comparison. I hate to see another group do better than mine I hate it. I know with someone like me in charge blacks could surpass anyone, the problem is you guys.

Unlike you, I actually know what it takes to build a civilization. You must be hard on yourself, you must be hard on your people. You must hold yourself to the highest standard and leave no room for error. Other peoples know this, but braindead blacks think that you build by being easy on yourself and hard on others.

If there is a race stupider than blacks that race is extinct. And no, the buildings I listed are incomparable to that primitive thatch house

oglalasioux:
You said the moral biting pseudo-history the whiteman force-fed me is keeping my interest in seeking the truth low. Please kindly educate me on what truth is. Virtually your life is governed by the whiteman's inventions yet your afro centrism will not allow you admit it. We in black Africa only excel in the ideas the Whiteman taught us even if he is shouting to the point of coarse that he's not too sure about it anymore. Where else in the world do you have more churches? 90% of the churches in America are run and attended by blacks. That is the only thing we learnt from the Whiteman that we are vigorously practicing. Why? Because it doesn't need a lot of mental and physical effort. Just scare a group of people about hell and promise them castles in the air if they come to church and they'll bring in tithes and offering. Look at South Africa, is that the level they should be in 21 years of black rule? All the problems in South Africa today are perpetrated by blacks. Look at our infrastructures and institutions. They are the best in the world yet it was the Whiteman that built them for us. How long before they become decrepit? We don't even have maintenance culture. It's only in black Africa that solid waste management is still a challenge. Yet government spend billions annually for that. But the average pedestrian cannot have the wisdom to properly dispose an empty sachet of pure water The evidence of the incapability of the black man to properly govern himself is staring us in the face. I don't need any pseudo history to teach me that. Before I wait for your response let me remind you that we depend on the Whiteman for virtually everything; medicines, food production, building of infrastructures, mining of minerals even recreation. Give me the statistics that prove otherwise. Don't tell me it's bad leadership because that's exactly my point; we are incapable of managing ourselves. Waiting for your response.

https://www.nairaland.com/2765415/some-uncomfortable-truths-south-africa

everywhere there are blacks there is poverty violence and AIDS. The case of south africa proved without a doubt that there is something wrong with black people.

even the LIFE expectancy of the country dropped when blacks took over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4SS8uyhQnY

kingston277:
This part I can agree with as it applies to modern day blacks.


You think blacks have power in SA? I bet you think blacks have power in America just because Obama is president. The literacy chart posted in this thread is very telling. Whites took over the place and are running the institutions meant to help the public and yet so much of the population is poor and uneducated. Blacks aren't even given a proper chance to enter these institutions and turn things around for their community. The country is stuck in the shackles of apartide in the form of economic ghettos. No wonder Botswana has a higher standard of living than they do. It's a better run country.

The south African government is literally controlled by blacks. You mean to tell me that even when you put all these black people in positions of power they still cant even lift their people out of poverty?

Yet the jews manage to control america's foreign policy without even needing to hold office? listen to yourself you have no standard for black people

Wake up my brother. Blacks are the most creative people on earth, this is a fact. We can surpass all of this, if we just turn inward, stop making excuses and start holding ourselves to a standard for once in history!

kingston277:
Europeans built the art and architecture in the pictures? So They came to Africa and started building architecture that they couldn't back in Europe and completely forgot how to build said architecture when they returned to Europe?

Quit embarrassing yourself. The links posted pretty much shut down the premise of this thread.

I didnt say Europeans built that building, i said that building is not impressive.

Its a nice thatched roof house form the late 1800's or early 1900's, a time when the west already had steamships, machine guns and telegram wires. Is that how low your standards are? Really brother, black people can do better than this. Abandon the false pride, stop thinking about white people for a second and turn inwards. The black race has failed, we were defeated because we were backwards.

Does a thatched roof house really compare to:

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kingston277:
No pictures or writing? It sounds like you don't frequent these forums much. And when you do, you just post rather than learn from others here. There are whole threads dedicated to the subject that are still being updated to this day. https://www.nairaland.com/1249503/interesting-images-precolonial-early-colonial
https://www.nairaland.com/189030/african-script

Btw, which random village from way out in the boondocks did you get that picture from?

That village is in Nigeria. The places where Europeans didn't conquer are more backwards than the places they did conquer.

This is a fact, we cant blame our failures on others. Its time for the black race to grow up and abandon this false pride.

kingston277:
No pictures or writing? It sounds like you don't frequent these forums much. And when you do, you just post rather than learn from others here. There are whole threads dedicated to the subject that are still being updated to this day. https://www.nairaland.com/1249503/interesting-images-precolonial-early-colonial
https://www.nairaland.com/189030/african-script

Btw, which random village from way out in the boondocks did you get that picture from?

I know all about African history, probably more than you.

I've seen those pictures dozens of times and they never impress me. Its a basic house with a thatch roof buddy. And none of these cultures had a writing system except for nsibidi. Most of these states were also slave trading states.

African history ended with the battle of Tondibi, a couple hundred years before Europeans came. Everything afterwards is just shame