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Jokes apart. Without prejudice to any church thing. I AM DWELLING ON THIS YOUR "the bible that said DONT JUDGE!!
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I guess you should take this your maxim very seriously when YOU see your friend driving at the top spped a BRAKEless car from abuja to Kaduna! When YOu see your child skating on 3rd mainland bridge! THEY CANNOT DIE O because "the bible that said DONT JUDGE!!
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TO REV OKOTIE, i will be back.

Are you drunk? So asking your friend to slow down is judge him ? Ah ah

caprini: One thing is for sure...Chris Okotie is brave and bold to say in the open what almost every other Pastors say in secret about the catholic church.

like we care about cowards , pastor worshippers , self anointed men of god aka pastcrooks and pasthieves think? Did we send you message ? Why is okotie avoiding muslims Abi ? Or they will go to heaven?

victorazy: Part of what he said was true.
They do contrary to Jesus teachings like d way dey pray, I've argued it with someone too, they are not following Christ.

like the way we pray? Abeg elaborate

juanmiguel: we are honouring Mary we are honouring, we are honouring Mary never worshipping Mary, people say we worship her not at all, everybody join the chorus honour her, honour Mary!!!!

Holy virgin Mary , mother of God pray for us .
Honour to Mary .

*feeling like praying the rosary* for this okotie and his heretic brothers

Temptee101: There is some sense in what he said though. A church that gives relevance and importance more to Mary and the saints mentioned in the bible than Christ Himself. Also a church that believes that after one is dead, he goes to purgatory where he will atone for the sins he committed for some time before been recalled to heaven. After evaluating all these, a reasonable christian would sure think twice

And how did you figure that ?
Singing/shouting, honour to Marry, glory to Jesus ,honour to Mary

Dude you have been schooled on that thread by a woman , hide your face in shame and give up.
Hell fire we are coming. Catholics and proud ooo

Ukuts gp: The man is very correct. He may hv lived a wrong life before, But what he was saying is true. The roman catholic hv no fear of God. They teach heresy and follow human tradition.
Could u imagine their comment against God on this thread?

https://www.nairaland.com/1532144/false-heretic-apocraphal-books-added

read their comments of how they are accusing God because they want to defend their apocryphal books they hv added to the bible. It is really a shame. Catholic is nt a church. I can say that again anywhere, anytime and anyhow.

Zet72: What said may sound or strange but that's the truth,nothing but truth.

If u die in catholic church u are going to hell, if u remained there u can never make the rapture. Don't be deceived..

Christy okotie & his gullible flock are on they way to hellfire too.

Beauty pagent in the house of God?

Blah blah talk to the hand, Catholic and proud ,haters can go and hug a generator . Jealousy go kill una

Idi Amin: My emphasis is that he could be right in the area of purgatory. Since you respect catholic church a lot, why don't you continue in sin and hope on purgatory or the saints whose job is to worship God, to pray for you. Why was Prophet Samuel angry when Saul consulted his spirit? I'm not condemning anybody but let's call a spade, a spade. Those people you are protecting will be the one to discriminate against you when you propose marriage to their member. What kind of christian doctrine is that?

if you are not a Catholic why do you want to marry one ? Since we are evils ,we preach false doctrines blah blah stay away from our members okay?

Anyway who's that heretic dog ?

SEUN over to you , we are not Christian and want our own section just like muslims, we are discriminated in the actual religious section.

Ukuts gp: my guy just go and sit in one place u are nt making sense. Roman catholic is a disgrace to the name of God. Stop disguising as a church it is nt a church.

It is what ?

sakaguchi: And then the ultimate question is why would I lie? What do I stand to gain by lying?
Even is school, when they pay their tithe, the priest pray on them. Yesterdays mass was different because the priest quoted malachi 3:8 trying to justify the act and he went on as far as saying that next sunday and subsequent sundays will also be tithe sundays so that those of us who were not too convince before his tithe sermon or have not collected salaries then will pay up.

However let me chip in one point here which I didn't earlier, this said priest is not our parish priest, he said he was a class mate of our parish priest back in the days and he came to visit us, he'll probably spend 2/3 sundays with us. But then again, either way, he is a priest.

HE'S A FORMER PASTOR THEN

tobechi20: This story is a lie

his story is too fishy

Rich4god: I have not seen such in my own parish/diocese... But where I have witnessed it are diocese of Isselu-Uku and Warri.
The main one that disturb me the most is the introduction of football fans during launching, thanks giving and harvest. At first, it started with the calling of fans of different club to file out for thanksgiving. Later, they modified it and it went to a full competition of having knock-out stages. For example, on a certain sunday, they will put up a draw of maybe chelsea vs liverpool, arsenal vs man u, etc... Probably that will be the quater final stage. Then at the semi final stage, it will be a draw of the club whose fans donated more money on head to head basis in the previous round. Parishioners are really complaining but dont know why the bishop have to allow such practices. It seems to be promoting worldly things like football. Am not against giving to the church, its just the means that gets me pissed off.

Humm ..please let see what the others have to say on this issue you raised, never heard about that so my sentiments are mitigated, what I know is as long as it is not compulsory or forced then it is good .however I alsodont feel comfortable with what you just said, I think they love money too much in your parish , do you at least see where the money goes? Like do they do concrete stuffs with the money? Do you have a newspaper? Is it free? Do they offer local language courses/ lessons ? Is catechism free or at least affordable? Do you have decent toilets? If they don't do anything then you are right to raise your eyebrows, the church belongs to you too and you have the right to complain. Please gather your fellow Christians who think like you and confront the priests/head of the parish (not publicly and do it politely) that's all I can say for now , waiting for the others.
Thank you for Sharing

Amen .

peppy luv: Seriously I don't wanna go hard on you but u making me mad @ u cuz u sounding silly! Are u saying all these for the protestants to praise u?
These men move from one station to another every four years,order from above and you claim to house them as if you built the house for that particular priest!
Or do you expect them to do their work walking on foot? Mind you most of the missionary priest especially the ones being sent to poor countries suffer terribly!
The church in Nigeria stil takes care of these parishes and priests in poor countries!

The whole offertory is not for the priest but the church and whatever the church council gives him is what he will take!and r type give 50naira for offering and come here spilling thrash!
Who told you the harvest money is for the priest?he doesn't even have signatory to the harvest account! Even the anglicans whose priests marry don't have access to their harvest money
Do u know the church donated over 100million to the phillipines and stil doing more,they are our brothers cuz just like mexico and brazil they are 80%catholics but the church didn't announce the donation but the pentecostal association that gave 10million was even airing theirs!meanwhl their pastors own jets worth billions!
Even our pope doesn't own a jet and is not as if the church can't afford it for him but ours is not a life of luxury but that doesn't mean they should live wretched after sacrificing their life to God!
Why don't you become a priest an see how easy it is.

Pls its never too late to leave if you want to cuz I can see that ur protestant girlfrnd is now turning ur head or better still convert to islam where u will be paid for doing so.

[quote author=Demain_man]Yes, Nigeria Catholic churches are turning Pentecostal. Maybe it is this 'If you can beat them join them thingy'
Where i live there is nothing like tithe in the catholic church.[/quote]there's is you just don't pay . All Catholic churches receive tithes from people it just not enforced or compulsory, I mean the sermons and teachings do not revolve around tithes

sakaguchi: Well, he never said it was compulsory, but he blessed those who paid with a prayer full of rhapsody, they gathered round the altar where he rained down blessings on them for over 5minutes. He doesn't do this during general offering or when one gives to St. Vincent the Paul. That's something if you ask me. Today, the priest quoted Malachi 3:8 and even went as far to say that one sunday can no longer be tithe sunday, he said people should prepare for tithe next week (those of us who didn't bring in tithe today).
Besides, the question is, are this practice done in the Vatican? If not, then this is an alien doctrine springing up from Nigeria.

sorry but I don't believe this .
The whole come to the Altar and special prayers thingy , who are you deceiving?

Rich4god: I never said there is anything wrong... But its the means by which they go about it that get me concerned.

I know I was kinda talking in general, before harvesting the,parish always sets a goal to reach, building toilets in the church, replacing seats etc and the goals are made known for everyone , also the amount of money is made public every Sunday, I have found myself giving money thrice in. One mass it is not a big deal sometimes I came unprepared so I don't even participate etc , as a Catholic you shouldn't b focused much on this aspect, Germans catholics and British catholics/christians have taxes on their revenues.

Anyway brother can you tell us more ? What exactly does your priest do ? I'm confused a little bit we are talking about your story or the story in the linkyou posted above?
I'm not going to lie oo I really don't believe the story of this sagakuchi never heard before that the names of donors are made public or that they are called to receive special benedictions ,God forbid. Maybe his priest is an ex pastor

Rich4god: Hello all... I have been having a hard time coming to terms with the way some parishes scout for money. I even have it in mind of opening a thread about it but on a second thought I decided to bring it out here on this thread for a more quite discussion. Now, thank God someone have made my workload easier by opening a similar thread about it. No I want us to discuss about this. Here is the link to the thread...
https://www.nairaland.com/1538429/catholic-church-turning-pentecostal
This has become a serious issue that most time, people change parish whenever there is/are lauching/harvest @ their base parish cos of time spent on this program... Will be back.

there is nothing wrong in giving money to your church/Catholic church , at least we see where the money goes unlike in some erm I did not say anything . Anyway in the best of my knowledge tithes are not mandatory in the catholic church I mean priests don't harass people for it. So my advice to you is to pay what you want when you have or want ,however if you still have some doubts about what your priest is doing with the money you can ask him directly

vickyO: Really.

yup, happy?

SO Jesus has a true and a false mother?
May God save us

vickyO: Pope II, abeg no drag Catholic wahala come this thread o.
Answer question, you no gree answer, na to dey yab you sabi.
Make una no derail my thread (you and your partner Lirusehn.)

Breath vickyO I was only teasing you .
To answer your question it is very wrong, I doubt you can chew in front of your boss at your workplace , but you want to chew in the house of God ? Can't you wait for the end of the mass, besides it is even disrespectful and gross .my 2 Kobo

vickyO: Me too?

you are manageable and tolerable

adsonstone: @ Italo, Syncan and Woky.

Back to Mary.

If only Mary is referred to as 'mother of God', what happens to other women Jesus called his mother?
Should you not declare them 'mother of God' too?
Including the Nuns in covents, Priestly Sisters....etc....they are entitled to being the 'mother of God'.

May God forgive u

Thank you sister
Same to you

Sal C: Happy new month to my brethren in the house,

POPEII, FrancisTony, Rich4god, Italo,Woky,Syncan, Ubenedictus, babestell, Maria Gorreti, mykindofperfect, Jrbayano Nonso23, Okpurukata, Mr Aladin, Richieboyn, Chidima, Thersa, Adesua veronica,Unongu,damerry, cypher cypher, Chukwudi44, stricktlymi, Nomski0, engrtee, leon12

May God almighty bless,uphold, protect, preserve and grant you your utmost heart desire as we step into this new and blessed month in Jesus name Amen.

Please if I didn't mention your name, kindly pardon me, but bear in mind you are so so blessed.

GREETINGS FROM SAL C

THANK you brethren, don't b afraid to join the ship God himself asked to defend our faith

https://www.nairaland.com/1464338/thread-catholics don't forget to say hi on the thread above [quote author=Demain_man]SAL C, Woky, POPE II, Sycann, Italo, Chukwudi44, and the others that i cannot remember. I salute you guys. You really make me proud with the way you defend your faith. May the God almighty continue to bless you and give you more wisdom to stand for what you belief.

I know and you also know that their reasons for opening all these threads is not to learn our ways but to criticize. Most of them are 'god of men' or one man show pastors that are on nairaland recruiting gullible minds to fleece of their hard earned money by ways of tithe and offering. Most of them are lazy men whose only pre-occupation is to read and twist the word of God just as Ukuts_ is showing here.

I call them wolves in sheep clothing just as Jesus called them. They hate the Catholic Church that gave their fathers and themselves opportunities to go to school sef. Some of them would have ended up complete failure if not for Churches like Catholic that made it possible for a lot of them to be educated. Today they are throwing it back at the Catholic church.

Today, they worship god of men whose only interest is to acquire wealth and ride big cars. Their own church schools the members cannot even afford. Yet they criticize the Catholic Church.

Like i said before they are not on this thread to learn. This thread will even grow to 100 pages and yet they won't learn.

THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL OF UNA. I have been greatly enriched by your knowledge of the word. May God bless you all.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS IN ADVANCE[/quote]

Ukuts gp: leave the thread na. Let me discuss with someone who has little brain than u. U said u are leaving me and salc last time. What are u doing here again?

enjoying your azz whopping

Origin of Angelus (just for reminder) Sal C 's questions are still on




The Angelus is recited at three particular times during the day; 6 am, 12 noon, and 6 pm. Traditionally it is recited kneeling while a bell is rung. During the Easter Season, the Angelus is replaced by the Regina Caeli, a practice first instituted in 1743.

The origins of the Angelus undoubtedly lie with an 11th century custom of reciting three Hail Mary's during the evening bell. Pope Gregory IX (d 1241) ordered a bell to be rung in thepray for the people to remind to evening Crusades. In 1269 St. Bonaventure urged the faithful to adopt the custom of the Franciscans of saying three Hail Mary's as the evening bell was rung. Pope John XXII indulgenced this practice in 1318 and then again in 1327. The custom of reciting it in the morning apparently grew from the monastic custom of saying three Hail Mary's while a bell rang at Prime. The noon time custom apparently arose from the noon time commemoration of the Passion on Fridays. Pope Callistus III (1455-1458) for
prayer a as practice the commended Protection against the Turkish invasions of his time. By the sixteenth century the form of the prayer was standardized and it has been highly popular since the 17th century. Popes such as Benedict XIV, Leo XIII, Pius XI, and Pius XII

PopeMore recently,
it.

recommended

have

Paul VI wrote about it in Marialis Cultus and Pope John Paul II holds a weekly noon time Angelus address at St. Peter's Square. A partial indulgence is granted to those who devoutly recite it according to the time of the year.

Per annum Outside the Pascal Season

V. The angel of the Lord declared unto Mary;



V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae; R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.

R. And she conceived of the Holy Spirit.

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum.



Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus

Blessed

fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria,

blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners,

Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.

now, and in the hour of our death. Amen.

V. Ecce ancilla Domini.

V. Behold the handmaid of the Lord:

R. Fiat mihi secundum verbum tuum.

R. Be it done unto me according to Thy word.

Hail Mary, full of grace, .....



Ave Maria, gratia plena,.......



V. Et Verbum caro factum est.

V. And the Word was made flesh:

R. Et habitavit in nobis.

R. And dwelt among us.

Ave Maria, gratia plena,....... Hail Mary, full of grace, .....

V. Ora pro nobis, sancta Dei Genetrix.

V. Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God. R. That we may be made worthy of the

R. Ut digni efficiamur promissionibus Christi.

promises of Christ.

Oremus:



Let us pray:

Gratiam tuam, quaesumus, Domine,

Pour forth, we beseech Thee, O Lord, Thy grace into our hearts, that we, to whom the

Angelo

qui,

ut

infunde;

nostris

mentibus

nuntiante, Christi Filii tui incarnationem

incarnation of Christ, Thy Son, was made

cognovimus, per passionem eius et crucem,

known by the message of an angel, may by

ad resurrectionis gloriam perducamur. Per

His passion and cross be brought to the glory of His resurrection, through the same

eundem Christum Dominum nostrum.

Christ our Lord.

R. Amen.

R. Amen.

Pascal Season



Tempore Paschali



Regina caeli, laetare, alleluia:



Queen of Heaven rejoice, alleluia:

Quia quem meruisti portare, alleluia.

For He whom you merited to bear, alleluia,

Resurrexit sicut dixit, alleluia.

Has risen as He said, alleluia.

Ora pro nobis Deum, alleluia.

Pray for us to God, alleluia.

V. Gaude et laetare, Virgo Maria, Alleluia,

V.

alleluia.

R. Quia surrexit Dominus vere, alleluia.

R. Because the Lord is truly risen, alleluia.

Oremus:



Let us pray:

Deus qui per resurrectionem Filii tui, Domini

O God, who by the Resurrection of Thy Son,

nostri Iesu Christi, mundum laetificare

our Lord Jesus Christ, granted joy to the whole

dignatus es: praesta, quaesumus, ut per eius

through the intercession of the Virgin Mary,

Genetricem Virginem Mariam, perpetuae

eundem

Per

vitae.

gaudia

capiamus

His Mother, we may lay hold of the joys of

Christum Dominum nostrum.

eternal life. Through the same Christ our

R. Amen.

Lord. R

Ukuts gp: i have told u that jesus did nt prepare any concotion. That he did that because he wants to try the man's faith. And the man really excersise his faith by obeying jesus christ directions.

God did nt make those prophets to lie for they are false prophets telling Ahab a lie. When u look at that scripture u will will find Ahab have made up his mind not to accept the truth even when he was told the truth by a true prophet of God he rejected it and accept those lying prophets. So when the evil spirit present himself, God gave him permission to do so cos he has already made up his mind to accept d lying prophets and reject the truth.

Do you know that when you say amen after a prayer you are following a catholic teaching and a pope's order?
The same church and papacy you keep insulting lol

woky: na kilishi i go buy

nwane I no dey eat kilishi , too dry for my liking

Sal C: here are the questions,
No1 has been answered.

Where are Uben and Italo na?

I need to go back to catechism , poor me