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AmazonTopaz:
LMAO.

To each his own and believe what you may I don't have time to talk religion.God must have guided the men at Nicea and King James too read history and dig in more if you wish.God inspired humans to write lol.So since there were different writers who wrote each book different years who gave the idea that they should all be written in one and called the Bible why are there more than 66 books.Don't make me laugh just admit you have no idea what you are saying and just on blind Faith.This is beyond you

There has always been the holy scriptures even b4 ur Nicea men and king James existed. They were only translators or actors in distortion of the truth. Now ask urself why were they desperate to distort the truth if they cud?

The fact remains the holy scriptures exist and It is God reaching out to man. Nobody goes out of their way to distort trash.

BeardedShaman:
Ah, an atheist spotted. I was once like you Mr. but after years of extensive research into historical and archaeological studies, I have since emancipated myself from that line of thought. Before I continue, I employ you to not assume yourself a wise man by leaning to your own understanding but be open to new knowledge. Now to begin—the world's history FYI have been manipulated, large chunks of it erased or stashed away in secret vaults and false versions put out by some really powerful personnel in their quest to rid the world of the truth. Take for instance, the existence of giants. In my quest for answers, I stumbled upon Abraham Lincoln's remarks about them in a speech he delivered in Niagara (1848). Even the New York times once wrote several pieces on them in the 18th century when the unearthing of giant bones became a reoccurring phenomena but guess what? All such evidences have since been mopped up by The Smithsonian Institute of USA. Why? Not entirely sure pe say. Perhaps, their existence contradicts the theory of evolution which postulates that the early man was grounded by 4/5 ft in height and that not until recent times did people start to grow past that height range. I could go on but I intend to keep this piece brief. If you wish to know more you can always quote me

I want to know more. I want to say one thing about the bible, God was partial in the bible by choosing the Israelites over other people on earth when it was he who created everyone and is said to love all equally.

Why then did he aid the Israelites in the there wars to kill others. It's the same bible that said God is an epitome justice and perfection. The bible contradicted it's self.

Explorers:
They mummifed their dead, preserved the bodies,
wrapped the bodies, performed rituals placed bodies in coffins, they sealed coffins and sealed the tombs from any sort of disturbance or tomb robbers/raiders.

Thousands of years later, some people broke the seals to these tombs, uncovered the coffins/sarcophagus, remove the mummies and place them in museums.


Anyway, i wish to visit Egypt someday and see these mummies with my eos 100d.

well, I guess the disturbance of these mummies is due to absence or lack of power of the followers of such ancient religion.

Centuries ago, people would not dare such out of fear of the spiritual and physical implications. Today, we now know that those dead bodies cannot harm no one, and the curses at the entrances aren't effective.

Similarly, many holy sites of today belonging to current powerful religions of the world will become archeological site in the future.

jaxxy:
There has always been the holy scriptures even b4 ur Nicea men and king James existed. They were only translators or actors in distortion of the truth. Now ask urself why were they desperate to distort the truth if they cud?

The fact remains the holy scriptures exist and It is God reaching out to man. Nobody goes out of their way to distort trash.

You ended up saying nothing.
I know this things why don't you dig into history and ask yourself we know the manuscripts has always existed who wrote them different men at different times for different reasons and some were letters(epistles)to different people.When was it put together as the Bible and since you admit that it was distorted and could be edited,revised and re-edited why then will you take such words seriously and who told you God reached out to them how sure are you if so why did God let them get distorted and influenced by men who used it as a means of power and tool of control why was it not just written in our hearts and we were already given such knowledge at birth.

AmazonTopaz:
You ended up saying nothing.
I know this things why don't you dig into history and ask yourself we know the manuscripts has always existed who wrote them different men at different times for different reasons and some were letters(epistles)to different people.When was it put together as the Bible and since you admit that it was distorted and could be edited,revised and re-edited why then will you take such words seriously and who told you God reached out to them how sure are you if so why did God let them get distorted and influenced by men who used it as a means of power and tool of control why was it not just written in our hearts and we were already given such knowledge at birth.

Just like u tried to claim with ur historical assertions of a distorted Bible which I said cud be true, the truth also of the real scriptures can not be hidden even if u try to distort it. Meaning the truth of the real scriptures can’t be hidden applying the truth logic.

jaxxy:
Just like u tried to claim with ur historical assertions of a distorted Bible which I said cud be true, the truth also of the real scriptures can not be hidden even if u try to distort it. Meaning the truth of the real scriptures can’t be hidden applying the truth logic.

It is not an assertion in some parts of the middle East and Europe the Bible is more than 66 books so how could it be asserted when it is true. so the other books not common in this part of the world is not part of the truth of the holy book that cannot be hidden right since we cannot see those other books part of the scriptures in Nigeria are you saying the truth has been hidden from us here can you hear yourself
You don't know what you are saying
LMAO

AmazonTopaz:
It is not an assertion in some parts of the middle East and Europe the Bible is more than 66 books so how could it be asserted when it is true. so the other books not common in this part of the world is not part of the truth of the holy book that cannot be hidden right since we cannot see those other books part of the scriptures in Nigeria are you saying the truth has been hidden from us here can you hear yourself
You don't know what you are saying
LMAO

Obviously there are many books I’m not disputing that bt they cannot contradict themselves or the Truth.

The Truth will always stand even if there are attempts to distort it. It will still come out and that’s why I didn’t dispute ur account of people’s attempts to distort a true history also.

The Bible we have be it complete or not is probably still sufficient to get the required information of the truth as we don’t have any confirmed detrimental contradictions even with original Jewish texts.

CosmicPhoenix:

the ancient egyptians were known to keep historical records of all their activities,that's why in the bible the name of the pharaoh that enslaved the israelites was never mentioned because the ancient egyptians had no record of such and the lie would have been too obvious.

That's one theory.

Another is that they are illiterate slaves, so they don't know who's who among the pharaoh they just have to call them all pharaoh

CAPSLOCKED:
THE JEWS AND ISRAELITES EVEN REJECT THE STORY. THEY'VE LONG APOLOGIZED TO EGYPT ON BEHALF OF THE AUTHORS OF THIS LIE.

THE EGYPTIANS (SO CALLED SLAVE MASTERS) REJECT THIS STORY AS THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED.
THE ISRAELITES (SO CALLED SLAVES) REJECT THIS STORY AS THEY WERE NEVER ENSLAVED BY ANYONE.

GUESS WHO ARGUE THAT THE EGYPTIANS AND ISRAELITES ARE WRONG?
CHRISTIANS IN NIGERIA, THAT ARE NEITHER ISRAELITES NOR EGYPTIANS.

Do you know that I tell people this every single day?

missjo:
I do not intend to make you appear purposefully ignorant, but don't you consider yourself a bit funny typing the above texts in bold with so much ferociousness?

There is a Jewish public holiday called Pesach (The Passover) which is celebrated by all Jews around the world, everyone knows this, everyone except you it seems.

So if you claim that the Jews have rejected the story of their enslavement in Egypt, do pray tell, what is this Passover they are still celebrating every year worldwide?

Don't answer

Part of their culture!
That they discover something is not true doesn't mean they would stop practicing what define their identity.

missjo:
Hello!
If you will, please do some research on this Egyptian word Apiru/Habiru/Hapiru/Aperu.

Same words, just different spellings depending on source material. Basically means slaves/outcasts.

And no, Google is never enough

Slaves, outcasts, bandits, nomads, people without identity or land

CosmicPhoenix:

the ancient egyptians were known to keep historical records of all their activities,that's why in the bible the name of the pharaoh that enslaved the israelites was never mentioned because the ancient egyptians had no record of such and the lie would have been too obvious.

guy you dey make sense

mikkyjay:
Why will you say someone could have been condemned from birth? Who condemned such person from birth? If God, I thought God is not partial, why will God condemn someone even before they are born? And if that is the case how will you know what your fate is in this life since someone can be condemned before he/she is born?

Open your spiritual knowledge with the Book of Romans chapter 9 and you will understand vividly what salvation is all about. I will not go further than this. This is a mystery

musicwriter:
Again, Israel was also part of Egypt, so the Israelites would have been running to nowhere. The "Pharaoh" was also the ruler in Israel.

Yes, the passover festival may have originated from the myth of crossing the red sea. Similar festivities originating from mythology are commemorated by other cultures around the world, so it doesn't mean the passover is celebrated because there was an actual "dividing of a red sea" for them to escape a Pharaoh.

The dead sea scrolls simply confirmed that part of the bible stories had at least been around since the first century AD. That's all it does.

There was no nation of Israel then both geographically and Political/Sovereign wise, so I don't know which Imaginary Israel was under Egypt and Pharaoh.

You want me to believe your mere assumption without evidence against the oral and documented history of a people (Israel) abi?

can't corps rest in peace again in Egypt ? haa

PVision2020:
There was no nation of Israel then both geographically and Political/Sovereign wise, so I don't know which Imaginary Israel was under Egypt and Pharaoh.

You want me to believe your mere assumption without evidence against the oral and documented history of a people (Israel) abi?

The land you call Israel today was part of Egypt in ancient time. It's verifiable by history. It's actually one of the few things the bible also verified. Example; Pharaoh Taharqa or Tiharqa (690 BC - 664 BC) ruled from Ethiopia/Sudan. He's the Pharaoh that fought off the Assyrian invaders from Israel. Pharaoh Taharqa or Tiharqa was mentioned in the bible at 2 Kings 19: 8-13, 2 Kings 19: 9, 2 Kings 19: 8.

King Taharqo was the 4th Pharaoh in the 25th dynasty of the Egyptian monarchy, and he ruled from Ethiopia/Sudan. See Egyptian Pharaoh timeline https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/phar/hd_phar.htm

And yes, it wasn't called Israel, they were called Cannanites, which is why Kaba Hiawatha Kamene joked that "its called Israel today, yesterday it was called Palestine, a day before it was called Cannan."

luvinhubby:
Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Rameses.
Exodus 1:11 KJV

Cities are named after the Pharaoh that built them

But there is nothing is Egyptian records that supports that claim

hahn:
But there is nothing is Egyptian records that supports that claim

Look well, Egyptian records have Ramses in it, he was among the mummies transferred.

Egyptian records also have Hapirus(corruption of Hebrews) mentioned in them. Google Apiru or Hapirus, you will see it

musicwriter:
The land you call Israel today was part of Egypt in ancient time. It's verifiable by history. It's actually one of the few things the bible also verified. Example; Pharaoh Taharqa or Tiharqa (690 BC - 664 BC) ruled from Ethiopia/Sudan. He's the Pharaoh that fought off the Assyrian invaders from Israel. Pharaoh Taharqa or Tiharqa was mentioned in the bible at 2 Kings 19: 8-13, 2 Kings 19: 9, 2 Kings 19: 8.

King Taharqo was the 4th Pharaoh in the 25th dynasty of the Egyptian monarchy, and he ruled from Ethiopia/Sudan. See Egyptian Pharaoh timeline https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/phar/hd_phar.htm

And yes, it wasn't called Israel, they were called Cannanites, which is why Kaba Hiawatha Kamene joked that "its called Israel today, yesterday it was called Palestine, a day before it was called Cannan."

You should know that geographically boundaries and Rulership aren't sacrosanct during those dispensation as Wars and conquests determine who occupies where and who rules over it.
Rome under Alexander the great rules over 1/3 of the world, same as Babylon, Assyrian, Persia, Mendes, ottomans and other world powers.
That a Pharaoh ruled from Ethiopia to Sudan at a point in time doesn't mean Ethiopia and Sudan were always under the Rulership of Egypt.
Ethiopia was a Sovereign state and even bedrock of ancient civilization.
Israel got their land through wars and conquests, so part of the Land Israelites conquered was part of Egypt's controlled territory

God first made the promise to Abraham ( Genesis 15:18–21 ):
On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates— the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."

PVision2020:
You should know that geographically boundaries and Rulership aren't sacrosanct during those dispensation as Wars and conquests determine who occupies where and who rules over it.
Rome under Alexander the great rules over 1/3 of the world, same as Babylon, Assyrian, Persia, Mendes, ottomans and other world powers.
That a Pharaoh ruled from Ethiopia to Sudan at a point in time doesn't mean Ethiopia and Sudan were always under the Rulership of Egypt.
Ethiopia was a Sovereign state and even bedrock of ancient civilization.
Israel got their land through wars and conquests, so part of the Land Israelites conquered was part of Egypt's controlled territory

God first made the promise to Abraham ( Genesis 15:18–21 ):
On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates— the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."

If you want us to continue stop quoting bible unless it's backed by history.

There was no God that gave any land to an Abraham, so stop quoting bible to support anything, unless you have verifiable historical source outside the bible to back it up as I did in my previous post. Abraham never existed talkless of having a contract with a God.

The people in Israel today calling themselves Jews never conquered any land in ancient time in Cannan and environ, except in Khazaria (a region of Turkey) where they held on for a while up till Roman to Mohamadian era. Aside that, they've been historically insignificant landless normads and shepherds until they took over Palestine in 1948 to create a nation. So, those stories of heroism of the Jews in your Bible are myths only found in the bible.

Again, the place called Israel today was part of Egypt in ancient time and was indeed ruled by an Ethiopian king as I already showed.

luvinhubby:
Look well, Egyptian records have Ramses in it, he was among the mummies transferred.

Egyptian records also have Hapirus(corruption of Hebrews) mentioned in them. Google Apiru or Hapirus, you will see it

We are talking about Egyptian historical evidence of having the Israelites as slaves.

That it is written in the bible doesn't mean it is true. Like saying spiderman is real because he slings his web in New York. That New York is real doesn't mean spiderman is real. Get it?

The story of Israelites as slaves under Egypt is simply a myth and an outright lie.

Even the Jews don't take it seriously.

musicwriter:
If you want us to continue stop quoting bible unless it's backed by history.

There was no God that gave any land to an Abraham, so stop quoting bible to support anything, unless you have verifiable historical source outside the bible to back it up as I did in my previous post. Abraham never existed talkless of having a contract with a God.

The people in Israel today calling themselves Jews never conquered any land in ancient time in Cannan and environ, except in Khazaria (a region of Turkey) where they held on for a while up till Roman to Mohamadian era. Aside that, they've been historically insignificant landless normads and shepherds until they took over Palestine in 1948 to create a nation. So, those stories of heroism of the Jews in your Bible are myths only found in the bible.

Again, the place called Israel today was part of Egypt in ancient time and was indeed ruled by an Ethiopian king as I already showed.

The real problem is the fact that Christian's believe everything written in the bible is historical. They just cannot tell the difference between fact and myth

musicwriter:
If you want us to continue stop quoting bible unless it's backed by history.

There was no God that gave any land to an Abraham, so stop quoting bible to support anything, unless you have verifiable historical source outside the bible to back it up as I did in my previous post. Abraham never existed talkless of having a contract with a God.

The people in Israel today calling themselves Jews never conquered any land in ancient time in Cannan and environ, except in Khazaria (a region of Turkey) where they held on for a while up till Roman to Mohamadian era. Aside that, they've been historically insignificant landless normads and shepherds until they took over Palestine in 1948 to create a nation. So, those stories of heroism of the Jews in your Bible are myths only found in the bible.

Again, the place called Israel today was part of Egypt in ancient time and was indeed ruled by an Ethiopian king as I already showed.

Lol...but you quoted the Bible in your previous summation na. You're free to quote the Bible to drive home your narrative, but I'm not permitted right?
You keep pulling out claims from nowhere and you expect me to take you serious?
Even the present Israel is sitting on conquered territories.
Major religions of the world (Christianity/Judaism and Islam) and historical/Archeological texts have Abraham (Ibrahim) as a major subject of their text but you here is telling us Abraham never existed from your jaundiced history right?

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/archaeological-discoveries-in-israel-2004-present
https://www.israel21c.org/the-10-most-iconic-archeological-sites-in-israel/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/bible-scroll-fragments-among-dazzling-artifacts-found-in-dead-sea-cave-of-horror/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology
https://www.imj.org.il/en/wings/archaeology/archaeology-land-israel

hahn:
We are talking about Egyptian historical evidence of having the Israelites as slaves.

That it is written in the bible doesn't mean it is true. Like saying spiderman is real because he slings his web in New York. That New York is real doesn't mean spiderman is real. Get it?

The story of Israelites as slaves under Egypt is simply a myth and an outright lie.

Even the Jews don't take it seriously.

And why does every Jew on this earth celebrate the Pashac or Passover every first day of the month of Abib till now?
It was even celebrated last week,, why?

kingxsamz:

But seriously bro, where you dey since?
Thought you were banned.

He may be in prison, who knows? Sinners' misbehavior can put them in trouble

hahn:
The real problem is the fact that Christian's believe everything written in the bible is historical. They just cannot tell the difference between fact and myth

The actual problem is that you think you can tell the difference when you cannot.

PVision2020:
Lol...but you quoted the Bible in your previous summation na. You're free to quote the Bible to drive home your narrative, but I'm not permitted right?
You keep pulling out claims from nowhere and you expect me to take you serious?
Even the present Israel is sitting on conquered territories.
Major religions of the world (Christianity/Judaism and Islam) and historical/Archeological texts have Abraham (Ibrahim) as a major subject of their text but you here is telling us Abraham never existed from your jaundiced history right?

As someone rightly said, you and many Christians don't know that the bible isn't history. It's made up of little bit of history, and mostly mythology and outright lies.

I have nothing against the bible. If I find anything historical inside, I'll of course, quote it. So, the only reason I quoted the Bible is because I can prove that Pharaoh Tahaqo could be found in historical records outside your bible, which is why I showed you Egyptian Pharaohs timeline.

Attached is the coffin of Pharaoh Tahaqo in the Egyptian museum. If you don't believe it, go to google image and search "mummy of pharaoh Tahaqo".

You'll NEVER be able to provide any proof that Abraham existed. Provide me the coffin of anybody you're talking about in the bible.

musicwriter:
As someone rightly said, you and many Christians don't know that the bible isn't history. It's made up of little bit of history, and mostly mythology and outright lies.

I have nothing against the bible. If I find anything historical inside, I'll of course, quote it. So, the only reason I quoted the Bible is because I can prove that Pharaoh Tahaqo could be found in historical records outside your bible, which is why I showed you Egyptian Pharaohs timeline.

Attached is the coffin of Pharaoh Tahaqo in the Egyptian museum. If you don't believe it, go to google image and search "mummy of pharaoh Tahaqo".

You'll NEVER be able to provide any proof that Abraham existed. Provide me the coffin of anybody you're talking about in the bible.

Who rightly said? And who even thought you history is history, how'd you even verify a proof is truely true. We ought to just believe, would it kill you to just shut up and just live a just and peaceful life?

There's good in the world, there's bad too. We can't always know what's what, life is a lesson. Calm down, e go teach you. Let's learn to trust only what's positive and of good and doesn't directly hurt anyone.

luvinhubby:
And why does every Jew on this earth celebrate the Pashac or Passover every first day of the month of Abib till now?
It was even celebrated last week,, why?

Because it is Jewish myth. Of what significance is it to you as Nigerian?

The same God they claimed saved them from Egypt couldn't save them from Hitler

Image123:
The actual problem is that you think you can tell the difference when you cannot.

The actual problem is that you don't even realise there is a difference