NiRfreak:

Women weren't made to be a loner or an island. They were created with relationship in mind even before they were fashioned.
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Remember Eve was formed to come and be joined to Adam. It seems without man in the picture, they would have no lofty purpose, and they wouldn't have been formed. But men were formed without women in the initial plan.
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So when a woman finally get joined to a man in marriage, her divine purpose seems to be fulfilled cos that was the initial plan - to be joined to a man and be his helper.
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But on the other hand, men weren't created to be joined to a woman. Men were created into a purpose without woman in the picture. The primary purpose was to be in charge of the universe, dominate it and fashion out its destiny.

Meanwhile, due to boredom that comes after some deal of hardwork, necessity for leisure now arises, prompting the need to create women, as a companion when bored, an object of pleasure and distraction away from the hard-work inherent in man's purpose.
Women are created for relationship in simple terms. It's their highest goal and ideal that they can't but celebrate with a heart of victory.

Succinctly put.

TSBO:


Sir/Madam, are you a believer? Just need to know first.

God did not make a mistake. God does not make mistakes.

As I said earlier, the revelation of God is progressive. The old testament is a shadow and hence you cannot the reality there. For example, God does not do evil. He has never and will never, but you see evil done attributed to God in the old testament.
Christ is the interpretation of the scriptures. You cannot fully understand unless you first know Christ and see Him through the scriptures.

And there are no myths in the Bible. There are however metaphors in certain places.

Sir/Madam, you can be a believer without being a total fool. There are two different stories of creation in the bible. One is plausible, the other is not. Both cannot be true. That is a FACT. And no amount of discernment can change that FACT!

PoliteActivist:


I quoted the bible: Genesis 5. States CLEARLY that man and woman were created same exact moment, which is the only thing that CAN make sense!

But never happened simultaneously. One came first which is adam. Eve came from Adam. It never happened simultaneously!!!

PoliteActivist:


Sir/Madam, you can be a believer without being a total fool. There are two different stories of creation in the bible. One is plausible, the other is not. Both cannot be true. That is a FACT. And no amount of discernment can change that FACT!

Straw man. I asked a question and you left that to attend to something else.

The point is, if you don't believe Christ, you CANNOT understand the bible.

Adios.

TSBO:


Straw man. I asked a question and you left that to attend to something else.

The point is, if you don't believe Christ, you CANNOT understand the bible. If you believe, we can then have further discussions..

Adios.

Do you even know what strawman means. Just repeating what you heard.
How can we have discussion when you can't even be HONEST about what is there in clear black and white. How can you have discussion with such a person??

AlphaBeta130:


But never happened simultaneously. One came first which is adam. Eve came from Adam. It never happened simultaneously!!!

Here's something I posted earlier:

My friend Adam couldn't have been created a second before Eve. He was given a penis; where was that supposed to go?? Look throughout nature - a positive can't exist without concurrent existence of a negative. Also, see your non sequitur - God who knows everything suddenly REALISED he made a mistake - and the type of mistake that even a child won't make!
And this - God who created the whole universe with just His words suddenly became a sculptor when it came to Eve. He could not create her with just His words! Please discern the difference between myth and Gid's logic.

Read your bible.
GENESIS ONE:
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

GENESIS 5:
When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God.(C) 2 He created them(D) male and female(E) and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind”[a] when they were created.

NiRfreak:


You no get sense bro. I'm just wasting my time arguing with a dimwitted.
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You don't even know the meaning of
Bible chronology and genealogy from creation story. wow. People can argue like a fool on this space Sha.
Between Gen2 and Gen5....Tell me..
which one is creation story?
which one is mere genealogy?
which one is creation chronology evident.
..
You must be in Jss1 with primary 2 comprehension sense.

Leave that guy, i have been observing his weak analogy

I find it hard to understand how you claim women don't mature earlier than men but claim you studied a program under the category of the biological sciences. Perhaps you only just have a degree, and you have no idea the significance of doing thorough research. In today's world you learn far more out of a classroom than in it. By out of it i mean purposeful research work. The guy was reasonably correct in saying women mature(ripen) earlier. Below is a reference to a study.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-12/nu-bcm121913.php

McSquishi:


You just did the thing I said men do in the first part of your statement then pretended men don’t do that thing in the second half lol

You’re confused about whether you agree with me or not.

Biologically speaking women don’t ripen earlier than men. And even if we did that has nothing to do with pressuring someone to marry early.

Men have shorter life expectancy vs women, if anything men should be encouraged to marry early since they die sooner.

And I wish the lie could stop being told that men naturally look more youthful than their age mates because a lot of you look old for your age. Women only look aged after being forced into a hard life by the man she marries. Men who pamper their wife keep her looking fresh.

Thanks.

PoliteActivist:


Do you even know what strawman means. Just repeating what you heard.
How can we have discussion when you can't even be HONEST about what is there in clear black and white. How can you have discussion with such a person??

I have not in any way spoken about your comment on two "seemingly" contradictory creation stories. My focus has been on demonstrating that the creation of the woman was not an afterthought as God does not make mistakes.

However, you seem to think that I am just here to defend the Bible blindly.

God did intend to make male and female. There is no afterthought with God. For example, Jesus is said to be the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

Lastly, and I guess this is what you are keen about, One passage in Genesis speaks to "how" and the rest speak to "what" He did. The new testament reiterates the fact that the woman is of the man. Evidently, there is no contradiction as to "how".

The fact that the woman is of the man does not contradict the creation of male and female, and vice versa. In fact, it provides more background.

I hope it is clear now.

Omoluabiii:


i think marriage have never been a balance thing from the beginning.
The man bears most of the responsibility and reap the least of its result.
So anyone going into it should know what he is getting into.
Although One can strategically reduce the burden up to a almost balance level, but not totally....
So choose to go in or not, but i tell you, its a hard thing....

Yes now that makes men men, there's nothing like equality in marriage

PoliteActivist:


See below. I know you can't imagine that is possible

Exceptions don't make the rule dude

PoliteActivist:


READ is not same as UNDERSTAND. Go back and read again.. (Hint: can positive exist without concurrent existence of negative?)

Women are not built for leadership and cannot lead men especially in marriage

Pls cancel all the nonsense you wrote up there.

Just a simple question, between ur dad and mom, who pressures/pressured you to get married?

You feel men have time for all this nonsense relationship matter?

All those things you wrote up there are exactly what mothers/aunties/elder sisters/female peers (that married before you) do.

men don't care less... and I'll add, even Fathers



...thought she was making sense till I decided to read it.

mtchew

McSquishi:


Culture convinces women they are more valuable upon getting married or “winning” a man’s heart.
[s]
It’s funny because if a woman isn’t married it is usually men who will ridicule her for it. Men push women to get married early, telling us we aren’t getting any younger. Men spread the lie that even a rich woman has no value or hasn’t fulfilled her purpose if she has no husband.

Men take time to make all these write ups and get women to sign up for courses on attracting men for marriage. Men warn women not to be too obsessed with career and education that they end up missing out on a husband

So it’s not just that women celebrate it most, women are pressured into it most. Nigerian culture teaches girls from very early on that their main purpose, their main value, is to please a man. while boys are raised to know they have value just standing alone.

However if a man is not excited to be in a relationship/marriage and even hides it then it’s because he’s immature and not ready to settle down. That’s not a sign of manhood but childishness.. [/s]

TSBO:


I have not in any way spoken about your comment on two "seemingly" contradictory creation stories. My focus has been on demonstrating that the creation of the woman was not an afterthought as God does not make mistakes.

However, you seem to think that I am just here to defend the Bible blindly.

God did intend to make male and female. There is no afterthought with God. For example, Jesus is said to be the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

Lastly, and I guess this is what you are keen about, One passage in Genesis speaks to "how" and the rest speak to "what" He did. The new testament reiterates the fact that the woman is of the man. Evidently, there is no contradiction as to "how".

The fact that the woman is of the man does not contradict the creation of male and female, and vice versa. In fact, it provides more background.

I hope it is clear now.

What do you mean "I hope it us clear now" when u have totally confused yourself. We are saying that man couldn't have been created at a different time from woman as one biblical story says. Instead of being clear about that, you are there confusing yourself with all sorts of ancillary talk. Simple: man and woman were created same time, That's what makes sense - and luckily a version of biblical creation story also says so!

OBku4:
Pls cancel all the nonsense you wrote up there.

Just a simple question, between ur dad and mom, who pressures/pressured you to get married?

You feel men have time for all this nonsense relationship matter?

All those things you wrote up there are exactly what mothers/aunties/elder sisters/female peers (that married before you) do.

men don't care less... and I'll add, even Fathers



...thought she was making sense till I decided to read it.

mtchew

Surely women participate in pressuring one another.

But pretending a big portion of ridicule and pressure doesn’t come from men is funny. If you’re on nairaland or even read comments in this thread you would’ve seen it.

Male pastors, motivational speakers, random men are all over the place convincing women to read this one or sign up for that one to learn how to find a husband. You haven’t seen it? Really?

You haven’t seen guys ridicule a woman saying how she’ll never get married or find a husband with this attitude or this character trait? Hmm


Neither of my parents pressured me to get married. So your point of that question is lost on me.

SeekerofTruth1:
Kindly Ignore the First Commenter Please

And yes,you answered yourself in your Post. Marriage is a Big achievement for women because After their Father and Boyfriends are done taking care of them,it is now Their husband's turn,which will hopefully give them male kids who will then Continue the process when the Husband Must have probably been milked dry by the Woman

Bad guy

benji93:
I find it hard to understand how you claim women don't mature earlier than men but claim you studied a program under the category of the biological sciences. Perhaps you only just have a degree, and you have no idea the significance of doing thorough research. In today's world you learn far more out of a classroom than in it. By out of it i mean purposeful research work. The guy was reasonably correct in saying women mature(ripen) earlier. Below is a reference to a study.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-12/nu-bcm121913.php

This study and others is about the brain and research suggest that girls (during childhood and adolescence) have better brain optimization in certain cognitive and emotional areas. By the time they are teenagers in Highschool, boys and girls will have caught up to one another in those areas.

This has nothing to do with people of marriageable age.

He said ripen and spoke on showing signs of aging faster which was speaking to physical maturity. He later mentioned the words “old” “ugly” to further prove he was speaking about physical appearance.

So thanks for trying to win his points for him but you’re both wrong.

BLOODYSPERM:



Mordern women and the blaming game
Always blaming men, society, culture, religion, Patriachy in any field they feel insecured and inferior including marriage
Ignoring evolutionary scientific realities of the clear and distinct Biological , psychological and physical differences between men and women
Men are abstractive that why they are generally drawn to things such as building civilization that's why we choose STEM(science, Technology Engineering and Mathematics),women are solipsistic and they are generally drawn to people and relationships such as marriage that why they choose arts and humanities

Women menstruous Hypergamous realities makes them desire to settle down for a long term provisioning mate , don't fight or question nature

You can’t deny my statements when there are men confirming my observation in this very thread.

There are no biological nor psychological differences that make women want to get married and men not cherish marriage. This isn’t about nature but nurture. It depends on how you are raised. And how you are raised very much depends on your culture.

What civilization have you built? You men in Nigeria can’t even build paved roads for your community, let’s be realistic lol.

The building of a civilization requires both men and women. Millions of years of human existence have relied on both men and women for progress.

Again, it’s culture that tells men they are better at math or science but since the myth has been exposed for what it is, more and more women enter STEM fields with great success...


“...The researchers conclude that early experience, educational policies and culture also strongly affect success in math and science.


Other studies suggest that when it comes to math, girls and boys are similarly capable. A 2008 analysis by Hyde and colleagues reported that in children from grades two to 11, [there was no gender difference for math skills. And in 2009, Hyde and Janet Mertz, PhD, reported that while more boys than girls score at the highest levels in mathematics, that gender gap has been closing over time. In fact, they reported that the gap is smaller in countries with greater gender equality, suggesting that gender differences in math achievement are ***largely due to cultural and environmental factors***.


https://www.apa.org/action/resources/research-in-action/share


Some men have to believe they are biologically superior to women because they are very insecure. Without their male appendage they would feel utterly useless because they have nothing going for themselves outside of that... and that’s sad.

All I can say is every Nigerian man should have atleast 3 wives.
Women don’t love you. They just want the idea of having a man, a succesful man.
She doesn’t want to get married because she loves you, she just wants to get married....because her time is passing and her mates and friends are all married.
She doesn’t have a choice...she’s stuck with you because she doesn’t have the nerve and confidence to go after the guys she really wants.

So when she starts making posts thanking the stars and the moon because she found you, bros no reason am...she’s just happy to finally have all her friends at her own wedding make e no be like say na she carry last.
She has been groomed for 20+ years for this special day and it really doesn’t matter who is in suit as long as he’s presentable and has the funds.

Don't trust anybody that doesn’t have a choice.

Point of correction my argument was on maturation and nothing more. The evidence out there clearly shows women live longer than men on average. On another note, the maturation period we are talking about continues until 20 on average, and for the most part, they overlap, only that one starts earlier and slows down while the other speeds up. So if the 20 is a reasonable upper age limit in the early maturity race, then on average by the end of high school, males still would have some catching up to do, cos in general Nigerians leave high school by 17 these days. And by that a girl is matured enough for marriage. I never referred to the 'ugly' part, which i believe was out of place, so it's unnecessary to bring that up. Stay on point. . And you made another point on the issue of pressure. Yes the society pressures women into marriage, and this has been the case for a long time because until recently having kids was a source of joy, and some would consider it a divine command, given that the major religions emphasize on the importance of kids to a marriage, and the fact that the age for menopause has recessed, the pressure is a social necessity, but there have been several medical advancements which allow women to have their own kids even after hitting menopause. Given this, that social pressure is bound to wane. Besides do not make it seem as if the pressure comes from only men. A significant part of it comes from your camp: Your peers, our sisters, and mothers.

McSquishi:


This study and others is about the brain and research suggest that girls (during childhood and adolescence) have better brain optimization in certain cognitive and emotional areas. By the time they are teenagers in Highschool, boys and girls will have caught up to one another in those areas.

This has nothing to do with people of marriageable age.

He said ripen and spoke on showing signs of aging faster which was speaking to physical maturity. He later mentioned the words “old” “ugly” to further prove he was speaking about physical appearance.

So thanks for trying to win his points for him but you’re both wrong.

McSquishi:



You can’t deny my statements when there are men confirming my observation in this very thread.

There are no biological nor psychological differences that make women want to get married and men not cherish marriage. This isn’t about nature but nurture. It depends on how you are raised. And how you are raised very much depends on your culture.

What civilization have you built? You men in Nigeria can’t even build paved roads for your community, let’s be realistic lol.

The building of a civilization requires both men and women. Millions of years of human existence have relied on both men and women for progress.

Again, it’s culture that tells men they are better at math or science but since the myth has been exposed for what it is, more and more women enter STEM fields with great success...


“...The researchers conclude that early experience, educational policies and culture also strongly affect success in math and science.


Other studies suggest that when it comes to math, girls and boys are similarly capable. A 2008 analysis by Hyde and colleagues reported that in children from grades two to 11, [there was no gender difference for math skills. And in 2009, Hyde and Janet Mertz, PhD, reported that while more boys than girls score at the highest levels in mathematics, that gender gap has been closing over time. In fact, they reported that the gap is smaller in countries with greater gender equality, suggesting that gender differences in math achievement are ***largely due to cultural and environmental factors***.


https://www.apa.org/action/resources/research-in-action/share


Some men have to believe they are biologically superior to women because they are very insecure. Without their male appendage they would feel utterly useless because they have nothing going for themselves outside of that... and that’s sad.

Give me statistics of mordern women who are bricklayers, engineers, miner's, firefighters,mechanics,plumbers, truck drivers ,welders,Carpenters,and other high physical risk jobs essential for the maintenance of civilization ,rather you women troop to office jobs with safety , how dear you say you built or are even currently maintaining civilization, Nigerian men ancestors were not intelligent like white men ancestors to build early civilization but we are damn well maintaining the civilization white men built

Women throughout history and every civilization are just essential for three basic things sex ( that's why they clamor for reproductive rights unlike men because they understand the agency of their pussy, but don't care about our sperm and joysticks), reproduction and child rearing,

Women are fundamentally not built for leadership and are inherently default followers that's why most ,instinctively opt for secretary and receptionist positions due to your agreeable nature,more than the average man who mostly tends to be the head or CEO of a corporation as we are less agreeable, average performance on both genders but mostly men who make it to the top of a career ladder as we are not biologically limited with pregnancy or motherly duties that can alter a woman's career path, biology limits women in the workplace


STEM data from Egalitarianistic-Equalism Societies like scandanavian countries such as Denmark, Iceland and Norway shows that the more a nation tries to eliminate so-called Patriachal cultural barriers for women via affirmative Actions, diversity and inclusivity policies, quota policies, have widened the gender differences in these Societies and they have the poorest STEM data for women than traditionally conservative Societies , these is know as the gender equality paradox, don't ever blame culture again for the lack of interest of women in STEM fields look at bloody Finland


Men and Women are fundamentally not equal blame Nature, God, or evolutionary biology, it doesn't change facts, women are drawn to people and have great social skills than men, men are drawn to things and make use of abstractions like science and logic, these fundamental hardwired psychological facts that social constructivism and Egalitarianism humanist ideologies can't Change by systematic re-engineering of cultures via anti-patriachal legislatures


Stop blaming us and our joysticks
Deal with your innate naturally ordered inferior position and work with it as Biology fundamentally made women second class citizens essentially with nothing to offer asides sex( which homosexual men can get from each other), reproduction (as men don't have wombs) and child rearing ( you are better nurturers)

We don't need you for survival only reproduction, but you need us to continue to maintain civilization as without us and our Technology you would not survive even when you're all living as a collective

Peace081:

In one word, your mama n sisters na Animal abi??

His frustration has surpassed normal reasoning

cococandy:
Yet nairaland men won’t rest for women’s matter.

Why are we going to rest?

Who the hell would want to give up control of women bodies and pussies and emancipate them to become pseudo-masculine hybrid beasts like mordern Progressive women

We will continue to monitor them and keep them under our patriachal check using tools such as culture, religion and societal shaming mechanism
We must control pussy to satisfy our masculine mating strategy and Biological imperative

benji93:
Point of correction my argument was on maturation and nothing more. The evidence out there clearly shows women live longer than men on average. On another note, the maturation period we are talking about continues until 20 on average, and for the most part, they overlap, only that one starts earlier and slows down while the other speeds up. So if the 20 is a reasonable upper age limit in the early maturity race, then on average by the end of high school, males still would have some catching up to do, cos in general Nigerians leave high school by 17 these days. And by that a girl is matured enough for marriage. I never referred to the 'ugly' part, which i believe was out of place, so it's unnecessary to bring that up. Stay on point. . And you made another point on the issue of pressure. Yes the society pressures women into marriage, and this has been the case for a long time because until recently having kids was a source of joy, and some would consider it a divine command, given that the major religions emphasize on the importance of kids to a marriage, and the fact that the age for menopause has recessed, the pressure is a social necessity, but there have been several medical advancements which allow women to have their own kids even after hitting menopause. Given this, that social pressure is bound to wane. Besides do not make it seem as if the pressure comes from only men. A significant part of it comes from your camp: Your peers, our sisters, and mothers.

Point of correction: your argument was that this other guy was correct to say women ripen earlier than men and you shared an article about a study that briefly spoke of *girl’s* brain’s maturing earlier than boys to help prove his point even accusing me of not doing research or being properly knowledgeable.

You’re incorrect about the differences lasting through the 20’s. I’ve told you that the maturation process where girl’s brains mature earlier than that of boys is something that happens in adolescence. By the time those kids are 17 that maturity gap will have closed.

Even physically where girls enter puberty 1-2 years earlier than boys on average, they have caught up to each other by their late teens. The terms “boy” and “girl” are used for a reason, these studies have to do with kids. Not people in their 20’s.

Both men and women’s brains are considered fully developed at 25. The gender differences in maturation are not present in our 20’s, though.

I was on topic referring to the “ugly” part because it highlights that you sharing a article that briefly mentions brain maturation was irrelevant since that’s not the point the guy was making who you were hoping to defend.

Certainly, it’s not just men who pressure women. But it’s disingenuous for any man to ask why women see marriage as a major accomplishment when they themselves tell women it is a major accomplishment for us.

Peace081:

In one word, your mama n sisters na Animal abi??

Is a human not an animal ?

cococandy:
Yet nairaland men won’t rest for women’s matter.

Womdn matter the give us joy

sapphiere:
The only reason a man hides his relationship status is to deceive other girls into sleeping with him.

He needs not to hide it before sleeping with every NIGERIAN GAL

BLOODYSPERM:




Give me statistics of mordern women who are bricklayers, engineers, miner's, firefighters,mechanics,plumbers, truck drivers ,welders,Carpenters,and other high physical risk jobs essential for the maintenance of civilization ,rather you women troop to office jobs with safety , how dear you say you built or are even currently maintaining civilization, Nigerian men ancestors were not intelligent like white men ancestors to build early civilization but we are damn well maintaining the civilization white men built

Women throughout history and every civilization are just essential for three basic things sex ( that's why they clamor for reproductive rights unlike men because they understand the agency of their pussy, but don't care about our sperm and joysticks), reproduction and child rearing,

Women are fundamentally not built for leadership and are inherently default followers that's why most ,instinctively opt for secretary and receptionist positions due to your agreeable nature,more than the average man who mostly tends to be the head or CEO of a corporation as we are less agreeable, average performance on both genders but mostly men who make it to the top of a career ladder as we are not biologically limited with pregnancy or motherly duties that can alter a woman's career path, biology limits women in the workplace


STEM data from Egalitarianistic-Equalism Societies like scandanavian countries such as Denmark, Iceland and Norway shows that the more a nation tries to eliminate so-called Patriachal cultural barriers for women via affirmative Actions, diversity and inclusivity policies, quota policies, have widened the gender differences in these Societies and they have the poorest STEM data for women than traditionally conservative Societies , these is know as the gender equality paradox, don't ever blame culture again for the lack of interest of women in STEM fields look at bloody Finland


Men and Women are fundamentally not equal blame Nature, God, or evolutionary biology, it doesn't change facts, women are drawn to people and have great social skills than men, men are drawn to things and make use of abstractions like science and logic, these fundamental hardwired psychological facts that social constructivism and Egalitarianism humanist ideologies can't Change by systematic re-engineering of cultures via anti-patriachal legislatures


Stop blaming us and our joysticks
Deal with your innate naturally ordered inferior position and work with it as Biology fundamentally made women second class citizens essentially with nothing to offer asides sex( which homosexual men can get from each other), reproduction (as men don't have wombs) and child rearing ( you are better nurturers)

We don't need you for survival only reproduction, but you need us to continue to maintain civilization as without us and our Technology you would not survive even when you're all living as a collective

So not only do you believe in the supremacy of males you also believe in the supremacy of white people.

You are all kinds of messed up.

Pathetic

sapphiere:

How many female Nairalanders have you seen creating threads to seek for relationship that leads to marriage?
You men do that weekly.
So now tell me, who among the two sees marriage as a huge achievement? The men that creates threads everyday seeking for wives or the women that don't create threads?

WOMEN ONLINE IS OPPOSITE OF THEIRSELVES IN REALITY. WE KNOW THEM . THEY DNT WANA SOUND CHEAP

PoliteActivist:


You forgot this part of the bible, Genesis 5:
In the day that God created man, He made him in His own likeness. Male and female He created them, and He blessed them. And in the day they were created, He called them “man.”

Use your common sense: Do you think it is possible to have man without having woman at same exact time??
It is like saying you can have up without down; or positive without negative, etc

A woman is called MAN BECUS SHE WAS CREATED OUT OF A MAN. THEY ARE NEVER CREATED THE SAME DAY. JUST SHUT UP IF U DNT KNW WHAT TO SAY

PoliteActivist:


I quoted the bible: Genesis 5. States CLEARLY that man and woman were created same exact moment, which is the only thing that CAN make sense!

And genesis 1 vs 2 and 3 makes no sense abi ?

PoliteActivist:


I quoted the bible: Genesis 5. States CLEARLY that man and woman were created same exact moment, which is the only thing that CAN make sense!

the first creation story makes more sense