Juliusmalema:


I can't use a derogatory words against them because the documentary didn't. The documentary states clearly that though a friction exist that doesn't mean the people are divided.

TAO11:
Yorubas are people with Yoruba language and Yoruba culture.

Edos (of course including the Bini subgroup) are people with Edo language and Edo culture.

The fact that Yorubas came all the way from Ife to rule over the Binis (till date) doesn’t make the Binis one of us.

Their kings however are one of us. But the people over whom they rule remain Binis.

Cheers!

samuk:


The Benin have told you times without numbers that they are not Yoruba, TAO11 has now also told you that Edo people are not Yoruba. This we both agree on and hope you learn from this. As for the Yoruba trying to steal the Oba of Benin since the late 1800s, we the Benin are equal to the task.

The Yoruba can't just wake up in the 1800s and started writing books on how to steal the Oba of Benin as soon as they knew how to read and write, when more than 400 years of documented Benin history says otherwise.

The issue is Yoruba is trying to steal the Benin monarchy to claim every other tribes that claim Benin ancestry and we are resisting them with Benin pre colonial historical archives.

The issue is purely between a thief and the owner.

samuk:
Nigeria history of various tribes falls into two categories, pre-1800s eyewitness written accounts and post 1800s mostly fairytales which was written by the first educated Nigerians and some lazy Europeans who based their writings on latter day fairytales and were too lazy to do their proper research into archival materials of pre 1800s Nigeria eyewitness historical accounts.

Frauds like TAO11 mostly qoute and cite their sources to support their lies, fallacies, fairytales and fabrications from the post 1800s lies. They hardly cite or qoute from earlier than 1800s to support their lies.

Everyone should be guided when they see citations from post 1800s talking about historical events that supposed or claimed to have happen earlier than 1800s. If you want the authentic history of pre 1800s Nigeria, they were documented by eyewitnesses of that time, seek for their materials and read their first hand accounts not latterday manipulations.

1. TAO11 told us the Oba of Benin used to be buried in Ife pre 1800s, I have asked for the pre 1800s accounts that said so, she is yet to provide it.

2. TAO11 is repeating the lies that Benin hard relationship with Ife pre-1800s, I have severally requested for source material pre 1800s to support his/her claim, she can't find any pre 1800s historical accounts to support her lies.

3. TAO11 told us that the first Oba of Lagos was an Isheri commoner, this is contrary to the account of Oba of Lagos himself who said his ancestors was a Benin prince and eyewitness historical accounts of Lagos in 1603 is in support of Oba of Lagos position. TAO11 is yet to provide pre 1800s historical accounts to support her Isheri man.

4. TAO11 told us Oyo used to be an empire pre 1800s, she is yet to show us the pre 1800s eyewitness historical accounts to support her fairytale and fictional Oyo empire that didn't even have a European visitor until 1826, 400 years after Benin had her first European encounter.

5. TAO11 told us Ife was more than a village and the cradle of Yoruba culture that was so advanced in artworks that they taught Benin the skills in ancient times, I have requested for her pre-1800s sources but she can't provide any to support her lies.

TAO11 be warned that if you must tell a lie avoid pre 1800s Nigeria history because that era was documented and the Benin of 1400s to 1799 was particularly well documented.

Henceforth, concentrate your lies in post 1800s Nigeria because each time you dabble into pre 1800s Nigeria history, you will be requested for eyewitness sources from that period and nothing less will be accepted.

Don't come back to tell us it was you that made these claims initially and that you are just repeating they lies told by those before you. It has been brought to your notice all these claims are lies, he who makes a claim most be ready to back it up with eyewitness evidence.

You just can wake up in 2021 and start telling us some bullshit stories and claims they happen in 1550 without eyewitness historical evidence to back them up.

Your lies are for those with baby brains not matured minds like ours.

TAO11:
The fact that we ruled and continue to rule over them does not mean we are exactly the same people.

The appropriate thing to say is that the Binis are the subjects of the Ife-Yorubas.

But if you really want to call a spade a spade, you may call them slaves of the Ife-Yorubas

Cheers.

Christistruth00:


TAO11 please don’t call anybody a Slave

Just say certain Kingdoms ruled over certain ethnic groups

If the Whites have accepted that it is wrong to call Blacks Slaves or Nigers

we also need to show ourselves some respect

Fezz:


Nicely said.. you have raised good points here. I just wonder how the foreigners never documented the Benin/ife relationship for a duration of 400 years. Does it mean that emissaries between the supposed ife Kingdom and the great Benin empire didn't visit eachother during that span of 400 years?. That is a long time of blank history and it's quite suspicious.

It is obvious the yoruba revisionists started their conspiracy after the colonial masters took over the land (1897) to alter history. Thanks to the Portuguese, if not they would have succeeded in fabricating history.

macof:


Goes to show that all this is subject to sentiments for you.
TAO11 is hitting with facts and narratives proven to be traditional accounts to burst new age revisionism. I don't see how it is about personal issues.
When you are told Oba of Lagos is only distantly connected to Bini by ologun kutere 's (the current dynasty) mother being the daughter of Ado, Ado whose mother (not father) was Bini...you best believe it because that's the Awori account

Fezz:


Nicely said.. you have raised good points here. I just wonder how the foreigners never documented the Benin/ife relationship for a duration of 400 years. Does it mean that emissaries between the supposed ife Kingdom and the great Benin empire didn't visit eachother during that span of 400 years?. That is a long time of blank history and it's quite suspicious.

It is obvious the yoruba revisionists started their conspiracy after the colonial masters took over the land (1897) to alter history. Thanks to the Portuguese, if not they would have succeeded in fabricating history.

samuk:


Which facts, facts that were created by revisionist, are you even aware that Benin was already well established in Lagos as early as 1602? An eyewitness historical accounts from a Dutchman that visited Lagos in 1602 saw the place occupied by Benin army and their commanders who sent daily reports back to the Oba of Benin.

I am not interested in fairytales by revisionists because anyone can write any nonsense. Show me eyewitness historical accounts of what your are claiming.

Did you not listen to what the Oba of Lagos said himself, that the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba of Benin, who was sent to Lagos by oba of Benin? Did you not hear the Oba of Lagos song about how their forefather was born in Benin to the king. Did you hear anything about female in that video.

Listen to the video again incase you missed it before.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFYH3GAmBk

gregyboy:



Giving dem hot hot, sufrey majedem nor go assassinate you...

samuk:


They have all gone quite because it's very difficult to fight the truth.

gregyboy:



TAO11 is d one dragging their legs out, she cant still believe her lies are ending before her face, but instead to bow down she his still fighting it,

Pushing are kinsmen no choice but give her their support


One of our purpose has been archived on nairaland thanks to the covid lockdown it made history for us, our children wont be bother about the controversy anymore


Our task now is to find the origin of benin, how benin came to exist that is my main goal right now

gregyboy:



TAO11 is d one dragging their legs out, she cant still believe her lies are ending before her face, but instead to bow down she his still fighting it,

Pushing are kinsmen no choice but give her their support


One of our purpose has been archived on nairaland thanks to the covid lockdown it made history for us, our children wont be bother about the controversy anymore


Our task now is to find the origin of benin, how benin came to exist that is my main goal right now

Juliusmalema:


Good, trace una movement from Benin republic, Togo, Northern Cameroon and possibly Niger republic/chad...and Ghana...

That is because this is the only valid map to Benin migration.

Trace your sujourn from West map of Africa....ie West Africa

Thank you...

gregyboy:


Fuckofff aboki

samuk:


Which facts, facts that were created by revisionist, are you even aware that Benin was already well established in Lagos as early as 1602? An eyewitness historical accounts from a Dutchman that visited Lagos in 1602 saw the place occupied by Benin army and their commanders who sent daily reports back to the Oba of Benin.

I am not interested in fairytales by revisionists because anyone can write any nonsense. Show me eyewitness historical accounts of what your are claiming.

Did you not listen to what the Oba of Lagos said himself, that the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba of Benin, who was sent to Lagos by oba of Benin? Did you not hear the Oba of Lagos song about how their forefather was born in Benin to the king. Did you hear anything about female in that video.

Listen to the video again incase you missed it before.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFFYH3GAmBk

Christistruth00:



This is the rest of the Video that you were hiding

For the one thousandth time oba of lagos himself telling you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "Benin are not the owners of lagos” in the complete video you refused to post.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno


lagos belongs to Awori Yoruba who are 100% Yoruba or is MC Oluomo who is Awori not Yoruba again?

samuk:
I didn't know MC Oluomo owns Lagos

I thought the video was about Oba of Lagos Benin ancestral lineage.

TAO11:
You have been debunked on this time and time again. But as a typical Bini, you must be disgraced without an atom of mercy before you consider giving up fraud.

LMAO!

Oba Akiolu didn’t say a word about who owns Lagos — as he wouldn’t obviously answer a question not asked.

However, he did make mention of who is NOT the owner of Lagos as a clarification to his actual reply.

And guess who is NOT the owner of Lagos in Oba Akiolu’s own words. Take a wild guess now.

Benin kingdom is NOT the owner of Lagos in Oba Akiolu’s own words.

Do you agree with Oba Akiolu or do you disagree with him?

Nope!

Ancestral lineage comes from two key branches in case you’re unaware — the paternal branch and the maternal branch.

The interviewer specifically sought to know the details of the relationship between the Eko royalty and Benin. She didn’t say Benin is the paternal branch.

And yes, Oba Akiolu’s reply did confirm that the Benin royalty is indeed one of the two branches.

He however was completely silent on whether (or not) the Benin branch is the paternal branch or the maternal branch of the Eko royalty.

His word-for-word reply to the interviewer’s request is as follows:

(1) “The first Oba of Lagos is a male descendant of Oba of Benin”.

In other words, the first Oba of Lagos is actually NOT the actual child of the said Benin oba.

Rather, this Lagos oba is a male child descended from the said Benin oba, but through a line that was NOT specified by Oba Akiolu’s words.

His words did NOT specify the line of descent — be it the mother or the father. Oba Akiolu’s words did NOT say paternal descendant or patrilineal descendant.

His reply was completely silent on whether (or not) the Benin royalty is the paternal branch or the maternal branch of the Eko royalty. Try harder!

(2) Further to his reply to the same request from the interviewer, Oba Akiolu also quoted a traditional Lagos song (of course a Yoruba song, lol) which goes:

“••• it is within Benin City that our father’s birth took place, and his father is a king and not a commoner•••”

The child’s birthplace says absolutely nothing about the child’s paternal ancestry — the example of Eweka 1 of Benin comes to mind.

Also, the word “king” in this quoted song is unspecified to be a Benin king or a Yoruba king. In fact, Oba Akiolu’s own words already shows that it is NOT a Benin king.

In conclusion, the quoted song is also completely silent on whether (or not) the Benin royalty is the paternal branch or the maternal branch of the Eko royalty. Try harder!

(3) Furthermore, Oba Akiolu’s own words admits that the Benin king is recognized with a salute gesture during Lagos king and chief coronations.

Again, the salute gesture does not definitively indicate paternal ancestry. At most, it conveys a general sense of precedence — political or ancestral (maternal or paternal) precedence, or both.

In fact, the replication of the same salute gesture during Lagos chieftaincy coronations confirms the gesture to be indicative of a political precedence.
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On the overall, all of his (Oba Akiolu’s) replies as outlined above were in specific response to a specific request put forward by the interviewer — “Tell us about the relationship between the Eko people and the Bini”.

Christistruth00, macof.
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At this point, I need you (@samuk the fraud) to answer the following questions:

(1) Where in Oba Akiolu’s replies did he say that the Eko royalty is paternally/patrilineally descended from Benin?

(2) Which part of his replies is there a contradiction with the history of Lagos summarized below?:

• The history of Lagos does speak of Ashipa as its first king, but also sometimes recognize his son (Ado) as the first king. This is similar to Oranmiyan & Eweka 1 in Benin history.

• The history of Lagos makes it clear that Ado’s paternal ancestry is from Yorubaland. In other words, Ashipa (his father) is an Awori noble from Isheri-Olofin, Lagos.

• The history of Lagos also admits that Ado‘s maternal ancestry is from Benin City in which Ado was born and raised.

Cheers!

samuk:


You are the one making the claims, you need to show us the eyewitness historical evidence the way I have provided my sources for the first European visit to Oyo in 1826.

We no longer allow fairytales, you can't make an unsubstantiated claims and ask me to go and find the evidence.

Make your claims and provide the eyewitness evidence. This is how TAO11 lies and fairytales were shutdown.

samuk:


The first Europeans didn't visit Oyo until 1826. 1826 was the first time the Europeans visited and started documenting Oyo history.

So how can you back up your 1764 date?

If you say the Ghanaians told you this, could Ghanaians read and write in 1764 to document this war, if so please provide the eyewitness historical sources.

If this date didn't come from the Ghanaians, was it documented by Europeans and please provide the European eyewitness sources.

People dishing out cock and bull stories as history is no longer allowed, you make a claim, you will be requested for eyewitness historical sources.

Have you not noticed that TAO11 has been missing from here for days now because she can't meet this simple requirement.

gregyboy:



TAO11 is d one dragging their legs out, she cant still believe her lies are ending before her face, but instead to bow down she his still fighting it,

Pushing are kinsmen no choice but give her their support


One of our purpose has been archived on nairaland thanks to the covid lockdown it made history for us, our children wont be bother about the controversy anymore


Our task now is to find the origin of benin, how benin came to exist that is my main goal right now

Christistruth00:

Welcome TAO11

those Benin boys have been busy Singing and dancing to their Fake Historical revisionist rubbish like a bunch of Jackals and
Hyenas since Yesterday this time they have been trying to takeover Itsekiriland claiming the Itsekiri and Oyo never had any Kingdom and that Benin was the only Kingdom in Southern Nigeria

The one below claimed they had finally put you out of business and shut you down

TAO11:
It doesn’t take a genius to realize that Benin people are suffering from a strong and major delusion.

Christistruth00:


Samuk and Gregboy need urgent attention for blind Arrogant Ego disorder

They Probably think it was the Oba of Benin that birthed the Queen of England.

Let’s just Pray they never become History Teachers

samuk:
[s]••• are you even aware that Benin was already well established in Lagos as early as 1602? An eyewitness historical accounts from a Dutchman that visited Lagos in 1602 saw the place occupied by Benin army and their commanders who sent daily reports back to the Oba of Benin. •••[/s]

Fezz:
[s]I have just one question for you before I move away from your space. Mention any oba of Benin that was documented to say that Ife owns his crown or that his crown comes from yorubaland. Mention the name of just one oba and show us the document and let us forget about this topic forever.

All you do is make claims of owning the obaship of Benin Kingdom but none of the obas never claimed to come from yorubaland. Doesn't it sound funny to you.

I'm waiting....[/s]

Christistruth00:



Welcome TAO11

those Benin boys have been busy Singing and dancing to their Fake Historical revisionist rubbish like a bunch of Jackals and
Hyenas since Yesterday this time they have been trying to takeover Itsekiriland claiming the Itsekiri and Oyo never had any Kingdom and that Benin was the only Kingdom in Southern Nigeria

The one below claimed they had finally put you out of business and shut you down

Truthshots2:
[s]It is confirmed that what is happening in Warri is an attempted coup sponsored by the oni of IFA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIporKrPsbU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hU-ibkPfg[/s]

Truthshots2:
[s]The Ascension to the throne of Olu is governed by laws, Tsola's Ascension goes against those laws. It is that simple. A clear case for the courts or even the state government.
Only the Olu can suspend the Ologbotsere, so people "suspending" him without any authority to do such are fools.
The continued agression from the Oni of IFA who falsely claims to be a peace maker will soon be answered. Itsikeri, Ife is trying to appropriate your throne.[/s]

gregyboy:
OYo was never an empire busy boy

Fezz:



This statement of yoursome is very funny .. It is obvious you don't know your history. Delta is divided into 3 major groups which are urobho, ijaw and itsekiri. The igbos are settlers there and not true indigens. The benins, esans, kukurukus, urobho, Itshekiris and ijaw all sprang from the same roots known as pa idu. In other words they are all blood brothers. During migration they spread out and created other indigenous settlements in edo/delta state of today.

The igbos migrated into the edo/delta lands through trading and in search of better arable land to farm and the benins welcomed them as visitors but the igbos being whom they always are took that kind gesture and misused it by trying to claim the land they were invited into.

The difference between the Benin Kingdom and the Yorubas is that Benin descendants are all connected by blood, from the benins to the esans, down to the ekweres are all blood connected, while the Yorubas are connected by forcing their language and culture on their subjects. Most people in Yorubas land today were dumped on Yoruba soil and most of them came from seria leon, Gabon etc. The only thing that brought them together is the language known as Yoruba.