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VictorUSA:
And how can you prove your argument?

Even if I do you won't understand like the fellow on the post. I am not a researcher or deep thinker that only understand what they have researched. And if lies were added to such things, they will not know. The Bible you read a lot were removed from it and many things added. The characters have died many years back before they put it all up together. Names used were not the real names. Geography of places in the Bible are not authentic. There are many woken people who have gone into the deep to see things as it originally were. Anytime you Churchians wake up is your morning. Goodnite

bobestman:
Even if I do you won't understand like the fellow on the post. I am not a researcher or deep thinker that only understand what they have researched. And if lies were added to such things, they will not know. The Bible you read a lot were removed from it and many things added. The characters have died many years back before they put it all up together. Names used were not the real names. Geography of places in the Bible are not authentic. There are many woken people who have gone into the deep to see things as it originally were. Anytime you Churchians wake up is your morning. Goodnite

The Bible is a book that guides the spiritual life of a christian. God himself commanded that nothing should be added or subtracted from the bible. It takes only a born again christian to read and understand the Bible. If you`re not a christian pls dnt make noise. Those you claimed made a deep research, were they in existence during those times?

VictorUSA:
The Bible is a book that guides the spiritual life of a christian. God himself commanded that nothing should be added or subtracted from the bible. It takes only a born again christian to read and understand the Bible. If you`re not a christian pls dnt make noise. Those you claimed made a deep research, were they in existence during those times?

The ignorance of Christians is legendary. Funny you. The Messiah was not a Christian. His real name was not Jesus Christ. He was not part of any religion and created non. It was ppl who assumed the disciples to be Christians not what they were called -Acts 11:26. Read Acts 24:5 they were called sect of the Nazarenes cos Christ was called a Nazarene and his friends were Nazarenes not Christians. They still exists today. Rome gave you Christianity. They used it to dupe your ancestors. Let it be the way you understand. The scripture in it's true form in ancient times help ppl to live rightly but it had been altered. That's where all religion got their stories. I believed in the book and messiah. What they gave you today is the reversed. You will see when your 3rd eyes open

bobestman:
The ignorance of Christians is legendary. Funny you. The Messiah was not a Christian. His real name was not Jesus Christ. He was not part of any religion and created non. It was ppl who assumed the disciples to be Christians not what they were called -Acts 11:26. Read Acts 24:5 they were called sect of the Nazarenes cos Christ was called a Nazarene and his friends were Nazarenes not Christians. They still exists today. Rome gave you Christianity. They used it to dupe your ancestors. Let it be the way you understand. The scripture in it's true form in ancient times help ppl to live rightly but it had been altered. That's where all religion got their stories. I believed in the book and messiah. What they gave you today is the reversed. You will see when your 3rd eyes open

If i was the former victorusa, i'd have torn u 2 pieces with insults. But i cant fight 4 my God. First of all, where did get this information? I pray that you bcom a powerful preacher of BIBLE.

VictorUSA:
If i was the former victorusa, i'd have torn u 2 pieces with insults. But i cant fight 4 my God. First of all, where did get this information? I pray that you bcom a powerful preacher of BIBLE.

There is nothing wrong if you become the real Victor USA. If you are given a raw fowl now to tear in pieces with your hands, can you do that? You can't but you want to tear a human being. All your religions keep fighting for a God you have not experienced or truly know. Muslims kill for their God, you Christians insult ppl who speak against your earthly gods(pastors and others). The truth is that non of you truly know who this Sovereign Father is. Like I said earlier you must wake up from all religious lies to know the truth cos all of them are Apostate. When you truly wake up then you begin to get info no one can get thru books.

bobestman:
There is nothing wrong if you become the real Victor USA. If you are given a raw fowl now to tear in pieces with your hands, can you do that? You can't but you want to tear a human being. All your religions keep fighting for a God you have not experienced or truly know. Muslims kill for their God, you Christians insult ppl who speak against your earthly gods(pastors and others). The truth is that non of you truly know who this Sovereign Father is. Like I said earlier you must wake up from all religious lies to know the truth cos all of them are Apostate. When you truly wake up then you begin to get info no one can get thru books.

I hate arguing with a clueless person! Nonreligious people can keep deceiving themselves, basing their anecdotes on complete works of fiction. What information cannot be publicised through books? You'll preach Christ somedays.

VictorUSA:
I hate arguing with a clueless person! Nonreligious people can keep deceiving themselves, basing their anecdotes on complete works of fiction. What information cannot be publicised through books? You'll preach Christ somedays.

Have told you all you need to know. Have a nice day man.

shadeyinka:
When I can't answer questions like this, I send it to the authorities who should know better. My friends AntiChristian, Empiree and aadoiza could also be of help.
Thanks

Shadeyinka. I need your help. This Anti moniker I can't seem to respond to his post no matter how hard I tried. Is he a Nairaland mod? Each time, I try to mention him or respond to him. The bots place me in Nairaland jail.

What's the reason for this?

I want to respond to his lies defense where he falsely accused me of wrong interpretation so I can show everyone that there is no islamic concept of 70,000 after 70,000 entering into their sex paradise but one group of 70,000 or 700,000 of the ummah while the rest are forever lost.

I want everyone to see where he gets the interpretation of series of 70,000 after 70,000 from as they are from Hasan Hadiths(Not too Good Hadiths) and their double standard of accepting these Hasan hadiths but when we show them also Hasan Hadiths that are embarrassing to Muhammad. They immediately reject that.

I just can't understand why since that post. Nairaland won't allow me respond to him.

bobestman:
The ignorance of Christians is legendary. Funny you. The Messiah was not a Christian. His real name was not Jesus Christ. He was not part of any religion and created non. It was ppl who assumed the disciples to be Christians not what they were called -Acts 11:26. Read Acts 24:5 they were called sect of the Nazarenes cos Christ was called a Nazarene and his friends were Nazarenes not Christians. They still exists today. Rome gave you Christianity. They used it to dupe your ancestors. Let it be the way you understand. The scripture in it's true form in ancient times help ppl to live rightly but it had been altered. That's where all religion got their stories. I believed in the book and messiah. What they gave you today is the reversed. You will see when your 3rd eyes open

You smoke very good weed. Can you give me the number of your dealer.

While all these baseless arguments can be easily destroyed. What I am happy is that at least you don't accuse Jesus of being a Adulterer like that "last seal Prophet" whether you think Jesus is white or black. That's your business. Even in Jesus. Different people thought he was different things. That's why He asked Simon Peter who do you say I AM?

PervertProphet:
Shadeyinka. I need your help. This Anti moniker I can't seem to respond to his post no matter how hard I tried. He is a mod. Each time, I try to mention him or respond to him. The bots place me in Nairaland jail.

What's the reason for this?

I want to respond to his lies defense where he falsely accused me of wrong interpretation so I can show everyone that there is no islamic concept of 70,000 after 70,000 entering into their sex paradise but one group of 70,000 or 700,000 of the ummah while the rest are forever lost.

I want everyone to see where he gets the interpretation of series of 70,000 after 70,000 from as they are from Hasan Hadiths(Not too Good Hadiths) and their double standard of accepting these Hasan hadiths but when we show them also Hasan Hadiths that are embarrassing to Muhammad. They immediately reject that.

I just can't understand why since that post. Nairaland won't allow me respond to him.

The Hadith I quoted was also from Bukhari. How is it a Hasan hadith? Stop this lies. I am not a mode. Na your evil made them they ban you not me as you are too abusive in almost all your comments. I am reporting you for the comment above again now.

AntiChristian:
The Hadith I quoted was also from Bukhari. How is it a Hasan hadith? Stop this lies. I am not a mode. Na your evil made them they ban you not me as you are too abusive in almost all your comments. I am reporting you for the comment above again now.

You are scared of the people seeing the truth.

I can't seem to respond to you with the response on that topic.

Now, you want to report me again for saying the truth again.

AntiChristian:
The Hadith I quoted was also from Bukhari. How is it a Hasan hadith? Stop this lies. I am not a mode. Na your evil made them they ban you not me as you are too abusive in almost all your comments. I am reporting you for the comment above again now.

If only I will be allowed to drop the response that I have the Hasan Hadiths that you got the idea from.

Let me try dropping the response now to you and see if they won't place me in their Nairaland jail.

PervertProphet:
You smoke very good weed. Can you give me the number of your dealer.

While all these baseless arguments can be easily destroyed. What I am happy is that at least you don't accuse Jesus of being a Adulterer like that "last seal Prophet" whether you think Jesus is white or black. That's your business. Even in Jesus. Different people thought he was different things. That's why He asked Simon Peter who do you say I AM?

Ok

PervertProphet:
Shadeyinka. I need your help. This Anti moniker I can't seem to respond to his post no matter how hard I tried. Is he a Nairaland mod? Each time, I try to mention him or respond to him. The bots place me in Nairaland jail.

What's the reason for this?

I want to respond to his lies defense where he falsely accused me of wrong interpretation so I can show everyone that there is no islamic concept of 70,000 after 70,000 entering into their sex paradise but one group of 70,000 or 700,000 of the ummah while the rest are forever lost.

I want everyone to see where he gets the interpretation of series of 70,000 after 70,000 from as they are from Hasan Hadiths(Not too Good Hadiths) and their double standard of accepting these Hasan hadiths but when we show them also Hasan Hadiths that are embarrassing to Muhammad. They immediately reject that.

I just can't understand why since that post. Nairaland won't allow me respond to him.

You can edit your post to him by incrementing the number of paragraphs with every edit.

The NL bots have flagged your post as if you are spamming.

Shalom

MaxInDHouse:
I know of people who worship idols and name their children after their idols because it's when they bowed before that idol that they became pregnant and had the child, so they strongly believe their god answers prayers too.
To an idol worshipers whose prayers were answered when he offered sacrifices to his/her god, everything else is uncertainty!


Jesus is Archangel Michael that's why only the group teaching themselves how to work with Michael the Archangel could make LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Luke 10:17} and PEACE {John 14:27} reign in their midst! Micah 4:1-3


I didn't even talk about heaven, i said all noneJWs WILL PERISH!
Because members of all other religions can't love their fellow believers the same way Jesus did {John 13:34-35} neither can they love their neighbours as themselves! Mark 12:31
Do you think a member of your church in another country will not kill you if his/her country is at war with your own country?
Of course you guys will kill one another because your love for your country surpasses the love you have for Jesus {Matthew 10:37-39} who said you must not use weapons to settle issues {Matthew 26:52} as one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES my organization teaches me that nothing should be greater than the love i have for Christ not even the love for Race (Racism) Romans 8:35-39


Satan has completely blinded your heart {2Corinthians 4:4} do you know Gbenga Adeboye or you're just carried away with false stories?{2Timothy 4:3-4} for your information i know Gbenga one on one, i worked with him in the production of a recording i am telling you authoritatively that Gbenga belong body and soul!
Was he a born again Christian? NO! Gbenga practiced all forms of religion so far things works out the way he wants. He abandoned his first wife (mummy Ségun) to marry a socialite (Lara). All what you know about him is the lies his fellow brotherhood want you to hear in the media. And here you are talking about Truth, who taught you?

Read the Bible book of Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment.
Now ask yourself "is your FAITH built on God's word or false stories?" 2Timothy 4:4

Nobody is asking you to kill (judge) anyone but speak out on what God said about FAITH and UNBELIEF! John 3:16

As a Christian , I know I am not serving an idol . Unless you are calling Jesus an idol.

You are judging wrongly :

How do you know non Jehovah witness will perish ?
How do you know members of my church will kill each others in the time of wars ?
How do you know I don't love my neighbours as myself ?

The case of Gbenga Adeboye is another wrong judgement you are guilty of .

How do you know I don't know him ?
Do you know all his friends ?
I knew him when he was producing records for Ogo Oluwakitan Trading Co Ltd . 128 , Agege Motor Road , Mushin.
In his last record titled '' Iroyin Orun '' , he told how God showed him heaven and he saw Angels gathered to worship God .He said he was about to join them when they asked him to come back to the earth for his Bible and Hymn.
He later died 6 months or so after his first death in 2003.
I once met one of his employees who told me how generous he was which most people in the same industry can testify to .
He was a born again Christian contrary to your claim.
He had love and he was not a J W.

To divorcé a woman and to marry another is not a sin if it was as a result of adultery.

Lastly . Jesus is not an Archangel . This is why one needs to beware of you people.

Hebrews 1:5 KJV
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

I said I don't judge . How does that relate to killing ?

My main concern is for the Muslims who do not believe in the Bible.

I'll address your questions bit by bit!

enilove:
(1)How do you know non Jehovah witness will perish?

Jesus said by their FRUITS you will know {Matthew 7:16} Jesus' followers in the first century were recognized through their organized preaching and teaching program everywhere they are, today Satan blindfolded false religionsts claiming Christians that they're also preaching but are they Organized like Jesus' followers? NO!
Each of you just wake up in the morning to start shouting in the streets! Matthew 12:19
So you're not doing things the way Jesus organized his own group! Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1

(2)How do you know members of my church will kill each others in the time of wars?

The one and only group that doesn't recite the national anthem is JWs the rest do, meaning no matter what Jesus taught you guys {Matthew 26:52} when your nation is against another nation you will KILL your fellow believers due to Racism and Politics!
So where is the LOVE for Christ among you people? John 13:34-35

(3)How do you know I don't love my neighbours as myself?

If you love your neighbour you won't support one race against another (Racism) neither will you support one Politician against another because there's no way people doing this can escape the WORKS of the FLESH! Galatians 5:19-21

enilove:
The case of Gbenga Adeboye is another wrong judgement you are guilty of.
How do you know I don't know him?
Do you know all his friends?

Was he a born again Christian?
Where does he fellowship with believers?
How does he view Islam and Voodooism?
Does he believe that only Jesus can save?

he told how God showed him heaven and he saw Angels gathered to worship God .He said he was about to join them when they asked him to come back to the earth for his Bible and Hymn. He later died 6 months or so after his first death in 2003. I once met one of his employees who told me how generous he was which most people in the same industry can testify to.
He was a born again Christian contrary to your claim.He had love and he was not a JW.

With this write-up i now understand i'm chatting with a complete novice in the field of ògbóni confraternity!
Well i'll enlighten you.
People joining the brotherhood often live with certain restrictions, it's only those in the brotherhood that knows the rules given to each of their members. But no matter what help an initiate does to people outside the receiver can never grow higher than them in life! Such a person will ever remain under them unless he/she throw away whatever he/she received from an initiate and start from the grassroot or such a person join the brotherhood to receive his/her own restrictive rules.
So wise members of the brotherhood will not help you financially if they want you to make it in life because wherever their money goes the spirit trails it! I think you can develop the rest from there, i don't need to tell you all their secrets but as for Gbenga i'm telling you that he is a confirmed initiate, when an initiate stubbornly goes against given restrictions he/she is fully prepared to bear the consequences. All what he did in his last records was a farewell speech he already knows what's next!

To divorcé a woman and to marry another is not a sin if it was as a result of adultery.
Lastly . Jesus is not an Archangel . This is why one needs to beware of you people.
Hebrews 1:5 KJV
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
I said I don't judge . How does that relate to killing?
My main concern is for the Muslims who do not believe in the Bible.

Let's leave the story of that guy for now just know that he has nothing to do with heaven, he's a complete unbeliever.
Jesus is Archangel Michael and if you want to know that i think you should open a thread and invite me then let's see how much you know the real Jesus (Archangel Michael)
You don't know what Jesus meant by the statement "do not judge" {Matthew 7:1-3} most of you often quote this statement out of context.
It means stop doing things that will adversely affect your neighbour simply because of the way you perceive him/her, because the same thing will be done to you by someone else.
For instance you shouldn't conclude someone is evil and begin treating him/her as such when you don't have all the information as evidence, if you do then expect people to treat you with prejudice just as you did with your neighbour.
But telling someone something is wrong has nothing to do with judgment!

MaxInDHouse:
Was he a born again Christian?
Where does he fellowship with believers?
How does he view Islam and Voodooism?
Does he believe that only Jesus can save?



With this write-up i now understand i'm chatting with a complete novice in the field of ògbóni confraternity!
Well i'll enlighten you.
People joining the brotherhood often live with certain restrictions, it's only those in the brotherhood that knows the rules given to each of their members. But no matter what help an initiate does to people outside the receiver can never grow higher than them in life! Such a person will ever remain under them unless he/she throw away whatever he/she received from an initiate and start from the grassroot or such a person join the brotherhood to receive his/her own restrictive rules.
So wise members of the brotherhood will not help you financially if they want you to make it in life because wherever their money goes the spirit trails it! I think you can develop the rest from there, i don't need to tell you all their secrets but as for Gbenga i'm telling you that he is a confirmed initiate, when an initiate stubbornly goes against given restrictions he/she is fully prepared to bear the consequences. All what he did in his last records was a farewell speech he already knows what's next!


Let's leave the story of that guy for now just know that he has nothing to do with heaven, he's a complete unbeliever.
Jesus is Archangel Michael and if you want to know that i think you should open a thread and invite me then let's see how much you know the real Jesus (Archangel Michael)
You don't know what Jesus meant by the statement "do not judge" {Matthew 7:1-3} most of you often quote this statement out of context.
It means stop doing things that will adversely affect your neighbour simply because of the way you perceive him/her, because the same thing will be done to you by someone else.
For instance you shouldn't conclude someone is evil and begin treating him/her as such when you don't have all the information as evidence, if you do then expect people to treat you with prejudice just as you did with your neighbour.
But telling someone something is wrong has nothing to do with judgment!

Since you know the meaning of ''judge not'' , why did you judge Gbenga Adeboye by saying he belonged to an Ogboni confraternity ?

Was it a lie that he died for about 6 hours and came back alive again ?

Does any man has the power to die and resurrect again ?

It is because you don't have the Holy Spirit in you that makes you not to understand what Gbenga Adeboye meant by '' they told me to go and bring my Bible and my Hymn book ''.

It was to correct the wrong notion he had that we Christians are worshiping the same God with the Muslims and the pagans.
This was a message to the wise among we the Christians and people of other religions.

As per the the thread , I will do that when I come back from church tomorrow.

MaxInDHouse:
I'll address your questions bit by bit!


Jesus said by their FRUITS you will know {Matthew 7:16} Jesus' followers in the first century were recognized through their organized preaching and teaching program everywhere they are, today Satan blindfolded false religionsts claiming Christians that they're also preaching but are they Organized like Jesus' followers? NO!
Each of you just wake up in the morning to start shouting in the streets! Matthew 12:19
So you're not doing things the way Jesus organized his own group! Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1


The one and only group that doesn't recite the national anthem is JWs the rest do, meaning no matter what Jesus taught you guys {Matthew 26:52} when your nation is against another nation you will KILL your fellow believers due to Racism and Politics!
So where is the LOVE for Christ among you people? John 13:34-35


If you love your neighbour you won't support one race against another (Racism) neither will you support one Politician against another because there's no way people doing this can escape the WORKS of the FLESH! Galatians 5:19-21

Most of you JW don't read your Bible with understanding.

What you people are doing is a part of the work of the body of Christ and you neglected the others :

Ephesians 4:10-12 KJV
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
[11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
[12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

You people are only evangelizing .
Jesus followers were chosen to establish churches where the Holy Spirit lead them.
They were chosen by Jesus for that mission. That was why they were called apostles . They established churches which Jesus confirmed.

Do you prophecy , do you have pastors in your organization ?

How many souls have your organization converted to Christianity world wide ?

Lastly , when countries go into wars , only soldiers fight and kill .

When you people fail to say the national item , you are disobeying God .It is not for warfare only that you need to be faithful and loyal to your country.

Romans 13:1-3 KJV
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

You are disobedient people , as simple as that.

enilove:
Since you know the meaning of ''judge not'' , why did you judge Gbenga Adeboye by saying he belonged to an Ogboni confraternity?

What has judgment got to do with a dead man?
His future prospect is in God's hands not me since he's DEAD, i'm only enlightening you so that you don't continue believing cookedup story by people who don't know the truth.

Was it a lie that he died for about 6 hours and came back alive again?
Does any man has the power to die and resurrect again?

God's word says "it has been appointed for humans to die once" {Hebrews 9:27} so ask yourself "What really happened to this guy? Did he died for real? Is God's word no more reliable?"
I'm sorry for unbelievers like you, because you're easily tossed about like the sea waters! Isaiah 57:20

It is because you don't have the Holy Spirit in you that makes you not to understand what Gbenga Adeboye meant by '' they told me to go and bring my Bible and my Hymn book ''.

So he actually died, got to heaven, then sent back to come and get Bible and Hymn book because angels in heaven don't have fine songs or God's word shey?
Thank God i'm not a Churchgoer! John 8:32

It was to correct the wrong notion he had that we Christians are worshiping the same God with the Muslims and the pagans.
This was a message to the wise among we the Christians and people of other religions.
As per the the thread , I will do that when I come back from church tomorrow.

Now i know you have no faith in God's word but what's happening around you. The more you look the less you see under Satan's manipulations.
Please forget about the thread because i solely believe in God's word not in the things we are reading, hearing and seeing in the world! Hebrews 11:1

enilove:
Most of you JW don't read your Bible with understanding. What you people are doing is a part of the work of the body of Christ and you neglected the others : Ephesians 4:10-12 KJV
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
[11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
[12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: You people are only evangelizing .
Jesus followers were chosen to establish churches where the Holy Spirit lead them.
They were chosen by Jesus for that mission. That was why they were called apostles . They established churches which Jesus confirmed.
Do you prophecy , do you have pastors in your organization?

You need to study with JWs before you can know all these!

How many souls have your organization converted to Christianity world wide ?
Lastly , when countries go into wars , only soldiers fight and kill .
When you people fail to say the national item , you are disobeying God .It is not for warfare only that you need to be faithful and loyal to your country.

Souls to be won will be many because Jesus' true followers will fetch them throughout the earth but if compared to the earth's population Jesus said "it will be like what happened in Noah's day" {Luke 17:26-27} so ask yourself: how many people survived in Noah's day? Of course it's just eight souls, baptized JWs are about 9,000,000 when the world's population is almost 9,000,000,000 which means the ratio is about 1 JW to 1,000 people. Our faith in Jesus' word is solid rock because he said "it will be like what happened in Noah's day"

Romans 13:1-3 KJV
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

You are disobedient people , as simple as that.

National anthem belongs to Nebuchadnezzar and he set it up to make all the people under his empire believe in his kingdom.
According to Jesus LOVE for God and for neighbours will help sincere people become God's friends {Matthew 22:37-40} but with the national anthem the love for God and neighbours will disappear from your heart what will remain is Racism and Politics that's causing hatred in the world today.
Why do you think only JWs have LOVE amongst ourselves that surpassed Racism and Politics? John 13:34-35

MaxInDHouse:
I know of people who worship idols and name their children after their idols because it's when they bowed before that idol that they became pregnant and had the child, so they strongly believe their god answers prayers too.
To an idol worshipers whose prayers were answered when he offered sacrifices to his/her god, everything else is uncertainty!

I think if one belongs to a cult organization that we have records of their several lies, the Golden Age failures, the lies that Jesus will return on a particular certain date and these liars were terribly disappointed, failed prophecies and predictions and made Jehovah a subject of laughter amongst the heathen then i think even the idol worshippers are better than these bag carrying liars and cart sales reps of the Watchtower tract, real estate and massive donation receiving corporation who covered up over 1000 Pedophile and Child abuse cases under the two-witness rule. A group that copied the Seventh Day Adventists(Another false Teaching group with their sabbatical nonsense) so the JW cult organization copies and was actually teaching in the past that their Russell made up Jehovah lives in Pleiades. One of their several Silly Teachings that they taught as Jehovah teachings backing them with twisted misinterpreted Bible verses especially from their edited perverse Bible as authoritatively from Jehovah but always changing as a result of "New light" that their teachings of darkness is always encountering. You can be rest assured that in the nearest future when this present Overlapping Generation remnant and false no more discreet slaves and 8-men Governing Body members of the very rich JW corporation are all dead. New ones will be selected who will also switch up the Teachings more with more one-liner misinterpreted Bible verses like MaxD does here with those who are ignorant of the Word of God where they pick a word in the Bible Verse and misinterpret it while forgetting the whole of that Bible Chapter and it's context. Pleiades Story is one also you can see in Greek Mythology and folkore stories from different pagan cultures and this is what the JW organization through their Masonic founder, Russell once taught as the iron-clad truth of Jehovah. Even the idol worshippers don't blaspheme Jehovah and Jesus this much the way this Antichrist group alongside their islamic counterparts and all other Arian groups who show their hatred for true Christianity by making sure that they teach lies to ignorant Christians who don't know of their sordid history which they now actively get busy with trying to cover up always. These Jehovah Witnesses whose egyptian pagan masonic sun worshipping founder, Russell taught that Jehovah was limited to Pleiades.

It came from the Central Sun Theory, that was already debunked when Russel picked it up. A 19th century astronomer believed that the stars in the universe revolved around a central sun, just as the planets revolved about the sun. He deterimined that center was in Alycone in the Pleiades. Therefore, Russel and, after him, Rutherford, concluded that Jehovah's throne was in Alycone.

Pleiades was considered the 'center' of the universe at one time so some like Russell who also thought that God lives within the universe and time had his throne there. Witnesses changed that view sometime in the late 30s or 40s but many within the Bible Students still hold to that view.

Here are some WatchTower publications discussing Jehovah dwelling in the star cluster Pleiades . They explain that although we don't know which star or planet Jehovah lives on, he might live in the Pleiades . The first attachment is from president Rutherford in the hardbound book Reconciliation of 1928 (pp. 13-15). It says:

"The enlightened student of the Word of God knows, however, that the earth holds a place of importance in God's creation far greater than that of Betelguese or any other star or planet save alone the one which is the place of the throne of the Eternal God."

He goes on to say:

"The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleiades appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun’s planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits. It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens; that it is the place to which the inspired writer referred when he said: 'Hear thou from thy dwellingplace, even from heaven' (2 Chron. 6 : 21); and that it is the place to which Job referred when under inspiration he wrote: 'Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades , or loose the bands of Orion?'-Job 33 : 31.

The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God. For a like reason the various groups of stars, greater in size than the planet earth, must in the eyes of Jehovah be of far less importance than the earth because of the close relationship between the earth and the throne of Jehovah. Concerning this relationship the prophet of God wrote: 'The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool.' (Isa, 66: 1) Thus it is shown from his Word that there is a direct and intimate relationship between the throne of Jehovah and the earth."

Going back 3 years, an article was published in the Sept 10th, 1924 issue of The Golden Age (later renamed Awake!) entitled "Special Interest in the Pleiades " (pp. 793-794). The author includes pyramids in the discussion the way that C.T. Russell did in his book Thy Kingdom Come when he drew relationships between pyramid measurements and the various dates in his chronology (including 1914). Here is an excerpt:

"Then again, the position of the Pleiades at the time of the completion of the Great Pyramid of Egypt, 'God's Stone Witness,' is a very prominent feature of that building in the midst of the land of Egypt. For these and for other reasons Bible Students have good cause to believe that in the region of the Pleiades is located the throne of Jehovah God, the spiritual center of the universe; whence go forth the 'sweet influences' of the Almighty to the Earth and to all other parts of the starry universe."

Going back 1 more year, in an article in the Nov 21st, 1923 issue of the Golden Age entitled "Is North North, or What?" (pp. 107-108) the author says:

"From Job 38:31, 'Canst thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades ?' it has been inferred that forth from the neighborhood of the Pleiadic group there goes a sweet influence which pervades the universe. It has been assumed that this sweet influence is the holy spirit of God."

After noting the beauty of this star group and quoting astronomers indicating Pleiades could be the hub around which other stars rotate, the author quotes Bible passages about the North and goes on to sum up the theological concept as follows:

"Now as to the direction, we find that north when used in the Bible, or when omitted, has the sense of divinity associated with it. We read in Psalm 75:6,7: 'Promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south: but God [in the north] is the judge; he putteth down one, and setteth up [promoteth] another.' This use of the word north as standing for things divine runs all through the Bible. See Isaiah 14:13,14, where Satan makes his boast of his intention to be like the Most High, in the sides of the north. Thus we have a strong chain of evidence: the sweet influence, the remarkable beauty, the hub of the astral system, and the general location in the heavens at this time, all pointing to the Pleiadic group as being at or near the place where Jehovah has His throne. We think that Jehovah is a person, and that He inhabits a locality. This does not dispute His ability to extend His power infinitely in every direction."

Going back to Nov 1st,1920 in the "Letters from Afield" section of the Watch Tower magazine (p. 334), a person writing in from the field says:

"Some one asked me the other day : Suppose you should be here in 1925 what would you do? I said, I believe I will be home in the Pleiades before then; but if it is the Lord’s providence that I be here I will rejoice in the Lord and do with my might what my hands find to do in the Master’s service, not only then but throughout all eternity."

The WT discarded this teaching in 1953, but their method of doing it seems a bit misleading. They put it in the "Questions from Readers" section, and their answer makes it sound like "some" people were going around offering private interpretations of Job in relation to the star group. However, as seen above, the WT itself taught the concept including the president himself. It would be more forthright to simply say "we were wrong," but they don't. They blame "some" unnamed people.

Watchtower 1953 November 15 p.703 Questions from Readers:

"What is meant by 'binding the sweet influences of the Pleiades ' or 'loosing the bands of Orion' or 'bringing forth Mazzaroth in his seasons' or 'guiding Arcturus with his sons,' as mentioned at Job 38:31, 32? - W. S., New York."

"Some attribute striking qualities to these constellations or star groups and on the basis of such they then offer private interpretations of Job 38:31, 32 that amaze their hearers. Their views are not always sound from the standpoint of astronomy, and when viewed Scripturally they are completely without foundation. Why? Because we do not know which stars or groups of stars are being referred to in these verses. The names Pleiades , Orion and Arcturus are not the names given in the Bible. Some translations make Mazzaroth refer to the signs of the Zodiac. English translators have merely adopted these pagan names given to constellations or star groups and have inserted them in their translations in the place of the original names that appear in the Hebrew Scriptures, namely, Kimah, Kesil, Mazzaroth and 'Ayish. To just what stars or star groups these names refer we do not know today. Hence it is useless to indulge in unprofitable speculations. Incidentally, Pleiades can no longer be considered the center of the universe and it would be unwise for us to try to fix God's throne as being at a particular spot in the universe. Were we to think of the Pleiades as his throne we might improperly view with special veneration that cluster of stars.-Deut. 4:19; 2 Chron. 2:6; 6:18."

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is Archangel Michael that's why only the group teaching themselves how to work with Michael the Archangel could make LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Luke 10:17} and PEACE {John 14:27} reign in their midst! Micah 4:1-3

Notice that these puppet reparroters of this false organization whose very foundation is built on Satanism are always to quote Bible verses that when you check has no correlation to their false teachings that they are always trying to force into the Bible and this is why they had to go get their perverse New World Translation edited Bible which has gone through many edits to cover up many errors that exposes their false teachings found in the previous NWT edits. Imagine, when Satan tempted Jesus Christ. At a first glance to a passerby when Satan quoted the Old Testament. One would think that Satan was right until the very Word of God: Jesus in Flesh gave Satan back the correct word of God and Satan had to flee. Notice that when they were teaching one of their several Silly Teachings that Jehovah lives in Pleiades. They always had supposed Bible verses to back this lie. You ask yourself what happened and why they later subtly like the Satanists that the organization is left the teaching despite the fact that they once taught this as absolute truth of Jehovah.

If Jesus Christ started in this manner with the FRUIT of telling lies and always changing teachings. I would be an Atheist and would be one of the biggest critic of Jesus Christ but nope. This organization that actively represents Satan while pretending to be light are always changing. The proof of the Satanic seed that they carry. The Tares mixed in the wheat to contaminate the weak wheats of the elect of God and cause confusion. I have studied with them so I know their tricks. The problem is that you Christians today are so lazy that you don't know the treasure that the true Jehovah who manifested as Jesus has given you. Satan has raised these false organizations around you like the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons (Church of Latter-day Saints of Jesus Christ), Seventh Day Adventists that birthed Jehovah Witnesses via Nelson H. Barbour, etcetera to derail your Heavenly paths. Many of you don't invest your time in actively studying the Word. Invest in Good Hebrew, Greek Bibles. Read vastly on the History of the Disciples and throw away all New World Translation edited perverse Bibles around you. Never accept that Swine Book even for free from anyone.

You can easily tear apart the misinterpreted Bible verses that these Jehovah Witnesses will cite to confuse you and support their false teachings which like we saw with Jehovah living on Pleiades will always Change but they supported it back then with misinterpreted Bible verses. If you only even have a good knowledge of their Kingdom Interlinear 1985 and their past NWT perverse Bible. You can always see their lies.

Whenever these bag carrying pawns of the 8-men owned corporation quotes a verse which they all as usual have gone to cram off their website and online library and which these jokers call "Bible Study and independent research as directed by the Holy Spirit". Don't panic. Read the entire Chapter of what they quote you. Don't let them make you focus on just that particular line that they want to deceive you with. Look at the Hebrew and Greek Interlinear of what the Bible Verse and Chapter and compare the translations from KJV to other translations and you will get the correct context of the Bible verse and Chapter that they are trying to deceive you with. A good Bible app that you can even get on your Phone is Blue Letter Bible that not only gives you different translations. They give you cross references, Hebrew, the Greek Septuagint, the Greek Interlinear of the New Testament and also proper commentary by Matthew Henry and others who are proper trained Bible Theologians and Bible language Grammarians and not Bible illiterates like Stephen Lett, Anthony Morris, etcetera that teach these Jehovah Witness pawns all the nonsense that they present to you as "true teachings of the Bible". Christians, it is good to clap hands and dance but you must invest in studying the word. We are at war with these Satanists of different organisations who have been sent into with the GLOBAL MISSION to deceive as many that they can deceive and take away to Hell(Notice that Our God, Jesus mentioned Hell more times in the Bible but these Satanists call Jesus Christ a liar by saying that there is no Hell).

So let's take John 13:34-35 that MaxD quoted to you to try and prove that Jesus Christ is Angel Michael. Let us look at that first before touching on all other ones he quoted. First, like I told you. Whenever these puppets whose organization is built on pure Satanism quote a Verse. Go and read the whole of that Chapter to understand what exactly that place said. Many of these bag carrying and cart article pushing trolley sales reps of the Corporation don't even understand these Bible verses that they quoted to you. They just lift off from their Online library And paste at you.

So we are now at John 13:33-35. You read from Verse 1 of the Chapter. You get to even verse 32 and this nonsensical teaching of Jesus Christ being Angel Michael is already destroyed before you even get to verse 33 he quoted you because no other Being not even Angels share in the Glory of the Ancient of Days. Only the One who was in the Father and arose from the Father(Revelation 5:6-7) that is Jesus Christ. Only Him can share the Glory of Jehovah. Only Him who created even Angel Michael. So you see. We have not even started Cross-referencing numerous other Bible verses but this their false Teaching of Jesus Christ being Angel Michael is already easily debunked and destroyed.

That God the Father should be glorified in them. The sufferings of Christ were,
[1.] The satisfaction of God's justice, and so God was glorified in them. Reparation was thereby made with great advantage for the wrong done him in his honour by the sin of man. The ends of the law were abundantly answered, and the glory of his government effectually asserted and maintained.
[2.] They were the manifestation of his holiness and mercy. The attributes of God shine brightly in creation and providence, but much more in the work of redemption; see 1 Co. 1:24; 2 Co. 4:6. God is love, and herein he hath commended his love.

I am about to leave for Church. When I am back. I will deal more with all other Bible verses he quoted and the Correct context of them and not the reparroted nonsense he is saying that he copied from JW online library. You talk about all Non-JW perishing. (Bodies obviously burnt at Armageddon and the Stench filling your stomach and pleasing to the Governing Body and discreet slaves of Satan). You are the one on the way to Hell with your active cover up of an organization whose foundation of Satanism and lies are glaring that even the Blind can see. Not even some of these Pentecostal Churches have the kind of lying history behind it as the one of Jehovah Witnesses. Imagine, if Jesus Christ, Apostle Paul, etcetera were teaching in the Bible many of the nonsense that you all taught and later changed with exact false predicted dates. I personally would have been the biggest critic of Jesus Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
I didn't even talk about heaven, i said all none JWs WILL PERISH!
Because members of all other religions can't love their fellow believers the same way Jesus did {John 13:34-35} neither can they love their neighbours as themselves! Mark 12:31
Do you think a member of your church in another country will not kill you if his/her country is at war with your own country?
Of course you guys will kill one another because your love for your country surpasses the love you have for Jesus {Matthew 10:37-39} who said you must not use weapons to settle issues {Matthew 26:52} as one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES my organization teaches me that nothing should be greater than the love i have for Christ not even the love for Race (Racism) Romans 8:35-39


Satan has completely blinded your heart {2Corinthians 4:4} do you know Gbenga Adeboye or you're just carried away with false stories?{2Timothy 4:3-4} for your information i know Gbenga one on one, i worked with him in the production of a recording i am telling you authoritatively that Gbenga belong body and soul!
Was he a born again Christian? NO! Gbenga practiced all forms of religion so far things works out the way he wants. He abandoned his first wife (mummy Ségun) to marry a socialite (Lara). All what you know about him is the lies his fellow brotherhood want you to hear in the media. And here you are talking about Truth, who taught you?


Read the Bible book of Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment.
Now ask yourself "is your FAITH built on God's word or false stories?" 2Timothy 4:4



Nobody is asking you to kill (judge) anyone but speak out on what God said about FAITH and UNBELIEF! John 3:16

MaxInDHouse:
You need to study with JWs before you can know all these!


Souls to be won will be many because Jesus' true followers will fetch them throughout the earth but if compared to the earth's population Jesus said "it will be like what happened in Noah's day" {Luke 17:26-27} so ask yourself: how many people survived in Noah's day? Of course it's just eight souls, baptized JWs are about 9,000,000 when the world's population is almost 9,000,000,000 which means the ratio is about 1 JW to 1,000 people. Our faith in Jesus' word is solid rock because he said "it will be like what happened in Noah's day"



National anthem belongs to Nebuchadnezzar and he set it up to make all the people under his empire believe in his kingdom.
According to Jesus LOVE for God and for neighbours will help sincere people become God's friends {Matthew 22:37-40} but with the national anthem the love for God and neighbours will disappear from your heart what will remain is Racism and Politics that's causing hatred in the world today.
Why do you think only JWs have LOVE amongst ourselves that surpassed Racism and Politics? John 13:34-35

Nonsense and Ingredients.

Where exactly in the Bible did you see National Anthem by Nebuchadnezzar. Just imagine how your ideas are being forced into the Bible.

I will respond to this too when I am back.

Considering your lengthy epistle of a reply to my post it's obvious you've got so many things to say, but let's take it one by one.

NATIONAL ANTHEM!

The National Anthem (though not directly mentioned) was first instituted by the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar.
This man wanted all the peoples in his domain to view him as a demigod chosen by the Most High since he's able to conquer Jerusalem the city where the Temple of the Most High God was built.
So Nebuchadnezzar erected a statue of himself and demanded that at the sound of all musical instruments accompanied with trumpets everyone must bow towards this image {Daniel 3:1-5} This King called all the corulers in his Kingdom together to inaugurate this image, you'll notice that each year each country does exactly the same thing by assembling their President, Ministers, Senators, Representatives, and other public officers in remembrance of this Imaginary statue!
Now let's meditate on the purpose of anthem.
Each nation has built an image of a demigod in the hearts of their people, what is their goal for instilling this Imaginary statue in people's minds?
Well try and recite the national anthem of your own country and ask yourself the following questions:

©Would it be possible for me to act in line with this recitation and at the same time remain neutral during racial disputes? Micah 4:1-3
©What happens to the love Jesus commanded me to have for my fellow believers in other lands {John 13:34-35} if i should keep this recitation to heart?
©Would Jesus approve my faithfulness, loyalty and honesty to my own race alone when my brothers in Christ dwells in other lands?

Note that Nebuchadnezzar only wanted all those in his domain to fully support his kingdom (government) against any other rising kingdoms, so ask yourself: what is the intention of the organizers who composed this recitation and handed it over to all those under their domain?

Mr RussellRutherfo, some may allow Satan to blur their senses not to see his machinations {2Corinthians 4:4} but God's Holy Spirit is helping faithful and loyal servants of God unravel and quench all the missiles Satan is designing to cause hatred among unbelievers. Galatians 5:20
So God's people have conquered Satan in Jesus name that's why the UNITY, LOVE and FAITH permeating God's people stands unshakable! John 17:20-23
Let me tell you that with the anthems in the heart of religionsts worldwide your fellow believer in the same faith will kill you without feeling any remorse that he killed his brother in FAITH from another country {Revelations 6:3-4} that can never happen in the midst of God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses)
So if billions failed to understand what is promoting Racism globally, i'm happy to inform you that Daniel's prophecy regarding the wise that will UNDERSTAND this sacred secrets has been fulfilled in the history of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Daniel 12:10

May you have PEACE!

RussellRutherfo:
Nonsense and Ingredients.
Where exactly in the Bible did you see National Anthem by Nebuchadnezzar. Just imagine how your ideas are being forced into the Bible.
I will respond to this too when I am back.

MaxInDHouse:
What has judgment got to do with a dead man?
His future prospect is in God's hands not me since he's DEAD, i'm only enlightening you so that you don't continue believing cookedup story by people who don't know the truth.

God's word says "it has been appointed for humans to die once" {Hebrews 9:27} so ask yourself "What really happened to this guy? Did he died for real? Is God's word no more reliable?"
I'm sorry for unbelievers like you, because you're easily tossed about like the sea waters! Isaiah 57:20

So he actually died, got to heaven, then sent back to come and get Bible and Hymn book because angels in heaven don't have fine songs or God's word shey?
Thank God i'm not a Churchgoer! John 8:32

Now i know you have no faith in God's word but what's happening around you. The more you look the less you see under Satan's manipulations.
Please forget about the thread because i solely believe in God's word not in the things we are reading, hearing and seeing in the world! Hebrews 11:1

Judge yourself , is it good to speak evil of anyone dead or alive ?

Whether it be cooked up story or not , when we die , we shall know.

Hebrew 9:27 truly says we die once and after that , there is judgement.

What about the case of Lazarus that was raised up back to life after 4 days ?

What about these instances :
2 Kings 13:21 KJV
And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men ; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

Mark 5:41-42 KJV
And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise. [42] And straightway the damsel arose, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment.

How come these people were back to life after death ? How are these different from that of Gbenga Adeboye ?
Does this contradict the words of God in Heb 9:27 ? No.

The lord says :

Romans 9:15 KJV
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

And you said you are sorry for an unbeliever like me . Am I an unbeliever ? No
You are judging me wrongly because of I said a dead person came back to life , which is Biblical from the Bible scriptures above .
You better stop this your preconceived judgement .

Lastly , why shying away from the thread you suggested ?

You are not a believer, true believers stick to what they read in God's word not what people say or what demons around them are doing to debunk God's word.
For instance God's word says

And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment Hebrews 9:27

Your Prophets (including Gbenga) are saying

NO! Some do die twice!

Let's settle this first before embarking on some fruitless arguments of no benefit.
I stand with God's word! Romans 3:4

enilove:
Judge yourself , is it good to speak evil of anyone dead or alive ?Whether it be cooked up story or not , when we die , we shall know.Hebrew 9:27 truly says we die once and after that , there is judgement.What about the case of Lazarus that was raised up back to life after 4 days ? What about these instances 2 Kings 13:21 KJV
And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men ; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.Mark 5:41-42 KJV
And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise. [42] And straightway the damsel arose, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment.How come these people were back to life after death ? How are these different from that of Gbenga Adeboye ?Does this contradict the words of God in Heb 9:27 ? No. The lord says :Romans 9:15 KJVFor he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
And you said you are sorry for an unbeliever like me . Am I an unbeliever ? No You are judging me wrongly because of I said a dead person came back to life , which is Biblical from the Bible scriptures above . You better stop this your preconceived judgement .Lastly , why shying away from the thread you suggested ?

MaxInDHouse:
You are not a believer, true believers stick to what they read in God's word not what people say or what demons around them are doing to debunk God's word.
For instance God's word says

And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment Hebrews 9:27

Your Prophets (including Gbenga) are saying

NO! Some do die twice!

Let's settle this first before embarking on some fruitless arguments of no benefit.
I stand with God's word! Romans 3:4

Are you saying Jesus did not raised up Lazarus from the dead after 4 days ?

And that of Elisha did not happen ?

These are the thought provoking questions you ought to ask before concluding that someone could die see the judgment and still return back to life!
None of those resurrected gave any report about heaven or condition of people who died before them. They were dead and they never saw anyone or anything at death because God's word said:

(5)"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.

(10)Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going"

Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10

Of course they died and were resurrected they never gave any report about life in the land of the dead because there is no life after death apart from the hope of a resurrection! Act 24:15

So anyone telling you he died and saw anything in the land of the dead is speaking against God's word that says death is the direct opposite of life!

enilove:
Are you saying Jesus did not raised up Lazarus from the dead after 4 days?
And that of Elisha did not happen?

MaxInDHouse:
These are the thought provoking questions you ought to ask before concluding that someone could die see the judgment and still return back to life!
None of those resurrected gave any report about heaven or condition of people who died before them. They were dead and they never saw anyone or anything at death because God's word said:

(5)"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.

(10)Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going"

Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10

Of course they died and were resurrected they never gave any report about life in the land of the dead because there is no life after death apart from the hope of a resurrection! Act 24:15

So anyone telling you he died and saw anything in the land of the dead is speaking against God's word that says death is the direct opposite of life!

I never said they died saw JUDGEMENT and came back to life .. I said they died and came back to life.

I thought you said they never died because after death there is judgement.
You are beginning to change mouth little by little.

The book of Ecclesiastes 9 you quoted said the dead knows nothing at all , but Jesus told us that the rich man that died knew and remembered he had brothers on earth. Father Abraham also had knowledge that a prophet ,called Moses , came after him.

How come these ones knew these things ?

Between the account of Solomon and Jesus our Lord , which one would you believe ?

Thank God you now accepted that someone can die and come back alive .

What remains now is , do you believe Jesus knew what he was saying or not ?

enilove:
I never said they died saw JUDGEMENT and came back to life .. I said they died and came back to life.

You've forgotten your so called dead man (Gbenga) who came back telling you how he saw Abacha, Abiola and so many others, what about your friend who saw the founder of JWs in HellFire?
Guy, according to their testimonies they saw the judgment but came back again so how many times will they witness the judgment?

I thought you said they never died because after death there is judgement.
You are beginning to change mouth little by little.
The book of Ecclesiastes 9 you quoted said the dead knows nothing at all , but Jesus told us that the rich man that died knew and remembered he had brothers on earth. Father Abraham also had knowledge that a prophet ,called Moses , came after him.

Prophets of God (Elijah, Elisha and Jesus) prayed to God to bring them back to life, and they never said they saw anything. It's this your self resurrected deads that are saying all sorts of gibberish!

How come these ones knew these things?

Jesus wasn't talking about real people my friend, that was a Parable! None of your Pastors can know it's meaning but since you are not ready to learn you may take the Parable literally. Note that Jesus never mentioned any righteous deeds of the so called Lazarus neither did he say any evil deed of the rich man so if you think all beggars will go to heaven while all rich people will go to your Imaginary Hellfire it's OK!

Between the account of Solomon and Jesus our Lord , which one would you believe?

Both of them were inspired by God, Jesus never contradict what the prophets were INSPIRED to write remember? {Matthew 5:17} So whatever you read in Jesus' words that sounds contradicting to what the INSPIRED prophets wrote must be a PARABLE! Matthew 13:34 Psalms 78:2

Thank God you now accepted that someone can die and come back alive .
What remains now is , do you believe Jesus knew what he was saying or not?

Why would such a wonderful counselor {Isaiah 9:6} say things he doesn't know? The problem you're having with his teachings is the Parables he used. He said "no man has been to heaven before" {John 3:13} so Lazarus and the rich man wasn't a real life event but PARABLE!

MaxInDHouse:
You've forgotten your so called dead man (Gbenga) who came back telling you how he saw Abacha, Abiola and so many others, what about your friend who saw the founder of JWs in HellFire?
Guy, according to their testimonies they saw the judgment but came back again so how many times will they witness the judgment?


Prophets of God (Elijah, Elisha and Jesus) prayed to God to bring them back to life, and they never said they saw anything. It's this your self resurrected deads that are saying all sorts of gibberish!

Jesus wasn't talking about real people my friend, that was a Parable! None of your Pastors can know it's meaning but since you are not ready to learn you may take the Parable literally. Note that Jesus never mentioned any righteous deeds of the so called Lazarus neither did he say any evil deed of the rich man so if you think all beggars will go to heaven while all rich people will go to your Imaginary Hellfire it's OK!

Both of them were inspired by God, Jesus never contradict what the prophets were INSPIRED to write remember? {Matthew 5:17} So whatever you read in Jesus' words that sounds contradicting to what the INSPIRED prophets wrote must be a PARABLE! Matthew 13:34 Psalms 78:2


Why would such a wonderful counselor {Isaiah 9:6} say things he doesn't know? The problem you're having with his teachings is the Parables he used. He said "no man has been to heaven before" {John 3:13} so Lazarus and the rich man wasn't a real life event but PARABLE!

Is this a parable to you :

Luke 16:20 KJV
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

Did the Bible call it a parable ?
This verse is very clear . It says , there was a certain man with a NAME.
Also about Abraham and Moses.
If it was a parable , Jesus wouldn't have mentioned names of prophets that once existed.
You read Bible but you don't understand the Bible .

Abraham was not in heaven but underneath the earth during that period Jesus was referring to.

That is why you need to leave your JW organization and be saved because they are only teaching you people heresies.

You said ''since I don't want to learn'' . What do you mean by that ?
You are not a Christian but a Bible reader .