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Blue3k:
Why do certain people feel its wrong for Lagos to auction seized vehicles but it's right for Ondo to auction Siezed Cattle?

The offense are quite different, the situations quite different and I wonder what cows has got to do with auctioning vehicles. What is comparison for? Is cow ur means of transportation or u vandalised people’s farm with it??

ipobarethieves:
Even though we have many mentally unstable drivers,best bet is to give dem ticket/fine dem NOT auction their car(s)

We are not talking about wheelbarrow,thank you.

ABCthings:
See your head. It takes two cattle to reproduce. Meanwhile I can get more money doing uber with my car than waiting for one cow somewhere to give birth.

You are a f00l. Eeyah, I never knew it takes two two reproduce. I thought all that is needed is just one with both prick and kpekus..

dumbass..

naptu2:
..In the seventies, only the Carter(First) and Eko (Second) Bridges linked the Island with the mainland...

I know all these but do you not see this problem was created by our First Theives in Government for their convenience?

They lived on the Island and V/I while their Slave Employees lived Across the river.

The problem is starting us in the face and the solution is laughing at us, right behind our backs!

I think it is the other way round now, the solution is laughing at us in the face and the problem is dead with old age!

Blue3k:
They're both private property so it's comparable. They're both worth around the same amount depending on the age of the vehicle. I don't get why you're acting dumb. Now answer what's the logical difference between the state siezing a cow and car then auctioning?



Which state are you referring to?

The gravity of the offense is the difference. Hope Ure satisfied?


Cows have been warn to avoid certain areas we they cause destruction of other people’s properties and clashes btw herdsmen and citizens which lead to a lot of destruction and bandits use the herdsmen as disguise to cause terror in communities so yes it’s very different.

Herdsmen are now synonymous with terror so they have been banned from certain areas. It is right to seize the cows and do whatever they please with them.

For me, it's wrong!

jaxxy:
The gravity of the offense is the difference. Hope Ure satisfied?


Cows have been warn to avoid certain areas we they cause destruction of other people’s properties and clashes btw herdsmen and citizens which lead to a lot of destruction and bandits use the herdsmen as disguise to cause terror in communities so yes it’s very different.

Herdsmen are now synonymous with terror so they have been banned from certain areas. It is right to seize the cows and do whatever they please with them.

The reason you're providing isnt logical or sufficient. Anyone driving on the road knows the rules because they have a license and went to drivers education. They know better than to violate traffic laws or risk getting fined and vehicles impounded. Bad drivers kill hundreds and cause accidents that cost people millions every year. In essence herdsmen and drivers both know better, cause deaths and inflict financial cost on victims.

Blue3k:
The reason you're providing isnt logical or sufficient. Anyone driving on the road knows the rules because they have a license and went to drivers education. They know better than to violate traffic laws or risk getting fined and vehicles impounded. Bad drivers kill hundreds and cause accidents that cost people millions every year. In essence herdsmen and drivers both know better, cause deaths and inflict financial cost on victims.

U can’t compare terrorism and banditry with common traffic offense. Pls reason properly.

I’d cows were not banned in certain areas because of this growing menace of insecurity they won’t be banned.

It is not about cows the what they have been used and cause in communities.

Dtruthspeaker:
I know all these but do you not see this problem was created by our First Theives in Government for their convenience?

They lived on the Island and V/I while their Slave Employees lived Across the river.

The problem is starting us in the face and the solution is laughing at us, right behind our backs!

I think it is the other way round now, the solution is laughing at us in the face and the problem is dead with old age!

Did you see the gif with the Chinese traffic jams? Did you see people driving against the flow of traffic?
[img]https://s3/images/1444250443-chinatraffic.gif[/img]

Do you know that what happens on Lagos Island is replicated in Manhattan (that is, people come to Manhattan Island in large numbers in the morning to work and leave the island in the evening to return home)? Do you know that most major cities in the world have a business district that people go to in the morning to work and leave in the evening to return home?

Governments have their problems, but people should also learn to take responsibility for their actions.

Besides, traffic jams are not the only reason that people act in this terrible manner. Come to Alexander Avenue any day, you'll see people who are too lazy to drive round the roundabout and instead they make an illegal U-turn and face oncoming traffic. There is no traffic jam there. It's just a lack of discipline and an I don't care attitude.

jaxxy:
U can’t compare terrorism and banditry with common traffic offense. Pls reason properly.

I’d cows were not banned in certain areas because of this growing menace of insecurity they won’t be banned.

It is not about cows the what they have been used and cause in communities.

It's reasonable to compare idiots driving against traffic to the other sets of murders. Anyone who doesn't want their car auctioned should pay their fines before the state sells off their vehicle. I'm glad you don't deny the traffic offenders don't cause damage, deaths and havoc. You just want to pretend they're not so bad so we should go easy on them.

Very wrong

Blue3k:
It's reasonable to compare idiots driving against traffic to the other sets of murders. Anyone who doesn't want their car auctioned should pay their fines before the state sells off their vehicle. I'm glad you don't deny the traffic offenders don't cause damage, deaths and havoc. You just want to pretend they're not so bad so we should go easy on them.

Like u said and I stand on what I say. There is no reason to auction people’s cars. I don’t know the procedures in place b4 they auction them bt I hope there is a grace period to sort out their offenses b4 cruelly auctioning sm1 property for a Traffic offense.

Also Lagos has way too many bad roads for so long to be going extremely hard on motorists. That was even my major reason.

2ndly some motorists don’t know certain routes are one way because it wasn’t labeled.

3. Some officials setup motorists just to fine and extort them. We have heard about many of such cases.

jaxxy:
Like u said and I stand on what I say. There is no reason to auction people’s cars. I don’t know the procedures in place b4 they auction them bt I hope there is a grace period to sort out their offenses b4 cruelly auctioning sm1 property for a Traffic offense.

Also Lagos has way too many bad roads for so long to be going extremely hard on motorists. That was even my major reason.

2ndly some motorists don’t know certain routes are one way because it wasn’t labeled.

3. Some officials setup motorists just to fine and extort them. We have heard about many of such cases.

Lol you're arguing a topic you didn't care to educated yourself on interesting. Anyway the 1st excuse is for the birds. How did anybody get their license not know not to drive against traffic? The other two are reasonable and court would probably see it your way. Lastly whats good for the goose is good for the gander don't break laws whether your herdsman or motorist if you can't take the punishment.

Blue3k:
Lol you're arguing a topic you didn't care to educated yourself on interesting. Anyway the 1st excuse is for the birds. How did anybody get their license not know not to drive against traffic? The other two are reasonable and court would probably see it your way. Lastly whats good for the goose is good for the gander don't break laws whether your herdsman or motorist if you can't take the punishment.

I’m sorry I argued based on the limited information I got from the the news about auctioning of peoples personal cars which was infuriating, I didn’t do my research on the laws and it wasn’t stated in the news either.

I don’t commit traffic offenses. I’m a good citizen. Lol

naptu2:
Did you see the gif with the Chinese traffic jams? Did you see people driving against the flow of traffic?
[img]https://s3/images/1444250443-chinatraffic.gif[/img]

Do you know that what happens on Lagos Island is replicated in Manhattan (that is, people come to Manhattan Island in large numbers in the morning to work and leave the island in the evening to return home)? Do you know that most major cities in the world have a business district that people go to in the morning to work and leave in the evening to return home?

Governments have their problems, but people should also learn to take responsibility for their actions.

Besides, traffic jams are not the only reason that people act in this terrible manner. Come to Alexander Avenue any day, you'll see people who are too lazy to drive round the roundabout and instead they make an illegal U-turn and face oncoming traffic. There is no traffic jam there. It's just a lack of discipline and an I don't care attitude.

In my opinion, this is still caused by the govt! How.? If govt have been serious about prosecuting such behavior, it would have been stopped! People that follow the law, know the consequences of breaking the law! If the law have been religiously applied, people would have behaved by now

naptu2:
..Governments have their problems, but people should also learn to take responsibility for their actions....

Yes, I saw it, and in better organized rule, the traffic moves and the rulers keep it moving.

But here in Nigeria, especially in Lagos, organisation of everything is about making personal gains and not about "Doing their Jobs and delivering services owed the people"

And if you remember who were the people who commenced this one way filth?

Answer, the very same government, with their sirens and whips and death!

2 Wrongs, make 2 Wrongs requiring 2 Remedy and The Law must Still Do No Wrong! The Solution is mocking our rulers and laughing at their foolish faces!

mfm04622:
In my opinion, this is still caused by the govt! How.? If govt have been serious about prosecuting such behavior, it would have been stopped! People that follow the law, know the consequences of breaking the law! If the law have been religiously applied, people would have behaved by now

You can't put a dam across a river and expect the river to not go around it, when it cannot go through it.

The solution has always been to remove the obstacle and see if the natural good flow will not be restored!

ipobarethieves:
Even though we have many mentally unstable drivers,best bet is to give dem ticket/fine dem NOT auction their car(s)

Driving against the traffic shouldn't have any fine or ticket, those kind of drivers have sent many people into their grave unexpectedly

FarahAideed:
Do they get a solidly contested forfeiture order from the courts before selling? Or they sell under the auspice of executive order ?

Actually, the Lagos state transport reform law provides for forfeiture as the penalty for driving against traffic amongst other offenses. To my mind, this penalty is not commiserate with the offense. But what do I know, Lagos is a crazy place

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, I saw it, and in better organized rule, the traffic moves and the rulers keep it moving.

But here in Nigeria, especially in Lagos, organisation of everything is about making personal gains and not about "Doing their Jobs and delivering services owed the people"

And if you remember who were the people who commenced this one way filth?

Answer, the very same government, with their sirens and whips and death!

2 Wrongs, make 2 Wrongs requiring 2 Remedy and The Law must Still Do No Wrong! The Solution is mocking our rulers and laughing at their foolish faces!

The solution is mocking our rulers and laughing at their foolish faces while people are being killed by irresponsible drivers that drive against the flow of traffic. Mocking the government will comfort the families of the bereaved I guess. It will provide comfort to people like me that have almost been knocked down by such irresponsible people, I'm sure. It will comfort the family of the Yabatech student that was killed by the deputy governor's motorcade that was going against the flow of traffic on Herbert Macaulay Way in 2000. I'm going to stop arguing with you because I do not believe that you are taking this thing seriously. Did you read what the chief justice of Lagos said about the girl that was killed by a one way driver in Lekki? It seems like you do not care.

naptu2:
This is my 2019 post on this issue (it incorporates some of my previous posts).

This practice began with the Lagos Traffic Law of 2012.
http://www.nigeria-law.org/Legislation/Laws%20of%20the%20States/Lagos%20State/Lagos%20State%20Road%20Traffic%20Law%202012.pdf

1) Judicial processes: My opposition to the practice stemmed from the fact that the state authorities were auctioning vehicles without going through judicial processes. Vehicles were impounded, the Task Force waited for 2 months and then they auctioned the vehicles. These processes could obviously easily have been abused.

However, after several people went to court and successfully challenged the government’s practice of issuing fines and auctioning vehicles, the government modified the process and now they actually get a court order before auctioning the vehicles.

2) Harshness: Several people (including many Nairalanders) complained that the penalty was way too harsh. “How can you lose your car just because of a traffic offence?” they complained.

The government’s response was that road traffic offences were very serious issues and many people had lost their lives because of them. They said that fines do not work because many people see the fines as no big deal and they even break the law because they know that all they need to do is pay money. They also said that the constant devaluation of the naira ensures that fines are not a good deterrent.

It reminded me of what someone told me about a popular Lagos socialite. This man was very famous/infamous in the early 1990s and he was known for his extravagant displays of wealth. A friend told me that the man was also quite infamous in London too. He said that the man was fond of parking his Rolls Royce in no-parking zones and leaving the fine tucked beneath the windshield wiper.

This famous joke further illustrates the point.

A blonde walks into a bank in New York City and asks for the loan officer. She says she's going to Europe on business for two weeks and needs to borrow $5,000. The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so the blonde hands over the keys to a new Rolls Royce. The car is parked on the street in front of the bank; she has the title, and everything checks out. The bank agrees to accept the car as collateral for the loan. The bank's president and its officers all enjoy a good laugh at the blonde for using a $250,000 Rolls as collateral against a $5,000 loan. An employee of the bank then drives the Rolls into the bank's underground garage and parks it there. Two weeks later, the blonde returns and repays the $5,000 and the interest, which comes to $15.41. The loan officer says, "Miss, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely; but we are a little puzzled. We checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire. What puzzles us is – why would you bother to borrow $5,000?" The blond replies....."Where else in New York City can I park my car for two weeks for only $15.41 and expect it to be there when I return?"

It was this same argument that played out in the early 2000s when the government decided that people that violated traffic laws must undergo psychiatric examination at their own expense.

3) Awareness: A lot of people complained that the government is only interested in making a profit from this practice. They say that government often changes the status of roads arbitrarily. For example, Ikoyi Club Road was once a two-way street, but it suddenly became a one-way street and the public was not informed of this change and many people ended up falling into LASTMA’s traps. People also complained that there were no signs to indicate that streets were one-way streets and to indicate the direction that cars should be travelling. They said that, even when there are signs, they are usually put in obscure positions where motorists would not easily see them (for example, a sign was eventually erected on Ikoyi Club Road, but it was erected right behind the branches of a tree, so motorists could not easily see it).

In response to these complaints, the Fashola administration published a list of one-way streets and also promised to erect signs to indicate which streets were one-way streets. This was done initially, but it was not sustained. A Nairalander created a thread so that people could list all the one-way streets in Lagos, as a means of warning people. https://www.nairaland.com/1019021/list-one-way-roads-lagos

Therefore, the justified criticism is that people could lose their vehicles simply because they went the wrong way down a street that they genuinely did not know was a one-way street.

4) Privilege: Some people complained about the people that they believed would be exempt from punishment. They said that bullion vans, danfo buses, personnel of the armed forces and the police and motorcades of government officials would not be punished for driving against the flow of traffic and that these people are the biggest offenders.

However, one of the first vehicles to be apprehended under the law was a bullion van.
Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck
https://www.nairaland.com/1054108/lagos-auction-seized-bullion-van

Danfo buses were also not immune.

Lagos Taskforce Police Impounds 20 Danfo Buses in June
https://allafrica.com/stories/201506291363.html


And Governor Fashola famously arrested military officials that were driving on the BRT lane or driving against the flow of traffic.

The major bone of contention was the motorcades of other state governors and Federal Government officials. The Lagos State Traffic Law 2012 regulates the use of sirens and flashing lights in Lagos and one of the reasons for the inclusion of that section is this horrifying incident between the motorcade of the Imo State governor and a woman and her two little kids on Kingsway Road in Lagos.
https://www.nairaland.com/113341/woman-beaten-up-convoy-front
https://www.nairaland.com/114714/power-drunk-governor-irresponsible-mother
https://www.nairaland.com/136829/indecent-assault-mrs-udoudo-imo

Governor Fashola issued a warning to visiting government officials that they must obey the traffic law, but, of course, this was never enforced.

naptu2:
I have been on the receiving end of this thing twice.


Last year I had to assist a relative of mine to buy back her car because her driver stupidly drove against the flow of traffic. In 2005 I followed someone to search for his car after LASTMA towed it away. It still hasn't, wouldn't and can't make me go against the policy. In fact, it was last year when I discovered that people can buy back their vehicles at the auction that I became convinced that crushing the cars is the right way to go.

This is not about supporting any government. I have a right to move around Lagos without some lunatic trying to kill me by driving against the flow of traffic and I will fully support anything that protects that right.

GidiParrot:
On her part, the Chief Judge of Lagos State, Justice Olufunmilayo Atilade said with the launch of the Mobile Court, the era of recklessness and lawlessness on Lagos roads were gone for good, as no government would fold its arms and watch the violation of traffic and environmental laws.

Justice Atilade, who lamented the death of a 25-year-old British Nigerian graduate, Doyin Serah Fagbenro who was killed by a reckless Danfo Driver about three weeks ago in Lekki-Ajah area of Lagos, said the story of the victim was just one of the many deaths occurring as a result of reckless driving and indiscipline.

“This must not be allowed to continue. Let it be known to all that the era of recklessness and impunity on our public roads and highways in Lagos State is gone. Those who chose to make life difficult for other people especially on our roads should have a rethink as they will henceforth be held accountable for their deeds,” Justice Atilade warned.



http://www.lasgidionline.com.ng/2016/02/lagos-state-government-launches-mobile.html

This is my last post to you.

Very wrong. It leaves room for abuse of that law. Those devils in lastma have been known to deceive motorists into making errors and they pounce and seize their cars. Heavy fines should be given instead.

PoshTraveler:
ANOFIA...THEY ARE VERY RIGHT FOR SELLING PEOPLE'S CARS THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW IT WAS GOTTEN. SOME PEOPLE JUST COME TO THE PUBLIC AND ASK QUESTIONS WITH THEIR BRAIN DISCONNECTED FROM THEIR MOUTH. ANUMANU

Before making a grievous offense of driving against traffic, you should think of the consequences. Majority of Nigerians are idiots and a reflection of the leaders we have. Do you know you can actually ruin people’s lives for driving against traffic? Killing other people in the process and inflicting a never-ending pain on their families because you can’t be patient. That’s the selfishness we are talking about. Auctioning a vehicle of a traffic offender is even being nice. The vehicle should be crushed, the owner should be made to pay the cost of it being crushed and made to watch it being crushed. That way, those who have chosen to be mad on the road would drastically reduce!

naptu2:
The solution is mocking our rulers and laughing at their foolish faces while people are being killed by irresponsible drivers that drive against the flow of traffic. Mocking the government will comfort the families of the bereaved I guess. It will provide comfort to people like me that have almost been knocked down by such irresponsible people, I'm sure. It will comfort the family of the Yabatech student that was killed by the deputy governor's motorcade that was going against the flow of traffic on Herbert Macaulay Way in 2000. I'm going to stop arguing with you because I do not believe that you are taking this thing seriously. Did you read what the chief justice of Lagos said about the girl that was killed by a one way driver in Lekki? It seems like you do not care.
This is my last post to you.

I am very serious about it but I am even more serious that Proper and Right "Just is", be Done!
If You Would Be Fair, YOU WOULD SEE THAT YOU HAVE DEPARTED FROM THE ISSUE OF THE "JUST IS" OR INJUSTICE OF PUNISHING TRAFFIC OFFENDERS BY TAKING AWAY Their Property And Selling Them AND KEEPING THE PROCEEDS OF SALE, WITH A SMILE for a traffic situation, caused by these same thieves"punishers".

TO THE KILLING OF PERSONS BY ONE WAY OFFENDERS, WHICH IS NOT THE ARGUMENT, AND THIS HAS EVEN BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

For when there is a death, the Offender is in a worse position liable for Serious "Damages" (Compensation) to the family of the Deceased, like every other Harm, and Imprisonment as was done to Ibinabo Miss MBGN, and she was not driving against traffic.

So using going on about the death of a Victim and harm occasioned by traffic offenders is totally unnecessary for in those situation, the matter gets aggravated and "Just is" will been done and is being done.

The same situation applies to Accidents too but you have not clamoured that all Causers of Accident should be "Sold" as Slaves or "Crushed" or their personal Properties taken away and sold and the Proceeds of Sale kept with a Smile and a Bottle of Champagne.!

This is a perfect case In violation of The Law of Fair Hearing and Equity to wit "You Can Not Be A Judge In Your Own Cause", "Nemo Judex in Causa Sua"!

The Mobile Court's are not Courts, They are simply "Alausa" on wheels! Raised to do the Will of Alausa to Declare that your Property has been Stolen from you. "Just is" will not be given there.

The Law Can Not be used to Steal or Do Any Bad or Wrong Thing! That is Unlawful Ab initio!

How did I manage to be in same country with these kind of people. Why una the compare cow and car. Bro cow shouldn't be allowed to roam around public because they are livestock and personal farm. My God . Who do us. If your neighbour allow his goat to eat up vegetables will be happy? For God sake livestock is the responsibility of the owner to provide shelter for them and keep them within his farm because it's a private business and a national law need to be passed on this to cub this rubbish. But the uneducated morons we have up there will never do that because of the toes they'll step on. Of want to own a cow you should buy a piece of land to herd it. Same as people that owns poultry have their fame. Why can't herders have their own farm, is it because it's a business from one particular region?

OlujobaSamuel:
Mobile Court can try offenders and convict them, no doubt about that, but they can't declare that item of value be auctioned off, a superior court otherwise known as court of records are vested with such power.
Imagine such asset is tied to a loan? What will happen?
If such should go viral, that is, other states going same route, someone will definitely challenge it in court and we are going to see the true stance of the law.

But the punishment for such an offense has been stated clearly in 5he Lagos State Traffic and Other Offense Law.

unitysheart:
But the punishment for such an offense has been stated clearly in 5he Lagos State Traffic and Other Offense Law.

The court will determine if such law is legal/justifiable.
Do you know that the electoral act we are currently using has a section that states that court can't determine the winner of an election, but that part was declared to be void by a FHC and the ruling wasn't appealed till date, that is the reason why court is still declaring winner of an election.
So a suit might result to a ruling nullifying that aspect of the law, because the bill was passed doesn't make it legal, it's just like the case of Hisbah destroying people's business in the name of Sharia law, it can't stand the test of the law of challenge at the court, but no one is ready for that due to some interest, most especially, political interest.

Is Lagos the only state in Nigeria..?

ORIJIN201:
Before making a grievous offense of driving against traffic, you should think of the consequences. Majority of Nigerians are idiots and a reflection of the leaders we have. Do you know you can actually ruin people’s lives for driving against traffic? Killing other people in the process and inflicting a never-ending pain on their families because you can’t be patient. That’s the selfishness we are talking about. Auctioning a vehicle of a traffic offender is even being nice. The vehicle should be crushed, the owner should be made to pay the cost of it being crushed and made to watch it being crushed. That way, those who have chosen to be mad on the road would drastically reduce!

nice, please what business or work do you do for a living?

OlujobaSamuel:
The court will determine if such law is legal/justifiable.
Do you know that the electoral act we are currently using has a section that states that court can't determine the winner of an election, but that part was declared to be void by a FHC and the ruling wasn't appealed till date, that is the reason why court is still declaring winner of an election.
So a suit might result to a ruling nullifying that aspect of the law, because the bill was passed doesn't make it legal, it's just like the case of Hisbah destroying people's business in the name of Sharia law, it can't stand the test of the law of challenge at the court, but no one is ready for that due to some interest, most especially, political interest.

Make somebody appeal against the rule na. Let's test the waters.

unitysheart:
Make somebody appeal against the rule na. Let's test the waters.

Abi oo, for now, Na those wey no obey go dey count loss