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Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by Blue3k(m): 4:03pm On Apr 23
Why do certain people feel its wrong for Lagos to auction seized vehicles but it's right for Ondo to auction Siezed Cattle?

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by FarahAideed: 4:10pm On Apr 23
Do they get a solidly contested forfeiture order from the courts before selling? Or they sell under the auspice of executive order ?

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by helinues: 4:11pm On Apr 23
shocked

Cow and Car comparison

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by Blue3k(m): 4:21pm On Apr 23
helinues:
shocked

Cow and Car comparison
dandollaz:

For you want to compare cow and cattle.Why I'm I in this country.
jaxxy:


The offense are quite different, the situations quite different and I wonder what cows has got to do with auctioning vehicles. What is comparison for? Is cow ur means of transportation or u vandalised people’s farm with it??


They're both private property so it's comparable. They're both worth around the same amount depending on the age of the vehicle. I don't get why you're acting dumb. Now answer what's the logical difference between the state siezing a cow and car then auctioning?

FarahAideed:
Do they get a solidly contested forfeiture order from the courts before selling? Or they sell under the auspice of executive order ?

Which state are you referring to?

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by OlujobaSamuel: 4:22pm On Apr 23
Yes, I think it is legally wrong.
No one should dispose off another party asset except through the order of a court(superior court) that is, high court or its equivalent with a temporary forfeiture and final forfeiture order obtained by the relevant agency.
This applies to cow, car, house, jewellery and any other item of value. But this is Naija, we operate by law of the rulers, so every ruler determines the law to follow, if Na lie, ask the Terrorist in Chief

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by blamingthedevil: 4:23pm On Apr 23
It is the law of Lagos State.



Being wrong does not exist

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by naptu2: 4:26pm On Apr 23
The issue of the courts has been resolved a long time ago.


Many years ago, when Fashola was governor, someone sued LASTMA and the courts declared that LASTMA has no right to impose punishments like fines and forfeitures. Therefore, what happens at the moment is that there are mobile courts all over the place where you will be tried if you commit a road traffic offence. However, you can chose to wave your right to trial and instead pay the fine or face whatever punishment that is prescribed. In doing so you have agreed to settle out of court.

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by naptu2: 4:29pm On Apr 23
superior1:
LASTMA can’t impose fine on traffic offenders – Court
On September 22, 2011 · In News

By INNOCENT ANABA
LAGOS- Justice Okon Abang of the Federal High Court, Lagos, has declared that Lagos State Traffic Management Authority, LASTMA, lacks the power to impose fine on traffic offenders.

Delivering judgment in the suit filed by Mr. Jonathan Odutola, Justice Abang declared that sections 9, 11, 12 and 13 of the law establishing LASTMA is unconstitutional and of no effect.

The judge not only awarded N500,000 against LASTMA, but stated that the four sections of its law were contrary to Section 36 of the Constitution, which gives the right of fair- hearing to every Nigerian.

He held that while LASTMA has the power to arrest traffic offenders, it does not have the powers to impose fine on them, adding that instead, it is a court of law that has power to impose fine on anybody who contravenes the law.

The judge submitted that the imposition of fine on any traffic offender by LASTMA amounted to being a judge in its own cause.

He said: “Sections 9, 11, 12, and 13 of the law establishing LASTMA is unconstitutional. It is against the spirit of the Section 36 of the Constitution, which gives right of fair-hearing to every Nigerian. Moreover, that would amount to being a judge in your own cause.”

Odutola had dragged LASTMA to court for unlawfully impounding his car and imposing and slamming an illegal fine on him.

In the suit, he stated that last March, while driving his car on Third Mainland Bridge, it suddenly developed some mechanical problems.

According to him, to ensure that the car did not obstruct free flow of traffic, he immediately called a towing-van which towed the vehicle completely out of the road.

He said he also paid towing-van operator some money for the service rendered.

Odutola stated that he also called his mechanics to come and rescue him and the vehicle, adding that as soon as the mechanics arrived, some policemen patrolling the bridge who apparently wanted him to give them money refused them to work on the car.

When he insisted, Odutola and the mechanics were thoroughly beaten and harassed.

The policemen then called LASTMA officials at Sura, Lagos Island, who immediately came and towed the applicant’s car to their office and consequently slammed him with a fine if he must get his car back.

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by FarahAideed: 4:30pm On Apr 23
Blue3k:


They're both private property so it's comparable. They're both worth around the same amount depending on the age of the vehicle. I don't get why you're acting dumb. Now answer what's the logical difference between the state siezing a cow and car then auctioning?



Which state are you referring to?

Both car and cow auctioning states
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by naptu2: 4:30pm On Apr 23
GidiParrot:
The Lagos State Government on Friday inaugurated the Special Offences (Mobile) Court to summarily deal with growing cases of traffic and environmental abuses in the state with the view to bring sanity and civility in the conduct of residents.

The Mobile Court, which will be manned by highly-qualified Magistrates of the State Judiciary, will summarily try cases involving traffic and environmental offenders.

Speaking at the inauguration ceremony held at the Lagos State High Court in Ikeja, the State Attorney General and Commissioner for Justice, Mr. Adeniji Kazeem said the launch of the Mobile Court, was one of the ways through which the administration of Governor Akinwunmi Ambode aims to broaden the pathway that guaranty citizens’ access to justice and at the same time ensure the preservation of civility in the society.

He said the development was an institutional reaction to identified societal challenges, and that henceforth traffic offenders such as motorcyclists who drive against traffic and refused to obey traffic signs like zebra crossing and traffic light indication, would no longer find it easy to get away with commission of such crimes in the state.


He also said commercial bus drivers popularly known as Danfo Drivers on motion with their doors open thereby endangering lives of those of their passengers and other road users, would equally be prosecuted before the Mobile Court, while anyone crossing the highway where pedestrian bridges are provided, would equally face trial.

Kazeem, who disclosed that henceforth driving on Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) lanes of non-designated vehicles by anyone including military personnel, would attract prosecution before the Mobile Court, also warned people to desist from parking at undesignated places and indulging in noise pollution and street trading among others, saying such offences would be handled by the court.

He added: “These set of offences appear to be so simple but the reduction of its commission I believe is a major yardstick in determining how much we have progressed as a civilized society.
“It may seems simple, but its significance and expected impact to the society is a lot more profound,” Kazeem said.

Speaking on the importance of the event, the Attorney General said: “This event is even more momentous because It is a symbolic indication of some of the most important policies of Governor Akinwunmi Ambode’s administration on law and order which rest on the premise that no society will thrive in an atmosphere of lawlessness and disorder.


“This administration recognize that as Africa’s fastest growing mega city, law and order are critical pillars for sustaining democratic life. The state government has dedicated an enormous amount of manpower and financial resources in seeking better living standard by provision of roads, drainages and transportation system to mention but a few and it has enacted traffic and environmental laws to ensure the state remains environmentally friendly all the time.

“Yet some have chosen or deliberately refused to obey these laws. This is not entirely surprising as the history of mankind as shown that obedience to societal laws has never been entirely voluntary. Therefore, prompt and fair adjudication as well as the certainty of enforcement and penalties constitute the necessary inducement for respect and obedience of laws. For most people, where justice is delayed or denied, the victim is bound to feel some frustration, outrage or even further disrespect for law and order and if the same trend is allowed to take whole the very basis of an orderly society wears out gradually and steadily,” he said.

On her part, the Chief Judge of Lagos State, Justice Olufunmilayo Atilade said with the launch of the Mobile Court, the era of recklessness and lawlessness on Lagos roads were gone for good, as no government would fold its arms and watch the violation of traffic and environmental laws.

Justice Atilade, who lamented the death of a 25-year-old British Nigerian graduate, Doyin Serah Fagbenro who was killed by a reckless Danfo Driver about three weeks ago in Lekki-Ajah area of Lagos, said the story of the victim was just one of the many deaths occurring as a result of reckless driving and indiscipline.

“This must not be allowed to continue. Let it be known to all that the era of recklessness and impunity on our public roads and highways in Lagos State is gone. Those who chose to make life difficult for other people especially on our roads should have a rethink as they will henceforth be held accountable for their deeds,” Justice Atilade warned.

The special Offences court was established in 1994 to try essentially environmental Offences and it has been vested with powers to sit in any convenient place close to the scene of commission of any offence triable by it.
Though summary in nature, the proceedings before the Mobile Court will be operated in according with rules of natural justice and fair hearing.

There will be lawyers from the office of the Public Defender for any defendant who so desires to be defended, while defendants can also appoint any lawyer of their choice to defend them.

http://www.lasgidionline.com.ng/2016/02/lagos-state-government-launches-mobile.html

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by naptu2: 4:33pm On Apr 23
However, I believe that vehicles that are arrested for driving against the flow of traffic should be crushed rather than auctioned.

I also believe that the government should put up more road signs like the Fashola Administration did.

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by Blue3k(m): 4:35pm On Apr 23
naptu2:
However, I believe that vehicles that are arrested for driving against the flow of traffic should be crushed rather than auctioned.

I also believe that the government should put up more road signs like the Fashola Administration did.

Dude why spam the thread twice? You don't need to post a whole article to explain your point. Just type out relevant quotes or simply type relevant info then link the thread.

Crushing vehicles would be wasteful and dumb. There's no reason to destroy a perfectly good asset especially when selling the car would net more than selling scap metal.


FarahAideed:


Both car and cow auctioning states

Lagos has the laws on their books and people can go to court. Ondo said they're going to start auctioning cattle soon.

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by naptu2: 4:40pm On Apr 23
naptu2:
In "saner climes" like Australia, not only is the car impounded, but it is crushed.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/police-resume-car-crushing-in-a-bid-to-deter-dangerous-drivers-and-repeat-offenders/news-story/a11806dccd86ec5198bbfe14d7b8db09

This also happens in the United States.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna19339955


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T2YamA2h28


Auctioning the cars gives crazy people the chance to buy back their cars.

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by naptu2: 4:41pm On Apr 23
naptu2:


Anyone caught driving against the flow of traffic on Third Mainland Bridge should have his car crushed and he should be forced to pay the cost of crushing it.
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by naptu2: 4:42pm On Apr 23
naptu2:


LASTMA's General Manager caught these ones driving against traffic on Third Mainland Bridge last week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEKOuFGMrc

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by Blue3k(m): 4:45pm On Apr 23
blamingthedevil:
It is the law of Lagos State.
Being wrong does not exist

Weird logic but that's alright. Laws are written by angels so wrong can't exist.

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by naptu2: 4:50pm On Apr 23
naptu2:
This is my 2019 post on this issue (it incorporates some of my previous posts).

This practice began with the Lagos Traffic Law of 2012.
http://www.nigeria-law.org/Legislation/Laws%20of%20the%20States/Lagos%20State/Lagos%20State%20Road%20Traffic%20Law%202012.pdf

1) Judicial processes: My opposition to the practice stemmed from the fact that the state authorities were auctioning vehicles without going through judicial processes. Vehicles were impounded, the Task Force waited for 2 months and then they auctioned the vehicles. These processes could obviously easily have been abused.

However, after several people went to court and successfully challenged the government’s practice of issuing fines and auctioning vehicles, the government modified the process and now they actually get a court order before auctioning the vehicles.

2) Harshness: Several people (including many Nairalanders) complained that the penalty was way too harsh. “How can you lose your car just because of a traffic offence?” they complained.

The government’s response was that road traffic offences were very serious issues and many people had lost their lives because of them. They said that fines do not work because many people see the fines as no big deal and they even break the law because they know that all they need to do is pay money. They also said that the constant devaluation of the naira ensures that fines are not a good deterrent.

It reminded me of what someone told me about a popular Lagos socialite. This man was very famous/infamous in the early 1990s and he was known for his extravagant displays of wealth. A friend told me that the man was also quite infamous in London too. He said that the man was fond of parking his Rolls Royce in no-parking zones and leaving the fine tucked beneath the windshield wiper.

This famous joke further illustrates the point.

A blonde walks into a bank in New York City and asks for the loan officer. She says she's going to Europe on business for two weeks and needs to borrow $5,000. The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so the blonde hands over the keys to a new Rolls Royce. The car is parked on the street in front of the bank; she has the title, and everything checks out. The bank agrees to accept the car as collateral for the loan. The bank's president and its officers all enjoy a good laugh at the blonde for using a $250,000 Rolls as collateral against a $5,000 loan. An employee of the bank then drives the Rolls into the bank's underground garage and parks it there. Two weeks later, the blonde returns and repays the $5,000 and the interest, which comes to $15.41. The loan officer says, "Miss, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely; but we are a little puzzled. We checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire. What puzzles us is – why would you bother to borrow $5,000?" The blond replies....."Where else in New York City can I park my car for two weeks for only $15.41 and expect it to be there when I return?"



It was this same argument that played out in the early 2000s when the government decided that people that violated traffic laws must undergo psychiatric examination at their own expense.

3) Awareness: A lot of people complained that the government is only interested in making a profit from this practice. They say that government often changes the status of roads arbitrarily. For example, Ikoyi Club Road was once a two-way street, but it suddenly became a one-way street and the public was not informed of this change and many people ended up falling into LASTMA’s traps. People also complained that there were no signs to indicate that streets were one-way streets and to indicate the direction that cars should be travelling. They said that, even when there are signs, they are usually put in obscure positions where motorists would not easily see them (for example, a sign was eventually erected on Ikoyi Club Road, but it was erected right behind the branches of a tree, so motorists could not easily see it).

In response to these complaints, the Fashola administration published a list of one-way streets and also promised to erect signs to indicate which streets were one-way streets. This was done initially, but it was not sustained. A Nairalander created a thread so that people could list all the one-way streets in Lagos, as a means of warning people. https://www.nairaland.com/1019021/list-one-way-roads-lagos

Therefore, the justified criticism is that people could lose their vehicles simply because they went the wrong way down a street that they genuinely did not know was a one-way street.

4) Privilege: Some people complained about the people that they believed would be exempt from punishment. They said that bullion vans, danfo buses, personnel of the armed forces and the police and motorcades of government officials would not be punished for driving against the flow of traffic and that these people are the biggest offenders.

However, one of the first vehicles to be apprehended under the law was a bullion van.
Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck
https://www.nairaland.com/1054108/lagos-auction-seized-bullion-van

Danfo buses were also not immune.

Lagos Taskforce Police Impounds 20 Danfo Buses in June
https://allafrica.com/stories/201506291363.html


And Governor Fashola famously arrested military officials that were driving on the BRT lane or driving against the flow of traffic.

The major bone of contention was the motorcades of other state governors and Federal Government officials. The Lagos State Traffic Law 2012 regulates the use of sirens and flashing lights in Lagos and one of the reasons for the inclusion of that section is this horrifying incident between the motorcade of the Imo State governor and a woman and her two little kids on Kingsway Road in Lagos.
https://www.nairaland.com/113341/woman-beaten-up-convoy-front
https://www.nairaland.com/114714/power-drunk-governor-irresponsible-mother
https://www.nairaland.com/136829/indecent-assault-mrs-udoudo-imo

Governor Fashola issued a warning to visiting government officials that they must obey the traffic law, but, of course, this was never enforced.

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by parzdor(m): 5:12pm On Apr 23
No
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by OmovuduTheBeast(f): 5:12pm On Apr 23
Na wa!
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by design104: 5:12pm On Apr 23
Hmmm.

I believe enough time should be given to people who have had their property seized before it's auctioned out.
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by GracefulBunmi(m): 5:12pm On Apr 23
Baba!
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by ipobarethieves: 5:13pm On Apr 23
sad Even though we have many mentally unstable drivers,best bet is to give dem ticket/fine dem NOT auction their car(s)

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by West1side: 5:13pm On Apr 23
We must not foolishly copy everything done by the white. What economic sense is in crushing the car compared to auctioning it.

That aside the impounding of such cars is now a law passed by the state assembly.


naptu2:
The issue of the courts has been resolved a long time ago.


Many years ago, when Fashola was governor, someone sued LASTMA and the courts declared that LASTMA has no right to impose punishments like fines and forfeitures. Therefore, what happens at the moment is that there are mobile courts all over the place where you will be tried if you commit a road traffic offence. However, you can chose to wave your right to trial and instead pay the fine or face whatever punishment that is prescribed. In doing so you have agreed to settle out of court.

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by West1side: 5:13pm On Apr 23
How is it
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by PoshTraveler: 5:13pm On Apr 23
ANOFIA...THEY ARE VERY RIGHT FOR SELLING PEOPLE'S CARS THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW IT WAS GOTTEN. SOME PEOPLE JUST COME TO THE PUBLIC AND ASK QUESTIONS WITH THEIR BRAIN DISCONNECTED FROM THEIR MOUTH. ANUMANU angry

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by TOPCRUISE(m): 5:13pm On Apr 23
But can they destroy the vehicles
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by free2ryhme: 5:13pm On Apr 23
Blue3k:
Why do certain people feel its wrong for Lagos to auction seized vehicles but it's right for Ondo to auction Siezed Cattle?



What is the position of the law concerning the circumstance warranting the auctioning of these affected vehicles.
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by West1side: 5:13pm On Apr 23
Wrong
Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by Coldshisha: 5:14pm On Apr 23
cool




No they are not.. some states in America crush cars

We really need to understand that more people die yearly as a result of violating traffic laws leading to accidents than the number of people Bokoharam kill yearly


Only stiffer penalties would deter dangerous driving that causes death of innocent people



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DewnaaXBgM


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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by KingAzari: 5:15pm On Apr 23
They should maintain the same level of energy on danfo, korope, keke, okada, tankers, trailer and other commercial vehicles drivers. They only flex their muscles on private cars drivers.

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Re: Is Lagos State Wrong For Selling Seized Vehicles? by opalu: 5:15pm On Apr 23
Very wrong

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