FatherOfJesus:
The first experiment that tried to prove the existence of a soul by weighing cadavers is called 21g experiment. Maybe you didn’t know about it and unintentionally used it to back your argument.

There’s nothing supernatural about OBE as religious people will quickly commit a fallacy of appealing to ignorance when they can find physical answers to events by presenting illogical conclusions to fill gaps. No evidence to link OBE to existence of a soul, no measurable repeatable experiment to ascertain that henceforth it becomes pseudoscientific.
However, a lot of studies have been done to explain the neurological implications to it without hastily committing a fallacy of ad ignorantiam.

You can take you time and find those studies to educate yourself.

charlesucheh:
Does it get instant judgement, or roams like Data?

As for we catholics, we believe in purgatory for those whom mercy have been shown to. we are not like other denominations who believe in the fact that ''All sins are sin''. we believe in that insufficient grace of God upon our lives on earth and the life after.

purgatory, is just like a tentative place of reflection for the soul, pending it final judgement, But I still don't know the faith of souls who are die hard sinners. well, what do I know. to my own personal philosophy, life after death is a mystery to Mankind. only after you die, will you know the faith of your soul. But while alive on earth, do the good you can to fetch you a reasonable place in the after life.

Premiumwriter:
you do know eternity is not a place but time right?

Eternity is not a place where you can go into. It is an endless time.

Billyonaire666:


Intelligent Questions - I must commend the fact that you even know the questions to ask. There are so many of these religious mumbo jumbo flying around on the nature of soul and its relationship to the humanoid specie, homo sapiens sapiens. Though information about Soul is very scant among the 3D world with 5 sensing organs, wouldnt it be wiser to consult with sources of scientific fact-finding nature of a higher dimension of sensing?

Well, this is what I found out, and I do not want you to believe it, but research on it using Quantum Dynamics and Quantum Cosmology with insights, deeper insight from the research from NSA research Unit - CERN.

The OP probably does not know the difference between Soul and Spirit, if he knows about Soul and Spirit, the question would have been, 'Where does Spirit go, after mortality of the physical body.

The fact is, consciousness vacates the body, at death. Consciousness being a vehicle or the inter-connectivity medium for running conscious awareness.

Soul is an quantum-level chip, embedded within the system that connects the avatar (physical being) to the alternate reality (could be another dimension within the planetary hosting system) or another planet where the advanced civilization running this creation (simulated reality) is hosted.

But since the OP wanted to finding out the certainty of life after this life, then we must understand that there are many things that happen to many spirit after demise of the body, and all depends on the level of intelligence or consciousness harmonic threshold of the avatar, on the hierarchy of intelligence.

Though all Spirit will end up synchronizing the data with their Higher Self (who appears sometimes as Guardian Angel or Spiritual Guide or Jesus or Allah etc, depending on your religion and belief or level of advance intelligence - what you belief, the Player appears to deliver the message) and Soul is just the chip that handles that processing of memory, and that is about its job. But the Spirit will return and become infused with the Higher Self, whose Earth robot you are, and that is about it.

Your Life on this substrate is just too unnecessary to retain memory of while here, cos its recorded and your path are designed and your job is to pass the growth delta V impediments and grow in awareness and win and become greater than you started.

In essence, enjoy your days and be nice to everyone. After this existence, you will remember nothing of it, because this is not Real though it feels free and real, it is just an augmented reality of a cosmic nature. Let me ask you this - can you remember everything you did on Tuesday last week? - Not many people remember everything they did yesterday - so how can you even remember all that you did when you were 7yrs old. These information are stored on magneto-electric cloud systems outside this API, the world we see and hear and feel and touch and taste is a world decoded through five senses limited in capacity, but there is a wider spectrum with more sensors or sense organs, it is that world that this simulation is hosted and that is where Spirit belongs that plays this human game - if you are lucky to be not just a matrix product, then you are really not here, you are using this body from the other side. You are the Higher Self or its robot.

Do not believe this, research on it.

UyaiIncomparabl:
Our souls just vanish into the thin air or so. We just stop existing. Just as we were before birth.

On the last day, God will call back all the vanished souls and shall judge us accordingly to our various deeds. So, chose your poison now before it's too late.

Paradise or the lake of fire where there shall be gnashing of teeth and torment day and night?

As for me, I am going to Paradise. Believe it or not.

foxe:


Billy Billy. Longest time my old mentor

Billyonaire666:


First off, I am not Religious and I do not subscribe to an idea of Monotheism as guiding principle for this planet.

So, I need you to do yourself the favor of avoiding hasty generation, it is very fallacious and does waste a lot of our time.

In any intelligent dialogue, the purpose is to retain and admit to maintain a certain level of ignorance inorder to update our dataset, our knowledge and upgrade your level of awareness via hightened consciousness as a function of upgrade of awareness.

So, if you believe that all you have known is perfect, then we have no reason for this thread. My question to you, has remained unanswered and I can not proceed without understanding your level of awareness based on experience and not just what you read somewhere;

Have you had any Out of Body Experience? - I have but have you?
Have you seen any of the Alternate Realities outside the one we live and type this now ? - I have but have you?

I spent many years researching to understand my experiences based on Sciences - Quantum Sciences - and I am sharing what I found out this world to be.

The world I have seen during the experience is more REAL than this one - this one looks like a good copy of that, yet not very advanced.

So to limit your knowledge to the writings of inexperienced Scientists and negate the works of Quantum Physicists who have experienced the alternate worlds is naive, you can not limit your empiricism to those who use physical parameters and machines to study the Metaphysical, it is like using a calculator for chromatography. I can introduce you to top level scientists who have had breakthrough on quantum physics and have been able to connect the dots to understand that the physical world is a subset of a much larger reality systems. Earth is not even a Tier 1 civilization, we are a type 0 civilization. There are beings in Type 3 and upwards and they can build simulations and design beings such as us.

If you are interested in studying further - I will recommend that you shutdown the five senses - and remain with your thoughts alone while remaining still - sleeping wakefulness will help to awaken the extra senses for what is termed ESP (Extra Sensory Perceptions) - those extra senses are activated via their psychic perceptrons and you will begin to become aware of your connection to collective consciousness. It takes discipline and training otherwise, you cant read this and get it. You must be ready to dive into the rabbit hole yourself.

RedPill or Bluepill - choice is yours.

Davefed:
Life and death are mysteries. Human only understand things peculiar to Earth and it's physical surroundings and even to some extent not able to grasp all knowledge perculiar to him. He that deny the existence of the spirit realm is full of ignorance... The world we live in is just an iota of the universe, there's much in the universe that we can ever imagine.

FatherOfJesus:
I think you will only live a life of denial if you think that you can dissociate yourself from religious tenets when you see sense in the existence of paranormality and trying so hard to defend it even as there are no evidence that support it.

I’m open to learning new things but it has to be built open evidence produced by testable and repeatable experimentation and not by philosophical argument and I have seen none since we started this conversation. Philosophical arguments are error prone if when they sound so logical, they are not certainly correct.

Sorry, I’m not gonna take anything about metaphysics serious as it’s hugely pseudoscientific and philosophical. Philosophy is very prone to reaching bad conclusions, even the best of the philosophers believed the earth is flat. Aristotle included.

You assume that you cannot learn a lot from me as well, you obviously do not understand basic process of establishing evidence and rely a lot on philosophy to reach your conclusions, you will make errors even you think you are being logical. There’s no evidence for extrasensory perceptions as it’s mostly philosophical and philosophy only is not a reliable way of reaching conclusion.

Please, I will like to learn new stuffs however it should be backed by measurable evidence that can be tested. Anything other than this will be treated as probability with little degree of certainty.

DappaD:
First step is to understand the make up of humans. We are completely physical beings made from the dust of the earth. Genesis 2:7
The Bible refers to a “soul”(Hebrew: nephesh) in the above Scripture as a living and breathing creature, not some metaphysical part of the human being that separates when death occurs.

Our first father, Adam was the first soul created and had the prospect of living forever in the garden of Eden so he was never meant to die if he had obeyed the simple instructions given to him by God. Genesis 2:16-17

But we all know what transpired, Adam sinned and became subject to death(Genesis 3:19) and since we are all his offspring, we also inherited sin and error from him(Psalm 51:5) and became subject to death so that death has not escaped any human since that time. Romans 5:12-14

Since human beings are the souls themselves i.e. physical, breathing creatures, needing food and water for sustenance etc, when humans die as a result of the Adamic sin, we return to the dust of the earth and become nonexistent(Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-10) as if in a deep sleep that can only be reversed through resurrection(Isaiah 26:19, John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15) meaning that the human soul is not immortal but subject to destruction. Ezekiel 18:4

Ebuka78:
It started from millions of sperms making their way up to the ovum in other to reach the egg after swimming their way up from the vagina. The one that first reaches the egg gets saved while the others are killed by chemicals.

Now a baby is born after 9 months and grow to be a man. What make you active are your nervous system. What remains is your inner self which is your soul.

In the bible, Jesús resurrected lazarus. If lazarus was in heaven, there would be no need for Jesús to bring him back to earth. (That shows that when one dies, that calls for a rest)

The truth is that no one knows actually what happens when someone kicks the bucket.

Billyonaire666:


You have defended your stance based on personal inexperience, which is why you avoid answers to the questions I raised, it was a Yes or No, question -

So if you have no OBE experience, then do not feel embarrassed when I say you do not really know the meaning of Extra Sensory Perception. If you have no knowledge of ESP, or have forgotten, I will like to remind you, that if you have ever had a Dream - it is Extra Sensory, which means the extra senses outside the 5 local senses located on the physical avatar, the vehicle.

Since Dream is a Reality Screen of an alternate existing, will you use any physical parameter to research on it? Yes but very limited. You could use EEG to test the brain wave and neurotransmission during REM sleep and Non-REM but what does it mean ?

It means that the brain is process data, incoming data despite the fact that the body is hybernated, so the question should be; Where does the incoming data come from?

The brain is a transceiver of data from sources outside and inside of the body - the left hemisphere deals with local processing and right brain hemisphere processes data from alternate sources which is source of the cause of life.

Note that I am not writing this for argument sake, because obviously, it is a waste to you, but I am writing for those who needed clarifications especially the OP and the rest whose ability to understand better is updated.

Have a great Sunday, my friend.

FatherOfJesus:
Because people experience OBE is not an automatic evidence for a soul. There’s no experiment to certainly link OBEs and souls. We could just say we don’t fully Understand OBEs and because we do not understand them today doesn’t necessarily mean we won’t tommorow. Anything otherwise is simply appealing to ignorance. There’s no shame in admitting that you don’t know instead of filling the gaps with something unproven.
There’s was period when we didn’t understand sleep paralysis, a lot of people committed fallacies by linking it spiritual attacks, but today we can explain sleep paralysis is terms of neurological functions that leads to muscle spasm.

Like I said. ESPs are purely pseudoscientific, they cannot be measurable. So I won’t discuss it.
REM and Non-REM sleep stages are just neurological functions that happens during sleep, I have not seen how it’s linked to the presence of a soul. You simply just want reach a conclusion without any testable experiment.

I have done a research on a drug for a pharmaceutical company in India that treats insomnia, we targeted the neurological activities in the REM stage sleep by gamma aminobutyric acid receptors (GABA). It is a field I’m well aware of and I do not see how it explains souls. The brain will process information even few minutes after death sir, the brain will process information anytime you are alive as every activity of key organs like the heart, lungs, kidney, liver etc are solely dependent on nerve impulses from the brain except from the heart that has the ability to also generate its own electrical impulse to a certain degree. So there is no reason for the brain to shut down.

I am also not writing for argument sake but I’m yet to see how your argument about Sleeping stage and the activity of the brain during sleep proves the existence of a soul.

UyaiIncomparabl:
Our souls just vanish into the thin air or so. We just stop existing. Just as we were before birth.

On the last day, God will call back all the vanished souls and shall judge us accordingly to our various deeds. So, chose your poison now before it's too late.

Paradise or the lake of fire where there shall be gnashing of teeth and torment day and night?

As for me, I am going to Paradise. Believe it or not.

Billyonaire666:


What makes you conscious?

Righteousness2:
The Lazarus and the Richman Scriptures of Luke 16:19-31 is all Humans need to know and understand what happens after Death.

If you Like argue from Jericho to Jerusalem! When you Close your eyes, you will Experience it