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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by AlexMystical: 4:07am On Apr 24, 2021
Open your Third Eye INSTANTLY using a 'MAGNET"!! Warning;�

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by AlexMystical: 4:20am On Apr 24, 2021
Exposed: WHAT THE THIRD EYE truly is and How does It really Work?

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Gab25: 2:13am On Apr 30, 2021
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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by princessdeo(f): 4:06pm On May 05, 2021
What's the purpose of life? Christian perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi9Exw_A9EE
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Dtruthspeaker: 10:11am On May 06, 2021
princessdeo:
What's the purpose of life? Christian perspective.

Like every other creation eg phones, cars, clothes, toys etc To Bring Joy and Happiness and Please Your Creator and not to Annoy or Vex Him!
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Dtruthspeaker: 10:15am On May 06, 2021
iammolise:
The ironic thing about RELIGION/FAITH is; the Christians think the muslims are wasting their time, the muslims think the Christians are also wasting their time... Now the traditionalists believe both Christians and muslims don't know what they are doing, then atheists are confident that both Christians, muslims, traditionalists put together are all bunch of turkeys who are collectively out of their minds.

Then there is Truth which measures all and putting each in his place!
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by CHIOMAEZEH: 12:02pm On May 07, 2021
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DeusXmachina: 2:37pm On May 08, 2021
DeusXmachina:

...
Sigh..
I've lost track of how I wanted to relate this back to the origin of religion mid typing, but I should remember it later.
Been too busy in the past few months to come back to this, but let me continue the train of thought from where I left off.

The capacity for narrative generation is there even if data is missing or inconsistent. The desire to make sense of things is still ever present.
And this was part of my thoughts for how (superstitious) beliefs, came about. A desire to understand the world, to make sense our existence, the concept of death and the fear of the unknown. Combined with the hardwired narrative generation (I tried to establish in my previous post) of our minds.

There are other things that have been catalysts to the establishment of the concept of the supernatural as well, such as metal illnesses like schizophrenia, sleep paralysis and the history of human psychedelic usage, have served as evidence for the existence otherworldly beings for a time.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DeusXmachina: 5:23pm On May 08, 2021
DeusXmachina:
My idea/thoughts/hypothesis on the origin of religion.

...

Ok, tells take this a little further. Polytheism originating from animism.
From natural phenomenon having a mind and will of its own, to being anthropomorphized..

Will continue later..

A not so far fetched idea is of polytheism being just an evolution of animism where there are deities representing natural phenomena.

The animistic perception of the natural world is that everything is alive and has a will/mind of its own. And if such is true, then couldn't people bargain with them? (the natural phenomenas) to serve (worshipped) them, offer a sacrifice to them and maybe they may be pleased, and give us something in exchange, an example is that the rain doesn't cause a flood that kills us, or for bountiful harvests if we did something we thought this "will" may want. (Origin of ritual practices?)

Polytheism just takes this one step further, were we anthropomorphize the will of the natural phenomenas. By giving them names, human emotions and qualities. We basically projected ourselves here, and try to create explanations for their actions and origins.
An example is let's take a look at one of the most popular mythologies in the world Greek mythology. It's creation story is
"In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love/procreation. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love..." https://www.cs.williams.edu/~lindsey/myths/myths_16.html
There are different versions of this stories with differing origins, shows people were inventing them as they went along, but I digress.
To the Greeks these were the primordial Gods/ Titans.
Earth, Air, Sea, Sky, Fresh Water, Underworld, Darkness, Night, Light, Day, Procreation and Time.
The things they understand were essential, or make up the fabric of the universe as they understood it. These are things no one (at the time) knew the origins of or how they work and seemly exists, just because.
As to where specifically these origin stories come from, I don't know. However my hypothesis is that it was just someone in history using imagination and storytelling to fill in the gaps, similar to the Africa stories we were told as children like the why "mosquitos buzz" one and if enough time passes and the stories are passed down for generations without anyone challenging them, people start to take them as true.
In the process of this storytelling, the various deities were invented.

There is an aspect of I'm not touching on, such as the cultural aspects of religion like diet & clothing.., which can be influenced by geography and other things, I'm limiting myself here to the beliefs, superstition & mythology side of things.

And monotheism, is somewhat an evolution from organised polytheism, as there seems to be a tendency for a single deity to appear as the head of a pantheon like Zeus in Greek mythology, Odin in Norse, Osiris in Egypt etc.
Or how different tribes, groups have a patron deity they worshipped mostly exclusively. I plan on going in depth on this later.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 9:46am On May 20, 2021
Hello everyone my name is David A.O. I'm the writer of the book the science of God and life, a book authored by the indwelling of Christ in me. I'm here to introduce this book to you. It's written by Interpreting biblical information with objective evidences. It talks about space, time, relativity of time, reality, and also introduces the person of Christ with objective facts in nature. It's just interpretation and nothing more. Visit www.davidaobooks.com to get a copy. This book goes for a stipend, and I hope people can support my project and also learn. God bless you as many of you who buy as many of you who don't. Amen [color=#006600][/color]
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Kobojunkie: 4:00pm On May 21, 2021
DavidAO:
Hello everyone my name is David A.O. I'm the writer of the book the science of God and life, [b]a book authored by the indwelling of Christ in me. [/b]I'm here to introduce this book to you. It's written by Interpreting biblical information with objective evidences. It talks about space, time, relativity of time, reality, and also introduces the person of Christ with objective facts in nature. It's just interpretation and nothing more. Visit www.davidaobooks.com to get a copy. This book goes for a stipend, and I hope people can support my project and also learn. God bless you as many of you who buy as many of you who don't. Amen [color=#006600][/color]
But there is no such thing as a book authored by the indwelling of Christ. Jesus Christ is instead the New Covenant Law and Truth of God where the Kingdom of God is concerned, and we are commanded against adding to or removing from the Law in any way of form. undecided
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 6:22am On May 22, 2021
DeusXmachina:


A not so far fetched idea is of polytheism being just an evolution of animism where there are deities representing natural phenomena.

The animistic perception of the natural world is that everything is alive and has a will/mind of its own. And if such is true, then couldn't people bargain with them? (the natural phenomenas) to serve (worshipped) them, offer a sacrifice to them and maybe they may be pleased, and give us something in exchange, an example is that the rain doesn't cause a flood that kills us, or for bountiful harvests if we did something we thought this "will" may want. (Origin of ritual practices?)

Polytheism just takes this one step further, were we anthropomorphize the will of the natural phenomenas. By giving them names, human emotions and qualities. We basically projected ourselves here, and try to create explanations for their actions and origins.
An example is let's take a look at one of the most popular mythologies in the world Greek mythology. It's creation story is
"In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love/procreation. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love..." https://www.cs.williams.edu/~lindsey/myths/myths_16.html
There are different versions of this stories with differing origins, shows people were inventing them as they went along, but I digress.
To the Greeks these were the primordial Gods/ Titans.
Earth, Air, Sea, Sky, Fresh Water, Underworld, Darkness, Night, Light, Day, Procreation and Time.
The things they understand were essential, or make up the fabric of the universe as they understood it. These are things no one (at the time) knew the origins of or how they work and seemly exists, just because.
As to where specifically these origin stories come from, I don't know. However my hypothesis is that it was just someone in history using imagination and storytelling to fill in the gaps, similar to the Africa stories we were told as children like the why "mosquitos buzz" one and if enough time passes and the stories are passed down for generations without anyone challenging them, people start to take them as true.
In the process of this storytelling, the various deities were invented.

There is an aspect of I'm not touching on, such as the cultural aspects of religion like diet & clothing.., which can be influenced by geography and other things, I'm limiting myself here to the beliefs, superstition & mythology side of things.

And monotheism, is somewhat an evolution from organised polytheism, as there seems to be a tendency for a single deity to appear as the head of a pantheon like Zeus in Greek mythology, Odin in Norse, Osiris in Egypt etc.
Or how different tribes, groups have a patron deity they worshipped mostly exclusively. I plan on going in depth on this later.

Stories.


They are not new to me.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nas23Nas: 12:02pm On May 22, 2021
Hi
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nas23Nas: 12:03pm On May 22, 2021
Hello
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 7:35pm On May 22, 2021
Often times, certain people have reached certain level of awareness that they start to question everything they've known, and even those things which are conspicuous to all.

While most people have accepted information shoved down their minds through education, religion, and tradition to be true, some have been able to realize that life entails more than is circulated through these societal medium.

Among the question asked included: what's time?
what's space?
is time truly a dimension of space?
If energy cannot be created, where did all these energy come from?
What is the source of consciousness?
What happens to the consciousness after death?
Why does death occur?
What's the relationship between time and energy?
How does relativity of time affect everyday life? etc.

Although most stories, folklores and assumptions have been raised to answer these questions both through science & philosophy, and in religions, but the fact remains that these questions have not been truly answered and they still underline life as we know it to be.

Although many of these questions have been answered in the books I want to introduce to everyone today, a book I wrote through the inspiration of God and can be ordered for a token at this link https://www.davidaobooks.com/product/the-science-of-god-and-life/

The subject of today's discussion is also discussed better in the book but I'll like to roughly discuss the subject of light and darkness, or day and night as most know it. This can also be chronologically discribe as NOW/Present and Past because light/day is the present and darkness/night is the past.

So here's the question for today: have you ever truly experienced darkness/night?

This question may be easily rebuffed by a shallow minded person but a person that sits down to observe will realise that sun and moon/stars shine at different times of the day, when do we now experience darkness?

To understand this, we must first define darkness. Darkness is the absence. This is what darkness really means but humans have had a way to label things wrongly bc humans are fundamentally unrealistic Beings and this is why you become a person's enemy if you tell them the truth about themselves.

Darkness is truly the absence of light but humans have a penchant of labelling everything as darkness even when they can observe that there's light. There's light every where in the universe and at every time. In fact everything you can see is radiation energy in the form of light so basically there's nothing night as we claim exists.

To really understand this we must first define the reason why we see. Humans see bc light collected through the eyes are interpreted and read by the mind to stimulate the body action. If we know that we can only see bc of light, we must now ask ourselves this question: can we see when moon shine? Can we see in that time we call night? The answer is yes we can see, where then is the darkness that we inherently know exists?

Yes, we inherently know that darkness exists even though what we perceive isn't truly darkness. Our subconscious self knows this every though our conscious self mixes up light for darkness and darkness for light bc of our perception.

Of course there's darkness, there's a area of night. An area of just space, no time and no energy. Humans don't experience that spot bc like the Bible says, there's light covering both the darkness. The sun and the moon are just perceptible lights covering both the real light and real darkness Genesis 1:14-18

While this note may not be enough bc there's alot to talk about light. The book I have introduced titled "the science of God and life" gives us detailed explanation of these questions raised and more. Helps us understand the concept of time and the true relationship between time and light or energy.

https://www.davidaobooks.com/product/the-science-of-god-and-life/

Visit the link above and buy a book to support our project and also learn. We are a people bent on revealing the reality and Interpreting life as it truly is. Send us email on the site if you have questions and if you'll like to join our team. We are embarking on real life experiment soon and we'll appreciate if you can buy and read the science of God and life as a support. Thank you
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 9:54pm On May 22, 2021
DavidAO:

If energy cannot be created, where did all these energy come from?

This a misquote of the law of conservation of energy. The proper statement is: The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but can be neither created nor destroyed.

It specifies an isolated system, we have no knowledge of what type of system the universe is nor do we know what type of system it was when it was in the hot dense state prior to the big bang.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 10:29pm On May 23, 2021
LordReed:


This a misquote of the law of conservation of energy. The proper statement is: The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but can be neither created nor destroyed.

It specifies an isolated system, we have no knowledge of what type of system the universe is nor do we know what type of system it was when it was in the hot dense state prior to the big bang.


It's impossible for nothing to exist.


Period.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DeusXmachina: 10:27pm On May 25, 2021
HellVictorinho:


Stories.


They are not new to me.
Ok
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 10:20pm On May 28, 2021
Where Bible surpasses science.

There’s been a lot of misconceptions about biblical information. A major reason for this is because most people do not like to read for themselves and also because people do not like to be wrong about what they think life should be. This has tainted religion even as it has tainted every other areas of human endeavors.

Due to the misinterpretation of biblical information and unwillingness to adapt to change, humans have continued to dwell on certain beliefs which are both unrealistic and objective but have lasted through times and civilizations.

Science, like religion is a branch of study created by the Roman/Greek. As the Romans/Greeks took hold of the message of Christ, they influenced it with their beliefs which was basically science. The result of this is a world with clearly unobjective views about life, and absolute misinterpretation of biblical information.

While most actually think science is a branch that has surpassed religion, not many even realize that science itself is like a religion, a way with which humans try to interpret life. In fact, science as we know it to be was created by religion. Most scientific findings of the past were revealed by religious workers. In fact, controversial theories like evolution were first put forward by religious workers after which other people followed suit to develop it to what is belief to be true by some.

The Bible takes a different shape from regularly preached religious doctrines when viewed objectively. It even takes a more revealing stance than all science has been able to discover when viewed from an objectively. The problem is that people do not like to view life objectively and as mentioned before, no one likes to be wrong about what they think life should be.

An important part where the Bible has taken a more realistic stance than science is the concept of time and time flow.

If you ask anyone what’s time? They’d never have a reasonable answer to give. In my journey, I had met so many people with very funny and sometimes outrightly ridiculous view of that time is. So basically, no one actually knows what time is but certain people have been able to explain how time works. Among such people whose works is valued till today is Albert Einstein but even him could not tell what time truly is and how it truly exists. He was only able to tell how time works with his discovery of the relativity of time and since then we have come to understand that all things exists in relativity even from biblical stance.

The Bible supports relativity of time, in fact the Bible talks about the relativity of wisdom, knowledge and understanding and everything other things that affect life. But the Bible most importantly explain what time is and how it flows.

From the equation: J = W X t

We can tell that time is function of energy so we just have to tell which existed first. This subject of time has eluded most scientists because they view this equation from the right hand side; this makes time unknown. But the Bible reveals this equation from the left hand side by letting us know that energy (light) existed before time and In fact time is just a function of that energy (light).

Now this gives a better understanding of what time is than as can be obtained from even quantum mechanics because science like religion and every other aspect of human endeavor views life from below but the Bible shows us things from above. Yet, everyone understands that the better view is from above because it’s more holistic.

Another aspect of time that has confused humans till this day is it’s flow. We intuitively know that know that time flows from the past to the present but but major scientists have had a hard time grasping the reality in efforts to define life as they think it should be. For this reason we’ve had many funny assertions of time flow.

Among the unrealistic notion scientifically peddled is the assertion that time does not flow. This is an unobjective notion because we definitely change and events become past and we grow. In fact, among such peddlers of unrealistic notion are many successful scientists like Einstein, Hawkings and even present day scientists like Carlo Revolli. This is unrealistic because we will expect not to get old at all if time was stagnant and always present.

The major reason for this notion is because it’s hard to match perception with reality. Human perceive time in three dimension but time only exists in two dimensions realistically.

People perceive a to-morrow, a to-say and a yester-day. Science in it’s need to combine all perception of time as real has had to come up with unrealistic postulates like:
1. Future and past do not exist but only Now
2. Now does not exist.
An observant person will realize that these assertions are logically contrasting yet different factions of scientists and philosophers have continued working in both assertions invariably.

What does the Bible says about times flow? The Bible lets us know that there’s just light and darkness (absence of light) or more scientifically energy and absence of energy. Time exists as a movement of light away from darkness. Genesis 1:4

Therefore, there’s only two dimensions of time; a “past”, where the light was and a “present” which is where light is.

We know that the light itself is the life so wherever life is is the present and for this reason every existing day day of life is the present day. The past (yesterday) is where we were but the present is reality is the reality of life. There’s no any other time but an illusory time which is a future time that exists only in the human mind.

According to the Bible there’s just past and now. 1 John 2:8. This is the concept of time that is consistent with reality as can be observed and our journey is from darkness to light; from past to now. Now is said to be Day, thus life is a journey to-day.

I implore everyone interested in learning the truth as can be observed to visit my website https://www.davidaobooks.com and get my book, it’s titled the science of God and life and it’s basically about interpreting the Bible objectively. Those who have read so far have testified to a better understanding of the construct of life and uncommon concept like reverse-time existence and inverse reality.

The book talks about relativity of time in a way better explained than here and even defined light better than can be done in a single blogpost. Life is truly beautiful when you know what’s happening, the reality. Knowledge is the key to the reality and freedom of existence. Learn about the truth, learn about Christ in a way that supersedes the lies and deception of this world.

https://www.davidaobooks.com/product/the-science-of-god-and-life/

Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 7:40am On May 29, 2021
DavidAO:
Where Bible surpasses science.

There’s been a lot of misconceptions about biblical information. A major reason for this is because most people do not like to read for themselves and also because people do not like to be wrong about what they think life should be. This has tainted religion even as it has tainted every other areas of human endeavors.

Due to the misinterpretation of biblical information and unwillingness to adapt to change, humans have continued to dwell on certain beliefs which are both unrealistic and objective but have lasted through times and civilizations.

Science, like religion is a branch of study created by the Roman/Greek. As the Romans/Greeks took hold of the message of Christ, they influenced it with their beliefs which was basically science. The result of this is a world with clearly unobjective views about life, and absolute misinterpretation of biblical information.

While most actually think science is a branch that has surpassed religion, not many even realize that science itself is like a religion, a way with which humans try to interpret life. In fact, science as we know it to be was created by religion. Most scientific findings of the past were revealed by religious workers. In fact, controversial theories like evolution were first put forward by religious workers after which other people followed suit to develop it to what is belief to be true by some.

The Bible takes a different shape from regularly preached religious doctrines when viewed objectively. It even takes a more revealing stance than all science has been able to discover when viewed from an objectively. The problem is that people do not like to view life objectively and as mentioned before, no one likes to be wrong about what they think life should be.

An important part where the Bible has taken a more realistic stance than science is the concept of time and time flow.

If you ask anyone what’s time? They’d never have a reasonable answer to give. In my journey, I had met so many people with very funny and sometimes outrightly ridiculous view of that time is. So basically, no one actually knows what time is but certain people have been able to explain how time works. Among such people whose works is valued till today is Albert Einstein but even him could not tell what time truly is and how it truly exists. He was only able to tell how time works with his discovery of the relativity of time and since then we have come to understand that all things exists in relativity even from biblical stance.

The Bible supports relativity of time, in fact the Bible talks about the relativity of wisdom, knowledge and understanding and everything other things that affect life. But the Bible most importantly explain what time is and how it flows.

From the equation: J = W X t

We can tell that time is function of energy so we just have to tell which existed first. This subject of time has eluded most scientists because they view this equation from the right hand side; this makes time unknown. But the Bible reveals this equation from the left hand side by letting us know that energy (light) existed before time and In fact time is just a function of that energy (light).

Now this gives a better understanding of what time is than as can be obtained from even quantum mechanics because science like religion and every other aspect of human endeavor views life from below but the Bible shows us things from above. Yet, everyone understands that the better view is from above because it’s more holistic.

Another aspect of time that has confused humans till this day is it’s flow. We intuitively know that know that time flows from the past to the present but but major scientists have had a hard time grasping the reality in efforts to define life as they think it should be. For this reason we’ve had many funny assertions of time flow.

Among the unrealistic notion scientifically peddled is the assertion that time does not flow. This is an unobjective notion because we definitely change and events become past and we grow. In fact, among such peddlers of unrealistic notion are many successful scientists like Einstein, Hawkings and even present day scientists like Carlo Revolli. This is unrealistic because we will expect not to get old at all if time was stagnant and always present.

The major reason for this notion is because it’s hard to match perception with reality. Human perceive time in three dimension but time only exists in two dimensions realistically.

People perceive a to-morrow, a to-say and a yester-day. Science in it’s need to combine all perception of time as real has had to come up with unrealistic postulates like:
1. Future and past do not exist but only Now
2. Now does not exist.
An observant person will realize that these assertions are logically contrasting yet different factions of scientists and philosophers have continued working in both assertions invariably.

What does the Bible says about times flow? The Bible lets us know that there’s just light and darkness (absence of light) or more scientifically energy and absence of energy. Time exists as a movement of light away from darkness. Genesis 1:4

Therefore, there’s only two dimensions of time; a “past”, where the light was and a “present” which is where light is.

We know that the light itself is the life so wherever life is is the present and for this reason every existing day day of life is the present day. The past (yesterday) is where we were but the present is reality is the reality of life. There’s no any other time but an illusory time which is a future time that exists only in the human mind.

According to the Bible there’s just past and now. 1 John 2:8. This is the concept of time that is consistent with reality as can be observed and our journey is from darkness to light; from past to now. Now is said to be Day, thus life is a journey to-day.

I implore everyone interested in learning the truth as can be observed to visit my website https://www.davidaobooks.com and get my book, it’s titled the science of God and life and it’s basically about interpreting the Bible objectively. Those who have read so far have testified to a better understanding of the construct of life and uncommon concept like reverse-time existence and inverse reality.

The book talks about relativity of time in a way better explained than here and even defined light better than can be done in a single blogpost. Life is truly beautiful when you know what’s happening, the reality. Knowledge is the key to the reality and freedom of existence. Learn about the truth, learn about Christ in a way that supersedes the lies and deception of this world.

https://www.davidaobooks.com/product/the-science-of-god-and-life/

Pure bunkum.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 3:52pm On May 29, 2021
LordReed:


Pure bunkum.

I just checked the meaning of bunkum. Thanks, atleast I have learnt something from you. You can see that it’s not my fault that you can’t learn from me. It’s entirely on you. It doesn’t matter how good a point is or how good the teacher is. If the point is directed to a person who can’t learn then they’ll never learn. Anyways, enjoy your weekend ❤️.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 4:12pm On May 29, 2021
DavidAO:


I just checked the meaning of bunkum. Thanks, atleast I have learnt something from you. You can see that it’s not my fault that you can’t learn from me. It’s entirely on you. It doesn’t matter how good a point is or how good the teacher is. If the point is directed to a person who can’t learn then they’ll never learn. Anyways, enjoy your weekend ❤️.

More balderdash. If I didn't want to learn I won't have attempted reading your post. If you really want to learn, you'll properly educate yourself on the topics you are trying to speak about, instead of writing half truths, strawman arguments and out right fabrications.

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Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 4:19pm On May 29, 2021
LordReed:


This a misquote of the law of conservation of energy. The proper statement is: The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but can be neither created nor destroyed.

It specifies an isolated system, we have no knowledge of what type of system the universe is nor do we know what type of system it was when it was in the hot dense state prior to the big bang.

I don’t usually reply comments but I think I’d reply you. I hope this helps you to think.

You don’t know if the universe is closed or you don’t want to accept what the universe is? There are some who don’t want to accept the truth so that they can remain in delusion, it’s not on anyone but on them. The truth is revealed so ignorance cannot be an excuse for you or your kinds.

Ok, from a scientific point of view. If you don’t know what the universe is, then you can know that by attempting to create energy. If it’s open then you’ll succeed but if it’s close then energy cannot be created. Simple reasoning if you want to exits realistically but reasoning is a mirage to many so I respect your stance.

Also, have you looked around you? Why is everything denoting a closed system? Why is the water cycle a closed system? Why is life purely interdependent?

I suppose you are a believer in science, that must be mind degrading. Spend some time to prove something as trivial as gravity. Is gravity coming from underneath the earth like they tell you? Instead of countering someone, especially one who doesn’t care about ur point of view. Spend some time to prove gravity and focus on that. If you do that enough and you live to a level that you become deluded then maybe you’ll see that there’s a lot more than you think life is. Peace, love, learn and change❤️
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 5:06pm On May 29, 2021
DavidAO:


I don’t usually reply comments but I think I’d reply you. I hope this helps you to think.

Apparently it's because you so love the sound of your own ideas you can't stand being corrected or challenged.

You don’t know if the universe is closed or you don’t want to accept what the universe is? There are some who don’t want to accept the truth so that they can remain in delusion, it’s not on anyone but on them. The truth is revealed so ignorance cannot be an excuse for you or your kinds.

I will accept what the universe is when you have more than speculation or the fanciful mythological tales of Hebrew origin.

Ok, from a scientific point of view. If you don’t know what the universe is, then you can know that by attempting to create energy. If it’s open then you’ll succeed but if it’s close then energy cannot be created. Simple reasoning if you want to exits realistically but reasoning is a mirage to many so I respect your stance.

If you can reason I will have you tell me which part of the law of conservation of energy indicates that my inability to create energy is proof of the law or proof that I am operating in a closed system.

Also, have you looked around you? Why is everything denoting a closed system? Why is the water cycle a closed system? Why is life purely interdependent?

Bwahahahahaha! Oh my goodness so you don't even know what a closed system means in thermodynamics. Lemme help you so you can learn some more: A closed system is a type of thermodynamic system where mass is conserved within the boundaries of the system, but energy is allowed to freely enter or exit the system.
FYI it has nothing to do with the interrelatedness of physical systems. Understand what it means before you attempt to further construct your strawman arguments.

I suppose you are a believer in science, that must be mind degrading.

No I am not because science thankfully does not require belief. What I do find mind numbingly degrading is continuing to revere ancient mythological tales especially when better knowledge has come to light.

Spend some time to prove something as trivial as gravity. Is gravity coming from underneath the earth like they tell you? Instead of countering someone, especially one who doesn’t care about ur point of view. Spend some time to prove gravity and focus on that. If you do that enough and you live to a level that you become deluded then maybe you’ll see that there’s a lot more than you think life is. Peace, love, learn and change❤️

What is more and more clear is you have very little grasp of the scientific subjects you are speaking of. Look at you calling the proof of gravity trivial when it is some peoples life work to study what exactly it is and even they cannot say it is trivial. Besides no one with sound scientific knowledge would ever say such nonsense as: "gravity [is] coming from underneath the earth". Go and read up on what science has found out about gravity and stop celebrating your kindergarten ideas and reasoning.

Run along now, you have lots of studying to do. LoL!
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 6:41pm On May 29, 2021
LordReed:


Apparently it's because you so love the sound of your own ideas you can't stand being corrected or challenged.



I will accept what the universe is when you have more than speculation or the fanciful mythological tales of Hebrew origin.



If you can reason I will have you tell me which part of the law of conservation of energy indicates that my inability to create energy is proof of the law or proof that I am operating in a closed system.



Bwahahahahaha! Oh my goodness so you don't even know what a closed system means in thermodynamics. Lemme help you so you can learn some more: A closed system is a type of thermodynamic system where mass is conserved within the boundaries of the system, but energy is allowed to freely enter or exit the system.
FYI it has nothing to do with the interrelatedness of physical systems. Understand what it means before you attempt to further construct your strawman arguments.



No I am not because science thankfully does not require belief. What I do find mind numbingly degrading is continuing to revere ancient mythological tales especially when better knowledge has come to light.



What is more and more clear is you have very little grasp of the scientific subjects you are speaking of. Look at you calling the proof of gravity trivial when it is some peoples life work to study what exactly it is and even they cannot say it is trivial. Besides no one with sound scientific knowledge would ever say such nonsense as: "gravity [is] coming from underneath the earth". Go and read up on what science has found out about gravity and stop celebrating your kindergarten ideas and reasoning.

Run along now, you have lots of studying to do. LoL!

I know nairaland is your local area and I also know your mind is fixed so I don’t expect you to understand the things I make mention of. Colors are bright but that doesn’t mean the blind man will see them. If you told him about the beauty, he’d always say it’s a lie and that you’re wrong if he’s both arrogant and ignorant.

That said, I understand your premises. I can see you like to you think you know more than ur head can take. That’s ok. The world is a place where everyone claims they’re what they aren’t.

Yes, I believe in Jesus and I hold biblical information dear and I interpret them objectively to know the truth of life. This is something above your mental grasp and this is why you easily put the blame on the book. It’s ok, I understand your weakness, no one likes to admit their ignorance, instead they blame the other person and the book. This is the sad reality of an average human which of ofcourse is what you’re.

I can see you do not have the ability to think counterintuitively, that’s not my fault Lord whatever your name is. It’s solely on you. I used the water cycle as en example for you to see that water is conserved, it’s an indication of something greater. Oxygen is given off by plant and that oxygen is breathed in by humans and humans give off carbon dioxide which is likewise taken in by the plant. I’m showing you the conservation of matter happening just within us as a testament of greater reality but it appears you have a very localized brain which ofcourse is a weakness for those who can’t reason holistically.

Yes, gravity is trivial in the sense that it’s among the fundamental forces yet we haven’t still fully understood it. How then can you speak of greater mystery when you still have a hard time grasping the fundamentals?

I know it hurts your skull that I called it trivial. It hurts your bone that bc it’s what you belief in and I talked very little of it and it’s been worked on by those you revere. Well, that’s your problem, it’s what is it is and I said it the way it is. You’re being unreasonable in the sense that you rubbished the Bible yet it’s also some people’s life work and they sacrificed their life so that reasonable people might know the truth. You talked less of it but you’re crying that I talked less of gravity. That’s very selfish of you.

There’s a lot of things you’re not aware of. After all you’re just a mental slave for another. You foolishly take what’s said to you as long as it make sense to your dark mind. I’m not like that. I’m an explorer and not a follower of deluded people. The fundamental aspects of life are still hard for science to grasp but fanatics like you already claim they’re the truth. I don’t deal with fanatics and this is why I don’t usually reply on here. If that’s hurts you, email me and let’s talk.

You also claim science doesn’t require believe. That’s a bold word from a very you. Believe is the basis of all knowledge. Believe means accept and put to practice, or accept and be that way. The reason is for this is to test an information, and that’s why believe is an action word. You can’t have what you reject. You definitely can’t know what you refuse to test. This is why you don’t know the truth bc you reject it. You build a resistance to it bc you just want something that suits your mind. Don’t worry I understand your weakness. I have met a lot like you.

I’ll leave you with something. Start working on it from now till your bone can’t carry your head. When you get the actual answer, email mean on Science4christ@davidaobooks.com

See attached and tell me what time is. Bye for now and enjoy you localized perception of reality

Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 8:29pm On May 29, 2021
DavidAO:


I know nairaland is your local area and I also know your mind is fixed so I don’t expect you to understand the things I make mention of. Colors are bright but that doesn’t mean the blind man will see them. If you told him about the beauty, he’d always say it’s a lie and that you’re wrong if he’s both arrogant and ignorant.

I will understand when you bring coherent, testable and/or proven concepts. As long as you are peddling pseudoscience and jargons based off of ancient fairytales, I'm gonna call out your bull crap.

That said, I understand your premises. I can see you like to you think you know more than ur head can take. That’s ok. The world is a place where everyone claims they’re what they aren’t.

That better describes you, peddler of cosmic jargons and ancient mythology dressed up in mind numbing science sounding claptrap.

Yes, I believe in Jesus and I hold biblical information dear and I interpret them objectively to know the truth of life. This is something above your mental grasp and this is why you easily put the blame on the book. It’s ok, I understand your weakness, no one likes to admit their ignorance, instead they blame the other person and the book. This is the sad reality of an average human which of ofcourse is what you’re.

I don't give a flying rats arse what you believe, it's of no consequence to a discussion on scientific concepts. My ignorance is my opportunity to acquire more knowledge not half baked claptrap.

I can see you do not have the ability to think counterintuitively, that’s not my fault Lord whatever your name is. It’s solely on you. I used the water cycle as en example for you to see that water is conserved, it’s an indication of something greater. Oxygen is given off by plant and that oxygen is breathed in by humans and humans give off carbon dioxide which is likewise taken in by the plant. I’m showing you the conservation of matter happening just within us as a testament of greater reality but it appears you have a very localized brain which ofcourse is a weakness for those who can’t reason holistically.

And you can't reason beyond the sound of your half baked ideas. The water cycle is not a thermodynamically closed system so I dunno why you are pointing to it as example. besides the law of conservation of energy does not specify a closed system, go and do some more reasoning, you are not even close to 1 quarter done.

Yes, gravity is trivial in the sense that it’s among the fundamental forces yet we haven’t still fully understood it. How then can you speak of greater mystery when you still have a hard time grasping the fundamentals?

You still have no clue what you are talking about. Something being fundamental does not make it trivial. Get a hold of a dictionary for Andromeda's sake.

I know it hurts your skull that I called it trivial. It hurts your bone that bc it’s what you belief in and I talked very little of it and it’s been worked on by those you revere. Well, that’s your problem, it’s what is it is and I said it the way it is. You’re being unreasonable in the sense that you rubbished the Bible yet it’s also some people’s life work and they sacrificed their life so that reasonable people might know the truth. You talked less of it but you’re crying that I talked less of gravity. That’s very selfish of you.

LMFAO! See projection at its finest. You are the one acting all beat up because I corrected your misquote of the law of conservation of energy. Your Bible is not a scientific treatise, it's a collection of ancient mythological tales that you want to give relevance to. I prefer what we have gathered as knowledge now, not some ancient bs legends.

There’s a lot of things you’re not aware of. After all you’re just a mental slave for another. You foolishly take what’s said to you as long as it make sense to your dark mind. I’m not like that. I’m an explorer and not a follower of deluded people. The fundamental aspects of life are still hard for science to grasp but fanatics like you already claim they’re the truth. I don’t deal with fanatics and this is why I don’t usually reply on here. If that’s hurts you, email me and let’s talk.

Bwahahahahaha! The man who is shackled to bs fairytales from the bronze age is calling someone else mental slave. LMFAO so freaking rich. Oga the hurt is all over you. Go and do some more studying and stop feeling beat down because I corrected you.

You also claim science doesn’t require believe. That’s a bold word from a very you. Believe is the basis of all knowledge. Believe means accept and put to practice, or accept and be that way. The reason is for this is to test an information, and that’s why believe is an action word. You can’t have what you reject. You definitely can’t know what you refuse to test. This is why you don’t know the truth bc you reject it. You build a resistance to it bc you just want something that suits your mind. Don’t worry I understand your weakness. I have met a lot like you.

It is necessary to make clear the epistemological distinction because strawman builders like you always try to equate belief as an aspect of knowledge with faith in dusty bronze age tales so that you can turn around and accuse me of having science as a religion. Just nipping your obvious tactics in the bud.

I’ll leave you with something. Start working on it from now till your bone can’t carry your head. When you get the actual answer, email mean on Science4christ@davidaobooks.com

See attached and tell me what time is. Bye for now and enjoy you localized perception of reality

I am not like you who can't read anything that is not the product of my half baked ideas. The Quora page you copied is below screenshot for your perusal in case you don't know how to use search engines.

Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Image123(m): 8:35pm On May 29, 2021
LordReed:

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Your Bible is not a scientific treatise, it's a collection of ancient mythological tales that you want to give relevance to. I prefer what we have gathered as knowledge now, not some ancient bs legends.



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How can anyone want to give relevance to the most relevant book on earth? Reed, they reason fully na, stop misusing your faith.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nobody: 11:48pm On May 29, 2021
Image123:


How can anyone want to give relevance to the most relevant book on earth? Reed, they reason fully na, stop misusing your faith.

Why not accuse him of not understanding the Bible

That's how budaatum does it.
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 10:21am On May 30, 2021
I take it you did not study science past that which was compulsory.

My issue with what you've written here is that you have pitted science, as in, the use of the senses to assess phenomena, against religion which you seem to imply is Biblical and must merely be believed,a and this despite Christ teaching "become a scientist". Or do you not understand that "the eye is the lamp of the body" means use your senses to do the science, instead of just ignorantly believing what you read but might not even fully understand?

DavidAO:
Where Bible surpasses science.

There’s been a lot of misconceptions about biblical information. A major reason for this is because most people do not like to read for themselves and also because people do not like to be wrong about what they think life should be. This has tainted religion even as it has tainted every other areas of human endeavors.

Due to the misinterpretation of biblical information and unwillingness to adapt to change, humans have continued to dwell on certain beliefs which are both unrealistic and objective but have lasted through times and civilizations.

Science, like religion is a branch of study created by the Roman/Greek. As the Romans/Greeks took hold of the message of Christ, they influenced it with their beliefs which was basically science. The result of this is a world with clearly unobjective views about life, and absolute misinterpretation of biblical information.

While most actually think science is a branch that has surpassed religion, not many even realize that science itself is like a religion, a way with which humans try to interpret life. In fact, science as we know it to be was created by religion. Most scientific findings of the past were revealed by religious workers. In fact, controversial theories like evolution were first put forward by religious workers after which other people followed suit to develop it to what is belief to be true by some.

The Bible takes a different shape from regularly preached religious doctrines when viewed objectively. It even takes a more revealing stance than all science has been able to discover when viewed from an objectively. The problem is that people do not like to view life objectively and as mentioned before, no one likes to be wrong about what they think life should be.

An important part where the Bible has taken a more realistic stance than science is the concept of time and time flow.

If you ask anyone what’s time? They’d never have a reasonable answer to give. In my journey, I had met so many people with very funny and sometimes outrightly ridiculous view of that time is. So basically, no one actually knows what time is but certain people have been able to explain how time works. Among such people whose works is valued till today is Albert Einstein but even him could not tell what time truly is and how it truly exists. He was only able to tell how time works with his discovery of the relativity of time and since then we have come to understand that all things exists in relativity even from biblical stance.

The Bible supports relativity of time, in fact the Bible talks about the relativity of wisdom, knowledge and understanding and everything other things that affect life. But the Bible most importantly explain what time is and how it flows.

From the equation: J = W X t

We can tell that time is function of energy so we just have to tell which existed first. This subject of time has eluded most scientists because they view this equation from the right hand side; this makes time unknown. But the Bible reveals this equation from the left hand side by letting us know that energy (light) existed before time and In fact time is just a function of that energy (light).

Now this gives a better understanding of what time is than as can be obtained from even quantum mechanics because science like religion and every other aspect of human endeavor views life from below but the Bible shows us things from above. Yet, everyone understands that the better view is from above because it’s more holistic.

Another aspect of time that has confused humans till this day is it’s flow. We intuitively know that know that time flows from the past to the present but but major scientists have had a hard time grasping the reality in efforts to define life as they think it should be. For this reason we’ve had many funny assertions of time flow.

Among the unrealistic notion scientifically peddled is the assertion that time does not flow. This is an unobjective notion because we definitely change and events become past and we grow. In fact, among such peddlers of unrealistic notion are many successful scientists like Einstein, Hawkings and even present day scientists like Carlo Revolli. This is unrealistic because we will expect not to get old at all if time was stagnant and always present.

The major reason for this notion is because it’s hard to match perception with reality. Human perceive time in three dimension but time only exists in two dimensions realistically.

People perceive a to-morrow, a to-say and a yester-day. Science in it’s need to combine all perception of time as real has had to come up with unrealistic postulates like:
1. Future and past do not exist but only Now
2. Now does not exist.
An observant person will realize that these assertions are logically contrasting yet different factions of scientists and philosophers have continued working in both assertions invariably.

What does the Bible says about times flow? The Bible lets us know that there’s just light and darkness (absence of light) or more scientifically energy and absence of energy. Time exists as a movement of light away from darkness. Genesis 1:4

Therefore, there’s only two dimensions of time; a “past”, where the light was and a “present” which is where light is.

We know that the light itself is the life so wherever life is is the present and for this reason every existing day day of life is the present day. The past (yesterday) is where we were but the present is reality is the reality of life. There’s no any other time but an illusory time which is a future time that exists only in the human mind.

According to the Bible there’s just past and now. 1 John 2:8. This is the concept of time that is consistent with reality as can be observed and our journey is from darkness to light; from past to now. Now is said to be Day, thus life is a journey to-day.

I implore everyone interested in learning the truth as can be observed to visit my website https://www.davidaobooks.com and get my book, it’s titled the science of God and life and it’s basically about interpreting the Bible objectively. Those who have read so far have testified to a better understanding of the construct of life and uncommon concept like reverse-time existence and inverse reality.

The book talks about relativity of time in a way better explained than here and even defined light better than can be done in a single blogpost. Life is truly beautiful when you know what’s happening, the reality. Knowledge is the key to the reality and freedom of existence. Learn about the truth, learn about Christ in a way that supersedes the lies and deception of this world.

https://www.davidaobooks.com/product/the-science-of-god-and-life/
Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by coolcat01: 11:05am On May 31, 2021
I believe that there is some higher power that is unattainable to us and that we cannot understand or explore. I don't know what it is, but I believe it affects our lives. I don't know if it's God or something. Maybe we can't investigate it because it's immeasurable for the human brain. And I do not believe in religion. It has brought too much trouble to humanity. There are many absurdities and contradictions in it. But this is not surprising, because religion was formed by people. That's why I consider myself an agnostic.

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