youngpresidooo:


Then secondly, there are three dispensations in the bible.
First dispensation they live by their own discretion , second dispensation livw by the laws of God through moses and last by Jesus.Now in all these three, they are only shadows of themselves and there was no changes in anything among the three dispensation.
Everything before the law still remains after the law and grace.

why don't you practice biblical Laws?. The laws are valid as long as you claim to follow Jesus.

To mention a few, the laws:

Circumcision Genesis 17:13
Punishment for blasphemy Leviticus 24:16
Punishment for theft Exodus 21;16
Punishment for adultery Leviticus 20:10

Now for the case of muslims or arabs as a whole came from ishmael half brother to isaac born by hagar who was a slave. Immediately Isaac was conceived she was sent out of the land and the lord made a prophecy in the bible that the seeds of ishmael will forever be an enemy to Isaac seeds.

there is no problem btw prophets Ismail and Isiak. They were God's prophets. It is you Judeo-christian zionists that are causing problems. Current Jews in the state of Israel are zionist Jews supported by zionist christians like you and your fellow christian extremists.

Ishmael is said to have I think 12princes and from the beginning of life till now ishmael seeds has always been a thorn in the life of Israel's seed.

As for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. Gen 17:20

Saying muslim or no muslim , there was no religion in the beginning of life,people live the way they wish but they believe there are some diety to worship.

No. The first ma'am created was offered by God to obey Him. Whoever obeyed ama submitted is what is called Muslim. Islam means total surrender to God's Will. The one who surrenders and submits is called Muslim. This means Islam came with Adam but there was no religious terminology then until Noah. Then Abraham made Islam permanent. Moses and other prophets to Jesus progressed and propagated Islam and prophet Muhammad sealed the deal.

Isaac doesn't even know ishmael and secondly Isaac is not a prophet

Empiree:
why don't you practice biblical Laws?. The laws are valid as long as you claim to follow Jesus.

To mention a few, the laws:

Circumcision Genesis 17:13
Punishment for blasphemy Leviticus 24:16
Punishment for theft Exodus 21;16
Punishment for adultery Leviticus 20:10




there is no problem btw prophets Ismail and Isiak. They were God's prophets. It is you Judeo-christian zionists that are causing problems. Current Jews in the state of Israel are zionist Jews supported by zionist christians like you and your fellow christian extremists.



As for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. Gen 17:20


No. The first ma'am created was offered by God to obey Him. Whoever obeyed ama submitted is what is called Muslim. Islam means total surrender to God's Will. The one who surrenders and submits is called Muslim. This means Islam came with Adam but there was no religious terminology then until Noah. Then Abraham made Islam permanent. Moses and other prophets to Jesus progressed and propagated Islam and prophet Muhammad sealed the deal.

youngpresidooo:
and secondly Isaac is not a prophet

And We granted him IsHāq (Isaac) and Ya‘qūb (Jacob), and assigned prophet-hood and Book to his progeny, and gave him his reward in the world; and of course, in the Hereafter, he will be one of the righteous. Q29:27

Isaac doesn't even know ishmael

Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his people. Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite, Gen 25:-9


You said Isaac didn't know him but you're Bible shows they were together here

When me saying know, I mean they don't even know each other from when Isaac was born.
Ishmael attending burial of Abraham doesn't make him know isaac.
Sure isaac must have heard of his existence before Abraham death but he has nothing to do with ishmael.
If you don't know, ishmael according to tradition of israel is a bastard and has no inheritance or anything to do with Abraham.
And please the word prophet is never misused in the bible, all those you mentioned are never recorded as a prophet.
Yea heroes of faith but not prophet.
By virtue of some of the commanded given by moses they were even sinners if they were present in the time of moses.
Even God at a time had to tell Abraham to be holy .

Empiree:
And We granted him IsHāq (Isaac) and Ya‘qūb (Jacob), and assigned prophet-hood and Book to his progeny, and gave him his reward in the world; and of course, in the Hereafter, he will be one of the righteous. Q29:27






Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his people. Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite, Gen 25:-9


You said Isaac didn't know him but you're Bible shows they were together here

Empiree:
You see, the way to know someone knows what he's talking about is by bringing evidence to the table but you didn't do that. Anyways I will manage this your post for now.

We believe in all prophets even if they are prophets sent to India, china etc. But we use QUR'AN as criterion to determine their true message better their people possibly misconstrued their message after them. So based on your statement, it is in conflict with other verses of the bible and Quran. This shows the statement is false.

The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. Ezekiel 18:20


And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And if a heavily laden soul calls [another] to [carry some of] its load, nothing of it will be carried, even if he should be a close relative. You can only warn those who fear their Lord unseen and have established prayer. And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to God is the [final] destination’ (Surah 35:18)


Those two verse from Quran and Bible refuted your claim in Isiah.



well this is very simple. It is not debatable at all. If according to Bible, second and or third party must give spiritual birth to you, that's Bible perceptive. This is not problem for Muslims. My only concern was why would Jesus baptized to in order to receive "holy spirit"?. Does that mean Jesus spiritual status faded before?

well the Bible shared that the Jesus came to do the will of the father, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the same whom you refer to as Muslim tho, so Jesus been baptized was only in accordance to the earlier affirmation tho

Isaiah the Muslim prophet made comments about Jesus/Emmanuel tho of which he talked him taking upon him the sins of his people, is it the same Isaiah the prophet you refer to?

Jesus who is a Muslim taught about the holy spirit tho, does this differ from you believe?

RealEzee:
well the Bible shared that the Jesus came to do the will of the father, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the same whom you refer to as Muslim tho, so Jesus been baptized was only in accordance to the earlier affirmation tho

Isaiah the Muslim prophet made comments about Jesus/Emmanuel tho of which he talked him taking upon him the sins of his people, is it the same Isaiah the prophet you refer to?

Jesus who is a Muslim taught about the holy spirit tho, does this differ from you believe?

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LikeAking:


Not a Muslim.

Of I was a Muslim, I too would have denied being one.

Watch this as the Palestinians are acting like been dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJhYaF-xxOo

RealEzee:
well the Bible shared that the Jesus came to do the will of the father, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the same whom you refer to as Muslim tho,

absolutely... All prophet practiced same religion and they subsequently complemented one another. So Abraham being "father of Faith" was a muslim

Q3:67

Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun(polytheists)


And this verse proves further


"When his Lord said to him, ‘Submit [to My will],’ he [Abraham] responded, ‘I submit to the Lord of all worlds,’ and Abraham instructed his sons to do the same, as did Jacob, [saying], ‘My sons, God has chosen for you this faith; so do not die except in [a state of full] Islam. ’ Were you [Jews] there to see when death came upon Jacob? When he said to his sons, ‘What will you worship after I am gone?’ They replied, ‘We will [continue to] worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac—the One God. And we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.’ That community passed away. What they earned belongs to them, and what you earn belongs to you. And you will not be accountable for their deeds. They say, ‘Become Jews or Christians, and you will be rightly guided.’ Say [O Prophet], ‘No! We follow the faith of Abraham, the upright—who was not a polytheist.’" (Quran 2:131-135)

These two verses are egg proofs that prophets brekkie Jesus were Muslims. Now let's look at Jesus


Q 42:13

The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah-the which We have sent by inspiration to thee(prophet muhammad)-and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).




Q 61:6

And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.(prophet muhammad)” But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, “this is evident sorcery!”





Q 3:52

Then when 'Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)."

so Jesus been baptized was only in accordance to the earlier affirmation tho

baptistism is not issue here bro. Do you have evidence where Abraham Moses Jacob Isaac were baptized?. Please quote Bible verse of you have one. Thanks

Isaiah the Muslim prophet made comments about Jesus/Emmanuel tho of which he talked him taking upon him the sins of his people, is it the same Isaiah the prophet you refer to?

you may have to clarify yourself here. Taking about sin of people is not an issue.

Jesus who is a Muslim taught about the holy spirit tho, does this differ from you believe?

Christians have bastardized "holy spirit". Holy spirit in Islam is Angel Jibril (Gabriel) who was sent to prophets.




Q 5:110

O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’




Q 6:85

And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous.




Q 2:87

We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit.



Q 2:253

. . . To Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit.



Finally, prophet muhammad also followed footsteps of his predecessors


"Then, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW saying): "Follow the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham) Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah) and he was not of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers, etc.)". Q 16:123

youngpresidooo:

If you don't know, ishmael according to tradition of israel is a bastard and has no inheritance or anything to do with Abraham.

don't you realize Jews already shot themselves in the foot by this?. If Ishmael was a bastard, what did that make "Abraham who is father of Faith"?. It means he was not righteous man. So let the Jews resolve this contradiction.

And please the word prophet is never misused in the bible, all those you mentioned are never recorded as a prophet.

that's your Bible. Bible that downgraded prophets... What did you expect?. Bible that says Jacob was drunk and na.ked and slept with his daughters. This should serves as red flag

ViolentMooslim:



Of I was a Muslim, I too would have denied being one.

Check my post.

LikeAking:


Check my post.

Because I'm jobless?

Empiree:
don't you realize Jews already shot themselves in the foot by this?. If Ishmael was a bastard, what did that make "Abraham who is father of Faith"?. It means he was not righteous man. So let the Jews resolve this contradiction.



that's your Bible. Bible that downgraded prophets... What did you expect?. Bible that says Jacob was drunk and na.ked and slept with his daughters. This should serves as red flag

lol
Read my past records.
Righteousness is not determined by works in the old testament but by obedience.
I told you he wasn't holy but you trickishly leave that out.
Lolzzxx

Empiree:
don't you realize Jews already shot themselves in the foot by this?. If Ishmael was a bastard, what did that make "Abraham who is father of Faith"?. It means he was not righteous man. So let the Jews resolve this contradiction.



that's your Bible. Bible that downgraded prophets... What did you expect?. Bible that says Jacob was drunk and na.ked and slept with his daughters. This should serves as red flag

jacob never slept with his daughters it was lot that did.
Please who gives you all this lies now.
Be calming down.
And which daughters sef.
He had only one daughter recorded in the bible dinah, so which daughters are talking of .
Lot slept with his two daughters , yes.
Jacob,Isaac and Abraham were never holy.
They were righteous only because of their obedience.
Infact no one can be righteous on its own.
In this era. Righteousness is in christ jesus.
Once you believe he is your lord and savior you are automatically righteous.
Which is not based on your works
Only holiness is based on works, that is why you can grow in holiness but not in righteousness. Our righteousness is in the believe of the death n resurrection of christ jesus.
The bible also instruct we test all spirit, that any spirit who doesn't believe and I paraphrase in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, no matter how it tries to looks real is the spirit of the anti christ.
And to be sincere under the precept of the bible islam runs by the spirit of anti christ.
You guys believe in existence of Jesus. But will never accept in the death and resurrection of Jesus christ.
You guys fits in this discription to the letter

And moreover Mahdi, what's up with him, because he is the coming false prophet which will prepare the way for the anti christ.
Hope you guys know that you call him your saviour.
A perfect description of Mahdi is in the bible and he is seen as a false prophet.
Forcing people to serve the beast(anti christ).
Note that this prophecy have been before Muhammed came to this world.
You can take your time to study revelation
In the bible and Daniel and Ezekiel, you should understand what is happening in the world today and who you guys are and compare the description of antichrist and false prophet and Mahdi and your expected coming saviour.

ViolentMooslim:




Because I'm jobless?

Even if you have a job still check.

How many secs will it take?

LikeAking:


Even if you have a job still check.

How many secs will it take?

Not worth the salt. Sell it to another person.

ViolentMooslim:





Not worth the salt. Sell it to another person.

T F Y

Empiree:
why don't you practice biblical Laws?. The laws are valid as long as you claim to follow Jesus.

To mention a few, the laws:

Circumcision Genesis 17:13
Punishment for blasphemy Leviticus 24:16
Punishment for theft Exodus 21;16
Punishment for adultery Leviticus 20:10




there is no problem btw prophets Ismail and Isiak. They were God's prophets. It is you Judeo-christian zionists that are causing problems. Current Jews in the state of Israel are zionist Jews supported by zionist christians like you and your fellow christian extremists.



As for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. Gen 17:20


No. The first ma'am created was offered by God to obey Him. Whoever obeyed ama submitted is what is called Muslim. Islam means total surrender to God's Will. The one who surrenders and submits is called Muslim. This means Islam came with Adam but there was no religious terminology then until Noah. Then Abraham made Islam permanent. Moses and other prophets to Jesus progressed and propagated Islam and prophet Muhammad sealed the deal.

Salvation

صِرَا طَ الَّذِيْنَ اَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ  ۙ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوْبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّآلِّيْنَ
"The path of those upon whom You have bestowed HOLY/PURE Spirit, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray." #God
#Holyispiritkey

elijahkayode:




Salvation

صِرَا طَ الَّذِيْنَ اَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ  ۙ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوْبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّآلِّيْنَ
"The path of those upon whom You have bestowed HOLY/PURE Spirit, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray." #God
#Holyispiritkey

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