Lukuluku69:


Shia, Sunni, does it matter? They both believe in the same Qur'an. Don't they?

And while Christians slaughtered each other thru the ages, didn't they believe in the same Bible and Jesus their Lord an Saviour?

Not all Christians and their denominations are real followers of christ. Yes, Christianity is true religion and love is the true mark. John 12:34,35.
Shia and sunni cannot be right in Islam. Why are they killing themselves ? Proxy war is going on in Yemen between Shia and sunni. Islam was established and spread with the blood.

Lukuluku69:


So, you are saying no one Christian have killed another Christan?

No supposedly Christian Nation have fought a war with another Christian Nation?

In the Quran you have a UNIVERSAL LAW. Virtually every thing has been lesgislated upon. No room for man made Laws.

Open the Qur'an and edify yourself.

There are millions of Christians that have other Christians and non Christians , but the Bible did not teach them to do that .
The Bible condemns killing and shedding of blood .
The Bible says a murderer will go to hell.

Tell us some of the UNIVERSAL LAWS of the Qur'an which would give fair Justice to everyone universally ?

I've been through this with Lukmon before it only ended in him labelling my organization as if i caused their confusion in Islam.
Even after telling that only JWs should be viewed as Christians which he himself said the belief differs he still wants to argue in support of Islam only to start going back to the denomination saga that i've told him doesn't have grounds in Christianity.
Only JWs are true Christians, ask him to tell you which group can we use as model for true Islam?
My 52 year old friend will start arguing blindly upon nothing!

joyandfaith:


Not all Christians and their denominations are real followers of christ. Yes, Christianity is true religion and love is the true mark. John 12:34,35.
Shia and sunni cannot be right in Islam. Why are they killing themselves ? Proxy war is going on in Yemen between Shia and sunni. Islam was established and spread with the blood.

MaxInDHouse:
OK i get you now, our God has nothing to do with their effort in making things better so we also don't participate in whatever they're working at, we only obey their instructions as long as it doesn't negates our beliefs!

Even if God has nothing to do with their efforts to make things better , would God not be happy to see good and great decisions taken to benefit the Christians and help them to make heaven ?

For example , if a member of your organization comes into power in Russia and reverse any bad laws set up to frustrate your organization . Wouldn't that be great ?

Would that not be pleasing to God ?

enilove:

Even if God has nothing to do with their efforts to make things better , would God not be happy to see good and great decisions taken to benefit the Christians and help them to make heaven?

They are humans under the control of Satan the devil but they can come to their senses and think of a better way to handle our case than persecution. For instance Gamaliel was a prominent member of the Jewish High Court in the first century. He stood up to speak about the ill-treatment given to Christians simply because they have a separate form of faith. {Act 5:33-39} this is the same group where a secret follower of Jesus (Nicodemus) is also a prominent member but can he defend the Christians from being persecuted? The answer is NO! Rather Nicodemus has been silenced! John 7:50-52

For example , if a member of your organization comes into power in Russia and reverse any bad laws set up to frustrate your organization . Wouldn't that be great?

The first step you must take to become one of us is to disassociate yourself from all political elements. So a JW can never become anything in Satan's system!

Would that not be pleasing to God?

Our God will reward such a person by welcoming him/her into the family (provided such a person is ready to learn the truth and forgo Satan's government)

MaxInDHouse:

They are humans under the control of Satan the devil but they can come to their senses and think of a better way to handle our case than persecution. For instance Gamaliel was a prominent member of the Jewish High Court in the first century. He stood up to speak about the ill-treatment given to Christians simply because they have a separate form of faith. {Act 5:33-39} this is the same group where a secret follower of Jesus (Nicodemus) is also a prominent member but can he defend the Christians from being persecuted? The answer is NO! Rather Nicodemus has been silenced! John 7:50-52

The first step you must take to become one of us is to disassociate yourself from all political elements. So a JW can never become anything in Satan's system!

Our God will reward such a person by welcoming him/her into the family (provided such a person is ready to learn the truth and forgo Satan's government)

Are you not yourself under the control of Satan to think everyone who is not a Jehovah witness is under the control of Satan ?

Your organization came into existence not more than 200 years ago and Christianity has been existing for over 2000 years ago .
Does that mean Christians who lived b4 your organization existed did not know God and were under the control of Satan ?

Lukuluku69:


Open the Qur'an and edify yourself.

Just as you agree that it is easy for CHRISTIANS to tell you same to equally edify yourself with the Bible.

enilove:


Are you not yourself under the control of Satan to think everyone who is not a Jehovah witness is under the control of Satan ?

Your organization came into existence not more than 200 years ago and Christianity has been existing for over 2000 years ago .
Does that mean Christians who lived b4 your organization existed did not know God and were under the control of Satan ?

He sure knows the organization he belongs is influenced by Satan and share common denominators with other Christian denomination he believes are Satan's organization.

enilove:

Are you not yourself under the control of Satan to think everyone who is not a Jehovah witness is under the control of Satan?

What we are saying is "All authorities ruling over humans are under Satan". That's why they can never make LOVE, JOY and PEACE work in any society humans are ruling! Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9

Your organization came into existence not more than 200 years ago and Christianity has been existing for over 2000 years ago .
Does that mean Christians who lived b4 your organization existed did not know God and were under the control of Satan ?

YES! God's people has been enslaved in false religions since the death of Apostle John until America declared FREEDOM OF SPEECH EXPRESSION and WORSHIP. That is the time God's people began leaving all the false religions in which they were in bondage {Revelations 18:4} to form an organization today!

MaxInDHouse:

What we are saying is "All authorities ruling over humans are under Satan". That's why they can never make LOVE, JOY and PEACE work in any society humans are ruling! Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9


YES! God's people has been enslaved in false religions since the death of Apostle John until America declared FREEDOM OF SPEECH EXPRESSION and WORSHIP. That is the time God's people began leaving all the false religions in which they were in bondage {Revelations 18:4} to form an organization today!

1)
It is the authority of Jehovah witness organization that is under Satan's authority and not the true Churches or God .
The true Churches of God are under the Authority of Jesus Christ :

Colossians 1:17-20 KJV
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[19] For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
[20] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Ephesians 1:20-22 KJV
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, [21] Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: [22] And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

2) You said God's people had been enslaved in false religion after the death of John the beloved until America declared freedom of speech of expression and worship .

Based on what you claimed above , was Satan not ruling during the time America declared the freedom of speech and freedom of religion which brought produced JW organization ?

The highlighted settles the matter!
Now you understand what i'm saying, at least you now know we are not worshiping the same God with you people!
So there's no need asking further questions!

enilove:

It is the authority of Jehovah witness organization that is under Satan's authority


Based on what you claimed above , was Satan not ruling during the time America declared the freedom of speech and freedom of religion which brought produced JW organization ?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted settles the matter!
Now you understand what i'm saying, at least you now know we are not worshiping the same God with you people!
So there's no need asking further questions!

I have told you this before . Your god is different from the Christian God.

Well if you say so!

enilove:

I have told you this before . Your god is different from the Christian God.

You two are amusing.

budaatum:
You two are amusing.

What do you think about the Jehovah witness organization , are they of God or of the devil ?

enilove:

What do you think about the Jehovah witness organization , are they of God or of the devil ?

Sounds to me like you have not quite been reading my responses to you in this thread because if you had you'd not have asked buda who says Muslims with their different book worship God, if Jehova Witnesses who read the same Christian book worship God or worship Satan.

I wonder if you are familiar Parable of the Orangutan, where a human was photographing a drowning man while the orangutan reached out to save him.

I used to have this nice JW family who lived opposite me. His wife is nice and he is kind and their 4 sons are well behaved. They'd keep my deliveries if I'm out and I'd keep their's if I were in. They are Igbo too while I am Yoruba, and the Spirit of Christ dwelt amongst us. So I'd say they are of God, or at least their fruits are Godly.

I knew a JW called Papa Roger who used to visit my ma. He was 99 years old, strong as an ox, and asked me once who my God was. I told him none, as I was an atheist at the time, and Papa Roger shunned me for months afterwards whenever he met me at ma's. Time passed while we both grew older, and someone must have told him of my fruits because one day he said to me, "You do quite a lot of what Christ's says one should do, so stop calling yourself an atheist!" Then he wrote me a cheque for £200 as a contribution to my next book shipment.

My point? God alone judges who worships God, enilove, God and the small minded who say "Lord, Lord" but in their hearts worship satan.

I've told you several times that those JWs love you as a neighbour {Mark 12:31} not as a member of our spiritual family! Matthew 12:46-49
Do you think Jesus hate his own mother and brothers? Of course not! But they're not his true families because they are not ready to live by the same rules with him. John 17:8-9
Do the JWs allow you to pray with them?
That is a sign that you're not worshiping the same God with us but that doesn't stop us from treating you like one of our neighbours!

budaatum:


Sounds to me like you have not quite been reading my responses to you in this thread because if you had you'd not have asked buda who says Muslims with their different book worship God, if Jehova Witnesses who read the same Christian book worship God or worship Satan.

I wonder if you are familiar Parable of the Orangutan, where a human was photographing a drowning man while the orangutan reached out to save him.

I used to have this nice JW family who lived opposite me. His wife is nice and he is kind and their 4 sons are well behaved. They'd keep my deliveries if I'm out and I'd keep their's if I were in. They are Igbo too while I am Yoruba, and the Spirit of Christ dwelt amongst us. So I'd say they are of God, or at least their fruits are Godly.

I knew a JW called Papa Roger who used to visit my ma. He was 99 years old, strong as an ox, and asked me once who my God was. I told him none, as I was an atheist at the time, and Papa Roger shunned me for months afterwards whenever he met me at ma's. Time passed while we both grew older, and someone must have told him of my fruits because one day he said to me, "You do quite a lot of what Christ's says one should do, so stop calling yourself an atheist!" Then he wrote me a cheque for £200 as a contribution to my next book shipment.

My point? God alone judges who worships God, enilove, God and the small minded who say "Lord, Lord" but in their hearts worship satan.

We are 100% pleased to know that you think we are for the devil {Mark 3:22} as long as you're not ready to abide by the same rules with us anything you think about us is OK! Matthew 10:22-25
Just be rest assured that our God differs from yours, period! John 17:8-9

enilove:

What do you think about the Jehovah witness organization , are they of God or of the devil ?

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you several times that those JWs love you as a neighbour {Mark 12:31} not as a member of our spiritual family! Matthew 12:46-49
Do you think Jesus hate his own mother and brothers? Of course not! But they're not his true families because they are not ready to live by the same rules with him. John 17:8-9
Do the JWs allow you to pray with them?
That is a sign that you're not worshiping the same God with us but that doesn't stop us from treating you like one of our neighbours!

See as you are trying to polute the good relationship my JW neighbours and I have as if you are working for satan, unlike my JW neighbours who are very definitely doing what Christ taught them to do and are working for Christ!

Enilove, please do not judge a religion by those who claim to practise it, because just as there are those who yell "Lord Lord" in Christianity do they also, as we can see here, exist in JW and in Islam, and obviously in Christianity itself!

Please Max, find someone else to peddle the bile in your heart to because buda will die first than join you in it and God will burn me in hell if I even considered it for one single moment!

You dodged my question!
Have you ever prayed with the JWs before?
Of course if you live next to me, you and i will share so many things in common as humans with the exception of anything having to do with worship. That's what i'm telling you!

budaatum:

See as you are trying to polute the good relationship my JW neighbours and I have as if you are working for satan, unlike my JW neighbours who are very definitely doing what Christ taught them to do and are working gor Christ!
Enilove, please do not judge a religion by those who claim to practise it, because just as those who yell "Lord Lord" in Christianity do they also, as we can see here, exist in JW, and in Islam, and obviously in Christianity itself!
Please Max, find someone else to peddle the bile in your heart to because buda will die first than join you in it, and God will burn me in hell if I even considered it for one single moment!

MaxInDHouse:
You dodged my question!
Have you ever prayed with the JWs before?
Of course if you live next to me, you and i will share so many things in common as humans with the exception of anything having to do with worship. That's what i'm telling you!

I do not need to pray with JW! In fact, I hardly pray with anyone since my praying is a private conversation between me and my God, so why treat it like a Nairaland thread where all sorts of people will come and talk nonsense and stop me hearing God?

You should take your Bible a bit more seriously than you seem to currently do!

For your information, worship is not praying or song singing. Worship is about your relationship with your fellow human being, and it definitely does not include the sort of relationship you seem to want to have that is halfhearted and dishonest.

If my neighbour thinks like you do or if you make me think or believe they do think like you do, I will distrust them and our relationship will be like one the devil has corrupted!

Don't worry yourself buda, if you want to know the meaning of what's written in our book we'll teach you but if you think otherwise we'll leave you.
The part you're quoting is about private matters but regarding God's kingdom blessings JWs PRAY TOGETHER AS ONE FAMILY! John 17:8-9, 20-23; Hebrews 10:24-25

budaatum:

I do not need to pray with JW! In fact, I hardly pray with anyone since my praying is a private conversation between me and my God, so why treat it like a Nairaland thread where all sorts of people will come and talk nonsense and stop me hearing God?
You should take your Bible a bit more seriously than you seem to currently do!

Well i've only told you the TRUTH if you're mad at me then it's your own palavah!

budaatum:
For your information, worship is not praying or song singing. Worship is about your relationship with your fellow human being, and it definitely does not include the sort of relationship you seem to want to have that is halfhearted and dishonest.
If my neighbour thinks like you do or if you make me think or believe they do think like you do, I will distrust them and our relationship will be like one the devil has corrupted!

MaxInDHouse:
Well i've only told you the TRUTH if you're mad at me then it's your own palavah!

You have not told any truth, Max. You have only said that which will cause bitterness between my very nice JW family next door and myself. But I assure you that the devil will fail, and I intend to not quickly forget what you have done here!

As a neighbour you're welcome but as a worshiper of our God i'm sorry it's NO! NO!! NO!!!

budaatum:

You have not told any truth, Max. You have only said that which will cause bitterness between my very nice JW family next door and myself. But I assure you that the devil will fail, and I intend to not quickly forget what you have done here!

MaxInDHouse:
We are 100% pleased to know that you think we are for the devil {Mark 3:22} as long as you're not ready to abide by the same rules with us anything you think about us is OK! Matthew 10:22-25
Just be rest assured that our God differs from yours, period! John 17:8-9

Wikipedia has this to say about your organization :

Great Pyramid as a "stone witness" of God. Russell wrote in 1910 that God had the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt built as a testimony to the truth of the Bible and proof of its chronology identifying the "last days".[75][76] In 1928 The Watch Tower rejected the doctrine and claimed the Pyramid had been built under the direction of Satan.[77]

That is the founder of your organization saying the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt was built by his god the devil .
That is the organization you think is for God?

Please , pray for Divine revelations regarding your organization to avoid going to hell .

enilove:


Wikipedia has this to say about your organization :

Great Pyramid as a "stone witness" of God. Russell wrote in 1910 that God had the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt built as a testimony to the truth of the Bible and proof of its chronology identifying the "last days".[75][76] In 1928 The Watch Tower rejected the doctrine and claimed the Pyramid had been built under the direction of Satan.[77]

That is the founder of your organization saying the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt was built by his god the devil .
That is the organization you think is for God?

Please , pray for Divine revelations regarding your organization to avoid going to hell .

At least you have gotten some DIVINE stuff it's enough!

The highlighted is enough to help you grasp what's going on, Wikipedia is human's invention it has no say over our organization, because our righteousness is not for Wikipedia! Isaiah 54:17

MaxInDHouse:


At least you have gotten some DIVINE stuff it's enough!

The highlighted is enough to help you grasp what's going on, Wikipedia is human's invention it has no say over our organization, because our righteousness is not for Wikipedia! Isaiah 54:17

Wikipedia is just like an electronic archives for historical materials . It not an invention designed to intervene in anybody's affairs.
It is for records purposes only.

At least you have read what I posted . It is now left to you to dig deep into that organization .

Why not ask the same Wikipedia about Jesus?
Then use whatever Wikipedia tells you about Jesus determine your Faith!

enilove:

Wikipedia is just like an electronic archives for historical materials . It not an invention designed to intervene in anybody's affairs.
It is for records purposes only.
At least you have read what I posted . It is now left to you to dig deep into that organization .

MaxInDHouse:
Why not ask the same Wikipedia about Jesus?
Then use whatever Wikipedia tells you about Jesus determine your Faith!

For sure if you want to read more about Jesus outside the biblical accounts , you can go to Wikipedia.
It will tell you the dates the books of the gospel were written and their writers etc.
It will tell you about the parents and what people of other faith believed concerning Jesus and more .
It will give accurate accounts of the write-ups about Jesus .

But as Christians , the Bible is sufficient for us.

What was written about your founder regarding the Pyramid was an excerpt of your organization's publication which you can't deny.

enilove:


For sure if you want to read more about Jesus outside the biblical accounts , you can go to Wikipedia.
It will tell you the dates the books of the gospel were written and their writers etc.
It will tell you about the parents and what people of other believed concerning Jesus and more .
It will give accurate accounts of the write-ups about Jesus .

But as Christians , the Bible is sufficient for us.

What was written about your founder was excerpt of your organization's publication which you can't deny.

I mentioned the name of our founder (Jesus) and you've said "the Bible is sufficient"

So i don't need Wikipedia!