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jesusjnr2020:
It's only lack of knowledge that would make anyone object that glaring Truth!

Prove all things. Hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

You want to know what lack of knowledge is? It's the inability to PROVE your supposed "glaring Truth" in the scripture, but instead, based your doctrines and commandments on "hearsays" and "tradition of men". Here's another hammer on you:

And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 15:9

Shame.

truespeak:
Bro, I Stand and Defend The Truth only thus I Stand against Untruths and Lies thus you would Never find me on the side Against Truth!

Never!

Then I'm afraid, Cornel is in big trouble.

Stick around for the final verdict on him when evening comes. He has from now till evening, on or before 9pm to defend himself.

Watch out.

truespeak:
Speak for yourself!

We Dwell with Him, He has Never Deserted us!

By the way, why is he forcing words on Jesus mouth, seeing that the Lord neither gave such a wicked commandment nor His Father?

Maybe Op has been deserted.

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you the truth and presented the group practicing it so if my explanation is not enough go and study the group i presented but if you don't agree no problem continue worshiping your God with your brethren!

The one and only MaxInDHouse! Now run along. It's obvious you have no more lies to spin around. Or perhaps, you're scared of being caught in another evil web.

Dtruthspeaker:
So it is unconnected and inapplicable here for The Law Giver Issued a different Command, Under His Rights to issue Commands

Dtruth, well done.

Can you believe that a simple task was given to OkCornel and up till now, he is nowhere to be found, only hanging on to death straws?

Call help for him if you can, and please stick around in the evening.

https://www.nairaland.com/6611596/many-christians-only-know-law/8#103097696

truespeak:
See attempt to reargue an already settled matter which you could not Rebut or Counter!

Very hilarious. His case is a classic example of grasping at straws.

He was also full of emotions throughout. Wish he knew that God does not work based on sentiments and emotions, but on wisdom and sound principles.

Lies can never hold a united people from different races together as ONE, what i'm saying has brought people from different races together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to John 17:20-23
I'm sorry for you and your impotent god!

Splinz:
The one and only MaxInDHouse! Now run along. It's obvious you have no more lies to spin around. Or perhaps, you're scared of being caught in another evil web.

MaxInDHouse:
Lies can never hold a united people from different races together as ONE, what i'm saying has brought people from different races together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to John 17:20-23
I'm sorry for you and your impotent god!

Your god? He has always been a liar (John 8:44). You're of your father, spinning lies wherever you go.

The lies that has picked people from all races across the globe and turned them into one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, shey? Micah 4:1-3 compare to Matthew 5:13-16; John 17:20-23
In fact the world really need that lie Sir! Luke 12:10-12

Splinz:
Your god? He has always been a liar (John 8:44). You're of your father, spinning lies wherever you go.

Dtruthspeaker:
As we have settled we all have a God Owed Duty to love each other Ammonites, Moabites, Amalekites, Israelite, NigerArearite.

But here Another Law from The Same Law Giver was Issued and had priority. Deuteronomy 23:3 in the case of Ammonites and Moabites.

While the Amalekites were commanded to be utterly destroyed by The Law Giver. 1 Samuel 15.

So it is unconnected and inapplicable here for The Law Giver Issued a different Command, Under His Rights to issue Commands

And those who do not follow this duty, but go around persecuting and harming you, are these people your neighbor or your enemy?

Splinz:
No Cornel, no such demarcation exist in verse 43 neither is verse 44 a supposed new teaching or commandment. Careless reading is why you're seeing it that way.

Now, let's look at it one more time:



The question is: Where or from whom did the people hear such a law or commandment from? Who taught or authored such law? Did God or any of His prophets teach or gave such law? Just, who said it? If anyone can find any of this answer to these questions in the scripture, I'd gladly tender an apology to such person. Anyone up for the challenge?

Cornel, understand. What Jesus said in verse 43 was neither an existing law nor affirmation of such law or commandment, supposedly from God or any of His prophets. Rather, what Jesus stated there was simply the tradition or teaching of the people. We all know the Pharisees right? This people, being that they were teachers of the law and scholars of the time, were notorious in churning out all sort of laws, rules, teachings, customs and traditions, that God has not authorized, all in a bid to be seen as righteous or men of high repute.

As an example of the Pharisees excesses, take a look at Mark 7:4-16, and see how Jesus call out their madness.

Lastly I repeat, Jesus neither stated an existing law or commandment from God nor affirms such. Rather, He was telling the people to do away with such practice and embrace verse 44, which has always been God's position. In any case, the challenge still stands for anyone to try. I shall wait for a response.

And again I repeat, bring out the scripture that defines your enemy as a neighbor. Guess what? You can’t. All you have so far are your explanations with no scriptural references.

Let me make it very easy for you.

Who is YOUR NEIGHBOR? The one who shows mercy to you;

Luke 10 v 36-37;

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”


Who are your enemies? These are the ones who persecute and harm you.

Matthew 5 v 43-44;

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others?Do not even pagans do that?



Now my people on nairaland can you plead with Splinz to show us in the scriptures where enemies are also considered neighbors? Were the robbers (obvious enemies) who attacked the traveller, the Priest and Levite also considered neighbors to the attacked traveller too?

I don’t want too much explanation, just scriptural references that shows us how an enemy is also considered a neighbor (as Jesus defined in the parable of the Good Samaritan)


Thanks.

Cc: Jesusjnr2020, MaxinDHouse, Kobojunkie.

MaxInDHouse:
The lies that has picked people from all races across the globe and turned them into one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, shey? Micah 4:1-3 compare to Matthew 5:13-16; John 17:20-23
In fact the world really need that lie Sir! Luke 12:10-12

Supposing this was true, is it a surprise? Oh c'mon, even Satan is transformed into an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14). Are you misinformed?

Splinz:
Then I'm afraid, Cornel is in big trouble.

Stick around for the final verdict on him when evening comes. He has from now till evening, on or before 9pm to defend himself.

Watch out.

Defend myself from what exactly?

We can see clearly where Jesus instructed his followers to love their enemies in the New Testament as per Matthew 5.

Does this love your enemy law also apply in the Torah (hello, the Amalekites, Moabites and Ammonites ring a loud bell)

Don’t twist away from this now

I need a straight answer, no round about, no running around.

Splinz:
You want to know what lack of knowledge is? It's the inability to PROVE your supposed "glaring Truth" in the scripture, but instead, based your doctrines and commandments on "hearsays" and "tradition of men". Here's another hammer on you:

Shame.

Lol!

Jesus sayings is now "hearsays" and the traditions of men and not scriptures?

Not surprised.

You claimed that "hate your enemy" wasn't a Law in the first place because you said you couldn't find it in the scripture, which was already erroneous, however I still gave you Laws as that of Laws of Moses concerning divorce and a person caught in adultery, which you can't deny were there in the scriptures to prove the glaring Truth which you deny, that Jesus brought a new Law which was a better and greater Law and an upgrade to the Law of Moses.

Let me take my time now to spell out some of the Laws of Moses in the Bible which Jesus upgraded, by amending or abolishing with His new Law:

1. The Law of Moses on divorce.

Deuteronomy 24:1 (KJV)

When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Deuteronomy 24:3 (KJV)

And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

Mark 10:2-4 (KJV)

And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.

This was Jesus' new Law which amended it:

Matthew 5:31-32 (KJV)

It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Mark 10:4-9 (KJV)

And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.



Take note: We're speaking of the Law of Moses here, so that it would not be confused for what was in the beginning, because the Law of Moses wasn't in the beginning. What was in the beginning was greater than the Law of Moses, and Jesus was the one God sent to restore things back to the way they were in the beginning when things were perfect, which He did with this His new Law on divorce.

Splinz:
You want to know what lack of knowledge is? It's the inability to PROVE your supposed "glaring Truth" in the scripture, but instead, based your doctrines and commandments on "hearsays" and "tradition of men". Here's another hammer on you:

Shame.

The Law of Moses on anyone caught on the act of adultery.

Leviticus 20:10 (KJV)

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

John 8:3-5 (KJV)

And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

Here the new Law of Christ which amended that Law of Moses:

John 8:7 (KJV)

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.



Take note: This new Law of Jesus which amended that Law of Moses is the reason Christians don't stone those caught in the act of adultery to death, despite the Law being in the Bible.

You can continue lying to yourself that Jesus didn't bring a new Law though, in spite of these glaring instances that prove He did.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol!
Jesus sayings is now "hearsays" and the traditions of men and not scriptures?

Show me such a say, said by Jesus or His Father in Matthew 5:43. Nor any of the prophets.

Stop quoting irrelevant passages for me. Why is it so difficult for you and OkCornel to stay focused on what is being discussed? My friend, be consistent. Stay on what is asked; Matthew 5:43.

Wow!

Now i know you don't even understand the words you're quoting!

When the scriptures say Satan transformed himself into an angel of light does it also implies that his human agents will be able to produce the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit? Galatians 5:22-23

My friend, you don't understand the Bible so calm down and learn. Satan will pose with his agents as good people before unsuspecting gullible people but no matter how Satan tries he can never organize imperfect humans and make them produce the FRUIT that only God's Holy Spirit can work out in the midst of imperfect humans! Matthew 7:16-28

So take a deep breath and meditate on Paul's closing remarks @ Galatians 5:23

"against such THERE IS NO LAW"

This means once you notice all these qualities permeating the gathering of imperfect humans. Know that God's Holy Spirit is actively working with them!

Satan can only display miraculous works but as for this fruit he can never produce it!

Splinz:
Supposing this was true, is it a surprise? Oh c'mon, even Satan is transformed into an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14). Are you misinformed?

OkCornel:
Defend myself from what exactly?

Shameful lies and uncommon falsehood. Your shenanigans wouldn't help.

Anyway, you have till 9pm today to complete the simple task you were given. The discussion I'm having with you is based on two of your own raised topic, one of which is Matthew 5. And no amount of deviation and tactics will suffice.

MaxInDHouse:
When the scriptures say Satan transformed himself into an angel of light does it also implies that his human agents will be able to produce the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit? Galatians 5:22-23

Can a goat give birth to a cow? Trust me, I know of a spirit that produces lies, whose spirit you have.

Splinz:
Show me such a say, said by Jesus or His Father in Matthew 5:43. Nor any of the prophets.

Stop quoting irrelevant passages for me. Why is it so difficult for you and OkCornel to stay focused on what is being discussed? My friend, be consistent. Stay on what is asked; Matthew 5:43.

I have shown you that of Jesus but you refused to see it for some reasons known to you. You called it hearsay so perhaps you should ask God to open your eyes and heart so you could see the obvious Truth in the verse you mentioned.

Splinz:
Can a goat give birth to a cow? Trust me, I know of a spirit that produces lies, whose spirit you have.

Well if you can't PRESENT any group of people producing the fruit of God's Holy Spirit now it simply means you've been misinformed Sir!

jesusjnr2020:
I have shown you that of Jesus but you refused to see it for some reasons known to you. You called it hearsay so perhaps you should ask God to open your eyes and heart so you could see the obvious Truth in the verse you mentioned.

Don't worry, I have so much time on my hands. So, I'd quote Matthew 5:43 for you again:

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy

My friend, from where or who did the people hear that statement from? Who said it to them?

C'mon, I wasn't expecting this lame tactics from you. Or are those tenses too difficult to understand?

MaxInDHouse:
Well if you can't PRESENT any group of people producing the fruit of God's Holy Spirit now it simply means you've been misinformed Sir!

Are you pained that your own group only produces lies and falsehood?

OkCornel:
And those who do not follow this duty,..

They would Answer to The Law Giver!

Splinz:
Shameful lies and uncommon falsehood. Your shenanigans wouldn't help.

Anyway, you have till 9pm today to complete the simple task you were given. The discussion I'm having with you is based on two of your own raised topic, one of which is Matthew 5. And no amount of deviation and tactics will suffice.

Please can you explain the shameful lies and uncommon falsehood I’m spreading here.

I’m enjoying this empty accusations of yours you can’t even explain.

Dtruthspeaker:
They would Answer to The Law Giver!

Of course they will, but the question here is

Are they your neighbor or your enemy?

OkCornel:
Please can you explain the shameful lies and uncommon falsehood I’m spreading here.

I’m enjoying this empty accusations of yours you can’t even explain.

9pm

Splinz:
Show me such a say, said by Jesus or His Father in Matthew 5:43. Nor any of the prophets.

Stop quoting irrelevant passages for me. Why is it so difficult for you and OkCornel to stay focused on what is being discussed? My friend, be consistent. Stay on what is asked; Matthew 5:43.

Dodging, dodging, dodging.

Please can you show us scriptures where enemies are also described as neighbors.

We’re not asking for too much explanation. Just scriptural references.

Splinz:
The question is: Where or from whom did the people hear such a law or commandment from? Who taught or authored such law? Did God or any of His prophets teach or gave such law? Just, who said it? If anyone can find any of this answer to these questions in the scripture, I'd gladly tender an apology to such person. Anyone up for the challenge?

And then you supplied the Answer Here Below!

Splinz:
Cornel, understand. What Jesus said in verse 43 was neither an existing law nor affirmation of such law or commandment, supposedly from God or any of His prophets. Rather, what Jesus stated there was simply the tradition or teaching of the people. We all know the Pharisees right? This people, being that they were teachers of the law and scholars of the time, were notorious in churning out all sort of laws, rules, teachings, customs and traditions, that God has not authorized, all in a bid to be seen as righteous or men of high repute.

As an example of the Pharisees excesses, take a look at Mark 7:4-16, and see how Jesus call out their madness.

So having stated the Answer, there is nothing remaining.

Splinz:
Are you pained that your own group only produces lies and falsehood?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,

Jesus said sin against the son of man will be forgiven but sin against God's Holy Spirit will not be forgiven! Luke 12:10

A global family of peace loving worshipers are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all our neighbourhood {Matthew 10:11-13, 28:19-20; Act 1:8} and the result is that all those adhering to their teachings have vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman again {Micah 4:1-3 compare to Matthew 26:52} they are known globally for the strong bond of LOVE in their midst {John 13:34-35} and majority like you who belongs to no reputable group have hated them for what they're teaching despite the fine fruit everyone can testify to! Matthew Matthew 10:22; John 15:19, 17:14

Truly it's lies that has brought people from different races throughout the earth together under the same umbrella in the name of Jesus Christ!

If Jesus didn’t bring any new laws,

Can those who claim this kindly explain what Paul meant here?


1 Corinthians 9 v 21;

21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law


If God’s law and Christ’s law are the same thing, why’s Paul laying a distinction between both in this scripture? Hmmm?

Splinz:
9pm

Oh, so you can’t even explain the “falsehood” you claim I’m spreading?

This guy is a joke.