Workch:
The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

Your write up above is one of the reasons I believe he exists.

When the wise tries to explain wisdom to the foolish, it’s sounds illogical, laughable, ridiculous, irrational and overwhelming to the foolish man. This is because his(the foolish) ability to understand, perceive, comprehend and accept wisdom is far far below average...

This is why I can’t blame you but the level of foolishness that you have drowned in

Of course deep down you know it doesn't make sense but that will lead to nihilism so you avoid it. I understand. The path you are towing will open you up to knowledge and it hurts. You will never be the same again. Just do good and the things that give you peace.

hibeebeeking:
You really need help and you need to see a counsellor ASAP. You are thinking beyond boundary. You better start to leave a righteous life.

Lol, thinking beyond boundaries?
Wtf does that even mean

Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.

The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

you are wrong, there is no problem with the concept of christian god,


the problem is that god is a myth


know this and know peace

Sapiosexuality:
Of course deep down you know it doesn't make sense but that will lead to nihilism so you avoid it. I understand. The path you are towing will open you up to knowledge and it hurts. You will never be the same again. Just do good and the things that give you peace.

Exactly, I remember my transition from Christianity, it was painful but now I'm at peace.

[quote author=Workch post=103249369]First of all,


You're incredibly ignorant

For god so love the world that he gave his only son.... does it even make sense you mean you love the world so much u send ur only son to be killed by them so that u will forgive them ... isn’t it funny?

God doesn’t exist, but you exist abi? How did you start existing, born and grew up and still living? then u come here to spew rubbish, Because God that made ur existence possible have not taken ur pathetic, foolish foolish life away, because u re just equivalent to animals that roam the space..

Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.

The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

The 4th is the craziest.
None of the current religions account for more than a 3rd of world population though the biggest three accounts for 70%. Which one is right? None of the religious beliefs can actually be independently verified(empirically). All are based on faith in the unseen or an encounter with the Spirit or hearing the call or voice. Most Nigerians, including die hard adherents, continue with the religion they were born into. Funny enough, the top two religions promises untold blessings(paradise) for following it and severe damnation(hell) if you dont. And both religions specifically condemn the other(at least the adherents do). Thats what they call a religious dilenma.

Funny enough, when examined with empirical knowledge and research (archaeology,history, astronomy, physical sciences etc), quite a large tract of the basis of the two religions are actually fictional or do not jive with available knowledge.
1. Origin of creation
2. Concept of heavens
3. The story of Fir'aun
4. The flood hypothesis
5. destruction of sodom and gomorrah
6. Destruction of the elephant tribe. Etc

Infact, quite a few of this can be traced to pre-existing folklores and traditions of pagan origin. The concept of trinity, divine conception, resurrection all have basis in pagan folklore.

PS:
If everything is predestined, then there is no choice or the choices each will make have been predestined so right from the beginning, the candidates of hell and paradise have been chosen. Then, everything looks like a movie script. Case in point, Judas betrayed Jesus to fulfil the prophecy and complete the salvation promise. So why hold him to account? He was helping the Divine plan along since if he didnt, the blood on calvary wont be there to wash away sins. And people will explain that i am not born again or of the spirit so i cant understand. Unfortunately they that understand with there own spirit can explain what they understand.

Well, i cant help you. Just say make i add more to your confusion

Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.

The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

Hmmmmm, choke but I believe Him dey exist till that day sha but like another 80yrs more sha

gsegun43:

you are wrong, there is no problem with the concept of christian god,


the problem is that god is a myth


know this and know peace

There's bro, especially in the Old Testament, it's why u see Christians refute the Old Testament everytime.

In most argument I have had with Christians they usually reply with "that's the Old Testament, Jesus has come to change all that" but the New Testament is not any better and it's more of puals teaching than Jesus.

Workch:
That truth only exist in your dogmatic head.

God does not exist, if he does, he can’t create someone like you. He will be too perfect to make such mistakes.

Humans are not mistakes, the error in humans was deliberate. Else the world would have started and ended a long time ago because everything would be perfect. The errors in humans actually makes sense according to nature.

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

Bro that's because the Christian god doesn't exist. That's why there are so many inconsistencies, contradictions and debatable verses in the bible. A book allegedly inspired by an omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent being. Ask yourself if you were given the opportunity to become a god, would you be offended by what little tiny humans who are like dust or ants do with their bodies?
Would you be angry enough to throw them into an everlasting furnace just because they refused to believe in you even though you have failed to show yourself to all of them?
The concept of the Christian, Muslim and every other god created by men will forever remain an idea of man. Just think about it.

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

One thing I know is that nobody fully understood existence of God, but we are just trying our best and to be on the side of God. God, Devil and Death are mystries in which the more you try to know more about them the more you get off the road.

Both the Bible and Quran that are major scriptures and available for me are not explained detailed about God, hence they are just a confused books most especially if you place science besides them.

.....how can one explains a father who tested his one year old kid with JAMB questions and when he failed, the father said he must suffer for not passing exam he himself know he won't be able to pass even before the son came for the exam for eternity , yet we say such father is a loving father.

Perhaps scriptures do not give detail about God.

Little wonder religions leaders in the past termed religion as a dogma.
Even till today if one tries to ask shrouded questions about God people will result to attacking and will not give sactrifactory and convincing answers

Nevertheless, whenever I see certain individuals who have gifts of knowing past and future, I will quickly come back to my senses that indeed there is a supernatural being somewhere.

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

My brother, ask God to forgive you........

Edusouls:
God doesn’t exist, but you exist abi? How did you start existing, born and grew up and still living? then u come here to spew rubbish, Because God that made ur existence possible have not taken ur pathetic, foolish foolish life away, because u re just equivalent to animals that roam the space..

My existence doesn't proof a God exist. If a God exist, who created him?

udoji2021:
y

You are not getting the point sir, equating God with a mere human is not proper. According to scriptures, He supposed to know what will happen right from the time he was making man cos he knows what will happen till the end of time. Why then did he went ahead to make man that will be punished severely later?

unquestionable you are the God, you can try to be perfect, but you can be perfect, that's why you need holy Spirit and I believe you need to understand life as in general but you can it's not possible but in this life try all you can to understand life and make sure you strive to beat your heart desires,live comfortably and success and anything you need in this life and know what you are doing no matter the situation , always remember(you can be perfect) this life is not yours and make heaven as well, Live wisely

In this life I pity people wey carry religion for head

There's nothing like death of the spirit
Nothing like hell or heaven
We keep getting rebirthed
Spirit no dey die.we also have a soul,soul dey die No
Shey na spirit go enter hell? To feel the heat of the ' fire'?

Heaven, hell is just created by whoever made a spread of gospel to frighten us,to be moral. still it's not working, immorality still abounds.

I see lots of confusion in the Bible and personality of God. If you try to ask, the Christian fanatics will shut you up ' don't question God' he fvcking created me right? Like I was on my own, and he decided to create me, so why I no go ask question if I have an unclear view?

I rather be a moralist, a freethinker than being a ' Christian'

This is another one of those wicked ones who deep down are scared that the life they are living will lead them to hell so they deny God.

Whether or not you believed in your mother when you were in her womb.

Eventually you met her.

The same shall it be again.

You will exit this world someday and then no one will listen to what you believe.

Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.

The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

[quote author=udoji2021 post=103248922]I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. AM LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER TO THAT NUMBER 3

K

Carchoice:


Humans are not mistakes, the error in humans was deliberate. Else the world would have started and ended a long time ago because everything would be perfect. The errors in humans actually makes sense according to nature.

Kindly explain these human errors u talk about or give examples

Dtruthspeaker:


I once prove that fact to you and you fell silent and could not speak for weeks. But exactly as God Said, your time has come.

But this is not the issue of thread go and open your own thread.

You go defend tire today bros.

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

I was an agnostic, till one day about 30 years ago, I heard a knock on my door by two members of Jehovah's witnesses, with an open mind head to https://www,jw,org click bible teaching, click God and read away
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=lff&srcid=share

udoji2021:


Your position about religion is quite interesting. I got your point now.

So does it means that there is no God or a supernatural being greater than humans or you simply believe that organized religion all over the world is a scam?

Sorry for the many questions brother

To answer this question. Please and please, don't attack me here. We are here to liberate ourselves.

To understand the concept of God, if really he exists or not, or if there is reward or punishment. What is it after life. Powerful are killing the weak, and still living freely. Nobody can hold them accountable. If that's how life is, and no punishment, then all of us should be doing whatever it takes to live.

I know people who were in this situation. I mean it.

To get your answers. Read the two major scriptures we have.

If you're a christian, read the bible from start to finish, then read the Quran. Brother, i bet you you will find your answer. Don't say ohh, a christian reading the Quran. It doesn't harm. It's on Google play, if it's not a good book to read it won't be there.

You can read both simultaneously. I bet you brother. In Africa we are so fanatical. Not saying you should be a muslim. Just read the Quran from the first chapter. Before you finish 5 pages or the second chapter you will start getting your insights answers. You're learned, so no one can twist your mind.

Anyone can read it as well. Let's leave our differences.

Be open minded.

udoji2021

Read up Seventh day Adventist and Jehovah Witness articles on Hell, then you'll see why such a thing cannot exist, even without discrediting the Bible authority.

hibeebeeking:
You really need help and you need to see a counsellor ASAP. You are thinking beyond boundary. You better start to leave a righteous life.

What's the boundary? Gerrarahere
To stone u dey hungry me.

udoji2021:


Hmmmmm

But we all use to see some signs of spiritual powers and miracles which means to me that there is God.

Or is it a coincidence or better still, should we attribute those things to nature?

Have u ever wondered why these miracles are limited, like we can never see the miracle of growing limbs.

Most miracle we see are stage or just coincidence.

MaxInDHouse:
The true God will never punish you for questioning Him, in fact He truly love those who will challenge His line of reasoning to be certain that He truly knows what He's doing {Isaiah 1:18} but first of all i must commend you for coming out to air you views on this matter.
It shows that you truly love God and He is watching you right now, in fact He has commaded his angels to focus their attention on you so don't doubt it if i say your name is about to be written in God's memory book of those who will be resurrected back to life in Paradise! Malachi 3:16 compare to Revelations 20:15

Do you notice that Malachi is the last book of the OT and Revelations is the last book of the NT?
Well God purposely repeated what i cited in the scriptures as assurance of His loyal love for those who keep thinking about Him.

I'm Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, i know that my brother must have touch your heart with the seed of truth it's about the time when it will grow.
So if you want me to attend to your questions please join me in my thread entitled "Study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses"

Bring all your questions there and don't entertain any doubt for God love you so much that He sent His only begotten son to die for your sin, therefore if you exercise faith in God's son by trusting in his counselings you will live forever! John 3:16

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Hogwash

VULCAN:
This is another one of those wicked ones who deep down are scared that the life they are living will lead them to hell so they deny God.

Lol, funny guy. Your fellow Christians believe in your god and go to church regularly but they sin on a daily like it's nothing. Even Yahoo boys have termed their hustle as "grace". The joke is on you bruh.

Workch:
You can’t prove anything, the last time we spoke, you sounded like you didn’t even pass elementary science.