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Dtruthspeaker:
Does His Anger not give you another information?

Does it not tell you like Common Entrance, He knew man can pass?

Do you not see that Adam did not fail?(for Satan tempts everybody)

So why then did Eve fall?

So did you not see that God attacked her Pregnancy?

Why the pregnancy? Does it not give you more information about what truly transpired between Satan and Eve?

SegFault:
And anyone who believes that some being just came out from nowhere and can do whatever the fck he wants and still be called good is lower than an animal. It's not only you who can insult.

musicwriter:
No, your question is not punishable by any God. If God gave you a brain, why will he not want you to use it to think about something that you don't understand?

Well, I am only interested in answering the above because the rest of the question you asked looks very childish.

Having said that, let me proceed.

The story in the bible book of Genesis is not a literal event, rather it's an allegory used to explain principles that has no simpler way to explain it to a kid. It's the same as the wise tortoise you hear about in African mythologies. In African myths a tortoise is said to always trick other animals to win an award. In some tales, the tortoise is said to marry the beautiful daughter of a wealthy king.

But it doesn't mean there was ever a tortoise or daughter or a king or a place. Rather, it's just a story used to teach something.

So is the Genesis story and most stories in the bible.

There was no Adam.

There was no Eve.

There was no garden.

There was no God.

There was no Satan.

All of them are principles. Adam and Eve represent the duality in nature, such as good and bad, right or left, up or down, joy or sadness, God or Satan, hevean and hell, etc. Non of them is tangible.

God, Satan, Adam, Eve, garden, fruit, are all principles used in telling a story just like the tortoise, daughter, king in African legends.

Satan means potential- something like potential energy or energy at rest. It means something that has the potential to change something. In other words, it's something that has the potential to bring the type of new information or knowledge that has been lacking. So, there's nothing bad or evil about Satan.

Those who are into science knows that potential energy is represented as folded spring. And that's why the ancient people represent Satan as snake because the snake is at its full potential to strike when folded not when crawling. Go to Google image and search "potential energy" and you'll see it's repented by folded spring. Any representation with battery is modern

In ancient times (before Europeans) arrived to partake in learning and sharing knowledge with the rest of the world, everything was well understood. Misunderstanding about these things began when the Greeks sojourned in Africa and our African ancestors explained the stories to them like children (as seen in Genesis) but sadly they took it literally and when they assumed power, they imposed this literal interpretation on many other lands they conquered. That's why you, your church and pastors take it literally

The whole purpose of the Genesis story is exactly what happened. The story was told to make you realize that you must always choose knowledge and change at all times. You must not choose ignorance and placidity. The garden of Eden represent placidity and ignorance. That's why the Genesis God indeed allowed Eve to choose knowledge and change. In other words, Satan actually saved humanity first from ignorance and placidity in the garden of Eden (metaphorically speaking) and the second saving happened as Jesus (metaphorically speaking because Jesus is also a principle not a person). When properly understood, you'll realize that Satan and Jesus are one and the same person!

Sorry, but you may not handle this information because it's "satanic", it's radical information, and that's exactly why the story was simplified in the Genesis version.

drlateef:
Well the answers to all your queries are in Islam. But we leave you people on the wrong path to dabble about until you get tired. Those who desire the truth among you will eventually come to Islam for their answers.

okosunehis:
The questions you have posed are among such that has puzzled even the greatest thinkers in humanity, and continues to. I’ll try to keep my own responses as simple as I can, but know that these are deep and complex issues, but we can all be guided by the morality in our hearts, which, more often than not, point us towards something close to the right direction. To your queries:
1. Why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?
Let me start by addressing the first part of your first question.
Nature, as we know, has designed in it, a reward system, or as it is commonly put, you reap what you sow. Another very fundamental issue most people need to understand is the difference between instant gratification and delayed gratification. Basically, when you cut corners, or break rules for immediate gains, your reward may be immediate but in the short term. The downside is that there is always a negative consequence for short-circuiting the natural order.
In essence, when you decide to enjoy life, even by doing bad stuff, you would end up “gaining the whole world, but losing your soul.” So, you might indeed enjoy life in the short term, but lose it altogether in the long term. Not only that, but by some measure, all evil deeds will be rewarded in like manner. The details of this may not be very explicit in the Bible, but it is clear we would all be judged and punished according to our deeds/sins.
With regards to committing suicide, due to the nature of life that God has placed in living things, of which we are prime, we mostly yearn for more life; a better, longer and more pleasurable living, only a few go for the suicide option. What is the reward for suicide, bereft of malevolence? Well, I believe it would definitely be less than living an oppressive and wicked life!
2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death?
That is most unlikely because it would be against the natural order. (By natural order, I mean life and nature as we understand it, with or without the belief in deities). When the Bible says, the wages of sin is death, it means it in the most unequivocal of terms. It is a rehash of the original warning God gave Adam and Eve in Eden; if you eat of the fruit, you will die. Some people take it as a punishment, I rather see it as a consequence of one’s failing. If someone tells you that if you jump down from a 5-storey building you will break your leg and die, would you call that a “punishment”? God did not say “I will kill you.” Rather, the ordered system of life, which was designed to support man living for eternity, was already designed that way and is not going to change.
Just to throw a little more insight, it is because the consequence of man’s sin was already set that Christ’s coming did not ransom man from dying in immediate terms, in this life, but gave man hope of a second life, after serving for the consequence of losing this life. So I don’t think God would give everyone peace after death, but rather would recreate a system of peace and tranquility for those who prove worthy of it.
3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?
This is one question that mainstream Christianity hardly addresses. I have always pondered what the essence of judgement is, if there is no chance to retrace once steps and repent. Much of God’s justice system is already reflected in our human judicial system. A first offender faces less punishment than a repeat offender; all crimes do not bear the same fine/sentence; even a death sentence can be commuted to life sentence!
I was born into a faith that teaches there would be a period of a thousand years after “all that are in the grave” are brought back to life. Like you mentioned about the Jehovah’s Witnesses, we also do not believe “hell fire” to be an eternity in burning fire, but a second death which would be made final at the end of the millennium reign of Christ. (Rev 21: While the thousand years would be for judgement and restoration of the paradise originally designed by God in Eden, there would be a period of a hundred years, within the thousand, where those who never had the opportunity to know God, would be made known of His person, the person of Christ and then practice their ways. (John 17:3; Isaiah 65:20) Have you ever wondered the fate of babies, who are mostly innocent, but born into sin (as all Adam’s descendants are) and have not gained the intelligence to know Christ or understand and practice his ways? Would they be granted automatic salvation, even if they are born as sinners? That does not add up. That is why I believe there would be a second chance, for those who deserve it.

4) Which of the scriptures is to be trusted?
Well, you can start by trusting Christ! According to one writer, for all the claims that Christ made, he had to be either the real deal or he was simply mad. Two proclamations (among others) of Jesus Christ that single him as the real deal, for me, are his claim to be the “only way/path to life and to the Father.” While almost all other mainstream religions in the world strive to tap into the authenticity of Christ’s persona by alluding him a high sense of credibility, Christ himself denounced any other teaching, religion or practice that did not have bearing in his own teachings. Secondly, knowing how hard the powers of the world would try to destroy the influence of his teachings on the world, even after his crucifixion, and how they would fail; Christ himself warned of how they would resort to adulterating his teachings, any by so doing, cause many to fall. This is why I laugh at those who claim to be Christians, yet can’t seem to comprehend why there are soooo many different versions of the scriptures out there. We were warned, so we need to be careful.
Effectively, pay close attention to the teachings of Christ and try to practice them, as humanly possible as you can! No church or pastor can save you; infact many will mislead you! Most importantly, live a Christly life (I deliberately avoided the words Christian and godly), while you seek the right church to practice your faith and enjoy community with like believers. If you follow Christ, even in the wrong church, you will be saved. Conversely, if you fail to follow Christ, while attending the “right” church, you will not be saved.
I hope my effort is well received and appreciated. Blessings to a truth-seeker.

Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.

The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

musicwriter:
No, your question is not punishable by any God. If God gave you a brain, why will he not want you to use it to think about something that you don't understand?

Well, I am only interested in answering the above because the rest of the question you asked looks very childish.

Having said that, let me proceed.

The story in the bible book of Genesis is not a literal event, rather it's an allegory used to explain principles that has no simpler way to explain it to a kid. It's the same as the wise tortoise you hear about in African mythologies. In African myths a tortoise is said to always trick other animals to win an award. In some tales, the tortoise is said to marry the beautiful daughter of a wealthy king.

But it doesn't mean there was ever a tortoise or daughter or a king or a place. Rather, it's just a story used to teach something.

So is the Genesis story and most stories in the bible.

There was no Adam.

There was no Eve.

There was no garden.

There was no God.

There was no Satan.

All of them are principles. Adam and Eve represent the duality in nature, such as good and bad, right or left, up or down, joy or sadness, God or Satan, hevean and hell, etc. Non of them is tangible.

God, Satan, Adam, Eve, garden, fruit, are all principles used in telling a story just like the tortoise, daughter, king in African legends.

Satan means potential- something like potential energy or energy at rest. It means something that has the potential to change something. In other words, it's something that has the potential to bring the type of new information or knowledge that has been lacking. So, there's nothing bad or evil about Satan.

Those who are into science knows that potential energy is represented as folded spring. And that's why the ancient people represent Satan as snake because the snake is at its full potential to strike when folded not when crawling. Go to Google image and search "potential energy" and you'll see it's repented by folded spring. Any representation with battery is modern

In ancient times (before Europeans) arrived to partake in learning and sharing knowledge with the rest of the world, everything was well understood. Misunderstanding about these things began when the Greeks sojourned in Africa and our African ancestors explained the stories to them like children (as seen in Genesis) but sadly they took it literally and when they assumed power, they imposed this literal interpretation on many other lands they conquered. That's why you, your church and pastors take it literally

The whole purpose of the Genesis story is exactly what happened. The story was told to make you realize that you must always choose knowledge and change at all times. You must not choose ignorance and placidity. The garden of Eden represent placidity and ignorance. That's why the Genesis God indeed allowed Eve to choose knowledge and change. In other words, Satan actually saved humanity first from ignorance and placidity in the garden of Eden (metaphorically speaking) and the second saving happened as Jesus (metaphorically speaking because Jesus is also a principle not a person). When properly understood, you'll realize that Satan and Jesus are one and the same person!

Sorry, but you may not handle this information because it's "satanic", it's radical information, and that's exactly why the story was simplified in the Genesis version.

udoji2021:
Good evening nairalanders. I must thank you all for your replies and contributions.

However, many people seems sure of what they are saying but if you look at it very well, the opinions and not same which is also another headache. I will try and reply some comments that seems interested to me now. Was busy earlier hence my silence

SegFault:
Infinite regression is a challenge against the rule that "every entity that exists was created" but theologists seeing that this will lead to infinite regression simply said that there is something that created all things but wasn't created. This doesn't make any sense. The reason why infinite regression is and was not considered is because it isn't logical but at the same time an infinite entity with no creator or beginning makes no sense at all it is an exception to the primary rule and if that rule has an exception there must be a primary reason within that entity that excepts the rule to prove its exception. Don't even use that argument it's flawed you'll just go round I'm circles.

kazyhm:
Look at it from this angle

1) You go to church and you're instructed to keep quite because you're before God! Meanwhile the Pastor is right opposite of you sitting or standing at a position or on a platform higher than yours

2) you give offering, tithe, etc......the pastor buy house, furnish the church building, by expensive cars etc....and says God is bless ng him/her that is why he is looking fresh!

Hope you get the gist ?

Kobojunkie:
Not really! I have no need to believe in it.

Edusouls:
See we are just temporal beings that can leave this life without notice, anytime or anywhere so you have to change from ur dangerous ignorance while alive, cos if u die in this state bro no repentance in the next life, it won’t be funny for any soul in Hell..

benji93:
First bolded: Omniscience-meaning God knows everything could easily mean he knows the result of all possibilities. It doesn't necessarily mean he has pre-determined a possibility. That is he allows for all possibilities, but he knows the outcome of each one of them, which means free will can still be accommodated. Now i am not saying this is the case, but this is a perspective that takes in both the Omniscient status of God and the free-will of man.

Second bolded: What do you mean by reality, as in tangible?In this case you may have to state what kind of evidence you are looking for then we can first decide if the workings of the spirit sometimes/never/always allow for such evidence. If this point is not first addressed the rest would be fruitless.

Fourth bolded: There's certainly nothing divine about reli. For the most part let's say religion/sub-religion/sub-denomination is a compendium of rules. It's meant to guide people. Now whether these rules come from God is another thing entirely. They may and they may not. Now the word divine means of/from God, so if you don't believe in God it's quite unpurposeful to use that term. It's quite unenlightening to use a word when you don't even believe in the existence of the meaning of that word.

The existence of God, and the proliferation of religion are two different things. Do not lump them together.

You don't see anything man. It's quite sad that you think you know a lot to stay on the irreligious side. You can do better.

udoji2021:
Are you for real Many Christians will not accept this, and frankly, I'm also hearing this for the first time.

LOVEGINO:
na wetin dis wan dey yan again?

Empiree:
Stop waiting your precious time in Christianity. You have got answer to your own question, that's, "concept of God in Christianity doesn't make sense"

Dump Christianity asap

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.

The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

Cabble4:
*I admire your drive to sound enlightened. As said, the Bible doesn't make sense at all. There is no correlation or alignment about the bible looking at it from a logical perspective which you are coming from. But, I must stress, the Bible and God Almighty didn't make it possible to be understood with human wisdom because they are foolishness to Him. So, I agree with your submission that, you couldn't find or see God. However, a day is coming when all eyes shall see him, even you will eat your words, Revelation: 1:7.

Gambit23:
Nice.

So who created u?

DannyWalker:
I can answer all your questions if you can reply this message or create a new thread for us to discuss

DannyWalker:
The problem is not God but what taught you about God

Workch:
The Flying Spaghetti Monster