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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingAlabi: 12:55pm On Jul 13, 2021
airmark:
Robbed ko Abonikied ni. grin
Seems you are back from the oceans, how was your trip? cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingAlabi: 12:59pm On Jul 13, 2021
handelex:
When you don't fight and punish it, you encourage such disgusting behavior. The government can and must do better about it. Yes the society is full of bellends no doubt, but those bellends need to understand they can't keep getting away with such vile and disgusting offenses.
See, no matter how hard they try, social media racism will still exist, what do you do to trolls ?, You ignore them like they don't exist. Social media companies have done some algorithms to detect words that are racially abusive to effect account ban when necessary but then again, I can have 50 Twitter accounts for all I care.

Not on about physical racism abuse though.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingAlabi: 1:01pm On Jul 13, 2021
GloryIsaac:
I disagree.

Racism, as every other evil vice needs to be tackled head-on. It can’t be eradicated but it can be significantly reduced.

The benefits we enjoy today in the Western world are as a result of the sweat of those who have gone before us.

Whatever means they used, be it protests, academic excellence etc. should keep being enforced to ensure that racism is subdued.
I am been particular on the ones we see on social media, it can't be stopped maybe reduced slightly but it can't be stopped.

Some of them conducting this racial abuse aren't even racist sef, when I know this is what gets to you, I do it when it the only way I can get back at you.

You get?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 1:03pm On Jul 13, 2021
Pickford followed the GK coach notes and saved 2 penalties.

DDG just fvcked up

cc Illimitable cheesy

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingAlabi: 1:06pm On Jul 13, 2021
What do you all say?

Cc jodera, una try this time around oh. grin

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pamcode(m): 1:48pm On Jul 13, 2021
Expert17:
Pickford followed the GK coach notes and saved 2 penalties.

DDG just fvcked up
Guy even donnaruma would not have kept out those top corner pks.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 1:51pm On Jul 13, 2021
Expert17:
Pickford followed the GK coach notes and saved 2 penalties.

DDG just fvcked up

cc Illimitable cheesy
Poorly taken penalties.

Why didn’t he save all the 5 penalties then?

Which GK coach note could save Maguire’s penalty?

Stop believing in this drivel about coach notes. 90% of players change their mind in the run up before kicking the ball. It all depends on the GK’s posture and mind games.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Karleb(m): 1:57pm On Jul 13, 2021
Illimitable:
Poorly taken penalties.

Why didn’t he save all the 5 penalties then?

Which GK coach note could save Maguire’s penalty?

Stop believing in this drivel about coach notes. 90% of players change their mind in the run up before kicking the ball. It all depends on the GK’s posture and mind games.
Most players stick to their favorite spot when the penalty is important.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 2:02pm On Jul 13, 2021
Illimitable:
Poorly taken penalties.
So Villareal played 10 great PKs ?

Why didn’t he save all the 5 penalties then?
He saved 2, which would have bn enough to win the Europa League.

Which GK coach note could save Maguire’s penalty?
Statistically, out of 5 PKs, only 1 or 2 player(s) aim at top corners.

3 left to be saved.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 2:17pm On Jul 13, 2021
Expert17:
So Villareal played 10 great PKs ?
10 excellent penalties. Go and watch them again. Even their GK’s pen is better than anything Italy offered in the final. They were hooking it in the top bins.

Expert17:
He saved 2, which would have bn enough to win the Europa League.
Different opponents, different stakes.
Pickford wouldn’t have saved any in Europa final and United would have certainly lost the 2nd leg against Roma if Pickford or Henderson was in goal.


Expert17:
Statistically, out of 5 PKs, only 1 or 2 player(s) aim at top corners.

3 left to be saved.
In other words, the GK coach note is unreliable. grin

Mourinho has been managing for almost 20 years now. He was telling us the only player he knows that is consistent and trains every time to pick a particular spot in penalties is Harry Kane. He said others change their minds in the run up.

And when you look at the previous shots taken by penalty takers, you see their shots scattered all over the net. There has never been a penalty taker that concentrates on one spot. Therefore, even the GK coach note is a guess at best. It’s not set in stone.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:17pm On Jul 13, 2021
Expert17:
Pickford followed the GK coach notes and saved 2 penalties.

DDG just fvcked up

cc Illimitable cheesy
I wanted to raise a point about those penalties. Most top players dont have a specific way of playing penalties. for example, Most of us have seen Ronaldo take penalties, Can you tell his favourite way?

Its always better IMO to follow the ball. Look at Martinez vs Colombia even Donnaruma it was only Rashford that sold him

If you follow the ball, Only a well taken hard shot can really be guaranteed to score, Follow the ball and you are almost guaranteed to catch any panenka, any slow shot, any shot 6ft to each side of you, Basically if you are not blasting your shot or picking extreme angle you are not scoring. Picking extreme angles can also end up like Rashfords
That type of Magure penalty where nothing you do even if you stay in that corner you wont catch it
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 2:18pm On Jul 13, 2021
iamoyindamola:
They changed his name shocked
Never knew he's Nigerian from adetokunbo to antetokunpko
Loool yup....They made it more Greek sounding when He was getting His Greek Citizenship. There letters "d" and "b" sound like "nt" and "pk" in the Greek alphabet plus they both don't exist in the Greek alphabet.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BikeMan: 2:19pm On Jul 13, 2021
Expert17:
Lukaku cheesy

Useless Ice Cold Flop.

Nice one Maguire, Spinazzola kept Shaw out sha
Where is Bruno that they said deserves the Balon D’or? grin

He enter tournament for men, he disappear as usual.

weedtaker:
As in.. They will be shouts of him being the GOAT manager and all that.

And I don't want de bruyne near that Balon d'or, that one is for Bruno.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:24pm On Jul 13, 2021
expert17 and illimitable

Watch these penalties again, without the guess dive Pickford will save Bernardeschi, Also most of the Jorginho penalties would be saved because with that stutter step, he cannot gather enough power in the shot like Maguire so his penalties will be weak and he has to place it at a corner to have a chance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79pPIRbaR8A
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Karleb(m): 2:26pm On Jul 13, 2021
raumdeuter:
I wanted to raise a point about those penalties. Most top players dont have a specific way of playing penalties. for example, Most of us have seen Ronaldo take penalties, Can you tell his favourite way?

Its always better IMO to follow the ball. Look at Martinez vs Colombia even Donnaruma it was only Rashford that sold him

If you follow the ball, Only a well taken hard shot can really be guaranteed to score, Follow the ball and you are almost guaranteed to catch any panenka, any slow shot, any shot 6ft to each side of you, Basically if you are not blasting your shot or picking extreme angle you are not scoring. Picking extreme angles can also end up like Rashfords
That type of Magure penalty where nothing you do even if you stay in that corner you wont catch it
Most players don't take PK all the time.

A player who isn't a PK regular would most likely shoot at the same spot where he scored his last penalty especially when the penalty is important and there is a lot of tension.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 2:27pm On Jul 13, 2021
KingAlabi:
I am been particular on the ones we see on social media, it can't be stopped maybe reduced slightly but it can't be stopped.

Some of them conducting this racial abuse aren't even racist sef, when I know this is what gets to you, I do it when it the only way I can get back at you.

You get?
Oh true. Multiple accounts will enjoy some prison time though.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 2:33pm On Jul 13, 2021
raumdeuter:
I wanted to raise a point about those penalties. Most top players dont have a specific way of playing penalties. for example, Most of us have seen Ronaldo take penalties, Can you tell his favourite way?

Its always better IMO to follow the ball. Look at Martinez vs Colombia even Donnaruma it was only Rashford that sold him

If you follow the ball, Only a well taken hard shot can really be guaranteed to score, Follow the ball and you are almost guaranteed to catch any panenka, any slow shot, any shot 6ft to each side of you, Basically if you are not blasting your shot or picking extreme angle you are not scoring. Picking extreme angles can also end up like Rashfords
That type of Magure penalty where nothing you do even if you stay in that corner you wont catch it
Rashford overcooked his penalty - he was so unlucky to have missed it. What he did to Donnarumma was filthy. The hip deception was heavenly.

You are absolutely spot on with top players not having a constant method of taking their penalties. They change it cos they have a variety of options in their ammo to take one.

This is Fernandes’ shot map on penalties. What will a GK coach note say about this? Dive left or right? grin

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 2:39pm On Jul 13, 2021
KingAlabi:
What do you all say?

Cc jodera, una try this time around oh. grin
God forbid for another 8th.

Seems you're forgetting something, we no dey go Europe next season, so top 4 sure for us. Also our fans dey come back.

Arsenal na top 4 sure us... Just mark am cool
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:42pm On Jul 13, 2021
Karleb:
Most players don't take PK all the time.

A player who isn't a PK regular would most likely shoot at the same spot where he scored his last penalty especially when the penalty is important and there is a lot of tension.
Mention any player, I am sure we can search for their penalty kick maps and you will see that there is no typical way a kick is taken

So a player who has taken just 2 or 3 penalties, what data are you looking for
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 2:43pm On Jul 13, 2021
Illimitable:
10 excellent penalties. Go and watch them again. Even their GK’s pen is better than anything Italy offered in the final. They were hooking it in the top bins.
10 great penalties?

Watch it again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kC_oYKL8zg

Different opponents, different stakes.
Pickford wouldn’t have saved any in Europa final and United would have certainly lost the 2nd leg against Roma if Pickford or Henderson was in goal.
Pickford would have saved at least 3 penalties.

Unai Simon benched the flop at EUROs grin grin

And when you look at the previous shots taken by penalty takers, you see their shots scattered all over the net. There has never been a penalty taker that concentrates on one spot. Therefore, even the GK coach note is a guess at best. It’s not set in stone.
Watch where those players play their penalties when it mattered most.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 2:44pm On Jul 13, 2021
raumdeuter:
expert17 and illimitable

Watch these penalties again, without the guess dive Pickford will save Bernardeschi, Also most of the Jorginho penalties would be saved because with that stutter step, he cannot gather enough power in the shot like Maguire so his penalties will be weak and he has to place it at a corner to have a chance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79pPIRbaR8A
On Rashford’s missed penalty……
In the screenshot below, taken right before impact with the ball, you can see that Rashford’s planted foot (his left foot) and his hips are pointed to the right side of the goal.

Normally the goalkeeper tries to wait for the plant foot to hit the ground before making their own move, because the striker’s planted foot and hips generally dictate the direction of the shot. This is one of the clues that can help turn the odds in the goalkeeper’s favour to make a save.

And while each player has different signs as to the direction of their kick as they approach the ball, the indications here were quite strong that Rashford would be shooting to the right side of the goal.

It wasn’t until the final moment when Rashford tried to whip his hips around to pull the ball across his body and into the bottom left corner. The difficulty level for this technique is 10 out of 10.

Donnarumma got sold completely.

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 2:46pm On Jul 13, 2021
Illimitable:
Rashford overcooked his penalty - he was so unlucky to have missed it. What he did to Donnarumma was filthy. The hip deception was heavenly.

You are absolutely spot on with top players not having a constant method of taking their penalties. They change it cos they have a variety of options in their ammo to take one.

This is Fernandes’ shot map on penalties. What will a GK coach note say about this? Dive left or right? grin
This one no follow, Jorginho and Fernandes style is different.

You wait for them to play before diving.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 2:47pm On Jul 13, 2021
Expert17:
10 great penalties?

Watch it again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kC_oYKL8zg



Pickford would have saved at least 3 penalties.

Unai Simon benched the flop at EUROs grin grin



Watch where those players play their penalties when it mattered most.
So why didn’t Unai Simon save any of the penalties taken by United’s outfield players?

He didn’t read his GK’s coach note? grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 2:50pm On Jul 13, 2021
Expert17:
This one no follow, Jorginho and Fernandes style is different.

You wait for them to play before diving.
You are just waffling at this point. No GK coach note can ascertain where a taker would put the ball.

Bukayo Saka has never taken penalty for Arsenal or England. So what did Donnarumma’s coach note say? grin

Football isn’t exactly science. Penalty takers put the ball left, right, middle, top bins, etc. It’s as the spirit leads.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 2:51pm On Jul 13, 2021
raumdeuter:
expert17 and illimitable

Watch these penalties again, without the guess dive Pickford will save Bernardeschi, Also most of the Jorginho penalties would be saved because with that stutter step, he cannot gather enough power in the shot like Maguire so his penalties will be weak and he has to place it at a corner to have a chance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79pPIRbaR8A
He saved Belloti's PK with the guess dive.

The guess dive is more reliable when facing players that rely on power.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:52pm On Jul 13, 2021
Illimitable:
Rashford overcooked his penalty - he was so unlucky to have missed it. What he did to Donnarumma was filthy. The hip deception was heavenly.

You are absolutely spot on with top players not having a constant method of taking their penalties. They change it cos they have a variety of options in their ammo to take one.

This is Fernandes’ shot map on penalties. What will a GK coach note say about this? Dive left or right? grin
When you are trying to sell the keeper bad and leave him no chance, the chance is that you want to pick an extreme side and that opens the window of missing or hitting the post. If it enters nothing you can do

Good point with the Fernandes penalties. I also checked other players too and none has a specific way of shooting or angle, If they do, then they are fools and anyone will stop their penalty

Below is Ramos'

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Karleb(m): 2:54pm On Jul 13, 2021
raumdeuter:
Mention any player, I am sure we can search for their penalty kick maps and you will see that there is no typical way a kick is taken

So a player who has taken just 2 or 3 penalties, what data are you looking for
Since you asked. https://www.thecable.ng/enyeama-explains-bifouma-penalty-save/amp


'It takes a player with big balls to change the direction where he normally plays his penalty kicks, especially under pressure"



"When a player is under pressure like that, with their team a goal down, the crowd behind them and needing to score, he tends to go for his comfort zone, which is his best spot."
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 2:57pm On Jul 13, 2021
raumdeuter:
I wanted to raise a point about those penalties. Most top players dont have a specific way of playing penalties. for example, Most of us have seen Ronaldo take penalties, Can you tell his favourite way?
This is hard, but I would guess dive to my extreme left.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 2:59pm On Jul 13, 2021
raumdeuter:
When you are trying to sell the keeper bad and leave him no chance, the chance is that you want to pick an extreme side and that opens the window of missing or hitting the post. If it enters nothing you can do

Good point with the Fernandes penalties. I also checked other players too and none has a specific way of shooting or angle, If they do, then they are fools and anyone will stop their penalty

Below is Ramos'
Expert17, so what will your GK coach note say here? grin

As for taking penalties, I don’t think players should be too cute or overthink it. If they pick a spot and take a fierce shot, the possibility of a goalkeeper saving it even if he dives in the right direction is very slim. The ball would have breezed into the net before he makes a dive.

Rashidi Yekini has the best technique for penalties as far as I am concerned. All those hopping techniques of Bruno Fernandes and Jorginho would soon be found out. Pickford humiliated Jorginho in that shootout and that could have cost Italy the win.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 3:02pm On Jul 13, 2021
Karleb:
Since you asked. https://www.thecable.ng/enyeama-explains-bifouma-penalty-save/amp


'It takes a player with big balls to change the direction where he normally plays his penalty kicks, especially under pressure"



"When a player is under pressure like that, with their team a goal down, the crowd behind them and needing to score, he tends to go for his comfort zone, which is his best spot."
Hahahahahahaha - This is so untrue. cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:03pm On Jul 13, 2021
Expert17:
He saved Belloti's PK with the guess dive.

The guess dive is more reliable when facing players that rely on power.
See Belottis wasnt even much of a guess dive, Pickfords right foot didnt leave the spot he planted he he just bent to the left, it wasnt like Belotti picked an extreme angle like Jorginho or Rashford and its still within

Most shooters won't go to those far angles

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 3:07pm On Jul 13, 2021
Illimitable:
Expert17, so what will your GK coach note say here? grin

As for taking penalties, I don’t think players should be too cute or overthink it. If they pick a spot and take a fierce shot, the possibility of a goalkeeper saving it even if he dives in the right direction is very slim. The ball would have breezed into the net before he makes a dive.

Rashidi Yekini has the best technique for penalties as far as I am concerned. All those hopping techniques of Bruno Fernandes and Jorginho would soon be found out. Pickford humiliated Jorginho in that shootout and that could have cost Italy the win.
raumdeuter:
When you are trying to sell the keeper bad and leave him no chance, the chance is that you want to pick an extreme side and that opens the window of missing or hitting the post. If it enters nothing you can do

Good point with the Fernandes penalties. I also checked other players too and none has a specific way of shooting or angle, If they do, then they are fools and anyone will stop their penalty

Below is Ramos'
Guys, this is easy.

Just like you stated, nothing is certain.

We work with what we have, STATISTICS

For example: If Kane plays 50 % of his penalties to the left, 15 % to the right, and 35 % straight down the middle.

With this, we would surely dive to the left
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