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| Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by AntiChristian: 4:38pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
Can it be Isaac? "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham:... Take now thy son thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of." (Gen. 22: 1-2). In this statement, on the one hand, it is being said that God had asked for the offering of the Prophet Isaac, and on the other, that he was Abraham's only son, whereas the Bible itself, at other places, conclusively states that the Prophet Isaac was. not the only son of the Prophet Abraham. Consider the following statements of the Bible: "Now Sarai, Abram's wife bore him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abraham, Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abraham hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai Abraham's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abraham had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her husband Abram to be his wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived." (Gen.16: 1-4) "And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael." (Gen 16: 11) "And Abraham was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abraham." (Gen 16: 16). "And God said unto Abraham, `As for Sarai thy wife,..... I will bless her and give thee a son also of her:..... and thou shalt call his name Isaac...... which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year And Abraham took Ishmael his son and......every male among the men of Abraham's house; and..... circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him. And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. " (Gen. 17: 15-25). "And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him. " (Gen. 21: 5). This brings out the contradictions of the Bible. It is evident that for 14 years the Prophet Ishmael was the only son of the Prophet Abraham. Now if the offering had been asked of the only son, it was not of Isaac but of Ishmael, for he alone was the only son; and if the offering of Isaac had been asked, it would be wrong to say that the offering of the only son had been asked. Culled from 37.99-113 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by AntiChristian: 4:42pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
Continuation! Isma'eel was.. (1) As stated by the Qur'an above (in 37:107), at the time of his emigration from the country, the Prophet Abraham had prayed for a righteous son and in answer to it, Allah had given him the good news of a clement boy. The context shows that this prayer was made at a time when he was childless, and the boy whose good news was given was his first-born child. Then, this also becomes obvious froth the Qur'anic story that when the child grew up to boyhood, he was inspired to offer him as an offering. Now, it is established beyond any doubt that the Prophet Abraham's first-born son was the Prophet Ishmael and not the Prophet Isaac. The Qur'an itself has stated the order between the two sons, thus: "All praise be to Allah Who has given me sons like Ishmael and Isaac in my old age." (Ibrahim: 39). (2) The words used in the Qur'an with regard to the Prophet Isaac while giving the good news of his birth are: "And they gave him the good news of the birth of a son, possessing knowledge, ('alim). " (AdhDhariyat: 28 "Do not be afraid: we give you the good news of a son, possessing knowledge." (AI-Hijr: 53). But the son, the good news of whose birth has been given here; has been called a clement (halim) son. This shows that the two sons had distinctive qualities, and the offering had been asked of the clement son and not of the son possessing knowledge. (3) Along with giving the good news of the birth of the Prophet Isaac in the Qur'an, the good news of the birth of a grandson like Jacob was also given: 'Then We gave her the good news of Isaac, and after Isaac of Jacob." (Hud: 71). Now obviously, if about the son along with the news of whose birth the news of a worthy son to be born to him had also been given, the Prophet Abraham was shown a vision that he was sacrificing him, he would never have understood that he was being inspired to offer that very son as an offering. 'Allama Ibn Jarir contends that the Prophet Abraham might have been shown this vision at a time when Jacob had already been born to the Prophet Isaac. But this is, in. fact, a very weak reply to the argument. The Qur'an says: 'When the boy became able to work with his father," then he was shown the vision Anyone who reads these words with an unbiased mind will have the image of an 8 to 10 years lad beforc him. No one can imagine that these words had been used about a young man having children. (4) Allah, at the end of the story, says: "We gave him the good news of Isaac, a Prophet among the righteous." This clearly shows that it was not the same son, whom he had been inspired to offer as a sacrifice; but before this the good news of some other son had been given; then when he grew up and became able to work with his father, it was commanded to sacrifice him. Afterwards, when the Prophet Abraham came through this test successfully, he was given the good news of the birth of another son, the Prophet Isaac (may peace be upon him). This order of the events conclusively proves that the son whom the Prophet Abraham had been commanded to sacrifice was not Isaac but another son who had been born several years beforc him, 'Allama Ibn Jarir rejects this express argument, saying that in the beginning only the good news of the birth of the Prophet Isaac had been given. Then, when he became ready to be scarificed for the sake of Allah's approval and pleasure, it was rewarded in the form of the good news of his Prophethood. But this reply to the argument is weaker still. If it had really been so, Allah would not have said: ¦We gave him the good news of Isaac, a Prophet among the righteous," but "We gave him the good news that this same son of yours would be a Prophet among the righteous." (5) Authentic traditions confirm that the horns of the ram which was slaughtered as a ransom for the Prophet Ishmael remained preserved in the Holy Ka'bah till the time of Hadrat 'Abdullah bin Zubair. Afterwards when Hajjaj bin Yusuf besieged Ibn Zubair in the Ka'bah and demolished the Kab'bah, the horns also were destroyed. Both Ibn 'Abbas and 'Amir Sha'bi; testify that they had seen the horns in the Ka'bah. (Ibn Kathir). This is a proof of the fact that the event of the sacrifice had taken place in Makkah and not in Syria, and concerned the Prophet Ishmael. That is why a relic of it had been preserved in the Holy Ka'bah built by the Prophets Abraham and Ishmael. (6) The Arab traditions confirmed that this event of the sacrifice had taken place in Mina (near Makkah), and it was not only a tradition but practically also it had been a part of the Hajj rites for centuries. Even until the time of the Holy Prophet people used to offer the animal sacrifice in Mina at the place where the Prophet Abraham had offered the sacrifice. Afterwards when the Holy Prophet was raised as a Prophet, he also maintained and continued the same tradition; so that even till today sacrifices are offered in Mina on the 10th of Dhil-Hajj. This continual practice of 4,500 years or so is an undeniable proof of the fact that the heirs to the tradition of sacrifice made by the Prophet Abraham have been the descendants of the Prophet Ishmael and not of the Prophet Isaac. There has never been any such tradition among the descendants of the Prophet Isaac according to which the whole community might have offered the sacrifice at one and the same time and regarded it as a continuation of the sacrifice made by the Prophet Abraham. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by terrezo2002(m): 4:47pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
Failure is when you are on a top speed in a wrong direction. So much knowledge in false information. What a pity! 4 Likes |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by LordReed(m): 5:05pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
Assiduously arguing that your god requested human sacrifice? Do you even consider what you are writing? 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Arkmanbuddy(m): 5:58pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
First of, the Bible records that Isaac was the promised son of Abraham, that's why it says "your only son, whom thou loveth." Checking the timeframe, it was after Isaac was born that the intended sacrifice took place, and Ishmael wasn't even around them anymore at the time. Secondly, you don't use the Quran to explain or fault anything in the Bible as they don't say the same things. You quoted some people in the Hadith that saw the ram's horn as the evidence of the event taking place in Mecca. It's laughable! 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Tolams16(m): 6:06pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
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| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by sagenaija: 8:11pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
AntiChristian: Sometimes one doesn't know if you guys turn off your brains when it comes to some issues. You are quoting the book of Genesis. The story does not end where you stopped. But for some strange reasons you choose to stop the story there and then make up your own conclusions. Did you bother to go on to chapter 22? Why not? If you did you would have seen that the story continued with: "Now AFTER THESE THINGS, God tested Abraham......." After which things? The things of chapter 21 where Ishmael had been SENT AWAY with his mother Hagar. Because you want to be DECEITFUL as usual, you deliberately chose to give your own conclusions. It is clear from the biblical narrative, given THOUSANDS OF YEARS before Islam, that the child in focus is Isaac. NOWHERE in the Koran does it say that it was Ishmael. Infact, if you are to be honest, (a quality that many of you Abduls lack), you will have to agree that the "child of promise" to Abraham and Sarah in the Koran is Isaac. Because Islam sought credibility by linking itself to Abraham via Ishmael, you guys do all you can to discredit even narratives written long before Islam EVOLVED from what Mohamed preached as "the religion of Abraham" to what it turned out into today. You should see this: https://www.nairaland.com/6491266/yasir-qadhi-did-god-ask#100483426 And then tell us who really is the son of Abraham that he was asked to sacrifice. 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by kingxsamz(m): 9:38pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
 Imagine if the police caught a man trying to slaughter his son with a knife and he said some god sent him to do it. Psychiatric hospital straight, not even jail. Even Christians will condemn him and call the man wicked. They'd say "evil is so rampant these days", "the heart of man is wicked". But see them using the story of a man trying to slaughter and burn his son like a goat as an inspiration. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Image123(m): 11:29pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
kingxsamz: Context duh. The Omniscient God knows things, He's not limited to foolish imaginations. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by xproducer: 1:26am On Jul 17, 2021 |
AntiChristian: ======= The word of GOD, the Holy Bible is harmonious in its entirety. If you consider historically and practically: In Genesis 16:16 - "Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram." Hagar was a bondwoman / slave that became Abrahams next wife. In Genesis 17:17-19 - GOD promised / declared that Sarah would bear a son - Isaac (this when Abraham was 100 years old and Sarah 90 years old. In Genesis 17:20 - GOD blessed Ishmael In Genesis 21: 9-13 - Sarah said to Abraham, “Cast out this bondwoman and her son; for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, namely with Isaac.” It displeased Abraham because he was his son, "But God said to Abraham, “Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed.” In Genesis 21:14 & 20 - Abraham sent Hagar away with Ishmael so "she departed and wandered in the Wilderness of Beersheba" - but "God was with the lad; and he grew and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer" and "He dwelt in the Wilderness of Paran" So you see after the aforementioned events, and in Genesis 22 - GOD tested Abraham by commanding him to sacrifice his "only son" in obedience. GOD speaks very deliberately and refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only son" three times! (verses 2, 12 and 16). Three is often indicative of purpose. While Ishmael was in fact Abrahams son, Isaac was: 1. The only son that Abraham was living with at the time of his test (Genesis 22) and 2. The only son that GOD purposed to establish an everlasting covenant with [Genesis 17 :19] - a covenant of grace in the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world - Revelation 13:8 ). Also John 17:24, Hebrews 4:3, 1 Peter 1:20. There is no contradiction! ========== Two Covenants 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written: “Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children Than she who has a husband.” 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by kingxsamz(m): 2:05am On Jul 17, 2021 |
LordReed: Lol, I mean, their god literally sacrificed his own son. Their god must be a lover of human blood. Notice how Christians pretend to drink the blood of Jesus during communion. Some vampire cult type sh!t going on. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by LordReed(m): 2:11am On Jul 17, 2021 |
kingxsamz: Just crazy stuff. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Samunique(m): 2:57am On Jul 17, 2021 |
ANTICHRISTIAN, Pls show us in the Quran where Muhammad/Allah said it was Ishmael that was to be sacrificed or keep silent forever. If the Bible comes out plainly on this subject and Quran does not, in a matter as serious as this, an event that Muslims emulate all over the world by slaughtering rams, don't you think that something is fishy? How can Allah revealed almost all things to Muhammad, giving him the mother of all books, ( according to Muslims belief ) and then omitted one of the very important aspects of Muslims faith, reducing it to hearsays and speculations, that the Muslims have to rely on Addiths and other sources like the Bible which they claim has been corrupted ? If your Quran cannot authoritatively tells us the name of the son that was to be sacrificed, don't you think it's better to keep quiet ? How can Allah ask you to sacrifice rams every year without telling you categorically the name of the Son that was to be sacrificed? This is just one amongst many defects of Islam ! 1 Like |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Image123(m): 7:04am On Jul 17, 2021 |
kingxsamz: Is it not interesting that you try so hard to be "good" or morally better than followers of the One that is good? Reason Samuel, yes you can. |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Image123(m): 7:06am On Jul 17, 2021 |
LordReed: Yet your whole life and family revolves around it. Look closely, who's doing crazy reed? |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:43am On Jul 17, 2021 |
Na wah o!  Why can't you people allow the gentleman to preach and win souls for his god in peace nah?  |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by AntiChristian: 10:54am On Jul 18, 2021 |
Samunique: Be calm and learn! Allah has stated the son that was sacrificed. It was in the context of those verses. But those with other opinion decided not to see it. Islam has no defects except what your brain ain't able to resolve! 1 Like |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:58am On Jul 18, 2021 |
Sa.munique: Antichristian how far, how market? Do justice to this question |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by AntiChristian: 11:03am On Jul 18, 2021 |
xproducer: The contradiction isn't solved! A child casted out does not make him disowned! You ended Genesis 21:20 with ".. because he (Ishmael) is your seed. He was still his seed according to the bible so, "only son" doesn't come in. Jacob too married some slaves who had children! Was there any children separations thereafter? And how is the Lord fair by casting out the seed He approved and allowed to germinate? And comparison of this sacrifice to Jesus' crucifixion will need a Sarah and Hagar for YAHWEH. Also a half brother is needed for Jesus to complete the narrative. |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by xproducer: 12:28pm On Jul 18, 2021 |
AntiChristian: ----- To you it appears not to be solved... but you miss the point that Isaac is the only one/son recognized as the son for GOD's purposes. Ishmael was not recognized for GOD's everlasting covenant of grace, yet GOD still blessed and multiplied him on earth. The LORD reigns! The LORD GOD is "righteous in all His ways and holy in all His works" - Psalm 145:17 "But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases." - Psalm 115:3 Romans 9:6-25 Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea: “I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.” |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by xproducer: 1:15pm On Jul 18, 2021 |
"Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:58am Sa.munique: ANTICHRISTIAN, Pls show us in the Quran where Muhammad/Allah said it was Ishmael that was to be sacrificed or keep silent forever. If the Bible comes out plainly on this subject and Quran does not, in a matter as serious as this, an event that Muslims emulate all over the world by slaughtering rams, don't you think that something is fishy? How can Allah revealed almost all things to Muhammad, giving him the mother of all books, ( according to Muslims belief ) and then omitted one of the very important aspects of Muslims faith, reducing it to hearsays and speculations, that the Muslims have to rely on Addiths and other sources like the Bible which they claim has been corrupted ? If your Quran cannot authoritatively tells us the name of the son that was to be sacrificed, don't you think it's better to keep quiet ? How can Allah ask you to sacrifice rams every year without telling you categorically the name of the Son that was to be sacrificed? This is just one amongst many defects of Islam ! Antichristian how far, how market? Do justice to this question" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Know this, the Holy Bible is the infallible word of GOD: "for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21 (Also 2 Timothy 3:16) No prophecy therein has failed, nor will fail. The Holy Bible was written over a period of 1500 years (from old testament to new). The last book of the Bible - Revelations - was revealed to the Apostle John in the Isles of Patmos in A.D. 95! A.D. means after the death of CHRIST. 515 years (over five centuries) LATER (in A.D. 610) - the Quran began being written and was finished in A.D. 632, about 23 years later. So, one key point is when the Quran was written in relation to the Bible... (it was finished 537 years AFTER the Bible was finished). Another point that stands out is that the Quranic "revelations" are believed to have been revealed "through the archangel Gabriel (Jibril)." GOD knows all things! From a reasonably Biblical perspective, it does not compute that after GOD sent His Angel Gabriel to at least three different people in the Bible (Daniel, Mary and Zacharias)... that GOD would then send the Angel to someone to declare things that are contrary to things already declared - to essentially begin another belief system /gospel/religion that DOES NOT recognized the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST as the only Savior - Acts 4:12. Facts - GOD sent His Angel Gabriel to deliver a message to the Mary approximately 643 years earlier announcing the arrival of the Messiah, The Lord JESUS - the Word made flesh! (John 1:14). GOD also sent the Angel Gabriel to the priest Zacharias to announce the birth of John the Baptist, Zacharias' and Elizabeth's son (Luke 1:11-21) and sent to Daniel in about 164 B.C. to interpret / reveal Daniel's visions (Daniel 8:15-16, Daniel 9:21). "For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints." - 1 Corinthians 14:33 +++ Christ’s Birth Announced to Mary 26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!” 29 But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.” 34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?” 35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing will be impossible.” "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Samunique(m): 1:43pm On Jul 18, 2021 |
AntiChristian:hehehehe  Meanwhile, you are yet to show us where Allah said the lad was Ishmael, so stop beating around the bush. |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Mineisgrace(f): 1:45pm On Jul 18, 2021 |
Samunique: Ishmael is fake news. They don't believe the Bible yet they want to use it to defend their lies |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Samunique(m): 5:24pm On Jul 18, 2021 |
Mineisgrace: |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by AntiChristian: 1:45pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Samunique: Chai! Even if I show you, una go accept am? |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by AntiChristian: 2:08pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
xproducer: Ishmael was implied from the Qur'an 37:100-113 My Lord, grant me [a child] from among the righteous. So We gave him good tidings of a forbearing boy. And when he reached with him [the age of] exertion, he said, "O my son, indeed I have seen in a dream that I [must] sacrifice you, so see what you think." He said, "O my father, do as you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the steadfast." And when they had both submitted and he put him down upon his forehead, We called to him, "O Abraham, You have fulfilled the vision." Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good. Indeed, this was the clear trial. And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice, And We left for him [favorable mention] among later generations: "Peace upon Abraham." Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good. Indeed, he was of Our believing servants. And We gave him good tidings of Isaac, a prophet from among the righteous. And We blessed him and Isaac. But among their descendants is the doer of good and the clearly unjust to himself. Samunique who do you think this verse implied was sacrificed? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Know this, the Holy Bible is the infallible word of GOD: All these are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But you saying the Bible as it exist today was completed before the Qur'an is a lie! Get your facts right before posting a lie here. When was the Bible as it is today first canonized (if you even know what that means)? |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by AntiChristian: 2:11pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
xproducer: What's all this long prose? Abraham had two sons! One was sent out with his mother. Does this make him no more Abraham's son? How does this make Isaac the only son when the other is not dead? Simple question that needs a simple answer! |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by xproducer: 4:53pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
AntiChristian: ============ "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14 |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:37pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
AntiChristian: Ever heard The Law "Consent is The Law?" Here are other Laws "Abuse Invalidates, the Use" "Abuse, is not Use, IT IS CORRUPTION!" "Any Action Founded on Duress and Undue influence, is Unlawfull what I did against my Will is not my Fault and can not be held against me" And many many other Laws render Ishmael an illegal and an unlawful seed. And God, The Law Himself, Can not and does not Do nor permit the doing or the Using of an Unlawfull Act.. Hence, The Law "Nothing can stand or be placed on any Illegalty!" Therefore, Isaac was and is the True And "Only Son" (Legitimate) of Abraham, as the Bible stated. |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by AntiChristian: 5:44pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: No Bible verse to support you? How many slaves did Jacob marry just like Abraham? Was there any casting out of Children? |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by AntiChristian: 5:50pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
xproducer: Paul allegedly said this. Wetin Jesus talk? |
| Re: Who Did Abraham Try To Sacrifice? by xproducer: 5:56pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
AntiChristian: ====== Your response denotes the very lack of understanding I am referring to. Only GOD mercifully reveals truth! "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Yet, on the same subject (man's inherent inability to understand the word of GOD without revelation/being taught of GOD). the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST says in pertinent part: "And He said, “To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that ‘Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand."” - Luke 8:10 |
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