smile11s:
The real and original owners are Igbo People.

The ancestors that made these bronze artifacts were the same people that made the ones in Egypt. And these ancestors were Igbo. Return it back to the original owners. The Igbo People

You must be joking right? So they should return the pyramids and mummies in Egypt to the Igbos too?

royal231:
Like days of old Benin was seat of Govt.. Today seat of govt is in Abuja..

Most of those Benin bronzes were not manufactured in Benin but were brought by other tribes..


I rest

Yes, just the way the pyramids were brought to Egypt by other tribes.

You are the perfect example of the many disadvantages of taking out history lessons from the curriculum of Nigerian schools

slivertongue:
it sud be from national government to subnational govt to oba. obs is under Edo state govt. he sud face the governor not challenge him before fg. northern kings are more careful of political power

Do you know why politicians run to traditional rulers when its election time. Let Obaseki try any rubbish with the Oba of Benin and see what Benin people would do to him. He is a Bini man sef, so he already knows his boundaries.

freshalien:


Yes, just the way the pyramids were brought to Egypt by other tribes.

You are the perfect example of the many disadvantages of taking out history lessons from the curriculum of Nigerian schools

My guy you funny.. You said the truth.. Its Benin property


Did the Egyptian build the pyramids themselves or slaves sef? The pyramids were most probably built by other tribes..

The artifacts will be returned to Benin..

Charmingrascal:
I don't know what Obaseki want to do with traditional ancient artefacts.
If they're kept with the government, another government will take over someday and might not value those things infact many might be stolen.


Those artefacts are more
esteemed to traditionalists, than the government.



Oba of Benin is the rightful person who deserve to take custody of those things and house them in the palace.

It is not right for the federal government to hold on to those things.

Baba might take a loan and use those things as collateral.


Give it to Oba for the culture

Oba of Benin will get nothing because revenue generated will go to the state government for development of the state. Oba will used the revenue generated to benefit his family.

Oba of Benin will get nothing because revenue generated will go to the state government for development of the state. Oba will used the revenue generated to benefit his family

Juliusmalema:
Lai mohammed should return the facts or artefacts to obaseki

Yinmu

HOVER206:

Don't blame Obaseki, it is the OBA

How can the oba be blamed when the items are actually for the royals and it’s abt tradition

Afam4eva:
I really don't understand why people are sentimental and bias about this issue.

It makes more sense for the Edo state Government to keep it since where the bronzes were taken are now under their jurisdiction.

The reason it should not be handed over to the Oba of Benin is because the traditional system has no recognized role under the constitution and there are no checks and balances to check the excesses of the traditional body. For instance, what stops the present Oba from keeping those bronzes as his personal property if handed over to him.

The oba can’t keep them; he’s the head of tradition, he leaves and dies and someone else inherits it. It’s not his property. State government will mismanage it

Mangekyo:
Obaseki Vs Oba Of Benin: FG Reveals Who Will Take Possession Of Looted Benin Bronze



Source; https://dailypost.ng/2021/07/17/obaseki-vs-oba-of-benin-fg-reveals-who-will-take-possession-of-looted-benin-bronzes/

this is what happen when you have two obas in a kingdom. Oba seki and Oba benin

The Oba and the governor are just 2 shit guys,see how they have given the federal government opportunity to take over the coveted artifact,the Palace and the Edo government must now come together and fight this Fulani Lie Muhammed and his people who want to steal our heritage again,what nonsense ,what does the federal government know about the benin treasure,these things are sacred mehn

How can these uncultured bastards want to take charge of highly revered artefacts of the benin kingdom? They will sell to the highest bidders like Dangote or give it to their isis wing to destroy.

UGBE634:
I just wish to point this out Hornytave. you can't pay them if you are to give each Benin speaking community in Edo south an Enogie. Some of these community Enogies have like 12 other big communities under their jurisdiction, when these communities are in crisis they go to such Enogies to preside over their issues. Enogie of Evbobanosa preside over like ten communities, the same with the Enogie of Iguobazuwa.who preside over like 12 communities. Very few Enogies preside over just one community and those communities must be populated enough and must be semi urban

many communities without Enogies have Ohen or Okhao.
They tend to be independent of the Enogie and are very stubborn in land related issues.

Afam4eva:
I really don't understand why people are sentimental and bias about this issue.

It makes more sense for the Edo state Government to keep it since where the bronzes were taken are now under their jurisdiction.

The reason it should not be handed over to the Oba of Benin is because the traditional system has no recognized role under the constitution and there are no checks and balances to check the excesses of the traditional body. For instance, what stops the present Oba from keeping those bronzes as his personal property if handed over to him.

And you think Obaseki cannot keep it as its personal property.

This is very simple, state government should concentrate on his role in fulfilling his mandate. Keeping artefacts isn't one of them, let the traditional leaders handle their forefathers

Charmingrascal:
I don't know what Obaseki want to do with traditional ancient artefacts.
If they're kept with the government, another government will take over someday and might not value those things infact many might be stolen.


Those artefacts are more esteemed to traditionalists, than the government.



Oba of Benin is the rightful person who deserve to take custody of those things and house them in the palace.

It is not right for the federal government to hold on to those things.

Baba might take a loan and use those things as collateral.


Give it to Oba for the culture

Those artefacts are better off in European museums. At least, we get royalties annually for them.

But in Nigeria, we need well maintained museums to keep these artefacts intact.

Neither the FG, Obaseki nor the Oba of Benin appear prepared for this job.

They just want the artefacts back. No one is talking about the cost of maintaining them or the availability of art lovers who would be willing to see these artefacts.

what royalties ??

these na protocol. benin museum go keep them. edo too need income

BluntTheApostle:


Those artefacts are better off in European museums. At least, we get royalties annually for them.

But in Nigeria, we need well maintained museums to keep these artefacts intact.

Neither the FG, Obaseki nor the Oba of Benin appear prepared for this job.

They just want the artefacts back. No one is talking about the cost of maintaining them or the availability of art lovers who would be willing to see these artefacts.

frog12:
what royalties ??

these na protocol. benin museum go keep them. edo too need income

Do you know how much it costs to preserve a single artefact?

About 750 dollars per 3-dimensional object every 6 hours. And there are hundreds of those artefacts.

We don't even have preservation materials, which means we would be importing them.

It also costs money to store them. Although not much money; around 30 dollars a year.

Where will the Oba get all that money? From the state government which struggles to make something out of limited allocations, or the FG which is battling inflation and post-recession challenges?

Bring those artefacts to Nigeria, and watch them disintegrate or lose their gloss in a year.

We all know the owner of the artifacts and where it was stolen from. It should be returned to the rightful owner, which is the palace of Oba of Benin. Irresponsible govt trying to play a fast one. Which jurisdiction? The Oba of Benin should head to court. The items doesn't belong to Nigeria that does not value history. It belong to the Benin people, and this is represented by the Oba of Benin.

it belongs to the people and that's the government. the oba can also maintain it. the oba is trying to play a fast one.

ajl:
We all know the owner of the artifacts and where it was stolen from. It should be returned to the rightful owner, which is the palace of Oba of Benin. Irresponsible govt trying to play a fast one. Which jurisdiction? The Oba of Benin should head to court. The items doesn't belong to Nigeria that does not value history. It belong to the Benin people, and this is represented by the Oba of Benin.

BluntTheApostle:


Do you know how much it costs to preserve a single artefact?

About 750 dollars per 3-dimensional object every 6 hours. And there are hundreds of those artefacts.

We don't even have preservation materials, which means we would be importing them.

It also costs money to store them. Although not much money; around 30 dollars a year.

Where will the Oba get all that money? From the state government which struggles to make something out of limited allocations, or the FG which is battling inflation and post-recession challenges?

Bring those artefacts to Nigeria, and watch them disintegrate or lose their gloss in a year.

See this one! Maintain what artifacts? Like they dropped from Mars. Where they not held at the same Oba of Benin palace for hundreds of years before they were stolen. It's bronze, not some wooden item that will be eaten by termites. If the Benin people did not take care of them before they were stolen, how would they have been stolen in the first place. Are people reasoning at all?

YOU ARE STILL PAINED THAT THE MAN DEFEATED OSHOMOLE AND HIS GANG THAT YOU ARE A PART OF IN THE LAST ELECTION.

Mikecold:
Obaseki you see yourself

You knew this government doesn't fancy you to start with, you now gave them a perfect excuse

Below is how it has been done even before you became governor

tell us more. what's needed to preserve them. good air ventilation or air-conditioned room. dusting them. we can employ specialists in these area. stop being a colonist and think of doing work yourself !

the oba no get the money. him and him family are all living on government allowance and then they can travel everywhere in the world. the rightful place is a museum constructed and maintained by the state. the oba should be proud to be a trustee.

BluntTheApostle:


Do you know how much it costs to preserve a single artefact?

About 750 dollars per 3-dimensional object every 6 hours. And there are hundreds of those artefacts.

We don't even have preservation materials, which means we would be importing them.

It also costs money to store them. Although not much money; around 30 dollars a year.

Where will the Oba get all that money? From the state government which struggles to make something out of limited allocations, or the FG which is battling inflation and post-recession challenges?

Bring those artefacts to Nigeria, and watch them disintegrate or lose their gloss in a year.

Afam4eva:
I really don't understand why people are sentimental and bias about this issue.

It makes more sense for the Edo state Government to keep it since where the bronzes were taken are now under their jurisdiction.

The reason it should not be handed over to the Oba of Benin is because the traditional system has no recognized role under the constitution and there are no checks and balances to check the excesses of the traditional body. For instance, what stops the present Oba from keeping those bronzes as his personal property if handed over to him.

God help my people to reason. Where were the artifacts stolen from by the British? Largely from the palace of the Oba of Benin. So, the items are simply returning home to the rightful owner.

And what constitution are you referring to? That fraudulent document that only the northerners want.

he said the european museums were paying us royalties !
what royalties?
they stole all these art work and place them in their museums, generating income for themselves !

ajl:


See this one! Maintain what artifacts? Like they dropped from Mars. Where they not held at the same Oba of Benin palace for hundreds of years before they were stolen. It's bronze, not some wooden item that will be eaten by termites. If the Benin people did not take care of them before they were stolen, how would they have been stolen in the first place. Are people reasoning at all?

time don change man! these works were designed by ordinary people. it should be in a State museum not Oba private palace, where Oba go keep all the income !

reason man!

ajl:


God help my people to reason. Where the artifacts stolen from by the British? Largely from the palace of the Oba of Benin. So, the items are simply returning home to the rightful owner.

And what constitution are you referring to? That fraudulent document that only the northerners want.

frog12:
time don change man! these works were designed by ordinary people. it should be in a State museum not Oba private palace, where Oba go keep all the income !

reason man!

Sad, they did not teach you history in high school in Nigeria. History has it that in the ancient Benin, the royal palace had multiple bronze arts makers that create those objects as way to keep records of events and incidents that involve the king or palace. They were made for the pleasure of the kings then. So, they belong to the palace, and largely to Benin people. Not Nigeria.

HornyTave:


many communities without Enogies have Ohen or Okhao.
They tend to be independent of the Enogie and are very stubborn in land related issues.

Yes this is true "na them dae give Oba headache pass for boundary delineation matter among communities". Sometimes I must admit the Benin man is so stubborn, "see Obaseki life outside now leave this thing he say he dae forbid"like Obaseki, like Esama

freshalien:


You must be joking right? So they should return the pyramids and mummies in Egypt to the Igbos too?

How? Get sense Abeg. Igbo people were the black people that built the pyramids. When I visited Giza pyramid, all the ancient Hebrews that were written on it are 80% similar to the Igbo language of southeast Nigeria.

so tell the oba to go repatriate them himself

ajl:


Sad, they did not teach you history in high school in Nigeria. History has it that in the ancient Benin, the royal palace had multiple bronze arts makers that create those objects as way to keep records of events and incidents that involve the king or palace. They were made for the pleasure of the kings then. So, they belong to the palace, and largely to Benin people. Not Nigeria.

What concerns Federal or State Govt with Artefacts? The state Government should assist the Benin Traditional institution to build a Museum to warehouse those Artefacts

CSTRR:
To be fair, I think the obaseki idea would have been the best.

He wanted to create a museum to display these beautiful arts to generate revenue for the state.

The oba wanted it in his palace where it would be probably be under restrictions, and all revenues will go to him alone.

Lai Muhammed will probably put it in his office, because I don't know if there is any federal museum in place.

Those artefacts were never meant for generation of revenue from the public by those who made them in the first instance. They were carved for use in traditional rites in certain cultural practices which the people still do till today and that is why Obaseki, as a Bini man aware of the culture, initially, and as far back as June 2019, agreed with the Oba without any argument that the artefacts would go straight to Benin Royal Museum. So why is he now changing tune?

nextstep:
The artifacts belong to the sovereign in the land, which is currently the Federal Government.

Yes, they were taken from Benin Kingdom, but that kingdom has long ceased to be sovereign, and so it falls to FG to own these artifacts.

If Benin wants to collect, it should become its own kingdom again, independent from Nigeria.

As for the state of Edo, it has no say in the matter.

Nigerian sovereignty was imposed on Benin Kingdom. Remember? Is there any record of the Oba of Benin granting consent to the creation of Nigeria?