Aboguede:
U no get senssse and u can chot upps

Look at another confused mind, simply because I do not share your opinion, you became abusive, the only defense for a lazy man like the Pastor

Lifestone:

He was employed by the Church. Ofcourse when you hear them at the interview, they will claim they have the call of God, it's obvious here that this Pastor has no call from God

And some mumus would accept this statement.

phemmyfour:
Reno is over the bar

Bearing fruits isn't about Church/financial growth , it's not for Pastors. It's for BELIEVERS and centered on soul winning

Yeah I kinda understand.
Growing population equals to rise in Capita...

I might be wrong sha

Lifestone:

He was employed by the Church. Ofcourse when you hear them at the interview, they will claim they have the call of God, it's obvious here that this Pastor has no call from God

If he was employed by the church, then it insinuates that it was sanctioned by God. God is not “denominational” , so He's not primarily concerned with the number of people who attend a particular church denomination. What He cares about is how you tend the flock available to you. It is not narrowed to a particular denomination, you can have a flock outside the corners of a building.

The work of God is multidimensional.

advanceDNA:


I don’t thinks this is about money..

In winners, the main duty of resident pastor is church growth i.e in numbers of people...

the fact is...no pastor can force people to give...Increase in number of people doesn’t necessarily translate to increase in money...

For example...if number of women( mothers are on the increase in a particular month. Automatically that’s double or triple because mothers will come with kids... but that won’t mean increase in offering or tithe...as children don’t give...

A pastor can’t drag rich people to church or force them to give so really he has no control over increase in money....

My opinion shaa

BE SINCERE TO YOURSELF BRO.......

No wonder the living faith pastors in my area have intensified sharing of fliers inviting new members.

They can only deceive gullible Nigerians, not me! Any day I see myself in any penteRascals church, then I'll know that it is finished!

Lifestone:

Look at your twisted rationality, a Church hired a Pastor and he should evangelize for convert to go to other churches when he's heading a church where these converts can be disciplined.
Well the simple question that his employer asked him is to show his fruits, he couldn't and he was rightly fired.

Haven't you ever heard a pastor said, "Visit our church or any Bible-believing church? Do you know why they say this? They know that they are not competing with other churches for members. This is because all churches win souls for the kingdom.

Aren't we at the end time? It shouldn't be surprising if people aren't turning out for church?

Humanoid01:

If he was employed by the church, then it insinuates that it was sanctioned by God. God is not “denominational” , so He's not primarily concerned with the number of people who attend a particular church denomination. What He cares about is how you tend the flock available to you. It is not narrowed to a particular denomination, you can have a flock outside the corners of a building.

The work of God is multidimensional.

Then how do you measure his performance. Read the account of Jesus parable of the talent. Christ expect you to be productive and teaches that there are consequent for non performance

Church growth is not just numbers.Does Oyedepo has the right to sack pastors who are willing to serve God?Is Oyedepo the owner of the Church or Christ?

BinamRex:


Haven't you ever heard a pastor said, "Visit our church or any Bible-believing church? Do you know why they say this? They know that they are not competing with other churches for members. This is because all churches win souls for the kingdom.

So he does not need a church to do that. But you are paid to preach the gospel and win soul, find a way to show your fruits. It's called accountability

U think these pastors will seat down in their respective parish without pursuing growth? There is more to this. The church is not telling us d truth

Lifestone:

You are prejudiced.
Why will you insinuate what was not written in the letter. It's convenient for you to insult the Church and not hold the Pastor accountable for what he was hired to do.
Oyedepo is not a stupid man otherwise he wouldn't have been successful in building a Church from zero to over 2million membership. Simply say you hate the Church but that won't stop the church of Christ from growing.

We all saw the letter and nothing was stated about winning of souls. The letter simply said the pastors did not meet their growth index in its performance reviews, thats same thing companies tell employees that cant bring in new accounts and deals for them. How is it a pastors fault if people refused to come to church or donate? Hes expected to force them? Hasn't the pandemic affected everyone enough, including churches?

Read the letter here and point out where its stated that they're fired for not winning souls like you have twisted the reason for the sack.

https://punchng.com/winners-chapel-sacked-me-for-failing-to-generate-enough-income-pastor/

Lifestone:

Then how do you measure his performance. Read the account of Jesus parable of the talent. Christ expect you to be productive and teaches that there are consequent for non performance

That's the point I'm making. You don't measure performance strictly based on the number of persons that attend your local church. Your spiritual impact GENERALLY in the lives of people is what counts because ultimately, God is the employer, and we are His employees.

You don't know the seeds that the said pastor has sown in the lives of others, even though they don't fellowship with Him. These are the things that God looks at, amongst so many others.

MemoriesAndMe:

We all saw the letter and nothing was stated about winning of souls. The letter simply said the pastors did not meet their performance objectives, thats same thing companies tell employees that cant bring in new accounts and deals for them.
Read the letter here and point out where its stated that they're fired for not winning souls like you have twisted the reason for the sack.
https://punchng.com/winners-chapel-sacked-me-for-failing-to-generate-enough-income-pastor/

Bro read that letter slowly again.

A man can only sack a pastor if the pastor was called(employed) by the same man..


A man called by God cannot by sack..no matter how slow his growth is . God is a God of timing and increase the church of his servant as is own appointed time.

BigRocky:
A man can only sack a pastor if the pastor was called(employed) by the same man..


A man called by God cannot by sack..no matter how slow his growth is . God is a God of timing and increase the church of his servant as is own appointed time.

Say no more sir, because you have said it all.

Reno's head is not correct.

Lifestone:

You are prejudiced.
Why will you insinuate what was not written in the letter. It's convenient for you to insult the Church and not hold the Pastor accountable for what he was hired to do.
Oyedepo is not a stupid man otherwise he wouldn't have been successful in building a Church from zero to over 2million membership. Simply say you hate the Church but that won't stop the church of Christ from growing.

How is he prejudiced? Can u negate d biblical angle he gave? Should d content of d letter supersede biblical principles on d matter? What is d church? Is it a denomination built by a man?

Lifestone:
Some lazy anti church elements never bothered to read the letter anyway, they ran to town screaming Church is a Business.
What's in a Pastor that could not bring in souls into the Kingdom of God? What was he hired to do?
Am not surprised where we are today as a nation when we could not hold people accountable for the assignments that they were given.
The attitude of the Pastor is the more reason he failed, an entitlement mentality and he was rightly sacked.

he can be redeployed into other departments in the church, I don't want to believe that this was how it happened, what happened to payment of benefits and other entitlements? Reno can quote any part of the bible to back up this nonsense, but definitely wrong in strata of human endeavour, I am a fan oyedepo,but is not right.

Pauladex:
It is quite unfortunate that people don't really get the true picture of what happened. As far as am concerned, one thing is to do what you are asked to do, another thing for you to get results. No matter how highly anointed you are, just pray that you are not posted to some environments that will suck your anointing dry. You will pray and fast but the results won't just come immediately. if you have not been there before you won't understand. A village with 50 Muslim,50 Catholic faithful, 100 traditional worshipers plus other ogogoro drinkers who have been there for 50years and you are posted to church without any member or few uncommitted/ frustrating members with performance index stirring at you, may run you mad. I think the time giving to the pastor is too short for the him to get results. Many missionaries sent to Africa spent years before getting 10 members but their labor of years made Oyedepo himself a Christian today.

What are you saying. No vex me o. Wic one be time giving to him. Na marketing company. Anglican and catholic churches can sack u like dis

Lifestone:
And take the unproductive Pastor to go and mess up another section of the Church, this is the main reason we have failed as a nation, recycling failed politicians instead of sacking them.
I have said repeatedly that you guys should stop insinuating what was not written, the letter was clear enough, try and clear your mind

Changing the leadership of the church won't mess up another church. Sometimes, a church may not grow for different reasons other than the pastor's incompetence. Don't compare this with politics. Church growth is more of 20% man-made strategy, the remainder (80%) na God hand e dey. In politics, you can force a contractor to build a school. In church, you can't force anyone to church, not even your own family.

You can transfer the pastor of the church to go and serve under or with another pastor in an established church. You only fire someone you called. If you believe that God called your pastor, then you have no right to dismiss them unless, like I stated, three are genuine reasons to do so (may be fraud, etc.).

Lifestone:
Some lazy anti church elements never bothered to read the letter anyway, they ran to town screaming Church is a Business.
What's in a Pastor that could not bring in souls into the Kingdom of God? What was he hired to do?
Am not surprised where we are today as a nation when we could not hold people accountable for the assignments that they were given.
The attitude of the Pastor is the more reason he failed, an entitlement mentality and he was rightly sacked.

I'm sure oyedepo got query from heaven's gate keepers that those pastors were not churning in enough souls, so he did the needful

advanceDNA:


Im not expecting them to say anything .... I’ve been in the section where money is counted before ...trust me when I say the people that make church rich are not not up to 10%....

Na 100naira and 200 naira offering plenty passs...

Of course,how much do you expect...it's this 100 and 200 in thousand folds that makes it a big deal,from a business point of view,a pure water sachet goes for #20 but a pure water factory knows how much profit they make when they calculate how much turn over they generated by selling to large numbers of people,my take on your assertion of donating small amount of money by an individual.

dahunsi12:
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Am married with children and feedings has become so difficult for us in the past few months, presently there is no hope of feeding this week. Am pleading for financial support from good people of this great platform to please kindly help me and my family.

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Humanoid01:

That's the point I'm making. You don't measure performance strictly based on the number of persons that attend your local church. Your spiritual impact GENERALLY in the lives of people is what counts because ultimately, God is the employer, and we are His employees.

You don't know the seeds that said pastor has sown in the lives of others, even though they don't fellowship with Him. These are the things that God looks at, amongst so many others.

The point is that most people like him sees the job as a career. He didn't handle his disappointment very well. He has done more damage to the church with this foolish indiscretion. That's my anger.

It's simple the Bible in Act 1 v 8 says ye shall receive power after the holy ghost shall come on you and ye shall be my witness in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the uttermost part of the world. If members are winning souls to the kingdom of God and depopulating hell I can't imagine what a pastor of a branch will be doing.Do you know the joy in heaven when a soul is save. But people look at money as their base..the man you're talking is rich.

Living faith is not a church for lazy pastors, not a church you can be drinking coffee in the morning and wasting time and resources meant for bringing souls to the kingdom.

God is interested in soul winning and confirms it when he says at the repentance of souls on earth there are joys in heaven. when a soul repents on earth brings joys in Heaven..may God help this generation.

Besides most of this deployment and postings are done by another group of pastors in different units of the church charged with the monitoring of activities of branches in line with Gods agenda, not directly bishop oyedepo, the bishop does not have time for all the things he delegates. He is focused on his core vision and mandate.

Lifestone:

Bro read that letter slowly again.

I read it very well. I also read the comment from one of the affected pastors that said he called to get some clarification and he was told that the church needs revenue to operate and can't operate at a loss. How is it his fault? I bet he wouldn't have been affected if his church members were fraudsters, kidnappers, drug dealers etc that are able to donate more than enough. Thats totally far from the salvation churches are meant for.

Haven't we all seen how many of these churches want branches in Abuja, PH, Lagos etc and barely think of remote places where financially struggling villagers are? Would they fire pastors there too if they can't meet the said index? Dont most of the prefer areas where profit is certain versus areas where the inhabitants are eager to worship, as they don't want to operate at a loss.

dazzlingd:


I'm sure oyedepo got query from heaven's gate keepers that those pastors were not churning in enough souls, so he did the needful

Lets wait till judgement day to find out, but today Oyedepo has properly handled an unfruitful branch Pastor

MemoriesAndMe:

We all saw the letter and nothing was stated about winning of souls. The letter simply said the pastors did not meet their growth index in its performance reviews, thats same thing companies tell employees that cant bring in new accounts and deals for them. How is it a pastors fault if people refused to come to church or donate? Hes expected to force them? Hasn't the pandemic affected everyone enough, including churches?

Read the letter here and point out where its stated that they're fired for not winning souls like you have twisted the reason for the sack.

https://punchng.com/winners-chapel-sacked-me-for-failing-to-generate-enough-income-pastor/

My bros, I think you should take a read on the letter again. It must not be spelt out just the way want it sir.

dahunsi12:
Good morning to good people of Nairaland.

Am using this medium to seek for your financial support to feel my family.

Am married with children and feedings has become so difficult for us in the past few months, presently there is no hope of feeding this week. Am pleading for financial support from good people of this great platform to please kindly help me and my family.

Access Bank
Dahunsi Samson Olatunji
0042071352
Thank you.

In this situation if u Marry slay queen sorry, if u de do fine boy another sorry, bcus una go de beg de go. Una no go fit do dirty jobs.
Do u know some Women clean houses for 50k and above every month. Do u know conductor as n drivers even Keke driver makes more than 50k every month. Ask urself how long will u keep begging. If it brother or friends gives u 5k or 10k this month, before he gives u another it will be next 6 month and above. So my brother ur own na ur own

lexy2014:


How is he prejudiced? Can u negate d biblical angle he gave? Should d content of d letter supersede biblical principles on d matter? What is d church? Is it a denomination built by a man?

You missed my point
Why not hold the Pastor accountable?