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Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Odidigboigbo(m): 8:01am On Jul 19, 2021 |
emapeteum:Who employed him to be a pastor? |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 8:02am On Jul 19, 2021 |
MT:You will need to answer this question first. Who employs the pastor? God or Oyedepo? If it is God, God will pay him since only God can appreciate whatever he does. Only God knows how many souls he saved in heaven. If you are now saying it was oyedepo that employed.. where do you expect oyedepo to get money to pay him? Since this is purely God's work, I expect you to condemn the pastor that was sacked not the one that sacked him..He expects another man to pay him for doing God's work. Does that makes any sense to you? Finally, you are asking me for a quotation about pastors in the Bible....There were no pastors per see in the Bible. There were priests.....and they were paid from the tithes by members of the congregation not by salary from a senior pastor. Even in the New testament.....the members brought everything they had to the church so it was shared. Bottom line is that it is not possible to pay or feed a pastor according to the Bible without members. Now that the church is empty...why should the pastor be paid by a senior pastor? Show me a reference in the Bible where it was the senior pastor that was paying salary to the junior pastor heading empty churches? Oyedepo did not sack him from church ..he only sacked him from collecting salary and since we are all doing this for God and not money, the pastor shouldn't be complaining 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Lifestone(m): 8:03am On Jul 19, 2021 |
triplechoice:From tithes and offering ofcourse, nobody is disputing that. The more reason the Church can not afford to hold on to a toxic individuals as Pastors |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by damosky12(m): 8:06am On Jul 19, 2021 |
phemmyfour: Take your time to read the full post. Besides, did you read the Winners Chapel letter? Money was not mentioned... |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by lexy2014: 8:06am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Lifestone: Am not arguing. Am asking u simple questions which u can't. D questions are actually a follow up to d points u raised so it has nothing to do his post: 1. How is he prejudiced? 2. Can u negate d biblical angle he gave? 3. Should d content of d letter supersede biblical principles on d matter? 4. What is d church? Is it a denomination built by a man? |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Gambit23: 8:08am On Jul 19, 2021 |
nyiamfrank: Mumu talk |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by MidasO1(m): 8:08am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Lifestone:sheeple spotted |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by CodeTemplar: 8:09am On Jul 19, 2021 |
nyiamfrank:Analogy was used all through the Bible. When Jesus asked Peter to feed His sheep's, was Jesus a Fulani herdman? |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Lifestone(m): 8:10am On Jul 19, 2021 |
MidasO1:Goatie spotted. |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by tsmat(m): 8:12am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Wiseandtrue: Writing in bold letter does not connotes sense at all and that's evident in your write up. Go and read about the encounter of Jesus with the fig tree. If you're not bearing fruit then you're as good as not been there in the first place. And you wrote that bearing fruit is not for pastors. Are you for real? At least make findings before typing rubbish. |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Godmademan(m): 8:12am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Lifestone:You actually expected them to write financial growth in letter? These guys are smart bro. They already envisage that stuffs like this will arise so any statement, letter or publication is well crafted before it's let out. What matters here is not the letter but the objectives spelt out to them upon engagement and reinforced during theIR periodic meetings. I'm a Christian myself but being privy to the leadership dealings in a number of churches I have worked with, I believe there is substance to this allegation. Our number one problem is unemployment. Majority of the pastors we have today in Nigeria would not have smelt the pupilt if they were gainfully employed or having thriving businesses catering for their needs. Kudos to as many as are truly called and allow God's light to shine through them to the world. It's quite unfortunate that some con men keep trying to bring the Christian faith to disrepute. |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by iramure(m): 8:12am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Most comments here in support of Reno and oyedepo are from members of money making chapel who are ready to take bullets for thier CEO |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by advanceDNA: 8:14am On Jul 19, 2021 |
sniperr007: Exactly what I was trying to say.. It can’t be all about money... |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by wirinet(m): 8:15am On Jul 19, 2021 |
helpee: O boy see stupid argument to defend God of Men. I am sure you are ready to drink cool aid for Oyedepo's sake. Ok, answer this. Why should it be the senior pastor that will take (kolobi) all the tithes and offering of all the branches? If the junior pastor is allowed to take the tithes and offerings of his branch, will he be asking for salaries from the senior pastor? Does it then make sense for God to bless a particular branch with tithes and offerings and the junior pastor that God used to collect the blessings cannot be paid directly from that blessings. 1 Like |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by pafra(m): 8:16am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Acidosis: When God called the pastor, did he calling him to winners? He should go and prove his calling. It must not be in winners. The aspects of money. Ask anyone that attends winner's they will nerve emphasis money. Is the only church that don't put anyone under pressure to give. If any church lack anything just apply once approved the money will be released. Every winners church have monthly impress. It is sent at the beginning of every month. All workers are under a central payroll. It is not the duty of the local assembly to raise funds in winner's. It is a taboo for a local assembly to raise funds it is forbidden. If the church wants to build church, school, land or any other project. It is not the responsibility of the local assembly no member of the church is under pressure to donate. The head quarters mobilize the contractor to site. This church is just unique. Winner's transfer pastor every 2 - 3 Years. It improves effectiveness. As for the pastor sack there is more to it |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by emapeteum(m): 8:17am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Odidigboigbo:Ok,Oyedepo church not Church Christ died for.You are correct |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by triplechoice(m): 8:20am On Jul 19, 2021 |
FODA: If they were doing the job because of the salary as you have said above, then it means only one thing which I am sure you already know |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Jameskyrian(m): 8:20am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Lifestone: Hired a pastor? |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by phemmyfour: 8:21am On Jul 19, 2021 |
damosky12:And where is money in my post? |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by MummyD2020(f): 8:21am On Jul 19, 2021 |
nyiamfrank: The. Man don turn chemical reactor. |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by doubleportion: 8:22am On Jul 19, 2021 |
What critics seem not to get that these pastors were employed and paid salaries for that singular purpose, it's not a difficult task for them if God called them to work for Him in that church. There are a lot of scam where district pastors falsify WSF reports for them to remain relevance. So,these pastors understand scope of their work before taking up the jobs. 1 Like |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by helpee(m): 8:23am On Jul 19, 2021 |
wirinet:So who is now making stupid argument? Does it make sense to use the tithe paid by members of a hardworking pastor whose fruits are obvious for all to see and then use it to pay a pastor that has empty seats? If other pastors can work to bring people to the fold, why can't this pastor do same? Lazy People all over. Oyedepo pays every pastor so what is the argument that they are not using the tithe to pay the pastors working? What you are now saying is that they should also pay lazy pastors and if you believe the pastor's work is in heaven then heaven will pay him. You can't blame the pastor for that |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Angelfrost(m): 8:23am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Lifestone: That statement in bold is Biblically out of line my good sir... If you are a true believer, I will advise you apply caution in your arguments and defense of the laity before you indulge in heresy. You made a good point earlier in stating that the pastor was sacked for going against or falling short of the terms of agreement of his employment (Church growth). You should have stopped there, not trying too hard to further belabor the point. The things pertaining to the Kingdom of God are Spiritual, and must never be adjudged carnally. Preaching the Gospel is the sworn and expected duty of all believers, for the sole purpose of increasing church growth. By church growth, not necessarily any specific denomination, but the universal church of Christ which has no denomination. I will like to believe these pastors' failings cut across so many Spiritually sensitive areas, hence the rightful need for removal... There is definitely more to this. You and Mr. Reno are taking this too far! |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Lifestone(m): 8:24am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Godmademan:If that guy is a true pastor, he won't drag the church to social media for ridicule. He knows his action won't bring back his job, but trying to embarrass the church which should ordinarily be his constituency. Where's Daddy Freeze today 1 Like |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by triplechoice(m): 8:27am On Jul 19, 2021 |
pafra: You just rambled without mentioning the exact source of your Church revenue |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by sowilli: 8:29am On Jul 19, 2021 |
How many persons will agree to work for the church without pay? But the truth is that is what the bible encourages. Jesus didn't pay any of his disciples though he had money to pay. Remember Judas was his treasurer. Who paid paul? It was the voluntary giving he recieved and his personal hustle that he used to fund his expenses. Now in the case you are paid, is it not right that you see to the growth of the church? How do you expect church to keep paying your rent, chruch bills and your salary when your income is not upto 10 percent of monthly expenditure. Some of these pastors are the only one in the church. Some have been numbering units since last year. Haba, if you dont have new customers, shouldnt you be bothered yourself. |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Godmademan(m): 8:30am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Lifestone:We are on the same page on that. Many attend bible school when no job is in sight and get employed as a pastor. It doesn't mean that they work for God. |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by 2dominate: 8:32am On Jul 19, 2021 |
We all know church growth is another terminology for money inflow |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Lifestone(m): 8:32am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Angelfrost:Bro but that is the true. It may sound too brutal. If you listen to this Pastor, that was the basis of his arguments, instead of confronting his disappointment and trusting God for the way forward he's destroying his constituency. |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by 2dominate: 8:35am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Lifestone:Be deceiving yourself, so you expect them to acknowledge that it's because of money they were sacked. If all the big pastors were gaining converts steadily from christ time till now, who will not be a ..... |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Looter100: 8:37am On Jul 19, 2021 |
Lifestone:dumb |
Re: Sacked Pastors: Winners Chapel Is In Order - Reno Omokri by Acidosis(m): 8:38am On Jul 19, 2021 |
authority2006: In the first part, I talked about not believing the news that some pastors were sacked because they weren't sending enough money to Oyedepo like many of you wanted us to believe on that thread. Did you read properly or just want to push an opposing narrative? Justifying what I think based on my knowledge of church administration is wrong?? I even went as far as giving reasons as to why a pastor may be dismissed from a church. What is it that you don't understand? Please don't bother quoting me if (1) you're not a Christian,(2) if you have zero idea of church administration. I don't want to waste my time on a Monday morning. |
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