DissTroy:


Ironically, the same "Trans Activists" have been. threatening Caitlyn Jenner too for being Right-leaning .

Transphobia and the likes only apply when you aren't supporting Leftist ideas. It's the hypocrisy being obvious again.

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As a side note, I kept returning to refresh the pages at various times since Sunday evening till last night hoping against hope that any of these guys would take you up on the Critical Race Theory talking points you raised.

Characteristically, they avoided it; and the one(s) who did, refused to address it but went on about semantics of how you paraphrased the definition.

It's like refusing agree to award a goal which scored in a match because the goalscorer whistled while scoring.

Too predictable.

No one is avoiding talking about CRT. What we are avoiding is the scenario when you guys start acting like the three monkeys, you close your eyes, close your ears and close your mouth when the facts starts hitting you. It has played out everytime on this board so we wonder why we should waste our precious time convincing an already made up mind who would never believe.
But i'll try my best not for you or other trump cultist, but for guests who would want to understand why some people don't think America was founded with a racist iron fist and why some people don't want Americans to really grapple with the racism and racists among them.

I'll use this article from CNN that perfectly outlines why this topic (which has been on for decades) is always the truth and why many yet ignorant Americans need to study it's racist past. Please keep your right-left divide aside, your apologetic statements and lets look at each points one by one. I'll break it down.

benalvino2 and 3, disstroy, basiloco etc let's get started. Hope you can read along, don't let the bias in your brain put you off.

Critical race theory is a lens. Here are 11 ways looking through it might refine your understanding of history

Critical race theory is just that -- a theory -- but the term has been weaponized, with its most extreme critics alleging that merely studying the theory is racist.

Long before the concept dubbed CRT drew controversy, scholars were studying how bigotry and bias infiltrated American institutions and shaped American life. After all, any telling of American history cannot fairly ignore that 177 of the country's 245 years -- 72% of its existence, all but roughly three generations -- played out under slavery or Jim Crow.

As Kimberlé Crenshaw, a preeminent CRT scholar, put it: The theory is an approach to "grappling with a history of White supremacy that rejects the belief that what's in the past is in the past."

Yes, race relations are better than they were in 1776, or in 1976, but that's not the point. No one who overlooks the role racism has played in the laws and policies of the United States can have a true and full understanding of its history. It's just dishonest.

What critical race theory is -- and isn't

"Critical race theory's a catchy phrase, but most people talking about it are clueless. To most of us who have been doing this work, it means talking critically about our racist history," said Texas A&M sociology professor Joe Feagin, whose contributions to the scholarship include co-authoring "White Racism: The Basics" and "Living with Racism: The Black Middle-Class Experience."

The driving forces of history -- be they racism, sexism, classism or the like -- need to be discussed in classrooms, where scholars can rigorously suss out fact and fiction. In reconsidering the role of race and racism in American history, that's what students of critical race theory aim to do.

"Kids of color need honest information about society as much as White kids do, so they're prepared to deal with racism," Feagin said. "We are founded on racial oppression. Where I start with this is concrete history. I don't even bring in concepts."

CRT has been around for decades, largely without contention, but given the increasingly divisive nature of the term, let's put it aside and look instead at its underpinnings, the reasons many academics and a growing set of layfolk believe it's needed in today's educational landscape -- not only on college campuses but for younger students, too.

These are established facts of American history, many of them included in "Race, Whiteness, and Education" by scholar Zeus Leonardo, who presented these and other wayposts in an effort to "capture a reliable portrait of White supremacy."

The following list is by no means comprehensive, but it lifts key and oft-overlooked elements of America's story to the fore in an attempt to analyze how they've molded the present and might shape the future.

1) Land was taken

Before the United States was born, European settlers killed millions of indigenous people across the Americas, but the fighting didn't stop after 1776. The Last Massacre, as the Battle of Kelley Creek in Nevada was known, unfolded in 1911.

Deemed "savages" who must be civilized, Native Americans were left out of the 14th Amendment, which grants birthright citizenship, until 1924. This came after more than three centuries of seizing land from tribes, some of whom had been on the continent since Before Christ.

The Indian Removal Act codified the relocation, regularly violent, of people from their homelands. While the Trail of Tears is the most famous of the forced migrations, state-sponsored violence against tribes was profound and persistent.

The so-called "termination policy," another attempt to assimilate Native Americans, wasn't abandoned until 1970. Legislative and judicial disputes over sovereignty continue today.

Recommended reading: California Gov. Peter Burnett's 1851 remarks on a "war of extermination," the Indian Appropriations Act of 1871 and "A Short History of Indian Law in the Supreme Court"

2) Slavery was the law

To subjugate people to chattel slavery or indentured servitude, the ruling class regards itself as superior to the enslaved.

The Constitution, that great founding document, was the original basis for slavery in the United States, dictating slaves were three-fifths of a person, that escaped slaves must be returned to their owners and forbidding any prohibition on slavery until 1808 (all of which, while long invalidated, remain in the Constitution.)

Add to that a litany of federal court rulings upholding slavery. The Slave Trade Act of 1794 banned participation in the international trade in humans, but slavery was not abolished until the 13th Amendment was passed in 1865. The amendment carried a caveat -- "except as a punishment for a crime" -- that resonates today in a country where Black and Hispanic inmates make up more than half of the populations in US prisons, and where incarcerated people are often required to perform labor for little or no compensation.

Recommended reading: "Slavery in the United States: Persons or Property?", "The Fugitive Slave Act of 1850: Symbolic Gesture or Rational Guarantee?" and "We Can't Be Free Until We Fully Abolish Slavery"

EnlightenedUFO:


No one is avoiding talking about CRT. What we are avoiding is the scenario when you guys start acting like the three monkeys, you close your eyes, close your ears and close your mouth when the facts starts hitting you. It has played out everytime on this board so we wonder why we should waste our precious time convincing an already made up mind who would never believe.
But i'll try my best not for you or other trump cultist, but for guests who would want to understand why some people don't think America was founded with a racist iron fist and why some people don't want Americans to really grapple with the racism and racists among them.

Maybe on any other issue. Maybe. But one CRT especially, Ben raised points about it but you avoided it. You debated him on other issues, sprinkling every sentence with the usual "cultist", "coon" and the likes but you engaged him on those. Every time he mentions anything about CRT, you all skip it.

He was the only one on the Right who went on about it so saying there was an agenda is false. At every point he mentions CRT, I have deliberately played the observer role because I expect one-one-one debates. You always avoid it.

You could have easily stated your thoughts on CRT but you didn't. I don't expect you would. We all know who starts the insults of cultists and the likes when you lose the plot.

Go ahead, debate CRT. Even if it's not with Ben but with anyone else. CRT has been one of the most topical issues in recent months in the news so it's only right to do so.

Maybe not for Ben but for people googling "Critical Race Theory".

3) Interracial marriage was banned

There's little more supremacist than outlawing the "mixing of races" to maintain the "purity" of one race. Before the United States was founded, Maryland not only banned unions between White and Black people, the colony ordered servitude for any woman engaged in such activity, as well as children born of such unions.

Several states enacted anti-miscegenation laws after 1776 and reenacted them after Reconstruction. There were at least three attempts to add a miscegenation ban to the US Constitution, the last introduced by Sen. Coleman Blease in 1928.

By the time the Supreme Court's 1967 Loving v. Virginia ruling authorized interracial marriages, most states had nixed the laws. A few (mostly Southern) holdouts remained with no legal backing. South Carolina did not officially repeal the law from its constitution until 1998. Alabama overturned its interracial marriage ban in 2000, and state lawmakers will meet next year to, possibly, remove racist language on that subject and others from its constitution.

Recommended reading: Pace v. Alabama, a 1986 report on the "long, cruel history" of America's "last taboo" and scholar Allison Skinner's 2016 report on the "hidden bias against interracial couples"

An 1864 satirical cartoon illustrates a 'miscegenation ball' at President Abraham Lincoln's campaign club.

4) Voting was restricted

After fighting a war for their tenuous freedom, African American men became citizens with the 14th Amendment, but they were routinely turned away from polls, prompting Congress to enact the 15th Amendment, allowing them to vote.

It had limited effect as states employed literacy tests, "good character" vouchers, poll taxes and more odious tactics to keep Black men out of ballot boxes. While women were granted the right to vote with the 19th Amendment in 1920, many Black women didn't see that right realized until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 banned various forms of disenfranchisement.

The Supreme Court pulled teeth from the act in 2013. Congress has yet to decide whether to enact new federal safeguards for voters. After last year's presidential election saw the highest turnout in history, lawmakers in several states have aimed to restrict voting.

Recommended reading: The fight to vote in one of Georgia's Blackest counties, "What a Colored Man Should Do to Vote" and Shelby County v. Holder

DissTroy:


Maybe on any other issue. Maybe. But one CRT especially, Ben raised points about it but you avoided it. You debated him on other issues, sprinkling every sentence with the usual "cultist", "coon" and the likes but you engaged him on those. Every time he mentions anything about CRT, you all skip it.

He was the only one on the Right who went on about it so saying there was an agenda is false. At every point he mentions CRT, I have deliberately played the observer role because I expect one-one-one debates. You always avoid it.

You could have easily stated your thoughts on CRT but you didn't. I don't expect you would. We all know who starts the insults of cultists and the likes when you lose the plot.

Go ahead, debate CRT. Even if it's not with Ben but with anyone else. CRT has been one of the most topical issues in recent months in the news so it's only right to do so.

Maybe not for Ben but for people googling "Critical Race Theory".

ben was asking much-ado-about-nothing faux outrage questions. Questions borne out of fear instead of reckoning. Millions of white men, white liberal men and women even some republicans, independents see no fuss in letting people know about America's racist history. It is purely educational.

7 more points to go in the CRT discussion, buckle up.

obixcel:
Herd of ugly morons, that's ANTIFA

I mean antifascism

EnlightenedUFO:
7 more points to go in the CRT discussion, buckle up.

See, we could all post 1000 words we copied from different sites to support our positions. The point is to debate the issues. When you are done listing the talking points of CRT anyone can google, then we can debate each of the points you have pasted. I'm sure it'd make for an interesting debate - slavery, property ownership and the likes, and the validity of those claims in the 21 Century.

We'd debate when you are done listing the talking points.

EnlightenedUFO:
1) Land was taken

Before the United States was born, European settlers killed millions of indigenous people across the Americas, but the fighting didn't stop after 1776. The Last Massacre, as the Battle of Kelley Creek in Nevada was known, unfolded in 1911.

Deemed "savages" who must be civilized, Native Americans were left out of the 14th Amendment, which grants birthright citizenship, until 1924. This came after more than three centuries of seizing land from tribes, some of whom had been on the continent since Before Christ.

The Indian Removal Act codified the relocation, regularly violent, of people from their homelands. While the Trail of Tears is the most famous of the forced migrations, state-sponsored violence against tribes was profound and persistent.

The so-called "termination policy," another attempt to assimilate Native Americans, wasn't abandoned until 1970. Legislative and judicial disputes over sovereignty continue today.

Recommended reading: California Gov. Peter Burnett's 1851 remarks on a "war of extermination," the Indian Appropriations Act of 1871 and "A Short History of Indian Law in the Supreme Court"

Why should people (especially the far right) be outraged on topics that intend to teach people true and undiluted history? Going through this post, I felt I was reading about Canada and Aboriginal relations. Infact, you can't pass the citizenship test without an extensive knowledge of how the aboriginals were badly treated and the current reconciliation efforts to correct the wrongs.

Tdotbluejays:

Why would people even be outaraged on topics that intend to teach people true and undiluted history. Going through this, i would have thought I was reading about Canada and Aboriginal relations. Infact, you can't pass your citizenship test without an extensive knowledge of how the aboriginals were badly treated and the current reconciliation efforts to correct the wrongs.

I like how you ignored the obvious that Critical Race Theory is a postulation of blacks and focuses issues which supposedly affect blacks. Dragging the issues of other races into it is deliberately muddying the waters.

The issue is CRT and what is embodies and the validity in the present age. Beating around the bush or roping other issues into it is playing to the gallery.
Obrigardo should done listing the points first. I like the topic.

Livelystone01:

Bros, I try to be silent whenever I scoop out time to be here, even though I read comments but I need to call your little bias to light about the CRT. (I have my reservations about it though but I have never made any comment on it until understand the whole issue)

You see your comment I highlighted in block letters, it was a bullet from a smoking gun you pointed at yourself and other GOP supporters here.

Before now, you people claim that one of the reasons the Democratic party is fighting for the blacks is because the party is using them to further their evil agenda. That the party need the blacks in order to carryout their aim of winning elections and that the blacks are being controlled by their narratives.

Now, if the whites in the Democratic party are using the black to further their agenda, isnt that the same as only supporting the blacks because they will gain from it?

Isn't that the same with your highlighted quote above?

Make I hibernate again.�

Its nice you brought up this argument the way you did. Others will be shouting coon, kkk bla bla bla without saying any tangible thing.

Race and racism are “materially deterministic,” that is to say, race and racism advantage the dominant group and therefore any racial advancement or racial equity measure will only occur if it benefits the dominant group (in the case of the U.S., white Americans).

AND YOU THINK IT MAKES SENSE?
YOU REALLY THINK ANYTHING THAT BENEFITS BLACKS ONLY OCCURS BECAUSE IT IS IN THE INTEREST OF WHITES AND TO KEEP THEM IN POWER(DOMINANT) ?

In life, there are people who use people, sometimes they do something for you because it benefits them but THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. Critical race theory has made it to always be the case which is why I said it's stupid.

Let's say democrats(white) promise minority free cash($300) every month. According to Crt it's racist because this advancement only occurs because it benefits the dominant group. But the same people making this argument will turn around and call Republicans racist for telling the blacks to pull themselves up. At the end if whites do anything for blacks it's racist and if they don't do its racist. No matter what they do its racist.

Now the CRT itself is being pushed by democrats, in their school which is part of the systemic structure CRT says is used to keep black people down. If white teachers are pushing it, the systemic structure put in place are use to push it, is it not the case that critical race theory itself is used to keep the dominant race dominant? Because what you and I are discussing is about

any racial advancement or racial equity measure will only occur if it benefits the dominant group

EnlightenedUFO:


The reason i decided not to engage with you is that you sound so foolish most of the time. I give you links, you act like the three monkeys and call it fake. You never critically look into it and admit i might be onto something. Didn't i drop a link for you and basiloco to understand the history of the ku klux klan in the 1920's and how they permeated the republican party and opposed the Catholic democratic party of those years? Did i not clear the falsehoods you guys were spreading?

Please stop talking rubbish, and i will clear your doubts about Critical race theory and you tell me at the end if people should not learn about America's racist past or not. I've read it all ,digested it and i've seen the truth of it all, so do well to read, research and open your eyes black man, and stop this apologia.

When you always sound hostile like you are in a death match when you could be more calm and try to discuss.

You keep shouting you will make me look stupid but never touched what I talked about. I could post links here but I want to keep the focus here.

I asked you a simple question and you refuse to answer it.

DissTroy:


I like how you ignored the obvious that Critical Race Theory is a postulation of blacks and focuses issues which supposedly affect blacks. Dragging the issues of other races into it is deliberately muddying the waters.

The issue is CRT and what is embodies and the validity in the present age. Beating around the bush or roping other issues into it is playing to the gallery.
Obrigardo should done listing the points first. I like the topic.

Its funny how they think critical race is about history some are linking it to slavery and other are linking it to the civil war but all the premise of CRT does not talk about slavery or the civil war instead its about Institutional racism, systemic structure put in place by the dominant group keeping other groups from reaching their full potential

benalvino3:


Its funny how they think critical race is about history some are linking it to slavery and other are linking it to the civil war but all the premise of CRT does not talk about slavery or the civil war instead its about Institutional racism, systemic structure put in place by the dominant group keeping other groups from reaching their full potential

Dude is mentioning issues like seizing lands from Native Americans. Critical Race Theory never mentioned that. It takes on supposed issues faced by blacks in RECENT TIMES.

Mentioning slavery is quoting history. Next he'd accuse you of denying slavery happened then tag you a cultist. He mentioned he has 7 more points to paste about CRT. He should then debate without insults.

Just don't follow up on the insults. He wants to debate it. There's no backing down now. I am game too. It's an issue which is clear cut and not about speculations.

DissTroy:


Dude is mentioning issues like seizing lands from Native Americans. Critical Race Theory never mentioned that. It takes on supposed issues of faced by the blacks in RECENT TIMES.

Mentioning slavery is quoting history. Next he'd accuse you of denying slavery happened then tag you a cultists. He mentioned he has 7 more points to paste about CRT. He should then debate without insults.

Just don't follow up on the insults. He wants to debate it. There's no backing down now. I am game too. It's an issue which is clear cut and not about speculations.

All of them have this problem of arguing from ignorance. He is even copying and pasting from one of those site that teaches him how to think

That's why he can't respond to me. If he can't Google a rebuttal out of what I said then he will say he will not engage me because coon, kkk and all kinds of jagons

I have said it before and will say it again, that Biden is in bed with China and will do nothing to sanction or hold them to account with regards to the recent hacking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj2iOeYW5pU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwe4dXBqBaQ

What CRT believe?
that racism is ordinary, normal science, the usual way society does business, the common, everyday experience of most people of color in this country.

Second, most would agree that our system of white-over-color ascendancy serves important purposes, both psychic and material. The first feature, ordinariness, means that racism is difficult to cure or address. … The second feature, sometimes called “interest convergence” or material determinism, adds a further dimension. Because racism advances the interests of both white elites (materially) and working-class people (psychically), large segments of society have little incentive to eradicate it.

SO ACCORDING TO CRT OBAMA IS A RACIST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcokOvvioA8
Who is to blame? The Officer that punched the lady? Or the Lady that assaulted the Officer by biting his hands?

obixcel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcokOvvioA8
Who is to blame? The Officer that punched the lady? Or the Lady that assaulted the Officer by biting his hands?

This has been on YouTube for some days. She tried to bite him.

DissTroy:


It's spreading to Nigeria. Bobrisky is reportedly doing vlogs telling women how to be feminine and how they can keep men. He's already bragging to some women he's more of a woman that they'd ever be.

He's getting endorsement and roles that should characteristically go to women and him telling them they are ugly, and he's prettier than them.

The very women who use to defend trans/queer rights are losing their positions to coward males masquerading as females. Men are now bossing women in women sports and these women are scared to speak up for fear of the phobic tag and being cancelled.

They have to force themselves to agree with rational folks who are against queers even though passively.

In fact, from now on, anytime I am on this thread, I identify as Sèun Osewa. My 'pronouns' are owner/supermoderator after all, we can identify as anything.

Also, I self-identity as Elon Musk. Let's all be silly.

Its you believe science when some cabal can make money. When its to split the society, feelings matter more than science.
Jeff Bezos now identifies as an astronaut since he has been been to space and videotaped the earths curvature.
Jeffrey Preston Bezos is an American business magnate, media proprietor, investor, and commercial astronaut. Bezos is the founder and executive chairman of .
I thought an astronaut was a scientist not a humongously wealthy entrepreneur.


The Olympics are around. Laurrel Hubbard born a man who failed to beat men in weightlifting identified as a woman, reduced his testosterone and is representing New Zealand women weightlifting team. May he smash all records, feminists will be granted a new dose of reality

EnlightenedUFO:
7 more points to go in the CRT discussion, buckle up.

It was other day I explained to Ben why culture appropriation was a thing for black Americans, he still insisted whatever they think isn't valid, what gives then?

I have learnt to avoid bad faith arguments, can't be typing when people have predetermined opinions already

You look at police brutality in America, who does it affect most? who defends police most? if roles are reverse do you think something won't be done?

Take out black or white from CRT, it's a thing from people in majority everyway to perpetuate their interests against that of the minorities, it happens alot in different places not even about color, maybe when they say white people quickly get defensive.

sanpipita:


It was other day I explained to Ben why culture appropriation was a thing for black Americans, he still insisted whatever they think isn't valid, what gives then?

I have learnt to avoid bad faith arguments, can't be typing when people have predetermined opinions already

I don't think you explained anything to me. My point is if a white man like agbadah, it means he likes Nigerian culture and no one should fault him or call him racist for wanting to wear agbadah. We should be happy our culture attracts others. There are reasons tourists by souvenirs.

DissTroy:

There's only one way to paraphrase Critical Race theory - Selective victimhood.
Wanting to view everything through the lens of racial prejudice predisposes impressionable black kids to always seeing a glass ceiling and not taking responsibility for their actions.

Boogeyman logic. The sort that feels the world is out to get you. And its usually made of straw, and not glass.

It's in your "view everything" and your "predisposes impressionable black kids". Your error, I mean. Most don't view "everything" in any one particular view for starts, and black kids are not "predisposed" nor are they any more impressionable than kids of any colour.

One more thing. I have not yet come across anyone here complain that white people stopped them achieving what they have achieved; point it out to me when you do find, I would really love to read it.

You can only comment on American politics if you live in America
Or you support the Democratic party

Otherwise you are suffering, a coon, on 30K salary with no electricity but when you support the Democrats all these dont apply to you

raumdeuter:
You can only comment on American politics if you live in America
Or you support the Democratic party

Otherwise you are suffering, a coon, on 30K salary with no electricity but when you support the Democrats all these dont apply to you

The one that makes me laugh the most is when he just finished smoking is meth and shout "GHANA IS DEPORTING NIGERIANS" laugh wey I laugh. I don't know what that means.

budaatum:


One more thing. I have not yet come across anyone here complain that white people stopped them achieving what they have achieved; point it out to me when you do find, I would really love to read it.

Exactly! You are corroborating my assertion!

Why is why Critical Race Theory is premised on absurd exaggerations. It blames racism (institutional mostly) as the culprit to be hanged for the failings of the black person.
CRT postulates that as a black person you'd be prejudiced at every turned based solely on your skin colour when the reality lays to waste the validity or truism of that assertion.