rottennaija:

We are talking about president Putin, no plate. Do you have any evidence that these persecution were instigated by the church?

Of course!
Let me enlighten you about politics!

The leader of any community, state or country is supposed to be the father of all the citizens.
So he has no reason to hold grudges against any group of people under his domain as long as they're peaceloving and obedient to civil rules.
The one and only reason a leader can start attacking any group is if they're becoming a threat to his position.
Now the Russian orthodox Churches wants the churches that are preaching against their position out of the way just as the Pharisees wanted Jesus out of the way.
So even if Putin don't have any issues with JWs he must dance to the tune of the Orthodox Churches who will support him during his next campaign and also compel their members to vote for him. Of course you and i know for sure that JWs are of no use to Putin in all these so it costs him nothing to deal ruthlessly with the JWs if the need be!

Regie2bless:
we dont take blood or eat it as food because is a thing detestable by Jehovah God, Jehovah witnesses are opened to other medical advances, but not taking of blood.

Jehovah detest potatoes but you comot the starch inside the potatoes wey Jehovah detest.

E clear?

achorladey:


Even in theocracy,your leaders will play politics

Let me add to the above, whenever there are POSITIONS to be filled in an organisation or establishment, there will be POLITICS.

Nice response you have there.

"Is it even possible for a society to survive without politics?"

There's politics in becoming one of the 8 men in New York...

When they want to deceive people they will start to quote Bible and miss apply it.

MaxInDHouse:





Please the bolded!
Can you tell me how fellow believers in Christ will not kill themselves during political struggles?
And does the scriptures support such in the midst of Christians? John 13:34-35

A true believer would in the first instance understand that politics should not be an unhealthy competition hence he wouldn't even get involved to the extent of struggling negatively in it. And pray tell me any human endeavor that can't and doesn't have the capacity to degenerate into deadly rivalry.

Your citation of John 13: 34 - 35 doesn't prove that Jesus was against participation in earthly government or politics. His avoidance was simply because it would forestall his salvation project of dying on the cross. Now, do all Christians equally have to die on the cross to save the world?

Secondly, just before Jesus was taken back to heaven his disciples asked him when God would fulfill his promise of restoring their earthly government to them as a country. By that the disciples demonstrated interest in how they were being politically governed. They obviously wanted an end to the extant Roman imperialism. But did Jesus rebuke them for being interested in earthly governance of their country. A big no. Rather Jesus reaffirmed the promise and reassured them of its fulfilment in due time.
In Romans 16:23 Paul transmitted calvary greetings from Erastus a political office holder in the Government of Rome.... meaning that Paul recognized a politician as a worthy member of the church.

30naira:


I think you are getting it twisted. If someone chooses to die rather than accept blood transfusion, I think that is a choice they made. People have the right to such choices. The person wasn't denied right to life, the person chose to die instead. You are responsible for your religious belief, and have the right to such, as long as those beliefs are not a threat to another person.
If someone thinks taking blood is bad, they can choose not to, as long as that belief is not imposed on another person.

What is the freedom of choice in accepting blood transfusion which a religious organization based on CONSCIENCE and the same religious organizations kick any of it members or penalised them for acting on their conscience to do so?

MaxInDHouse:

Of course!
Let me enlighten you about politics!

The leader of any community, state or country is supposed to be the father of all the citizens.
So he has no reason to hold grudges against any group of people under his domain as long as they're peaceloving and obedient to civil rules.
The one and only reason a leader can start attacking any group is if they're becoming a threat to his position.
Now the Russian orthodox Churches wants the churches that are preaching against their position out of the way just as the Pharisees wanted Jesus out of the way.
So even if Putin don't have any issues with JWs he must dance to the tune of the Orthodox Churches who will support him during his next campaign and also compel their members to vote for him. Of course you and i know for sure that JWs are of no use to Putin in all these so it costs him nothing to deal ruthlessly with the JWs if the need be!

So you have no evidence but just this contraptions you crop up? I asked for evidence not hearsay or conspiracies.

worlexy:

Where in the scriptures did Jehovah say you should not receive blood transfusion?

I can only hope you get a response. As in word for word as you place that question

rottennaija:


JWs are not hated as much as they hate other religion. Don't deceive yourself.

Na lie
There is a difference between hatred and disassociation.
You don't hate cultists and yahoo Boys, right? But you can't associate with them.
Attend one of their services first and see the difference.
Just one service.

Trustedpronet:


What can you say about been in the world yet not part of the world?

The world as used in the bible means participation in sin against God. It doesn't mean you should isolate yourself from the affairs of men completely.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=104091875]
Of course!
Let me enlighten you about politics!

The leader of any community, state or country is supposed to be the father of all the citizens.
So he has no reason to hold grudges against any group of people under his domain as long as they're peaceloving and obedient to civil rules.
The one and only reason a leader can start attacking any group is if they're becoming a threat to his position.
Now the Russian orthodox Churches wants the churches that are preaching against their position out of the way just as the Pharisees wanted Jesus out of the way.
So even if Putin don't have any issues with JWs he must dance to the tune of the Orthodox Churches who will support him during his next campaign and also compel their members to vote for him. Of course you and i know for sure that JWs are of no use to Putin in all these so it costs him nothing to deal ruthlessly with the JWs if the need be! [/quote


"The leader of any community, state or country is supposed to be the father of all the citizens."

Max how about the leader of any organization is supposed to be the father of all the members

Why then do the GB disfellowship some of the members?

rottennaija:

Super impositions. But no problem. So the Holy spirit who sent Philip to him couldn't tell him all those things, but had to wait till after baptism before? Let me ask you, would the eunuch be baptised as a jw today if he had not resigned from his position?

The settings totally differs!

Remember that the eunuch already beleive in the coming Messiah whose orders and instructions he mustn't dispute {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} the only problem he had was not knowing this person all the prophets were pointing to {Act 8:34} so once he asked for baptism {Act 8:36} there's no reason delaying his baptism because he already knows what to do once he's able to identify the Messiah!

But most people today don't even know what exactly is the significance of Jesus Christ so they need to know this first and it's their response to Jesus' Commandments that will show they're ready for baptism.

Please the setting totally differs!

Mechejy:
Jehovah’s Witness is a religion that behaves as if they recognized the lordship of Jesus Christ but in actuality have the spirit of anti christ. A jehova witness member can fight you, have a girlfriend or boy friend and still goes on their so called evangelism. They can tell lies at will and drinks a lot. They don’t know what is called holiness and righteousness. They believe in do me I do you God no go vex. I have my uncle as an elder their since 1970. Uptill date my uncle fights and if you remind him of what he did he replies and tell you that you are not jehova to judge him. Our landlord vowed that since 1990 no member of this sect would ever live in his house. They can bear enemity as long as you want it.

worlexy:
Many people have died from the extremist’s view of Jehovah witness that their members should not receive blood transfusion because of the twisted Bible verse that children of God should not drink the blood of animals like the occultists do.

How does drinking animal blood and receiving blood transfusion to save one’s life be interpreted as the same?

Jehovah witness should stop this extremism and allow people live.


Blood loss is the number killer of women during childbirth in this part of the world, and to reduce or stop death from blood loss is by blood transfusion which the teachings of JW stand against and this has been leading many into early grave.

It appears you are still living in the past. Please research on the use of blood transfusion alternate. By the time you are through, I am sure you will prefer it just like alot of people today.

In the developed world, these alternatives are in come use, unlike in Nigeria, where most of the medical practitioners are rigid on the use of blood alone.

Maximus85:


Be careful of their planned arguments. Na because na Nigeria. Other developed countries are now carrying out bloodless treatments because of the side effects and dangers of blood transfusion. here here in Nigeria, they are so so backward.

Fact check: How many Jehovah's Witnesses have died because they refused blood?

How many non Witnesses are dying even after taking the blood.

My experience: Nigerian doctors will treat you without blood. But if you are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, they won't even bother. That's the truth.

So since people sometimes die through surgical operations, then such method of treating ailments should be abandoned? Or that since aeroplanes do crash and kill hundreds of passengers on board air travel should be banned? Funny.

MaxInDHouse:


The settings totally differs!

Remember that the eunuch already beleive in the coming Messiah whose orders and instructions he mustn't dispute {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} the only problem he had was not knowing this person all the prophets were pointing to {Act 8:34} so once he asked for baptism {Act 8:36} there's no reason delaying his baptism because he already knows what to do once he's able to identify the Messiah!

But most people today don't even know what exactly is the significance of Jesus Christ so they need to know this first and it's their response to Jesus' Commandments that will show they're ready for baptism.

Please the setting totally differs!

I thought you are following the Bible and the example of first century Christian? And by the way, what example does the Bible set when it comes to baptism?

TemmyT002:


Na lie
There is a difference between hatred and disassociation.
You don't hate cultists and yahoo Boys, right? But you can't associate with them.
Attend one of their services first and see the difference.
Just one service.

It still doesn't dispute the fact that JWs hate other religion, does it?

mu2sa2:
But many Christians hate JW people - why? Putting is a Christian too.

All other Christian denominations are called LIE LIE CHRISTIANS in pidgin by these same people.

Do you know what that means to someone learning that from very tender age to adulthood?

There was no active politician holding any position in the first century, like today when i first met the JWs i never knew it will come to my resignation. But i so much love what i was learning more than anything in the world!
So it was during the study of a book "You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth" that i came to a portion where my conscience began disturbing me that i must make the decision.
I first ran away for many years but God kept me alive until i now came back fully prepared to forgo whatever it will cost me to become a member of this peaceloving group! Luke 18:18-23

Deadlytruth:
A true believer would in the first instance understand that politics should not be an unhealthy competition hence he wouldn't even get involved to the extent of struggling negatively in it. And pray tell me any human endeavor that can't and doesn't have the capacity to degenerate into deadly rivalry.

Your citation of John 13: 34 - 35 doesn't prove that Jesus was against participation in earthly government or politics. His avoidance was simply because it would forestall his salvation project of dying on the cross. Now, do all Christians equally have to die on the cross to save the world?

Secondly, just before Jesus was taken back to heaven his disciples asked him when God would fulfill his promise of restoring their earthly government to them as a country. By that the disciples demonstrated interest in how they were being politically governed. They obviously wanted an end to the extant Roman imperialism. But did Jesus rebuke them for being interested in earthly governance of their country. A big no. Rather Jesus reaffirmed the promise and reassured them of its fulfilment in due time.
In Romans 16:23 Paul transmitted calvary greetings from Erastus a political office holder in the Government of Rome.... meaning that Paul recognized a politician as a worthy member of the church.

worlexy:
Many people have died from the extremist’s view of Jehovah witness that their members should not receive blood transfusion because of the twisted Bible verse that children of God should not drink the blood of animals like the occultists do.

How does drinking animal blood and receiving blood transfusion to save one’s life be interpreted as the same?

Jehovah witness should stop this extremism and allow people live.


Blood loss is the number killer of women during childbirth in this part of the world, and to reduce or stop death from blood loss is by blood transfusion which the teachings of JW stand against and this has been leading many into early grave.

Read with understanding.

rottennaija:

I thought you are following the Bible and the example of first century Christian? And by the way, what example does the Bible set when it comes to baptism?

Compliance to all the rules both the ones Jesus taught and the ones the Holy Spirit later taught us!
So the more we are growing in Christ the more we are exposed to the things we must know before we vow to become one of Jesus' true disciples!

rottennaija:


Ethiopian Eunuch was what?

He/She is an old testament Christian

DappaD:


Weldone my brother.

Yes. It’s really shocking. People who have the highest regard for human life and are normally opposed to violence, who would not even ‘hurt a fly’ at it seems are put on par with terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda, Isis etc.

Surely, it doesn’t surprise us since our Lord and Master, Jesus Christ faced a similar situation. This man while on earth taught his disciples to always be peaceable with all sorts of men and not to retaliate when wronged. Matthew 5:9, 39

But imagine him being considered worse off than someone who was known as a robber, seditionist and a murderer ?
Surely that doesn’t make sense since this man was always opposed to violence. Matthew 26:52, John 18:11

Since that happened to our Master, we who are his slaves should not expect anything less to happen to us(Matthew 10:22-25, John 15:18-21) and in the end it proves that we are Jesus’ true disciples. Matthew 5:10-12



P.S. I do hope you’re enjoying the regional convention program my brother. I’ve already picked quite a number of points I’m going to steadily work on in the field ministry.

We are not slaves. There is a difference between being a follower and a slave. Slaves don’t have free will.

Emperorlanky:


Not yet time. Just wait a little while longer...Psalm 37:9, 10.

It's never time. There's always one excuse or the other.

Maximus85:


It is Jehovah. And the time for him to react is not now. Has Putin being able to stop Jehovah's Witnesses to stop serving their God? Nahhhh!

Story. Have some witnesses been killed? Yes. Still it's not time.....very convenient.

Jehova is non-existent.

rottennaija:

Super impositions. But no problem. So the Holy spirit who sent Philip to him couldn't tell him all those things, but had to wait till after baptism before? Let me ask you, would the eunuch be baptised as a jw today if he had not resigned from his position?

Rather than admit that indeed there were people holding political positions after Christ dead, he spin and try to and explain it away to cover the main point.

Cornelius even collect Holy spirit before baptism.

Maximus85:
Putin wants to be the next world power. But Jehovah's Witnesses according to the Bible are saying the present Anglo American world power will be the last word power in reference to that vision that Daniel saw.

So, the reason Putin hate Jehovah's Witnesses is so obvious.

This is funny. But it makes a lot of sense, although I don't think that's the reason sha

MaxInDHouse:
There was no active politician holding any position in the first century, like today when i first met the JWs i never knew it will come to my resignation. But i so much love what i was learning more than anything in the world!
So it was during the study of a book "You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth" that i came to a portion where my conscience began disturbing me that i must make the decision.
I first ran away for many years but God kept me alive until i now came back fully prepared to forgo whatever it will cost me to become a member of this peaceloving group! Luke 18:18-23

Then who was Erastus and what exactly is the status of a city treasurer as described in Romans 16'23? All religious organizations are peace loving. I don't know of any one that preaches the absence of peace from their pulpit.
The bible is your standard and not first century Christians who had their own sins. Wasn't the first century Christians Paul was referring to when he wrote a letter to the church in Corinth rebuking them for incestuous relationships among themselves? So are you suggesting you practice incest because first century Christians did it?

Minjim:




“I knew if I ever once compromised, I was gonna be in trouble,because if you can compromise once, you can compromise again.”
—Desmond Doss

A JW in U.S joined the Military as a combat medic, and even went to the war front.
He was twice awarded the Bronze Star Medal for actions in Guam and the Philippines. Doss further distinguished himself in the Battle of Okinawa by saving 75 men, becoming the only conscientious objector to receive the Medal of Honor for his actions during the war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss#:~:text=Desmond%20Thomas%20Doss%20(February%207,in%20Guam%20and%20the%20Philippines.

This Doss Desmond is not a JW but an Adventist. Don’t even forget that he refused to bear arms stocked to his non violent religious teachings! The Adventist too don’t join military

achorladey:


Rather than admit that indeed there were people holding political positions after Christ dead, he spin and try to and explain it away to cover the main point.

Cornelius even collect Holy spirit before baptism.

He is only deceiving himself. Of course, all of these is just so he can support loyally an untrue position set by his religion. But tomorrow, if the religions says otherwise, he turns around like a sheep taken to the slaughter and accepts it.

MaxInDHouse:


Compliance to all the rules both the ones Jesus taught and the ones the Holy Spirit later taught us!
So the more we are growing in Christ the more we are exposed to the things we must know before we vow to become one of Jesus' true disciples!

Do you know that growing in Christ means you are an anointed Christian?

KNOWMORE56:



"Is it even possible for a society to survive without politics?"

There's politics in becoming one of the 8 men in New York...

When they want to deceive people they will start to quote Bible and miss apply it.

Na so jare, it is said man is political by nature.

Abstention during voting process is part of politics paapaa because abstention equally affect the result of the voting process.

If your assumption is true, then most Jehovah's families would have lots of widowers whose wife died for not accepting blood transfusion. We place premium importance on life. Blood transfusion is costlier and we live healthier lives. Your assumption is very very wrong brother. We are 8 million and counting worldwide. The statistics speaks for itself. Just google which is more safer, blood transfusion or bloodless surgeries.

worlexy:
Many people have died from the extremist’s view of Jehovah witness that their members should not receive blood transfusion because of the twisted Bible verse that children of God should not drink the blood of animals like the occultists do.

How does drinking animal blood and receiving blood transfusion to save one’s life be interpreted as the same?

Jehovah witness should stop this extremism and allow people live.


Blood loss is the number killer of women during childbirth in this part of the world, and to reduce or stop death from blood loss is by blood transfusion which the teachings of JW stand against and this has been leading many into early grave.