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ThinkSmarter:
After thorough study and research in my quest to know the truth behind World Religions.

Anas09:
Thanks for coming. This guy is making some assertions here that needs responding to

MaxInDHouse:
I love the highlighted, so it's your own PERSONAL conclusion after your so called "thorough study and research"

Most of you just keep opening another account to get the attention of misinformed Churchgoers and that's smart though but your research is flawed. So if truthfully you want to make a (thorough) research, you need to be sure that your power of reasoning outsmart all other schools of thought otherwise it will ever remain your PERSONAL opinion!

shadeyinka:
Let me help you a little if you will think about it.
Science Focuses on the hardware made by the Creator:
Thus, subjects must be measurable, verifiable and repeatable.
Even then, you have wrong and right science
Religion Focuses on the Software written by the Creator:
Thus, subjects are subjective, personal and experiential
Even then, you have wrong and right religion

It is impossible to use the rule of science to judge the rules of religion and vice versa: a serious mistake!
Everything is not hardware at the same time everything is not software.

ThinkSmarter:
I didn't open any new account, check out the time this account has been existing.
I only have one nairaland account.
My first account with my name in the moniker have been deactivated.
It's truly my personal opinion and you can't honestly say you have outsmarted all the points I raised.
Can you?

ThinkSmarter:
I think U re making sense

HellVictorinho:
What do you think the universe is?


Do you think it has a creator??

If yes,why??

Do you think it's possible for nothing to exist before,after or alongside anything?


If yes,why??

MaxInDHouse:
You truly studied religion but not the truth about God.
Let's share what we both know.
First of all i must commend you for the boldness in speaking against nonsense and ingredients people regards as religion.
However God's own true worshipers hide under the umbrella of religion to operate freely otherwise the ruler of this world will not PERMIT them to operate.
Note the highlighted Permit is what each religion gets from the authorities before they're allowed to practice their religion. That's part of the veil Satan is using to blindfold people like you so when you see God's own people you will take them for granted and count them along with RELIGION!

But there is no single accusation out of all that you listed up there in which God's own people are guilty of.

You first mentioned the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob as a WARRIOR but failed to listen to His own side of the story!

So if you're willing i'll prove to you that He is not guilty as charged, i am Maximus one of His Witnesses!

ThinkSmarter:
Senior advocate of God indeed.
What/who is God?
Can you define God for me?

MaxInDHouse:
I love the highlighted, so it's your own PERSONAL conclusion after your so called "thorough study and research"

Most of you just keep opening another account to get the attention of misinformed Churchgoers and that's smart though but your research is flawed. So if truthfully you want to make a (thorough) research, you need to be sure that your power of reasoning outsmart all other schools of thought otherwise it will ever remain your PERSONAL opinion!

maximunimpact:
You better go on your knees and cry to Jesus the author and finisher our our faith

MaxInDHouse:
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Chai see Satan's handiworks o!

The topic of discussion on this thread:

"Could This Be True About Religion?"

The guy is trying to know what people claiming worshipers of God has upstairs (in their brains) about God, and all you can do on the thread is about Watchtower!
Never mind keep throwing what you had away some will collect it and add to their treasures! Matthew 25:29

The last time i told you that [b]you're totally empty there's nothing in your brains apart from what JWs [/b]impacted in your life. You said you wanted to preach your Jesus to me.
Now that the opportunity is opened for you to preach what you know about your Jesus you're quoting Watchtower on a thread where the OP really need to know what you've got to say about your God!
What a pity!

So where is the knowledge you've gotten from your so called Jesus? Now that someone truly needs to hear if there's any!



Shame on you and your fake God who has nothing to impact in your head except Politics! Politics!! Politics!!!
Your emptiness is crystal clear to all honest hearted and sincere individuals that you're totally empty without Watchtower!

MaxInDHouse:
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What a pity?

See the topic of discussion:

"Could This Be True About Religion?"

And see what is in your head yet you're saying the below when the person you're pestering never asked for it.



But when the person who needs to hear the words of your God came on board you're nowhere to be found rather your brains keep repeating what JWs said!
What a pity?

maximunimpact:

MaxInDHouse:
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What a pity?

See the topic of discussion:

"Could This Be True About Religion?"

And see what is in your head yet you're saying the below when the person you're pestering never asked for it.



But when the person who needs to hear the words of your God came on board you're nowhere to be found rather your brains keep repeating what JWs said!
What a pity?

But when the person who needs to hear the words of your God came on board you're nowhere to be found rather your brains keep repeating what JWs said! What a pity

achorladey:
But when the person who needs to hear the words of your God came on board you're nowhere to be found rather your brains keep repeating what JWs said! What a pity?
What I have seen you type and call those whom you request the words of their God from when they provide it, is for you to respond by calling such ones MAD, ASIERE, ASINWIN True/False?

ThinkSmarter:
i don't think the universe has a creator.
Because if u say there's a creator.
It will lead to another question: who created the creator and so on...
I think the universe happened by chance.
But the high intelligent and beauty being demonstrated by various plants and animal species baffles me.
The beauty of the morning sun, rain after days of dry weather, moon shining by the night, the complexity and brutality of the foodweb\foodchain.
In short, the creation is so amazing for an intelligent human to conclude that a genius/geniuses are behind them.
I don't blame people that believe that there is an intelligent creator.
But having a mental construct of a old man-like figure with grey hair living in space is idolatery.
God=nature=natural forces

HellVictorinho:
I only agree with you that the universe has no creator.

Every other thing in your post means nothing to me.

ThinkSmarter:
U can only agree with me when my opinion agrees with ur own intelligence and common sense, else u treat them as trash.

Hammyaladin:
I love your piece.. ALTHOUGH I'M A MUSLIM.


I have a question to ask. How do we curb immorality (Alcoholism, prostituting, drugs, crime, hatered) without involving religious??


Maybe God wants religion and science to exit. So one gives people hope while the other helps provide solutions to humanities problems.


And again I'd like to believe God is a compassionate and cool fellow. That Good humans can sit with and have a nice talk with. Just like our mothers.

I don't wan to believe his a tyrant... I just want to pacieve him a nice, homely fellow of love, intelligence any other Good adjective you can think off.

MaxInDHouse:
I love the highlighted, so it's your own PERSONAL conclusion after your so called "thorough study and research"

Most of you just keep opening another account to get the attention of misinformed Churchgoers and that's smart though but your research is flawed. So if truthfully you want to make a (thorough) research, you need to be sure that your power of reasoning outsmart all other schools of thought otherwise it will ever remain your PERSONAL opinion!

Myer:
Has religion curbed these vices though?
Even pastors and imams are guilty of them talkless of their followers

Every society has its laws to maintain order.
In fact some religions promote lawlessness viz hyper-grace Christians who do not even believe that sin exists anymore.

At the end of the day man has a need to believe in something especially when faced with challenges, hence the need for religion which explains why every society has it's own idea of God or gods.

HellVictorinho:
Must I agree with you on every issue

Hammyaladin:
Man has to believe in something!!!

ThinkSmarter:
After thorough study and research in my quest to know the truth behind World Religions.
I have come to this conclusions.
El (Elohim) or Yahweh is a Jewish god of war.
Exodus 15:3 stated categorically thus: Jehovah is a warrior.
What Yahweh is to Jews is what the god of the Sun is to Greece (GreekoRoman Empire)
One thing I discovered with the Hebrew god is that it's powerful, mysterious more than the other gods in Arabia.
And it is a very intolerant god and aggressive god.
In so many scenarios like the way it turned Lots wife to pillar of salt for minor disobedience, the way he killed Israelites at mount Sinai where it comes with flames, thick smoke and thundering clap for drawing closer to the mountain.
Almost synonymous to the Yoruba Sango god and Igbo Amadioha god in their use of thunder, thick smoke and lightening.
The way the Ark of the covenant killed anyone that gets in touch with it.
Less, I forget, many places around the world in the early and mid centuries went about building temples for their god, gods, goddess or goddesses.
From India to Pakistan to China to Assyria to Persia to Greece to Rome to Egypt to Africa, every where gods, temples.
Could Jewish god that is always jealous of other gods be an exceptional god, different from other pagan gods ?
Could other gods of other regions be all that powerful for the Hebrew god to be jealous?
No, if Baal is to be ineffective and just but a man made statue, why will the super God alleged to have created the universe and everything therein be jealous of his tiny creations earth molded image(sculpture)??
Reading through the book of Exodus, especially Exodus chapter 13 Yahweh's demands for 1st born human and animal sacrifice makes me think, could this be God the creator?
Do the Supreme God need human and animal sacrifices?.
Why do most pagan shrines and temples use incense, the way it is used in the temple of El, YWH, Yahweh or Jehovah?
The are many mysteries to be unravelled.
I have come to also realize that the story of creation recorded in the book of Genesis is nothing but Jewish mythology.
Read #Genesis 1:26 and #Genesis 2:7 and behold a contradictory statements.

Read #1Samuel 15:3 Now go, and strike down the A·malʹek·ites,d and devote them to destructione along with all that they have. You must not spare them; you are to put them to death,f man as well as woman, child as well as infant, bull as well as sheep, camel as well as donkey.’”
Could a god that orders the killing of innocent children, pregnant women, widows, old women, innocent animals and the disabled be the #God of the #Universe??
Imagine America coming to perpetrate this kind of crime against a country or region?.
What will be your reactions?
Is God portrayed as the most compassionate, most merciful in this scenario?
Is that not a partial god that favours only the jews?
Could Yahweh be an over glorified tribal god?
#ForYourConsideration.
It's high time we start to unlearn the craps deposited into our skulls by the stone age ,iron age and bronze age people.

The Bible is a well crafted religious literature with real historical records of war written by different authors over centuries.
And the events centered around present day Middle East and Europe and some parts of Africa.
The genealogy recorded in book of Genesis and in the book of Matthew never branched or took account of other races of humans like the Asia, India, West Indies, Europe and Africans
From Adam to Noah.
from Noah to Abraham
And from Abraham to Jesus Christ.
This history of a tribe representing that of the entire World creation story is not plausible.
But one thing is certain
Truth is tested with time.
It's obvious that the Israel god Yahweh that rides a chariot was powerful to the Israelites, originally the Canaanites.
The world major religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) (Abrahamic religions) have all stood the test of time.
And their Various teachings are so related.
What Jesus Christ is to Christians is what Shiva is to Hindu is what Saddhauta Gautama (Buddha) is to Buddhists is what Mohammed is to Moslems.
Though Shiva of Hindu is actually a god or deity that is very significant in Hinduism.
Jesus Christ, Prophet Mohammed, Buddha are very enlightened fellows and they all preached love and peace to humanity.

I know I am sounding controversial and weird to religious people
But the truth remains that I am standing on a neutral ground to decipher the truth behind World religions.
U can't quench my curiosity.
I knew that every religion faithful do uphold their own very religion as the best.
But the truth is that there is no better religion.
All religions came due to mankind quest to unite with the Forces behind the creations, the assumed god, gods and God.

#Peace and #Love
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charly20:
I think you've searched for reason the same way I am searching.

I understand that every religion is true to it's adherents and false to "outsiders". That means everyone is a pagan and everyone serves the "true God".

But what they all have in common is acknowledgement of a supreme being who is responsible for all of creation.

This is why I do not view the world through the lens of religion but by basic fundamental laws governing the universe which All these "gods" agree to Love of your fellow human and that's the only thing that makes sense.

The universe I believe is guided by basic laws; "what you sow is what you reap", "Do to others what you want done to you" and so many like quotes.

Our minds are caged a bit too tight by the concept of religion as we know it and I think life might be simpler if it is devoid of religious sentiments because religious belief is only cultural.

One love!

ThinkSmarter:
U only ended up attacking the questionaire and not the question?
Can't u defend those points raised?

ThinkSmarter:
WHY I COME TO LIKE SCIENCE BUT DETEST RELIGION.
I grew up in a rural settings where African traditional religion is practiced by many while some practiced Christianity and some both.
I earlier thought and assumed Christian Religion as the best religion.
And the Bible God to be really the Supreme God, the creator of all things.
Of a truth, Christian religion tried in inculcating good moral conducts among the faithfuls.
From Sunday school, to School Assembly Ground, to moral instructions to Church sermons to house to house preaching etc.
But after growing up and learning to read and understand on my own.
I took solemn in reading the Bible and upon doing that I stumbled upon some Bible passages that are seldomly read in the church because there are thought provoking.
This increased my curiosity and my search for the truth.
I started searching for the Quran until I got hold of one written in both Arabic and English language.
I downloaded and red so many articles And publications about the Bible, the Abrahamic religions etc.
I then realized that Religion in its entirety is a Belief system.
I realized that the concept of God the creator only lies within human imaginations.
And in Belief system, u don't have to prove anything within the boundaries of intelligence, rational, critical and logical thoughts.
Faith is Everything
In Religion, faith is of high esteem.
In Religion, u don't need to prove God using #rational #critical #logical and #objective thoughts.
U only got to #Believe through #faith shikena.
As a curious person, I wasn't comfortable with some answers I got from Religious teachers.
Some will misunderstood your curiosity to be an attack on their belief.
Most Religions were built on #superstitions, #mythology, #black magic, #dreams/visions, #personal inspiration/imagination, human invented traditions and customs etc
I personally think, humans evolved consciously, become more intelligent and confused at same time.
We thought, since we are here, animals are here, plants are here.
Something somewhere brought us here.
And we assumed what brought us here to be like an old man, full of wisdom with magical powers living up there in the sky.
Have u wondered why other animals apart from humans don't indulge in religion, this because of their low intelligence.
Our imagination is the cause of all technology and religion.
Technologies are our visible imaginations.
While Religion are our invisible imaginations.
Take a look at this : According to the Bible, pigeons, bulls, rams etc were offered to Yahweh as a sin and burnt offerings.
Imagine the CEO of Toyota demanding a particular brand of Toyota like Toyota 4Runner as a gift or sacrifice from his employees that offending him.
Also, the case of Jesus Christ as God's only begotten son (contradicting the true sons of God earlier recorded in Genesis 6) as an offering to appease God for the redemption of mankind.
This is like President Buhari giving out Yusuf, his only son for Nigerians to kill in order for him to forgive Nigerians for their actions against the President.
These are very illogical statements and should be treated as trash.
OK, let's assume Jesus Christ died so that we all have life and have it in abundance as they do make us to believe.
These assertions raises so many questions like:
Is there no poverty, cancer, kidney diseases,heart diseases, strokes, accidental deaths, natural disaster, killings, low life expectancy, high mother and child mortality rate etc among Christian population?
All these are universal and are not unique to one religion.
To Scientific minds that rose like philosophers, thinkers that broke the societal and cultural norms and threaded the path of logical, critical and rational thoughts in order to arrive at a very objective answer(s) to the cause of things.
Some of them suffered discrimination while many were exiled and killed for simply being rational and logical.
For simply refusing to conform with the superstitious and mythological things.
And here we are in the 21st century, where Science have provided answers to most pressing questions.
Brought cure to many diseases.
Many infants, animals, twins,adult humans, albinos have been killed to appease so many deities in the past just because of human ignorance.
The did all that cuz they assumed some natural phenomenon like earthquakes, volcano, tsunami, hurricanes, draught, epidemic, pandemic, twins, albinism, etc to be as the result of the gods being angry.
Have you wondered why human population have grown so rapidly towards the beginning of 20th century to date?
This is as a result of advancement in medicine.
Science is providing cures for so many diseases and is abating the mortality rate among children 0-5years due to immunization/vaccines.
About 90% of children born are now able to reach reproductive age.
For without Science, many cultures would have been living in abject ignorance and their population subjected to extreme law of natural selection.
Science choose the path of physical observation, theorizing, experimenting, re-experimenting before drawing unbiased conclusions which will be subjected to objective criticisms if the need arises.
Science accept their flaws and gives room for correction.
But religion hates to be corrected or Reformed.
To the fundamentalists and Extremists, it is a word or command of God /Allah, hence no questioning.
When u enquire about the purported heaven, paradise and hell, u will just be told to believe or else u will cast into hell when u dies.
some Religion won't even allow you to die naturally 1st and go to hell.
They will behead you instantly, so that you will go to hell instantly.
A times, I do think, why is it that the God that brought down the tower of Babel in the Bible doesn't bring down the rising towers , the aeroplanes, rockets that are exploring the universe.
Science have demystify so many superstition, mythology made up due to man's ignorance.
Note:If you don't understand Maths, you may not be good in logic and reasoning.
This is why Mathematics is made compulsory for courses like Engineering, Medicine and Surgery, Law, Computer science etc
Science will continue to relegate Religion to the background.
I have also thought why there is no much religious related terrorism in UAE and Saudi Arabia as compared to Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria Nigeria etc.
Then I realized maybe Saudis and Emirates are super rich and have most of the their wards schooling in the Overseas.
And sound and quality education is the best solution to Religion extremism.
Because, it's extremely difficult to brainwash someone with quality education.
Maybe that's why the Saudi Prince is making so many reforms.
For you can't expect the product of the likes of Ivy's, Havard's etc to continue implementing outdated, archaic and irrational beliefs in the name of being conservative.
Sorry to say this : I see some extremely religious people as psychopaths.
I personally think, if you choose to evolve with your brains, choose Science, else be stuck with the medieval philosophy that gave birth to so many mythological beliefs.
The choice is yours.

ThinkSmarter:
Come and view something you can counter on this thread

danielous:
I expected @Dtruthspeaker to counter you reasonably but na juz show off, nothing to counter with. And even @Anas09 the stage setter, nothing worthy.. tueh!