SmartPolician:
Well, I don't believe there's a pre-written contract anywhere without my consent..

Mobi47:
You said no amount of prayer can change anything? u are wrong bro...Your prayers can change your destiny for good.

Have we heared of the story of king Hezekiah before? Prophet Isaiah was sent by God, to go and meet king Hezekiah who was ill
and tell him that in quote "The LORD tells you that you are to put everything in order because you will not recover. Get ready to die."
This is what King Hezekiah did; Hezekia turned his face to the wall and prayed in quote " Remember, Lord, that I have served you faithfully and loyally, and that I have always tried to do what you wanted me to" And he began to cry bitterly.
Now this is the bomb!
The Lord commanded Prophet Izaiah to go back to King Hezekiah and say to him, " I the LORD the God of your ancestor David, have heared your prayer and seeen your tears; I will let you live 15 (fifteen years) longer. ISAIAH 38 VS 1-4

Every destiny is prone to change, except God has said its a must. Know and believe it today. Good day

SmartPolician:
Well, I don't believe there's a pre-written contract anywhere without my consent. My Bible tells me that God created me and gave me freewill, meaning that He has no rights to interfere in whatsoever way I decide to lead my life if I don't invite him.

As a Christian, I firmly believe that I can work hard and back it up with prayers to get the blessings of God and enjoy this life to the fullest. More often than not, what we believe in works in reality. I guess the preexisting contract narrative works for you, but I don't believe that one bit.

However, success doesn't entirely depend on God like many people have made us to erroneously believe. If you identify things that your society lacks and fill that gap, you will be extremely rich, whether you are a Christian or atheist. That's why there's a long list of rich people who are neither Christians nor Muslims.

SmartPolician:
Well, I don't believe there's a pre-written contract anywhere without my consent. My Bible tells me that God created me and gave me freewill, meaning that He has no rights to interfere in whatsoever way I decide to lead my life if I don't invite him.

As a Christian, I firmly believe that I can work hard and back it up with prayers to get the blessings of God and enjoy this life to the fullest. More often than not, what we believe in works in reality. I guess the preexisting contract narrative works for you, but I don't believe that one bit.

However, success doesn't entirely depend on God like many people have made us to erroneously believe. If you identify things that your society lacks and fill that gap, you will be extremely rich, whether you are a Christian or atheist. That's why there's a long list of rich people who are neither Christians nor Muslims.

ChizzyBuna:

This is what they call Exit points.
In each contracts, each soul has exit points.
What are Exit Points
This are certain times in our lifetime when we come close to death. But we don't die.
The soul while choosing it's life experience will mark some parts and moments of his experience as exit points. This period is also known as near death experience.
This is points are periods that eventually lead us into life changing situation.
Example of exit points are
Surving a ghastly accident.
Surving deadly cancer
And many more.
In the case of King hezikah him been told that he was going to die is an exit poibt that made him repent and change his ways.
Hezikah's soul knows that during his life on Earth he will be a king and go astray so in order to out him back on track his soul creates an exit point. This exit point is to out fear into the human which make the human reflect on their life and reconsider changing their lifestyle.
Because without exit oii ts the human will just destroy himself.
Exit points in our life are those horrible near death moments that change our lives forever.
Those periods when you taught it is finished or that doctor telling you you are going to die of cancer.
But you end up surviving the cancer and this makes you reflect on your life and consider changing what's wrong in your life.
The soul before entering the body creates this exit points in case when they go astray as humans by desire of flesh. This exit points will give them a fear of death which humbles them and bring them back to follow their contract

Mobi47:
so what was the exit point of Jesus Lolss. Go and study more on the gift of free will, granted to Man by God, then u will understand.

nevertheless, I understand ur topic but I think u didn't put ur explanations very well when u said prayer is a waste of time, which is not correct. The fact of the point and message u were trying to pass across is that success is not tied down to ones believe in God. Anyone can become a success or even a failure, whether they are Christians, Atheist or whatever, God has given us that ability to work and succeed, depending on how we use that.

Mobi47:
so what was the exit point of Jesus Lolss. Go and study more on the gift of free will, granted to Man by God, then u will understand.

Truvelisback:
Prayers is not a waste of time. Prayers av worked 4 me and i av seen prayers worked 4 others. I want to stress that prayers that brings tremendous result is hard. Yes, it's hard(fasting/dry fasting/fervent praying) and it's not 4 lazy christians. However, There are situations whereby God may allow certain things to happen at His own will(He is Sovereign). Remember this, God's love is equal but His grace isn't equal. The Bible says; I will av mercy on whom i will av mercy and i will av compassion on whom i will av compassion. For it's not of him that willeth or of him that runneth but it's the Lord that showeth mercy. There could be several reasons 4 her death. It's either her death was the will of God or the grace wasn't given to the prayer warriors to pray 4 her to get well.

headboyprince:

The O.P passed a good point across . he meant that prayers can't change one's destiny and also that our fate is largely out of our control.
what has been destined to happen will still? whether you do 1 million days dry fasting and prayers.

if you were born without limbs, can prayer change that?
if your destiny is to come from a poor background, can prayer change that?
if your destiny is to be short, fat and ugly, can prayer change that?


likewise if you were opportuned to choose your country of origin, would you choose Nigeria ?

if prayer and fasting was as effective as you people make it to be, Nigeria would have been one of the best countries on Earth, due to the numerous prayer warriors but instead it's one of the worst.

Just accept the fact, that life has a special destiny for everyone and we can do almost nothing to change it.

ChizzyBuna:

Since you don't know the difference between Freewill and Destiny.
Let me school you.
Destiny is higher than your Freewill.
If it's your destiny to die on Tuesday
Your have Freewill to go to the best Hospital in the world.
Yet no matter what all the best doctors do, you still die that Tuesday.
You have Freewill to say "NO" it won't happen to me. But that doesn't mean it won't happen.
Look at prophet Jonah

Jonah's destiny was to go to an island and preach to them.
Jonah use his Freewill and said "NO"
He decide not to go.
That is his Freewill, He has every right to say No

But no matter what Jonah did, no matter how much Freewill he applied.
At the end He was swallowed by a fish
And brought to that same island.
You can't run away from your destiny or contract.
Did his Freewill stop his destiny of going to that island from happening??
No!!
Because Destiny can be delayed but not denied.
You can use Freewill to delay your destiny but at the end you will still meet your destiny.
Destiny is your contract of events that must happen.

As for the Exit points
Like I said Not all souls have Exit points.
Just like not every human will have a near death experience.

ChizzyBuna:

I have seen men fast for days and days
Serious feverent praying for his sick mom.
She later died around 5am on a Saturday morning.
All his 1 and a half month fasting and serious prayers from top ministers didn't prevent his mom from dieing that month.
We say God, Let Thy will be done.
We don't say God, Let our own will be done

Mobi47:
wrong analogy bro. I know why u guys are saying this, you have probably given up on God and decide to live ur lives without God, but that is wrong. Prayer can change anything... I have seen people born blind and got back their site after being prayed for.

If it can why is Nigeria filled with killings, kidnapping, ritualism, hardship, poverty, despite all the numerous churches and christains praying everyday

ChizzyBuna:

This is what they call Exit points.
In each contracts, each soul has exit points.
What are Exit Points
This are certain times in our lifetime when we come close to death. But we don't die.
The soul while choosing it's life experience will mark some parts and moments of his experience as exit points. This period is also known as near death experience.
This is points are periods that eventually lead us into life changing situation.
Example of exit points are
Surving a ghastly accident.
Surving deadly cancer
And many more.
In the case of King hezikah him been told that he was going to die is an exit poibt that made him repent and change his ways.
Hezikah's soul knows that during his life on Earth he will be a king and go astray so in order to out him back on track his soul creates an exit point. This exit point is to out fear into the human which make the human reflect on their life and reconsider changing their lifestyle.
Because without exit oii ts the human will just destroy himself.
Exit points in our life are those horrible near death moments that change our lives forever.
Those periods when you taught it is finished or that doctor telling you you are going to die of cancer.
But you end up surviving the cancer and this makes you reflect on your life and consider changing what's wrong in your life.
The soul before entering the body creates this exit points in case when they go astray as humans by desire of flesh. This exit points will give them a fear of death which humbles them and bring them back to follow their contract

ChizzyBuna:

[s]You as a soul made the contract.
A soul has more insight into the future and knows why it Should go through certain situations in this life.
Because as a soul, they see the cause and effect of their decision.
Souls know why they choose those conditions to experience in life.
In order to perfectly carry out this contract without sabotaging it.
The soul once they enter Earth must forget about the contract.
This is known as spiritual amnesia
Because if you know about your contract on Earth you will do everything possible to not undergo such challenges because you are now human with flesh and desires which the soul does not have.
Our flesh and body craves desire the soul does not have a flesh so when they make decisions those decisions are not influenceed by the pleasures of the flesh.
But as humans our decision are influenced by the pleasures of the flesh. That is why in order for the contract to be fully carried out.
The flesh will be denied such knowledge of the contract to prevent the body from sabotaging the contract due to the influence and desires and pleasures of the body[/s].

ChizzyBuna:

You as a soul made the contract.
A soul has more insight into the future and knows why it Should go through certain situations in this life.
Because as a soul, they see the cause and effect of their decision.
Souls know why they choose those conditions to experience in life.
In order to perfectly carry out this contract without sabotaging it.
The soul once they enter Earth must forget about the contract.
This is known as spiritual amnesia
Because if you know about your contract on Earth you will do everything possible to not undergo such challenges because you are now human with flesh and desires which the soul does not have.
Our flesh and body craves desire the soul does not have a flesh so when they make decisions those decisions are not influenceed by the pleasures of the flesh.
But as humans our decision are influenced by the pleasures of the flesh. That is why in order for the contract to be fully carried out.
The flesh will be denied such knowledge of the contract to prevent the body from sabotaging the contract due to the influence and desires and pleasures of the body.

ChizzyBuna:
PRAYERS CAN NEVER CHANGE YOUR DESTINY
No Amount of prayer or positive thinking can change your contract or your destiny.

If you're destiny is to be successful it will happen
If you like pray or don't believe in God
Your destiny in this life is already written in a script called The contract.
I have seen prayer warriors pray for hours on this woman who ended up dying after the long prayers.
Did God not answer their loud cry and shouting and commanding?
No, because God cannot intervene with our contract or destiny.
God only honour what is in your contract.
If your contract is to die and depart Earth on so so day. No amount of prayer or miracle will prevent you from dying that day.
If your destiny is to suffer, no amount of prayer can prevent you from the hard challenges life will throw at you.
It's not life's fault.
The universe is only honoring what is written in your contract.
Why do people suffer
Life is yin and yang. Hot and cold, rich and poor good and evil
Life na turn by turn. Reincarnation gives the soul the previlege to see life from 2 different angles.

Each soul must chooses a side to experience in life.
A soul will learn so much about pain, betrayal,survival if they come into Earth to suffer. Once that journey ends
The soul will reincarnate back into Earth to experience affluence,wealth, enjoyment.
So every poor person you see on Earth is undergoing their own journey.
Once they die. They switch sides and reincarnate to experience life as rich person.
This is done to even out and balance the souls development.
Once a soul has experience both sides of life. This soul will be matured enough to move on from this 3rd dimension to the higher 4th dimension.

We should pray that God gives us strength to pass through whatever we agreed on our contract. That is what life throws at you.
That is why no matter how much money you invest in some people they still end up a failure. Business still ends badly. All those bad thing are what you agreed on to experience and from this hard experience it toughens you and shapes you. These things happen for a divine reason.
So instead if praying to change it
Confront your problem and challenge in life by telling God to give you STRENGTH to go through your contract.
Those who go through their tough contract and live it to the end will reincarnate and experience the other side of life of wealth.
Those who commit suicide instead of facing their challenges. Will relive that same challenging life again and again until they live it till the end. Then they can switch and experience the other side of life.
It's is a turn by turn rule of life
The ying and yang
The positive and negative
Those people you see as very lucky born into rich wealthy homes are souls who in previous life have experienced poverty suffering.