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Janosky:
PARACLETOS, Psalms 90:2, did your Bible confirm that BORN is CREATE?

Colossians 1:15 who is "BORN first before every creature?

Bros,Your heart is NOT willing to accept what your Bible says.

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Janosky:
Bros, did you see BORN @ Colossians 1:15 & Psalms 90:2?
Simple question

Bros, what is BORN @ Colossians 1:15 & Psalms 90:2?

Bros, Answer both questions joor, no stories.

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Janosky:
PARACLETOS, did you see "BORN" @ Psalms 90:2 & Colossians 1:15?

What is the meaning of BORN in Psalms 90:2 and Colossians 1:15?

Double wahala for Trinity GIBBERISH

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Your WatchTower has taught you well for equating "born" to "create" meaning that FIRST BORN = FIRST CREATE

LET'S ANALYSE IT
So we can rightly render
1. Colossians 1:18 thus: "...FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEATH..."

2. Revelation 1:5 thus: And from "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEAD..."

3. Isaiah 9:6 thus: "For unto us a child is CREATED...

4. Isaiah 7:14 thus: "... Behold a virgin shall conceive and CREATE A SON.... "

By that comparison of born to mean create; a woman could be conveniently said to have "create" a child instead of "born" a child

Jesus was the first to be "created" from the dead...

That's according to your lame and inconsistent comparison.

Since I responded to this false assumptious fallacy, none of them have the balls to confront me in foolish arguments again.

...Who still argues with thses false guys?

MaxInDHouse:
So where are your topics targeted at God's people on the forum?
You will come and go just like the others while God's people continue to shine no matter what you think, say or do! Act 5:35-39

Janosky:
PARACLETOS, Psalms 90:2, did your Bible confirm that BORN is CREATE?

Colossians 1:15 who is "BORN first before every creature?

Bros,Your heart is NOT willing to accept what your Bible says.

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Janosky:
Bros, did you see BORN @ Colossians 1:15 & Psalms 90:2?
Simple question

Bros, what is BORN @ Colossians 1:15 & Psalms 90:2?

Bros, Answer both questions joor, no stories.

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Janosky:
PARACLETOS, did you see "BORN" @ Psalms 90:2 & Colossians 1:15?

What is the meaning of BORN in Psalms 90:2 and Colossians 1:15?

Double wahala for Trinity GIBBERISH

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Your WatchTower has taught you well for equating "born" to "create" meaning that FIRST BORN = FIRST CREATE

LET'S ANALYSE IT
So we can rightly render
1. Colossians 1:18 thus: "...FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEATH..."

2. Revelation 1:5 thus: And from "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEAD..."

3. Isaiah 9:6 thus: "For unto us a child is CREATED...

4. Isaiah 7:14 thus: "... Behold a virgin shall conceive and CREATE A SON.... "

By that comparison of born to mean create; a woman could be conveniently said to have "create" a child instead of "born" a child

Jesus was the first to be "created" from the dead...

That's according to your lame and inconsistent comparison.

Since I responded to this false assumptious fallacy, none of them have the balls to confront me in foolish arguments again.

...Who still argues with thses false guys?

We are not out for arguments sake rather we are searching for the lost sheep of the house of Israel so that we can direct them to God's organization just as the lost sheep are directed to the flock.
So don't expect any JW to come wasting our precious time arguing fruitlessly when there are many out there seriously searching for Jesus' group!
Your topic is fading away go and bring it back to the front page. Your fellow antagonists are not interested in whatever you have to say against God's people rather it's what JWs will say that exites them!

PARACLETOS:
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Your WatchTower has taught you well for equating "born" to "create" meaning that FIRST BORN = FIRST CREATE

LET'S ANALYSE IT
So we can rightly render
1. Colossians 1:18 thus: "...FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEATH..."

2. Revelation 1:5 thus: And from "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEAD..."

3. Isaiah 9:6 thus: "For unto us a child is CREATED...

4. Isaiah 7:14 thus: "... Behold a virgin shall conceive and CREATE A SON.... "

By that comparison of born to mean create; a woman could be conveniently said to have "create" a child instead of "born" a child

Jesus was the first to be "created" from the dead...

That's according to your lame and inconsistent comparison.

Since I responded to this false assumptious fallacy, none of them have the balls to confront me in foolish arguments again.

...Who still argues with thses false guys?

MaxInDHouse:
So where are your topics targeted at God's people on the forum?
You will come and go just like the others while God's people continue to shine no matter what you think, say or do! Act 5:35-39

The holy one of God can't be a common angel

Jude said angel Michael did not slander devil when they meet rather called on the name of Jesus to rebuke Satan

OK nah!

Bishopkingsley:
The holy one of God can't be a common angel
Jude said angel Michael did not slander devil when they meet rather called on the name of Jesus to rebuke Satan

MaxInDHouse:
OK nah!

funny

Bishopkingsley:
The holy one of God can't be a common angel

Jude said angel Michael did not slander devil when they meet rather called on the name of Jesus to rebuke Satan

so the point JW use is that Jesus is coming with the voice of the archangel

MaxInDHouse:
So where are your topics targeted at God's people on the forum?
You will come and go just like the others while God's people continue to shine no matter what you think, say or do! Act 5:35-39

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Kingsnairaland:
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

JW are just running from the doctrine of salvation

Betscoreodds:
JW are just running from the doctrine of salvation

when you Pont at he Jesus that when salvation comes

Kingsnairaland:
when you Pont at he Jesus that when salvation comes

God told Moses made a bronze serpent and put on a tree any who looks at it will be cured

MaxInDHouse:
OK nah!

I saw your post where you combine me with betscoreodds

awitness41:
1 Thessalonians 4:16 (NKJV):
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

They're reading that wrong if they think it is Jesus' voice (or Jesus blowing a trumpet for that matter) on the Last Day.

They can also mis-read Matthew 24:31 too, if they don't discern properly.

Matthew 24:31 (NKJV): And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

On the Last Day, Christ is coming back with the "armies of Heaven" (Revelation 19:14), meaning ALL the Holy Angels (Matthew 25:31), which also includes high-ranking Archangels (like Michael, see Jude 9).

Now, let's ask: Who blows the trumpet when going into war - the King or His servants ? Obviously, the servants do.

So the "last trumpet" (1 Cor 15:52) on the day when Jesus Returns will be sounded by one of Jesus' servants who are with Him, that is, an Angel.

Therefore, we can also see that the "voice of an archangel" from 1 Thessalonians 4:16 isn't Jesus' own voice, but that of an Archangel who is with Him.

The shouting, the trumpet, and the voice of an Archangel will only be accompanying Jesus as He comes back.

If one reads the top two Verses again with this in mind, they will see it.

In fact, no one should attempt to "lower" Jesus to being an Angel or Archangel.

Besides Hebrews 1, and even BK's post above, we should ask - Who created the Angels ?

John 1:3 (NKJV): 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

God and Jesus created Angels.

That's why Hebrews 1 reminds us that even the Angels worship Jesus, in addition to God.

In my mind, it would actually be blasphemous to insist that Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel.

Some additional Verses on this topic:

Matthew 25:31 (NKJV):
When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (NKJV):
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Rev 10:5-7 (NKJV):
5 The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven
6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer,
7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Rev 11:15-18 (NKJV)
15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"
16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,
17 saying:
"We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
18
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

This post shows no place for Jesus been an angel

with the voice of an archangel,

Did not say the angel name

I hope you know that

Bishopkingsley:
Stop writing god
My God is written as God

He is the creator of all things that is how to define him every thing you can see he made them

So that is the evidence you need

Oh damn!!! You can't be serious

Judybash93:
Oh damn!!! You can't be serious

Ok tell me exactly what you believe in

Bishopkingsley:
Ok tell me exactly what you believe in

I am an atheist

Judybash93:
I am an atheist

That good because atheist
Means you believe there is no God

Which is actually a good thing
Because you still believe in some thing
Which is called (no God)

So there is no difference between me and you the only difference is I believe in some thing

While you believe in nothing

Now that nothing that you believe in gave you believe to believe in it, so in other words
You are still under the power of belief

The only question you ask yourself is why am I under the power of belief when I still believe in nothing

Bishopkingsley:
That good because atheist
Means you believe there is no God

Which is actually a good thing
Because you still believe in some thing
Which is called (no God)

So there is no difference between me and you the only difference is I believe in some thing

While you believe in nothing

Now that nothing that you believe in gave you believe to believe in it, so in other words
You are still under the power of belief

The only question you ask yourself is why am I under the power of belief when I still believe in nothing

You just misrepresented what atheistism stands for.
You said, "there's a god or other gods" and i my stand is i don't believe in your claim. The burden of proof is on you to prove to me that the god you proclaim exists. Can you call 'not collecting stamps' as a hobby?
What do you mean by I'm under the "power of belief" ? Atheism as i know doesn't proclaim that there's no god, it stands for the lack of belief in god or gods that people like you proclaim.

"While you believe in nothing"
This is utterly wrong. I believe in a lot of things as far as there's enough proof to support it.

Judybash93:
You just misrepresented what atheistism stands for.
You said, "there's a god or other gods" and i my stand is i don't believe in your claim. The burden of proof is on you to prove to me that the god you proclaim exists. Can you call 'not collecting stamps' as a hobby?
What do you mean by I'm under the "power of belief" ? Atheism as i know doesn't proclaim that there's no god, it stands for the lack of belief in god or gods that people like you proclaim.

"While you believe in nothing"
This is utterly wrong. I believe in a lot of things as far as there's enough proof to support it.

Understand me
You don't believe in God
Is the same as you believe in (no God)

Your beliefs is that there is no God

It as simple as 1234

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1 AA
Your WatchTower has taught you well for equating "born" to "create" meaning that FIRST BORN = FIRST CREATE

LET'S ANALYSE IT
So we can rightly render
1. Colossians 1:18 thus: "...FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEATH..."

2. Revelation 1:5 thus: And from "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEAD..."

3. Isaiah 9:6 thus: "For unto us a child is CREATED...

4. Isaiah 7:14 thus: "... Behold a virgin shall conceive and CREATE A SON.... "

By that comparison of born to mean create; a woman could be conveniently said to have "create" a child instead of "born" a child

Jesus was the first to be "created" from the dead...

That's according to your lame and inconsistent comparison.

Since I responded to this false assumptious fallacy, none of them have the balls to confront me in foolish arguments again.

...Who still argues with thses false guys?

Just calm down, I don't reside on Nairaland 24/7.
1 AA.
Bros, did the Watchtower write Psalms 90:2 & Colossians 1:15 in your Bible?
Your own Bible testify that your claim is FALSE!


Your no1 & 2, The questions are:
Did your own Bible say that Creation began from the dead/Death?

Did God create any being from the dead or death?

Bros, you TWIST Colossians 1:18 & Rev 1:5 to discredit the words of Psalms 90:2 & Colossians 1:15, yet you go claim you love the holy Scriptures.

Your no 3& 4, Bros, Isaiah 9:6 & Isaiah 7:14,do you agree that your parents CREATED you?
Why are you making a FALSE claim to discredit the holy Scriptures?

Did your Bible not call "BORN again" a New CREATURE?

You are foolishly arguing why born should mean create when your Bible says it does.

Bros, carry your GIBBERISH outta here.

Janosky:
Spiritual realm and earthly realm.
1 Corinthians 15:40,48.

Bishop go just dey form his own theory to mislead people.

Isaiah 43:13 - I Am The LORD "God" From Everlasting To Everlasting.

Psalm 145:13
Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And Your dominion endures throughout all generations.


In genesis God was somewhere (eternal/ everlasting kingdom) before he created heaven, heaven there in Bible means spiritual place
the heaven there refers to the spiritual realm and the earth there refers to the physical realm

Before the mountains were born
Or You gave birth to the earth and the (universe) world,
Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. Psalm 90:2

there are three realms

the everlasting realm
or also called eternal realm then

the spiritual realm and then

the physical realm

God has no beginning he has always been God what was recorded in Bible was the beginning of God's creation not the beginning of God the village of God is called everlasting realm or eternal realm......
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Next time read your Bible or ask questions about what you don't know Janosky.....

Bishopkingsley:
Isaiah 43:13 - I Am The LORD "God" From Everlasting To Everlasting.

Psalm 145:13
Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And Your dominion endures throughout all generations.


In genesis God was somewhere (eternal/ everlasting kingdom) before he created heaven, heaven there in Bible means spiritual place
the heaven there refers to the spiritual realm and the earth there refers to the physical realm

Before the mountains were born
Or You gave birth to the earth and the (universe) world,
Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. Psalm 90:2

there are three realms

the everlasting realm
or also called eternal realm then

the spiritual realm and then

the physical realm

God has no beginning he has always been God what was recorded in Bible was the beginning of God's creation not the beginning of God the village of God is called everlasting realm or eternal realm......
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Next time read your Bible or ask questions about what you don't know Janosky.....

There is NOTHING in your quote of the holy Scriptures to support your claim.

The spiritual realm is an eternal realm.
Bishop DECEIVING himself.

Bishopkingsley:
Understand me
You don't believe in God
Is the same as you believe in (no God)

Your beliefs is that there is no God

It as simple as 1234

How can i get this across to you sir?

'Not playing football' isn't a hobby
'not believing in something' isn't a believe system.
Prove that the god you proclaim exists and it'll be solved from there.
Never did i say "there is no god"

Janosky:
There is NOTHING in your quote of the holy Scriptures to support your claim.

The spiritual realm is an eternal realm.
Bishop DECEIVING himself.

You don't know Bible
ETERNAL is same as everlasting
But it not the same as spiritual heaven because God said he destroy even the heavens and create a new heaven

I don't know if it in your evil Bible too lol

Bishopkingsley:
You don't know Bible
ETERNAL is same as everlasting
But it not the same as spiritual heaven because God said he destroy even the heavens and create a new heaven

I don't know if it in your evil Bible too lol

What sin took place in heaven for God to destroy His throne where HE dwells?
You have a long long way to go

Janosky:
What sin took place in heaven for God to destroy His throne where HE dwells?
You have a long long way to go

God did not destroy his throne
God has not yet destroyed heaven
He said he will do it but not now it is after he destroys death and devil and all evil before he will create a new heaven and new earth

The father
The son
The holy spirit

HedwigesMaduro:
Let's make them ten while we're at it. Remember the book of Revelation mentioned the seven Spirits of God? Add that to the 3 you already have. I still don't get how people will read the bible, pick some nebulous texts from there and say there are 3 persons in One God.

https://www.nairaland.com/6625953/bible-proves-jesus-god

Come here let break it down

Holy spirit has many names through out the scriptures

One of his names is the seven spirits of God

Bishopkingsley:
https://www.nairaland.com/6625953/bible-proves-jesus-god

Come here let break it down

Holy spirit has many names through out the scriptures

One of his names is the seven spirits of God

Give me another mental gymnastics. The one you did there missed the point by a country mile.

HedwigesMaduro:
Give me another mental gymnastics. The one you did there missed the point by a country mile.

Now God is the father, God is the son God is the holy spirit

What hard in it

Bible shows man has body soul spirit

Bishopkingsley:
Now God is the father, God is the son God is the holy spirit

What hard in it

So in Revelation 3 Jesus Christ was referring to Himself when He said "...Temple of My God"? He has a God who is Himself? I don't know about your god, but my God is not an Author of confusion.