haddeylium:


If you question is if this particular verse support Trinity.
No! It does not!
Father, Son and Holyspirit were mentioned but it says nothing about them being co-equal, co-eternal , or equal in power.
As an ambassador, if I'm tasked to deliver a speech in a foreign country.
In my speech, I start by saying, "In the name of Our president, Our senate and Our house of representatives and even our beloved country. This is my message to you ...
That does not impliy that those aforementioned people are equal in power or authority or does it?

In the same way, to baptize in “the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit” would mean in recognition of the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit

Your explanation is poor

Barristter07:


The bible use the word " Saying " : to clarify the point. Coal and sticks don't talk



The same reason he is not part of those in heaven . Verse 3. I challenge you to prove otherwise

Now nah u and Bible go argue o. If e go let this oga rewrite Bible now now....e go just do am.

But no be wetin Bible talk now. See wetin your translation talk


Rev 5: 13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

Who dey lie now...u or your translation

DappaD:


Hmm. You asked a question which was answered and you’re still ranting?
Listen kid, you’re not the Author and Finisher of my faith so you can’t dictate how I’m going to answer questions.

See why I said the questions you ask are always non sequitur . Go and look up the meaning of that word. You’re hinging on Revelation 5:13 which says that all creature will bow down to the Lamb means that he is not also a creation? So when the all kings of the nations came to bow down to Solomon, did that imply that he is not a king himself? Psalm 72:11

It’s just a pity that your reasoning is flawed and you have no one to tell you.

NWT..........

Rev 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

If it was answered pls tell us the answer.

1. Why is Jesus not part of every creature.

2. Why is Jesus on the side of the creator receiving the same glory, honor, power, might, praise, worship and blessing given to Jehovah ?

Pls be defend your faith, tell us why ?

Barristter07:


Equality is no longer by nature ?


2 Pet 1:4

" by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises , so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature "

They wont be humans anymore when this promise is fulfilled, they would posses God's Divine nature. Equality in the book of freshboi88 . God and his creations are now equal right ?

Equality is by nature! "To partake" simply means to share in something, it does not say anything concerning the extent of the sharing
To become something you have to share in the full quality of that thing.
Peter was specific in verse 4 that it is his life(eternal life) and godliness that Christian partake in.

freshboi88:


NWT..........

Rev 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

If it was answered pls tell us the answer.

1. Why is Jesus not part of every creature.

2. Why is Jesus on the side of the creator receiving the same glory, honor, power, might, praise, worship and blessing given to Jehovah ?

Pls be defend your faith, tell us why ?

Their Satan father forgot to tell them to twist that part out or to add some things inside it

freshboi88:


NWT..........

Rev 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

If it was answered pls tell us the answer.

1. Why is Jesus not part of every creature.

2. Why is Jesus on the side of the creator receiving the same glory, honor, power, might, praise, worship and blessing given to Jehovah ?

Pls be defend your faith, tell us why ?

Their satanic father forgot to tell them to add to that part or to remove Jesus from there

MaxInDHouse:
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Nah wa o!
Even without seeing them face to face you're able to fish out Nairalanders having the same line of thought {John 17:20-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} that their GB get powerful jazz wey them take catch all of them get the same mind and able to speak in harmony! Mark 1:17

Well @ Proverbs 8:22-30 Jesus was speaking about JEHOVAH who was using him as a master worker, ordering him on what to do during those creative days, he just want us to know his origin that even though he's the master craftman who did all the job the real brains behind it all was the one issuing the orders not him acting on instructions!

This your explanations..., is it taken from the Word or from Watch Tower?

Because the Word reveals something like OF HIM, Jesus ( i.e His resources) FOR HIM ( He's the Owner of the things created):

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV:For OF HIM, and THROUGH HIM, and TO HIM, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Glory be to Jesus for ever and ever. Amen!

freshboi88:

You are arguing with yourself. What we want is answers from u
Rev 5 13-14
Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.
1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.
What you need to b telling us now is why are your elders teaching one thing Nd their Bible is saying another

Because as one of JEHOVAH'S Spirit sons archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) surrendered himself to come and redeem mankind {Daniel 12:1-3} after a successful earthly mission {John 19:30} JEHOVAH'S promoted Michael and gave him the authority to rule both in heaven and earth {Matthew 28:18} untill all creatures have been subjected to JEHOVAH but that doesn't mean that Jesus (Michael) is equal to JEHOVAH {1Corinthians 15:26-27} He still remains one of God's creation no matter his position that's why God's word referred to him (Jesus) as "the first born of all creation" {Colossians 1:15} nobody born JEHOVAH o!

So JEHOVAH is far far far greater than His Son in everything! John 14:28

The son of the President must received honor like his father but that doesn't mean he is equal to his father!

Barristter07:


This is the meaning of representation

an artistic likeness or image

Seth was called the exact representation of Adam remember ? Simple . Seth comes from him

That designation simply means God created him as his very own likeness.

The bible is not wrong to call Seth the exact representation of Adam being. Because he represents Adam being in every detail. In terms of their humanity.

A cat or a dog cannot be the exact representation of a man. Even doh a dog can have certain abilities that a man can do.

You stylishly gave me the meaning of representation. Dude not smart enough.

Exact representation: Exact means correct in every detail. For example, an exact copy is the same in every detail as the thing it is copied from.

Now where is what your Bible says about Jesus .
NWT

Heb 1: 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory+ and the exact representation of his very being,+ and he sustains all things by the word of his power.

Question

How can a finite creature be the exact representation ( same in every detail) of the very being of an infinite, unlimited being ?

DappaD:
According to you, my response is weak yet you couldn’t counter any of the points, instead you had to repeat the questions like a broken record? The questions have been sufficiently answered. All you have to do is bring up a rebuttal. Helloooo, that’s how debates work if you haven’t noticed. It’s also obvious that clear reasoning doesn’t work on you so why bother myself any longer.

You are arguing with yourself and your Bible (the new world translation). What we want is answers from u

Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture

Janosky:


John 5:19 Jesus Christ says he copies from
God his Father.
John 5:19,Jesus has acknowledged his inferior status before his Father.

Therefore, your question ought to be:

"What can God his Father do, which Jesus can not do?"
Mark 10:40
"But I have no right to say who will sit on my right or my left. God has prepared those places for the ones he has chosen"

Matthew 24:36 & Mark 10:40, can Jesus do everything his Father does?
How many times did God his Father die?
When did Jesus die?
FALSE claim
Bros,next time commence your quote from verse 22 & end at 30
You want to dodge something (read the Screenshot of Proverbs 8:22).
"HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."
Proverbs 8:22 &1 Corinthians 1:24, who is "Wisdom"?
Colossians 1:15, who is first born?

"..."HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."

Ok. To me now...

Watch Tower: only Jesus is what the Father used His hand to create; all other things were then created by/through Jesus...

Janosky : the Father created other things... Proverbs 8:26-28

You and the 8 men have a talk to settle...

MaxInDHouse:


Because as one of JEHOVAH'S Spirit sons archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) surrendered himself to come and redeem mankind {Daniel 12:1-3} after a successful earthly mission {John 19:30} JEHOVAH'S promoted Michael and gave him the authority to rule both in heaven and earth {Matthew 28:18} untill all creatures have been subjected to JEHOVAH but that doesn't mean that Jesus (Michael) is equal to JEHOVAH {1Corinthians 15:26-27} He still remains one of God's creation no matter his position that's why God's word referred to him (Jesus) as "the first born of all creation" {Colossians 1:15} nobody born JEHOVAH o!

So JEHOVAH is far far far greater than His Son in everything! John 14:28

The son of the President must received honor like his father but that doesn't mean he is equal to his father!

You quoting Colossians 1: 15 isn't helping your case. it actually back tracks against u and your evil organisation and makes my arguement even stronger

The issue is if your interpretation of that verse is anything to go by then:

1. The JW teaching and their own bible contradicts itself. Which makes it a false religion.

Here is their own NWT Bible

Rev 5: 13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

This begs two questions.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.


Please clear the obvious contradiction here

livingchrist:
Equality is by nature! "To partake" simply means to share in something, it does not say anything concerning the extent of the sharing
To become something you have to share in the full quality of that thing.
Peter was specific in verse 4 that it is his life(eternal life) and godliness that Christian partake in.

Dnt mind them brother. I already made a very sweet response to that . Thanks for your follow-up... See them shaking to answer questions.

haddeylium:


Interesting
But in contrast, Jehovah's witnesses only believe God's inspired word in the Bible

Let's see what the Gospel says:
John 20:31 — but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
Luke 22:70-71 — Then they all said, “Are You then the Son of God?” So He said to them, “You rightly say that I am.”

Besides, Mark says it at the outset of his gospel (1:1).
The angel told Mary her child would be the Son of God (Luke 1:35).
John the Baptist said the same thing (John 1:34).
Nathanael said it (John 1:49).
Martha believed it (John 11:27).
Jesus claimed that He said so (John 10:36).
The Gospel of John was written to convince the reader that Jesus was the Son of God (John 20:31).

But knowmore56 of NAIRALAND says Jesus is not God's Son
Enjoying this

All the quotations you have given support my explanation.
Check it below... the difference between A SON OF GOD and THE SON OF GOD

Jesus is not a son of God ( i.e one among many sons)

Jesus is THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD .

There is no other...!

*. Hebrews 1:5 "KJV:For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

*. John 3:16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

freshboi88:


You quoting Colossians 1: 15 isn't helping your case. it actually back tracks against u and your evil organisation and makes my arguement even stronger

The issue is if your interpretation of that verse is anything to go by then:

1. The JW teaching and their own bible contradicts itself. Which makes it a false religion.

Here is their own NWT Bible

Rev 5: 13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

This begs two questions.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.


Please clear the obvious contradiction here

Not one of them can answer it the first thing they teach you in JW is how to hate Jesus

If you reject Jesus before you can be Baptised
I think that what they do there

Not one JW will admit Jesus can save them not one why do they carry the new testaments it just to deceive weak people to look like they are Christian but deep down they are same with Judaism

Let see who will be bold to answer why all creatures in heaven and on earth and under the earth will kneel and confess even Satan has a knee

Philippians 2:10
New International Version
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

New Living Translation
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

English Standard Version
so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Berean Study Bible
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Berean Literal Bible
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in the heavens and on earth and under the earth,

Emusan:


Says the ignorance who doesn't know Trinity has been around before 5th century



50 AD The Huleatt Manuscript
74AD The Letter of Barnabas
80AD Herman
140AD Aristides
150AD Justin Martyr
150AD Polycarp of Smyrna
160AD Mathetes
170AD Tatian the Syrian
177AD Athenagoras
177AD Melito of Sardis
180AD Theophilus of Antioch
180AD Ireneaus
190AD Clement of Alexandria

To list few who taught and wrote about early Christians belief in Trinity.



The same lie your organization propagated in their publication "Should you believe in Trinity?" before it was taken down because of people's reaction.

I thought since your light is brighter than them you should know better but alas you people still stuck in the same old light



History will cure your ignorance when you know the teaching of Trinity predated Constantine

Just as The book Crucifixion—The Archaeological Evidence: By Vassilios Tzaferis exposes the lie of your organization that Jesus died on a STAKE when in history neither Jews nor Roman who crucified Jesus ever used pole to crucify anyone.

Some of their books that members will use as reference when making presentations after the presentation that particular member will be called back and corrected for using such reference.

Na when dey know the book contains what they cannot defend they recall them quick quick and some destroyed paapaa.

haddeylium:


Diswan is pure embarrassment o
You're not representing your trinitarians brothers well at all
What's this?

Is Jesus the same Shepherd as the Father or do we have two shepherds?

Father/son is the shepherd :

*. Psalm 23:1 "KJV: The Lord is my shepherd ; I shall not want."
(i.e the Father)

*. John 10 14 "KJV: I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine." ( i.e the Son)

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105517168]

JEHOVAH, JESUS and all members of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION are ONE:

"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one" John 17:22

So will you WORSHIP me as part of those who are ONE with God?

God's word said:

"And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as SHEPHERDS and teachers" Ephesians 4:11

It's like you should WORSHIP me o because i'm also one of the shepherds in the Christian congregation!

If you can manifest all the qualities of the only true God..

achorladey:


Some of their books that members will use as reference when making presentations after the presentation that particular member will be called back and corrected for using such reference.

Na when dey know the book contains what they cannot defend they recall them quick quick and some destroyed paapaa.

The book is so full of errors and misrepresents most cited author's intent.

What even make the book worst is how they displayed their dishonesty by forcing words into people's mouth. As that's not enough, they went as far as quoting ATHEIST SOURCES

freshboi88:

You are arguing with yourself and your Bible (the new world translation). What we want is answers from u
Rev 5 13-14
Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.
1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.
Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture

freshboi88:

NWT..........
Rev 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.
If it was answered pls tell us the answer.
1. Why is Jesus not part of every creature.
2. Why is Jesus on the side of the creator receiving the same glory, honor, power, might, praise, worship and blessing given to Jehovah ?
Pls be defend your faith, tell us why ?

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DappaD:

1. What do you mean by this statement? “Is he not supposed to be part of every creature as u guys teach” ?
Has Colossians 1:15 not be sufficient enough for this already?
Jesus being called the firstborn of all creation. is straightforward. It means he is also part of creation. Whereas Jehovah is the only One without a beginning. Psalm 93:2

When God told the Israelites to sanctify the firstborn of the all living things (Numbers 18:15) which included their sons, are we saying that the firstborns of the Israelites are not Israelites themselves? So if Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the firstborn of every creation, doesn’t it mean that Jesus is also a creation himself?


2. OK then you’ll have to explain to us why God told the Israelites that they would receive praise and honor and glory as they stood out from the nations around them. Deuteronomy 26:19
Does it mean that they now held status of God too since they would receive glory and honor?

freshboi88:

You quoting Colossians 1: 15 isn't helping your case. it actually back tracks against u and your evil organisation and makes my arguement even stronger
The issue is if your interpretation of that verse is anything to go by then:
1. The JW teaching and their own bible contradicts itself. Which makes it a false religion.
Here is their own NWT Bible
Rev 5: 13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.
This begs two questions.
1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.
Please clear the obvious contradiction here

Your problem is that you failed to realise that where there is contradictions ONENESS will be IMPOSSIBLE. But now Jehovah's Witnesses are blessed with oneness in thought! John 17:20-23
So it's you that's deceiving yourself!

MaxInDHouse:


Because as one of JEHOVAH'S Spirit sons archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) surrendered himself to come and redeem mankind {Daniel 12:1-3} after a successful earthly mission {John 19:30} JEHOVAH'S promoted Michael and gave him the authority to rule both in heaven and earth {Matthew 28:18} untill all creatures have been subjected to JEHOVAH but that doesn't mean that Jesus (Michael) is equal to JEHOVAH {1Corinthians 15:26-27} He still remains one of God's creation no matter his position that's why God's word referred to him (Jesus) as "the first born of all creation" {Colossians 1:15} nobody born JEHOVAH o!

So JEHOVAH is far far far greater than His Son in everything! John 14:28

The son of the President must received honor like his father but that doesn't mean he is equal to his father!

MaxInDHouse:


JEHOVAH, JESUS and all members of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION are ONE:

"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one" John 17:22

So will you WORSHIP me as part of those who are ONE with God?

God's word said:

"And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as SHEPHERDS and teachers" Ephesians 4:11

It's like you should WORSHIP me o because i'm also one of the shepherds in the Christian congregation!

Jesus is not only called the Shepherd but he's called:

1. Creator of all things; John 1:3-8;
*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV :For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: "

2. God of Gods;
*. Psalm 136:2 "
KJV:O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever."

3. LORD of Lords; Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 136:3; 1 Timothy 6:15; Revelations 17:15;
*. 1 Timothy 6:15 "KJV:Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;"

4. King of kings: Revelations 17:15
*. Revelations 19:16 "KJV:And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords."

5. Most High; Psalm 47:2; 78:17; Daniel 7:27
*. Psalm 78:17 "KJV:And they sinned yet more against him by provoking THE MOST HIGH in the wilderness."

6. Almighty; genesis 48:3; Revelations 1:8; 4:8; 11:17
*. Genesis 48:3 "KJV:And Jacob said unto Joseph, GOD ALMIGHTY appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,"

7. Everlasting; Psalm 90:2; 93:2; Proverbs 8:23; Isaiah 9: 6; 63:16; Jeremiah 10:10; Daniel 4:3,34; 2 Peter 1:11
*. Daniel 4:3 "
KJV:How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an EVERLASTING kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.
34
KJV:And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an EVERLASTING dominion , and his kingdom is from generation to generation:"

*. 2 Peter 1 :11 "KJV:For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the EVERLASTING kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ."

Now show me another being with such names.
I mean, an angel or a human being or anything else that has all these attributes.

KNOWMORE56:

If you can manifest all the qualities of the only true God..

No human can perfectly do that but the group or Organization where God's Holy Spirit keeps permeating their gathering will manifest all the qualities of God {Galatians 5:22-23} that's why Apostle Paul warned you saying:

"Against such a group THERE IS NO LAW!"

MaxInDHouse:


Your problem is that you failed to realise that where there is contradictions ONENESS will be IMPOSSIBLE. But now Jehovah's Witnesses are blessed with oneness in thought! John 17:20-23
So it's you that's deceiving yourself!

Bla bla bla Tap dancing when he has no answer to the question

He is the FIRST BORN of all Creations! Colossians 1:15
So he must have attributes that no other creature has but he is still one of God's creation!

KNOWMORE56:

Jesus is not only called the Shepherd but he's called:
1. Creator of all things; John 1:3-8;
*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV :For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: "
2. God of Gods;
*. Psalm 136:2 "
KJV:O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever."
3. LORD of Lords; Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 136:3; 1 Timothy 6:15; Revelations 17:15;
*. 1 Timothy 6:15 "KJV:Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;"
4. King of kings: Revelations 17:15
*. Revelations 19:16 "KJV:And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords."
5. Most High; Psalm 47:2; 78:17; Daniel 7:27
*. Psalm 78:17 "KJV:And they sinned yet more against him by provoking THE MOST HIGH in the wilderness."
6. Almighty; genesis 48:3; Revelations 1:8; 4:8; 11:17
*. Genesis 48:3 "KJV:And Jacob said unto Joseph, GOD ALMIGHTY appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,"
7. Everlasting; Psalm 90:2; 93:2; Proverbs 8:23; Isaiah 9: 6; 63:16; Jeremiah 10:10; Daniel 4:3,34; 2 Peter 1:11
*. Daniel 4:3 "
KJV:How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an EVERLASTING kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.
34
KJV:And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an EVERLASTING dominion , and his kingdom is from generation to generation:"
*. 2 Peter 1 :11 "KJV:For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the EVERLASTING kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ."
Now show me another being with such names.
I mean, an angel or a human being or anything else that has all these attributes.

freshboi88:

Bla bla bla Tap dancing when he has no answer to the question

Try to understand the meaning of that word "CONTRADICTION" first, it's like you don't know what it really means!

MaxInDHouse:


No human can perfectly do that but the group or Organization where God's Holy Spirit keeps permeating their gathering will manifest all the qualities of God {Galatians 5:22-23} that's why Apostle Paul warned you saying:

"Against such a group THERE IS NO LAW!"

No wonder you worship the organization...!

It's only Jesus I see with all the qualities... and I worship Him...

DappaD:

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Hahahaha......Thank God our interpretation of col 1:15 doesn't say that Jesus is created.

It's your organisation that teaches that col 1:15 means that Jesus is created.

So your organisation, your doctrine , your Bible is all in wrestle mania with itself

Pointing to col 1:15 doesn't do u any justice...it only give u more reason to answer my questions.

If u say Col 1:15 means Jesus is created. Then y is it contradicting Rev 5 13-14

Lemme quote it again so that u can read it slowly

Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature ?

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture

MaxInDHouse:


Because as one of JEHOVAH'S Spirit sons archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) surrendered himself to come and redeem mankind {Daniel 12:1-3} after a successful earthly mission {John 19:30} JEHOVAH'S promoted Michael and gave him the authority to rule both in heaven and earth {Matthew 28:18} untill all creatures have been subjected to JEHOVAH but that doesn't mean that Jesus (Michael) is equal to JEHOVAH {1Corinthians 15:26-27} He still remains one of God's creation no matter his position that's why God's word referred to him (Jesus) as "the first born of all creation" {Colossians 1:15} nobody born JEHOVAH o!

So JEHOVAH is far far far greater than His Son in everything! John 14:28

The son of the President must received honor like his father but that doesn't mean he is equal to his father!

You are tap dancing like your father the devil.

If col 1:15 is your reference to Jesus been created. Then straighten out Rev 5: 13-14 for us now.

Your teaching and your Bible are is giving each other smack down wrestle mania
Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture

KNOWMORE56:

No wonder you worship the organization...!
It's only Jesus I see with all the qualities... and I worship Him...

Jesus has a God whom he himself worships, that's the God i WORSHIP! John 20:17

MaxInDHouse:


Try to understand the meaning of that word "CONTRADICTION" first, it's like you don't know what it really means!

JW teaching of col 1:15 and Rev 5: 13-14 is giving giving each other smack down stone cold Steve Austin wrestle mania.
Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture

Go and study engineering in China but don't argue with them if you don't understand their term o {Daniel 12:10 compare to Matthew 13:13} because if you're not careful you may think they're contradicting themselves but they've proved to the whole world that they know what they're doing! Matthew 7:16-18

freshboi88:

You are tap dancing like your father the devil.
If col 1:15 is your reference to Jesus been created. Then straighten out Rev 5: 13-14 for us now.
Your teaching and your Bible are is giving each other smack down wrestle mania
Rev 5 13-14
Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.
1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.
Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture