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Bishopkingsley:
in the passage itself Jesus explained the purpose for the swords. Jesus instructed his disciples to buy the swords, “for it is written: ‘he was numbered with the transgressors.’”
Here, Jesus referenced Isaiah 53:12, which contains one of the many Old Testament prophesies concerning the life of the Messiah. Jesus wanted the swords present when he was arrested, because the presence of the swords would indicate to those arresting him that he was one of the “transgressors,” that he was leading a violent rebellion. Jesus again referenced this while he was being arrested:
The weapons was not for war but to fulfill scriptures

But my brother neighbour you can defend your self if you want it is a natural thing if insect want to bite you what do you do do you kill it or allow it to bite you

Remember Bible said that you should not kill it did not say don't kill only human beings it say don't kill that includes animals and dangerous insect so when mosquitoes want to bite you don't kill it since you are so holy right

Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Luke 11:21
When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe;
Question
Are you a strong man or a weak man
Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...
Psalm 18:34 He trains my hands for battle; he strengthens my arm to draw a bronze bow.
Psalm 144:1 A psalm of David. Praise the LORD, who is my rock. He trains my hands for war and gives my fingers skill for battle.
Matthew 24:43
43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

MaxInDHouse:
Please don't forget that you're not my brother but NEIGHBOUR!

I asked you questions which you didn't attempt any but i'll rephrase them:

[1]Did Jesus teach his followers how to use physical swords?
[2]Is there anywhere in the scriptures that Jesus' followers used physical swords?

Please try to answer accordingly!



Jesus taught us a lesson by allowing two thousand pigs drown just to save one human {Luke 8:28-34} Jesus has taught us that humans are worth much more than thousands of animals {Matthew 10:31} because we are created in the image of God {Genesis 1:26} so we can kill animals to protect human lives!




Jesus said he brought sword because his teachings will cause divisions in many families and in most cases families will prefer to see their son/daughter die than becoming one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {Matthew 10:35:36} so we perfectly understood what Jesus said!

As for being a strong man Jesus taught us how to be strong by controlling his emotions {Luke 9:51-56} so no matter what anyone does to Jesus he perfectly maintain his peace. That's what he meant to be a strong man not someone who lost his mental balance when Satan comes with temptations! Proverbs 16:32

Bishopkingsley:
Question
[1]Did Jesus teach his followers how to use physical swords?
Answer
No
But Jehovah did teach his followers Isreal how to use physical swords?

Question
[2]Is there anywhere in the scriptures that Jesus' followers used physical swords?
Answer
Yes
Peter used it to cut one person ear who wanted to arrest Jesus

And many military men that follow Jesus came to Jesus to seek spiritual help which Jesus rendered the help to them
Now Jehovah sent Peter to one military man to teach the man how to become born again

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JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {Matthew 10:35:36} so we perfectly understood what Jesus said!
Answer
My brother neighbour There is no Jehovah witness in the new testaments Bible that I can remember

Bishopkingsley:
After 144,000 Bible records thousands and thousands which no man can count after 144,000 did they not see it

Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

MaxInDHouse:
Well you're wrong!
Because Jehovah commanded Israelites to go and kill pagans not those worshiping Jehovah.
Today your fellow Churchgoers are in all the countries so picking up weapons to kill in the name of racism is evil in the sight of Jesus (God's only begotten Son)


You're wrong!
Because Peter has not become a born again by the time he did so, and Jesus condemned Peter's action so true Christians never used physical swords!


We are admonished to love everyone in our neighbourhood {Mark 12:29-30} but that doesn't mean we are worshiping the same God with all our neighbours! Matthew 12:46-50



Mr Bishopkingsley i keep correcting you that YOU ARE NOT MY BROTHER RATHER YOU ARE MY NEIGHBOUR!
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are my brothers as we all share the same line of thought but as for you since we're not related in any way you can only be my neighbour!

Don't worry about the name we choose to be addressed, that's between us and our God!

achorladey:
The reason I told one of Max friend OR brother that whatever they call Jehovah’s viewpoint written in their publications from times past till date they don't follow them because like the other one said they are ARCHAIC IDEAS, they are to MOCKED, they what recent BIBLICAL EVIDENCE has made IRRELEVANT.

When they attach these words to what they preach and teach you wonder what they really or actually believe.

For example the thousands of thousands you saw this same organisation Max belonged taught and teach are Christians of other religion who don't exercise faith in Jesus christ fully the reason they are standing while the 144,000 are those who exercised faith fully in Jesus christ the reason they are sitting on thrones

Examples like this mentioned above and the supporting image below are the Jehovah’s viewpoint that made them become the only true Christians on earth of which in today's world the same organisation and Jehovah they serve see as ARCHAIC IDEAS, to be mocked and made IRRELEVANT as a result of recent BIBLICAL EVIDENCE

You wonder why the continuous MANIPULATION.

MaxInDHouse:
Please don't forget that you're not my brother but NEIGHBOUR!

I asked you questions which you didn't attempt any but i'll rephrase them:

[1]Did Jesus teach his followers how to use physical swords?
[2]Is there anywhere in the scriptures that Jesus' followers used physical swords?

Please try to answer accordingly!



Jesus taught us a lesson by allowing two thousand pigs drown just to save one human {Luke 8:28-34} Jesus has taught us that humans are worth much more than thousands of animals {Matthew 10:31} because we are created in the image of God {Genesis 1:26} so we can kill animals to protect human lives!




Jesus said he brought sword because his teachings will cause divisions in many families and in most cases families will prefer to see their son/daughter die than becoming one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {Matthew 10:35:36} so we perfectly understood what Jesus said!

As for being a strong man Jesus taught us how to be strong by controlling his emotions {Luke 9:51-56} so no matter what anyone does to Jesus he perfectly maintain his peace. That's what he meant to be a strong man not someone who lost his mental balance when Satan comes with temptations! Proverbs 16:32

Bishopkingsley:
Jesus group is called the body of Christ
So they can deceive you because you don't know the Bible

They can't lie to people who know the Bible because The Church is called the Body of Christ, as it is a living entity, just as a body is. It is the Body of Christ, as Christ the head and founder of the Church. The relationship between the Church and Christ is the same as the relationship between the body and the head.

The phrase “the Body of Christ” is a common New Testament metaphor for the Church (all those who are truly saved). The Church is called “one body in Christ” in Romans 12:5, “one body” in 1 Corinthians 10:17, “the body of Christ” in 1 Corinthians 12:27 and Ephesians 4:12, and “the body” in Hebrews 13:3. The Church is clearly equated with “the body” of Christ in Ephesians 5:23 and Colossians 1:24.

Romans 12:5 (ESV)
5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.

1 Corinthians 10:17 (ESV)
17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.

1 Corinthians 12:27 (ESV)
27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

Ephesians 4:12 (ESV)
12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,

Hebrews 13:3 (ESV)
3 Remember those who are in prison, as though in prison with them, and those who are mistreated, since you also are in the body.

Ephesians 5:23 (ESV)
23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

Colossians 1:24 (ESV)
24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,

When Christ entered our world, He took on a physical body “prepared” for Him (Hebrews 10:5; Philippians 2:7). Through His physical body, Jesus demonstrated the love of God clearly, tangibly, and boldly—especially through His sacrificial death on the cross (Romans 5:8.. ). After His bodily ascension, Christ continues His work in the world through those He has redeemed—the Church now demonstrates the love of God clearly, tangibly, and boldly. In this way, the Church functions as “the Body of Christ.”

The Church may be called the Body of Christ because of these facts:

1) Members of the Body of Christ are joined to Christ in salvation (Ephesians 4:15-16).

2) Members of the Body of Christ follow Christ as their Head (Ephesians 1:22-23).

3) Members of the Body of Christ are the physical representation of Christ in this world. The Church is the organism through which Christ manifests His life to the world today.

4) Members of the Body of Christ are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9).

5) Members of the Body of Christ possess a diversity of gifts suited to particular functions (1 Corinthians 12:4-31). “The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ” (verse 12).

6) Members of the Body of Christ share a common bond with all other Christians, regardless of background, race, or ministry. “There should be no division in the body, but . . . its parts should have equal concern for each other” (1 Corinthians 12:25).

7) Members of the Body of Christ are secure in their salvation (John 10:28-30). For a Christian to lose his salvation, God would have to perform an “amputation” on the Body of Christ!

8.. ) Members of the Body of Christ partake of Christ’s death and resurrection (Colossians 2:12).

9) Members of the Body of Christ share Christ’s inheritance (Romans 8:17).

10) Members of the Body of Christ receive the gift of Christ’s righteousness (Romans 5:17).

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for the readjustment my neighbour!

Well as long as your own Jesus supports killing your enemies in the name of self defense then it simply means my own Jesus totally differs from yours! Matthew 5:43-48

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i always ask you to present a better performing group than JWs!

You keep quoting the same verse as if you've gotten something tangible out of it, i told you that all the creatures including Jesus worship JEHOVAH that's why we have PEACE permeating our gathering globally because we know the truth. John 14:26-27
Jesus worship JEHOVAH when he was on earth so now that he returns to heaven JEHOVAH wants us to worship Him through the instructions provided by His Son.
Of course all creatures in heaven must obey Jesus as King but worship belongs only to JEHOVAH.
If you think otherwise then present a group of worshipers practicing what you thought is right and let's see how competent they're beside JWs!

Bishopkingsley:
My brother
Every one knows how you twist words no one is talking about enemy

We are talking about when someone wants to kill you that you can defend your self to stop that person even if it means you kill him as a result of self defense

We are not talking about enemy because some enemy can hate you but they will not want to kill you because they obey the law of the government

Here we are talking about someone who don't fear God don't fear the government who don't care about anything, who wants to kill you physically and you manage to overcome the person to protect yourself and your family and your country

Janosky:
Mumu LIENUS
Continue WAILING & proof texting
New International Version
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

New Living Translation
Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.

English Standard Version
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to

Everyone knows that wind moves to and fro, it's movement is not static.

Numbers 11:17
17And I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take some of the Spirit that is on you and put that Spirit on them. They will help you bear the burden of the people, so that you do not have to bear it by yourself.…"


How many [b]spirits was shared to Moses & 70 valiant leaders of Israel ?

Trinitarians too dey DECEIVE themselves [/b]

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is where you're goofing my guy!

We all have the same line of thought that There is no other group or organization that's performing like JWs that's why we don't want to be excommunicated by God's people!
Otherwise there's nothing stopping us from moving to other groups if watchtower excommunicate us sebi Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Winner, Chosen, Catholic, Anglican, Cele, C & S, Apostolic Faith and many more dey!

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Emusan don't deceive yourself o!
There are JWs in those countries the only difference is their mode of operations will be guided under the laws of the state. In fact they do preach public and nobody deprive them not to preach in those countries. The only places where we often have issues are countries where the Churches have poisoned the minds of their rulers not to allow us but in Islamic nations once we're not dragging issues with the system of government they practice we have no problem!
Note that the Roman Governor (Pilate) has nothing against Jesus, it was the Jewish religious leaders who were instigating the ruler against Jesus! Luke 23:4-5
But in Arabic states since we're not interested in dragging issues with their government they find us harmless unlike the Churches who will tell their people to vote against SHARIA government!

MaxInDHouse:
You didn't get the message!

JWs are safe in places where Churches of Christendom has not polluted the environment.

Our brothers and sisters in such places do their preaching and teaching unnoticed by Islamists.

So even when we're preaching to an Islamist he wouldn't know that we are not Muslims because we choose our words carefully so as not to arouse suspicion.

[s]And since we don't drag political office with them they don't see us as a threat.[/s]

[s]The churches do oppose them during their campaign for Sharia law but instead JWs will study their laws to know if there won't be forceful worship and since each person can pray to Allah at his/her own convenience it is hard for them to suspect that we're not worshiping their God.[/s]

But that's not the same case with misinformed churchgoers. They want to start shouting in their streets and speaking against their worship!

MaxInDHouse:
It seems you don't want me to chat with you again. Please stop calling me your brother!
I'm not your brother but neighbour!
So next time you refer to me as "brother" i'll assume you just want to irritate me therefore i'll discontinue this conversation!
Jesus was warning us about how to deal with our enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} he gave no provision for killing in self defense but if you show me i'll love it. I only know the powerful Jesus who never hurt anyone including those who wants to kill him {Matthew 26:51-53} in most cases Jesus will run away! John 8:59;10:39


This aren't real enemies because the law forbids physical assault and a Christian mustn't provoke his neighbour to that level!
Proverbs 17:14



The underlined is where we're having serious issues because this enemies are authorized by their own government to come and kill you due to racism and/or politics.
My question again is should a Christian be found doing such?
Remember that if you attend an international convention you and your fellow believers will meet and share happy moments, sing and pray to your God. So if the politician ruling your territory is quarrelling with that of your fellow believers is it proper to carry weapons, pray to your Jesus and aim at your fellow believer because someone asked you to do so?

Bishopkingsley:
We can't be going about in a circle I show you many scriptures to back up self defense but you chose to ignore them read my past post to see them
This is the problem with JW you will see something you will neglect it I show you many scriptures I won't show you any new ones since you chose to neglect the other ones

I told you you don't obey Bible if you do you will know there are different kinds of brothers then you will know the type of brother that we are
Four types shown in Bible
There is blood brother
There is those who are saved the body of Christ brother
There is Adam brother because he is our first father
There is children of darkness brother

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
Sin came to us all we all are born into sin because Adam was out earthly father
Jesus did not have earthly father that why he was born pure holy that why he is God man

Bishopkingsley:
My brother
Every one knows how you twist words no one is talking about enemy

We are talking about when someone wants to kill you that you can defend your self to stop that person even if it means you kill him as a result of self defense

We are not talking about enemy because some enemy can hate you but they will not want to kill you because they obey the law of the government

Here we are talking about someone who don't fear God don't fear the government who don't care about anything, who wants to kill you physically and you manage to overcome the person to protect yourself and your family and your country

MaxInDHouse:
Just settle this once and for all by quoting where Jesus or any of the born again Christians kill someone due to self defense!
You are quoting the Old Testament which i explained to you that we can't rely on it since the people Israelites were fighting aren't worshiping JEHOVAH. How can you even claim you belong to the same Master with the person you're going to kill due to racism?





You are not my brother in any way!
I told you and substantiated using Jesus' own words when he denied his own blood brothers and mother publicly saying they're not his brothers or mother! Matthew 12:46-50

Of course Jesus accept everyone as neighbours and that's what he taught his listeners to do {Mark 12:29-31} but as for BROTHERS Jesus gave us a new Commandment to love our BROTHERS the same way he love us {John 13:34-35
So if Jesus doesn't regard his blood brothers as his real brothers please stop addressing me as "brother" just as Jesus rejected those who don't have the same line of thought with him i also will never accept you as my brother so address me as "neighbour"


Jesus referred to the Pharisees as Satan's children {John 8:44} and addressed those having the same line of thought with him as brothers {Matthew 12:46-50} so i believe Jesus' way not yours!

MightySparrow:
Don't mind MaximumSide his thinking faculty has been taken over by the confused GB. They have indoctrinated JW members such that they cannot reason on their own. More so, their NWT is the most spurious Bible ever published. In other to defend their erring organisation, they become dishonest in discussions.

Worst still they are living in delusion. They can only teach but cannot learn from anyone. The fraudulent 1914 has been debunked by erudite scholars, even few studious of them like Professor Furuli, a doyen of Assyriology was shamefully disfellowshipped by ignorant GB members who do not know their left from right.


Just watch Stephen Lett, Kennedy, David Splain teach
nonsense on YouTube.
I feel for likes of MaxInDHouse leaving confusion of Islam for delusion of JWs boldly typing heaven-daring heresies here.


His celebrated ignorance is hopelessly abysmal.

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry for you, the JWs won the best of the best disciples globally.

Where were you when JWs kept coming to my house both rain and sunshine to convince me of what the Bible teaches?

Well go and worship with your Papa and i hope you're seeing how Nairalanders are calling your Papa different names!

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MaxInDHouse:
Just settle this once and for all by quoting where Jesus or any of the born again Christians kill someone due to self defense!
You are quoting the Old Testament which i explained to you that we can't rely on it since the people Israelites were fighting aren't worshiping JEHOVAH. How can you even claim you belong to the same Master with the person you're going to kill due to racism?





You are not my brother in any way!
I told you and substantiated using Jesus' own words when he denied his own blood brothers and mother publicly saying they're not his brothers or mother! Matthew 12:46-50

Of course Jesus accept everyone as neighbours and that's what he taught his listeners to do {Mark 12:29-31} but as for BROTHERS Jesus gave us a new Commandment to love our BROTHERS the same way he love us {John 13:34-35
So if Jesus doesn't regard his blood brothers as his real brothers please stop addressing me as "brother" just as Jesus rejected those who don't have the same line of thought with him i also will never accept you as my brother so address me as "neighbour"


Jesus referred to the Pharisees as Satan's children {John 8:44} and addressed those having the same line of thought with him as brothers {Matthew 12:46-50} so i believe Jesus' way not yours!

MaxInDHouse:
Just settle this once and for all by quoting where Jesus or any of the born again Christians kill someone due to self defense!
You are quoting the Old Testament which i explained to you that we can't rely on it since the people Israelites were fighting aren't worshiping JEHOVAH. How can you even claim you belong to the same Master with the person you're going to kill due to racism?





You are not my brother in any way!
I told you and substantiated using Jesus' own words when he denied his own blood brothers and mother publicly saying they're not his brothers or mother! Matthew 12:46-50

Of course Jesus accept everyone as neighbours and that's what he taught his listeners to do {Mark 12:29-31} but as for BROTHERS Jesus gave us a new Commandment to love our BROTHERS the same way he love us {John 13:34-35
So if Jesus doesn't regard his blood brothers as his real brothers please stop addressing me as "brother" just as Jesus rejected those who don't have the same line of thought with him i also will never accept you as my brother so address me as "neighbour"


Jesus referred to the Pharisees as Satan's children {John 8:44} and addressed those having the same line of thought with him as brothers {Matthew 12:46-50} so i believe Jesus' way not yours!

MightySparrow:
By your own myopic rating. That I didn't come to your house doesn't mean I don't evangelize. Just keep aside the JWs write- ups and try to go through the Bible yourself, two or three times, you will understand the Bible.
You fear being disfellowshipped? That is the bondage I read in most of you I have discussed with.
I once told you about the woman abandoned by her husband. Initially, she was afraid of same thing: disfellowshippment, threatened to have discussion with me. I was watching her.
My point until you free yourself from mental slavery. You will be living in fool's paradise.
Every other person is wrong in every other thing?
You may be Very sure you are also entangled in what you are trying to protect.
As you always type, I am not your brother but a stranger neighbour on Nairaland neighborhood.

MaxInDHouse:
Thank you ọmọ Papa.
I'm 100% sure of whatever the GB says so it's you that's not sure if Papa is capable or not, as for the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES they are the perfect description of the faith and discreet slave Jesus foretold! Matthew 24:45

MaxInDHouse:
In a nutshell there's nowhere the true Christians raised weapons against anyone in the Bible, shey?
Well whatever happens to them for keeping that legacy JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES taught me that i should also be prepared to live and die like them before i can have what Jesus promised those faithful people!

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achorladey:
You are not my brother in any way!
I told you and substantiated using Jesus' own words when he denied his own blood brothers and mother publicly saying they're not his brothers or mother! Matthew 12:46-50..... MaxInDHouse


In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered.

11 Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters. 12 He says,

“I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.”

Hebrews 2: 11, 12

For both the one who is sanctifying and those who are being sanctified all stem from one, and for this reason he is not ashamed to call them brothers, 12 as he says: “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will praise you with song.”...... NWT

You either deny your GOD Jehovah or recall and retrieve your statement. One will happen.

Bishopkingsley will be waiting for your response on this just like the post above on persons serving same masters fighting one another.

MightySparrow:
By your own myopic rating. That I didn't come to your house doesn't mean I don't evangelize.

#1
Just keep aside the JWs write- ups and try to go through the Bible yourself, two or three times, you will understand the Bible.


#2
You fear being disfellowshipped? That is the bondage I read in most of you I have discussed with.
I once told you about the woman abandoned by her husband. Initially, she was afraid of same thing: disfellowshippment, threatened to have discussion with me. I was watching her.



My point until you free yourself from mental slavery. You will be living in fool's paradise.

Every other person is wrong in every other thing?
You may be Very sure you are also entangled in what you are trying to protect.

As you always type, I am not your brother but a stranger neighbour on Nairaland neighborhood.

#1
The man Sparrow wey understand him Bible thoroughly opened a thread to receive tutorials on why him Pastorpreneurs dey appoint their wives as co-partners of their business centers

#2
Bros, look for another excuse to console yourself.
JWs will NOT disfellowship any witness whose spouse abandoned there marriage except she engaged in sexual immorality & was remorseless about it.

achorladey:
The reason I told one of Max friend OR brother that whatever they call Jehovah’s viewpoint written in their publications from times past till date they don't follow them because like the other one said they are ARCHAIC IDEAS, they are to MOCKED, they what recent BIBLICAL EVIDENCE has made IRRELEVANT.

When they attach these words to what they preach and teach you wonder what they really or actually believe.

For example the thousands of thousands you saw this same organisation Max belonged taught and teach are Christians of other religion who don't exercise faith in Jesus christ fully the reason they are standing while the 144,000 are those who exercised faith fully in Jesus christ the reason they are sitting on thrones

Examples like this mentioned above and the supporting image below are the Jehovah’s viewpoint that made them become the only true Christians on earth of which in today's world the same organisation and Jehovah they serve see as ARCHAIC IDEAS, to be mocked and made IRRELEVANT as a result of recent BIBLICAL EVIDENCE

You wonder why the continuous MANIPULATION.