budaatum:


Obviously not true, unless your Genesis reading starts from Chapter two.

paltielx:
So does the Bible contradicts itself

paltielx:
So does the Bible contradicts itself

budaatum:


Many writers of the different books in the Bible do have contradictory understandings, and they make the Bible an even better book for it as readers would need to resolve the contradictions themselves.

A classic contradiction is one between Paul of Faith and [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202%3A14-26&version=NKJV]James of Work[/url]. And the Gospels show Jesus discussing numerous ideas that contradicted the accepted belief of those arguing with him.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/6434802/what-real-name-islamic-god/6#102139134

paltielx:
No it doesn't contradicts itself, u don't understand it

MaxInDHouse:


Do you have brains? Sure you do!
But are you part of those in psychiatric homes? No!
WHY?
Well it's because you're managing your brains the best way you can while those who overuse their brains end up in Arò or Yábà.
Yet everyone has brains!
So while some abuses their Bibles JWs are using it to the best of their ability and all those who wants to remain in the things of God are peaceloving people!

budaatum:


If you say so, though I do beg to differ as you'd see from my first post in this very thread.

I love the contradictions because they shock one into thinking instead of believing, since only by turning off one's brain and mind can one simply believe contradictions.

jamesid29:


What if you are only seeing it as a contradiction because you're reading the text through a cultural lens that is foreign to it?

Many people have been studying(not just reading) these texts as far back as the second temple period(That's still thousands of years, granting the most liberal dating). And they have come out with an harmony across the text.

Do you think all these people across space and time turned off their brains or do you think maybe; just maybe, it's possible that, if we allowed the text to speak in its own voice(as much as possible) without imposing ours on it, we might be able to see a tension, beauty and harmony within the first 3chapters of genesis?

budaatum:


What you claim is very possible and must be guided against. Jesus is written to have warned against it too when he is written to have said, "unless one becomes as a child". He meant, abandon preconceived ideas and beliefs and look at things with fresh eyes, which is what he did and was crucified for, after all, before his time, "Many people have been studying(not just reading) these texts as far back as the second temple period", yet he saw things rather different.

That said, the text in question here is not exactly a contradiction. There were two distinct creation stories of different entities.

In the first was humankind and in the second was Adam and Eve, unless you'd like to claim the two creations were two naratives of the same creation which the text does not support since both creations were clearly given different instructions.

jamesid29:

How do you mean? What different instructions are you referring to?

budaatum:


Sorry, but I'll only be able to respond from what I read.

First we read, or it is written in Chapter 1 that:

Then God said, “Let us make (hu)mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

So God created (hu)mankind in his own image in the image of God he created the male and female he created them.

Then was added the second chapter creation of Adam and Eve:

Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Many assume the (hu)mankind in Genesis 1 is the Adam and Eve in Genesis 2, but lets see the instruction they were given.

Gen 1 (hu)mankind is told to “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” While Gen 2 Adam and Eve were "put him in the Garden of them to work it and take care of it", which is a significant downgrade of the task given to (hu)mankind. Basically, (hu)mankind, it is written, was created to rule over the entire earth, while Adam and Eve were naked slaves in the tiny Garden of Eden.

Now, while these are just myths and stories they have significant implications for human beings who allow themselves to be programmed. You'd find that some prefer to be stupid ignorant knowledge averse believing Adams, while some would be use her senses knowledge and wisdom seeking Eves, but some are yet (hu)mankinds who are "fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground”. Each of us choose which creation we are.

You might notice the difference in nations that obey the instruction given to (hu)mankind in Genesis 1, and those that obey the instruction given to Adam in Genesis 2. Even nations that do as Eve did are doing better than the Adamic nations, and the (hu)mankind nations are ruling over them all.

budaatum:

jamesid29:

Okay so, I think the first thing I'll like to point out is that the "multiply, fill the earth and so on" was a blessing and declaration, not an instruction.

jamesid29:
Secondly, Adam wasn't placed in the garden as a slave. That is foreign to text.

jamesid29:
Can I ask you, what do you think to subdue the earth and to rule over it meant?

jamesid29:
And how do you think Jews and Jesus in particular understood this text?

budaatum:

And, first, I'd like to point out to you that we are exchanging understanding. I'm not one to be told what to think since I have a mind of my own and know how to use it.

Now, if I tell you to "multiply, fill the earth and so on", I feel certain you'd see it as an instruction. Evidence also suggests that if you obey the instruction to "multiply, fill the earth and so on" you will be blessed and if you don't you won't be blessed. Unfortunately the be "blessed" is placed first so that connection is missed. America, China, Europe, for example, "multiply, fill the earth and so on" and are blessed, financially at least. Nigeria does not "multiply, fill the earth and so on" enough, so is not blessed. You might note this from all the wailing on Nairaland or check the average lifespan of the countries mentioned and compare it to Nigeria's.


Many would agree with you, but Adam was clearly naked and kept ignorant and was working for slave wages of food and board. Neither he nor Eve were "multiply, fill the earth and so on" while they were tending the Garden of Eden.


'Bend the earthly resources to your use and need', which can only be done after acquiring knowledge about the earth. Those who do not eat fruits of knowledge can not "subdue the earth" nor can they "rule over it".


Different people at different times have understood the entire book differently, even amongst the Jews different understandings existed, but the first few chapters of Genesis in particular are of significant importance, most especially the story of the Garden of Eden, since it is the key to the entire Book.

Some have used the ideas in the text to enslave others. The Catholic Church, for instance, kept the Bible in a language the people could not read, which allowed the Church to (enslave, exploit), dictate to people. The slave owners in America followed it literally in keeping their slaves ignorant so they could easily be controlled. The makers of our own Nigerian almanjeris use the same principle to enslave almanjeris by insisting the Quran remain in a language its readers can not understand, and our education system follows suite though not intentionally. We are taught to work in the Garden of Eden instead of to "multiply, fill the earth and so on". It's why we are so unblessed (poor).

Jesus, on the other hand went about opening people's eyes and fed them fruits of knowledge, for only those who eat that fruit can possibly "multiply, fill the earth and so on", while those who don't eat the fruits of knowledge would be enslaved to those who do. He said, "don't you know you are gods", which is what you'd be if you realise you are created in God's image to "multiply, fill the earth and so on" instead of being put to work in the tiny Garden of Eden.

In your previous you said "Many people have been studying(not just reading) these texts as far back as the second temple period(That's still thousands of years, granting the most liberal dating). And they have come out with an harmony across the text".

From the above I am assuming you are implying that one should therefore accept what they say instead of using your own God given heart and soul and mind and being, which I think would contradict the instruction Christ gave to ask and knock and seek for yourself, and would put to question the need for him to have sent you the Holy Spirit to minister to you since you can simply accept what you are told by the "Many people have been studying" for "thousands of years".

Do note that Jesus spent a considerably amount of time being challenged by "Many people have been studying" for "thousands of years", and warned that they give stones instead of bread, hence, woe to them. He himself was crucified for using his own God given heart and soul and mind and being instead of accepting what he was told by the "Many people have been studying" for "thousands of years".

I'm off to sleep. Will read your response when I wake up. And thanks tons for your patience and time.

wirinet:


This is the main reason I decided to remain irreligious, anyone that asks questions or questions your beliefs is automatically threatened with violence, and I am not a violent person.

jamesid29:

Okay so, I think the first thing I'll like to point out is that the " multiply, fill the earth and so on" was a blessing and declaration, not an instruction.

Secondly, Adam wasn't placed in the garden as a slave. That is foreign to text.
That's actually more of a Mesopotamian and other Ancient near eastern conception of man, not a Jewish one.

Can I ask you, what do you think to subdue the earth and to rule over it meant?
And how do you think Jews and Jesus in particular understood this text?

HellVictorinho:

Still not a solution
You claim to be using the Bible the right way
That shows disorder too
If you say everyone is right
That's still part of disorder
Whether you take it seriously or not
There's no limit to disorder
It's a hopeless situation

MaxInDHouse:


Each time you talk about your hopelessness i do feel for you, but take good care of yourself.

You're worth more than a thousand reason to be alive so stop hurting yourself with your condition, tell yourself as in assure yourself that you worth it that's why you're still breathing!

wirinet:


The way I see it Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2 are two completely different stories.

In Genesis chapter 1 God created all land animals, all see bearing plants and man (man and woman on the sixth day. By the seven day God's creation work has finished and he rested on the seventh day.

Meanwhile, in Genesis Chapter 2, there were no timelines. God created Man alone first, he then created trees and and planted the trees east of Eden. He gave man instruction not to eat the tree of knowledge. Thereafter God created birds and other land animals. He then put man in charge of the garden. As an after thought and his last creation, he created woman to help man in his duties.

HellVictorinho:




That dude says whatever he wants in the name of the Bible and people like you see him as -_#$$$$###


Whether you see him as deceptive or not

I consider him unnecessary





Who needs the Bible to reject someone that is unnecessary?

jamesid29:

Good morning boss, I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to get at

HellVictorinho:

I am stuck to the world you await Jehovah to repair like it was ever in an intented state and that's till the day I die
These days I find it hard to listen to 2Pac,Rick Ross,B.I.G and my own rap recordings because of insufficient time to me and power supply to my phone
The struggle to survive is over crazy

MaxInDHouse:


Just appreciate yourself first that's only when others will start to appreciate you, but as long as you're feeling worthless it will be WRITTEN all over you!

HellVictorinho:

I never felt worthless

HellVictorinho:

I am stuck to the world you await Jehovah to repair like it was ever in an intented state and that's till the day I die
The struggle to survive is over crazy

MaxInDHouse:


Oh do you really think so?
OK, show this to your neighbour and ask him what he thinks about the writer:



Please don't let your neighbour know you're the one who typed this because if i know you in person i'll keep a distance far away from you!

HellVictorinho:

You are also stuck to the same world
Life involves you too
Life is over crazy

MaxInDHouse:


NO, You're wrong!
I enjoy every moment of my life because i take life simple and easy so it's easy and sweet with me!

HellVictorinho:

You don't understand
The same world where you enjoy Bla Bla Bla is the same world where others don't

MaxInDHouse:

Happiness is cheap but scarce, do you know why? Because you're the architect of your own feelings, so the ball is in your court!

HellVictorinho:

You are wrong!
Feelings are never chosen

MaxInDHouse:

Well wise people always choose their own feelings!

HellVictorinho:

You are still wrong!