dorox:


The law of conservation of matter and energy does not apply before the big bang, in fact nothing does. That is why all your claims about before the big bang are just meaningless and contradictory.

How did you know that the law doesn’t apply before Big Bang?

How?

dorox:


The law of conservation of matter and energy does not apply before the big bang, in fact nothing does. That is why all your claims about before the big bang are just meaningless and contradictory.

You are the person who doesn’t understand Big Bang.

Go to a good physics page and read it.
Don’t get yourself confuse

Workch:
Matter existed before Big Bang, this is why I am telling you that we know when the universe started expanding which is 13.8billion and not When matter started existing.
Matter has always existed by law
Got that?

Source for the claim that matter has always existed please?

Workch:
You are the person who doesn’t understand Big Bang.

Go to a good physics page and read it.
Don’t get yourself confuse

So long my friend, I have to go now. Search through google if you have the time for articles of whether matter has always existed. Meanwhile you can have a look at this article.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/what-was-before-the-big-bang-everything-you-need-to-know/

dorox:


So long my friend, I have to go now. Search through google if you have the time for articles of whether matter has always existed. Meanwhile you can have a look at this article.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/what-was-before-the-big-bang-everything-you-need-to-know/

I am gonna take some piece of articles from a site that said Big Bang is an explosion? Joke of the century

Both you and the site are confuse. Big Bang wasn’t an explosion either. I help help you with renown physics pages

dorox:


So long my friend, I have to go now. Search through google if you have the time for articles of whether matter has always existed. Meanwhile you can have a look at this article.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/what-was-before-the-big-bang-everything-you-need-to-know/

Read from NASA website and stop reading all these quack physics site.

No sane physicist thinks Big Bang was an explosion
https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang

Workch:
I am gonna take some piece of articles from a site that said Big Bang is an explosion? Joke of the century

Both you and the site are confuse. Big Bang wasn’t an explosion either. I help help you with renown physics pages

Nobody is calling the big bang an explosion in the vernacular sense of stuff exploding, I hope that is not the sense you got from my post.

Workch:
Do you prefer if I start denigrating you or you want to understand how it works?

Since you are vastly more knowledgeable in physics than me, please educate me!

Is gravitational singleton a varying entity or a static entity?

dorox:


Nobody is calling the big bang an explosion in the vernacular sense of stuff exploding, I hope that is not the sense you got from my post.

Then read the explanation by NASA, big bang is an expansion of an existing dense matter. It's not the appearance of matter.

That would contradict law of conservation of mass and energy

TenQ:

Since you are vastly more knowledgeable in physics than me, please educate me!

Is gravitational singleton a varying entity or a static entity?

I don't understand the question.
Did you mean gravitational singularity?

Workch:
Read from NASA website and stop reading all these quack physics site.

No sane physicist thinks Big Bang was an explosion
https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang

It appears to me that you don't fully understand what was being discussed in the link you provided. It is about what happened moments after the big bang that was being talked about. Once again, i will ask you to provide me a source to your claim that matter has always existed

dorox:


It appears to me that you don't fully understand what was being discussed in the link you provided. It is about what happened moments after the big bang that was being talked about. Once again, i will ask you to provide me a source to your claim that matter has always existed

Space.com
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.space.com/amp/25126-big-bang-theory.html

dorox:


It appears to me that you don't fully understand what was being discussed in the link you provided. It is about what happened moments after the big bang that was being talked about. Once again, i will ask you to provide me a source to your claim that matter has always existed

Harvard.edu
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015PhDT.......154L/abstract

dorox:


It appears to me that you don't fully understand what was being discussed in the link you provided. It is about what happened moments after the big bang that was being talked about. Once again, i will ask you to provide me a source to your claim that matter has always existed

I'm expecting you to argue what a singularity is, so I thought if posting it before then

Workch:
Harvard.edu
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015PhDT.......154L/abstract

This says nothing about your claim that matter has always existed. Space-time, matter and energy is before the big bang is not science, so when you say that matter has always existed, its also not science.

dorox:


This says nothing about your claim that matter has always existed. Space-time, matter and energy is before the big bang is not science, so when you say that matter has always existed, its also not science.

it's says a singularity existed that promoted before the expansion.

Workch:
it's says a singularity existed that promoted before the expansion.

At this point I bid you farewell for there is nothing i can say to make you see that the singularity is about the big bang and not before the big bang. It even says so in the first paragraph of the article you screenshot.

dorox:


At this point, I bid you farewell for there is nothing i can say to make you see that the singularity is about the big bang and not before the big bang. It even says so in the first paragraph of the article you screenshot.

singularity is the dense mass that existed before big bang that caused infinite gravitational force.

It's basic physics that is undeniable

Workch:
I don't understand the question.
Did you mean gravitational singularity?

Sorry (autocorrect problem)

Since you are vastly more knowledgeable in physics than me, please educate me!

Is gravitational singleton singularity a varying entity or a static entity?

TenQ:

Sorry (autocorrect problem)

Since you are vastly more knowledgeable in physics than me, please educate me!

Is gravitational singleton singularity a varying entity or a static entity?

I don't know what you mean by gravitational singularity but I presume you are talking about the singularity that existed before the universe started expanding?

Workch:
I don't know what you mean by gravitational singularity but I presume you are talking about the singularity that existed before the universe started expanding?

It is also called Space-Time Singularity

In scientific terms, a gravitational singularity (or space-time singularity) is a location where the quantities that are used to measure the gravitational field become infinite in a way that does not depend on the coordinate system. In other words, it is a point in which all physical laws are indistinguishable from one another, where space and time are no longer interrelated realities, but merge indistinguishably and cease to have any independent meaning.
https://www.universetoday.com/84147/singularity/

TenQ:

It is also called Space-Time Singularity

it means you are talking about the singularity before the big bang. So what's the question again?

Workch:
it means you are talking about the singularity before the big bang. So what's the question again?

I said:

TenQ:

You want to redefine what a constant is?

In case you still don't get it,
Is gravitational singleton a varying entity or a static entity?

And you replied:

Workch:
Do you prefer if I start denigrating you or you want to understand how it works?

Then I said:

TenQ:

Since you are vastly more knowledgeable in physics than me, please educate me!

Is gravitational singularitysingleton a varying entity or a static entity?

Then you relied:


So, this is the question:
Since you insist gravitational singularity is a constant, Is gravitational singularity a varying entity or a static entity?

TenQ:

I said:

And you replied:


Then I said:

Then you relied:


So, this is the question:
Since you insist gravitational singularity is a constant, Is gravitational singularity a varying entity or a static entity?

The gravity of any close system will be static since it's equivalent to its mass.
However it doesn't means that it won't expand. It's just like saying that you have smoke particles in a container, it won't expand because it's mass and gravity is constant.

Doesn't make sense. And remember, there another force called the dark energy that causes the universe to expand, this doesn't in anyway mean that gravity is not constant across board.

Workch:
The gravity of any close system will be static since it's equivalent to its mass.
However it doesn't means that it won't expand. It's just like saying that you have smoke particles in a container, it won't expand because it's mass and gravity is constant.

Doesn't make sense. And remember, there another force called the dark energy that causes the universe to expand, this doesn't in anyway mean that gravity is not constant across board.

Something is static, yet expanding!?
Are you making sense to yourself?
Please dont forget that the gravitational singularity is a point of infinitely dense and infinitely small (in size) gravitational force and energy: therefore it cannot be treated as smoke in a container!

Sorry, it looks like you are complicating things: its like you are saying apart from the gravitational singularity, there exist dark matter" which caused the universe to expand.

Is this really what you are saying? (I have never read about any other force acting on the singularity!)

Secondly, gravity cannot be constant around the singularity as it obeys the inverse square law: what do you think?

TenQ:

Something is static, yet expanding!?
Are you making sense to yourself?
Please dont forget that the gravitational singularity is a point of infinitely dense and infinitely small (in size) gravitational force and energy: therefore it cannot be treated as smoke in a container!

Sorry, it looks like you are complicating things: its like you are saying apart from the gravitational singularity, there exist dark matter" which caused the universe to expand.

Is this really what you are saying? (I have never read about any other force acting on the singularity!)

Secondly, gravity cannot be constant around the singularity as it obeys the inverse square law: what do you think?

you don’t know science and you won’t calm down to learn.

What constant means in science is all the amount equals zero.

If we say gravity is constant, it doesn’t mean that it’s not moving, it means that the gravitational force in that system doesn’t change. The figure doesn’t change at any point


A falling object will always fall with acceleration due gravity of 9.8m/s^2, that’s a constant, it doesn’t mean that the object falling will not move.

TenQ:

Something is static, yet expanding!?
Are you making sense to yourself?
Please dont forget that the gravitational singularity is a point of infinitely dense and infinitely small (in size) gravitational force and energy: therefore it cannot be treated as smoke in a container!

Sorry, it looks like you are complicating things: its like you are saying apart from the gravitational singularity, there exist dark matter" which caused the universe to expand.

Is this really what you are saying? (I have never read about any other force acting on the singularity!)

Secondly, gravity cannot be constant around the singularity as it obeys the inverse square law: what do you think?

Let me give you another example of it will help you grasp it.

Law of conservation of energy says that the energy in a close system is always constant.
It doesn’t mean that the will not move.

What it means is that:
Total energy (mechanical + heat)= Constant, doesn’t mean that particles won’t move.
It means that even as they move, the energy amount won’t change.

Even as matter move, the total gravity of the system won’t change by figure. It remains constant

TenQ:

Something is static, yet expanding!?
Are you making sense to yourself?
Please dont forget that the gravitational singularity is a point of infinitely dense and infinitely small (in size) gravitational force and energy: therefore it cannot be treated as smoke in a container!

Sorry, it looks like you are complicating things: its like you are saying apart from the gravitational singularity, there exist dark matter" which caused the universe to expand.

Is this really what you are saying? (I have never read about any other force acting on the singularity!)

Secondly, gravity cannot be constant around the singularity as it obeys the inverse square law: what do you think?

How does inverse square law affects the gravitational force in a singularity?

Inverse square law is still obeyed, because gravity will reduce at every point as expansion occurs but the total gravitational force combined even as the universe expands is still constant. “Combined” is the key word, it remains constant at all times

You don’t even understand inverse square law, I wish you were in front of me so I can give you physical illustrations.

Workch:
you don’t know science and you won’t calm down to learn.

What constant means in science is all the amount equals zero.

If we say gravity is constant, it doesn’t mean that it’s not moving, it means that the gravitational force in that system doesn’t change. The figure doesn’t change at any point


A falling object will always fall with acceleration due gravity of 9.8m/s^2, that’s a constant, it doesn’t mean that the object falling will not move.

You still dont get the point:
The expansion of the gravitational singularity occured about 13.8 billion years ago and it is STILL expanding till today.
Where is the gravitational Singularity TODAY?
Is it still infinitely dense and small?

It has CHANGED because it is NOT a CONSTANT!

Th law of conservation of Energy is NOT the same thing as gravitational singularity: is it?

TenQ:

You still dont get the point:
The expansion of the gravitational singularity occured about 13.8 billion years ago and it is STILL expanding till today.
Where is the gravitational Singularity TODAY?
Is it still infinitely dense and small?

It has CHANGED because it is NOT a CONSTANT!

Th law of conservation of Energy is NOT the same thing as gravitational singularity: is it?

urggh, do you understand what a gravitational singularity is? It hasn’t change, all the gravitational force combined in the universe hasn’t changed, it was only dispersed overtime across board but the figure remains constant.

Workch:
How does inverse square law affects the gravitational force in a singularity?

Inverse square law is still obeyed, because gravity will reduce at every point as expansion occurs but the total gravitational force combined even as the universe expands is still constant. “Combined” is the key word, it remains constant at all times

You don’t even understand inverse square law, I wish you were in front of me so I can give you physical illustrations.

Here was what you said:

Workch:
The gravity of any close system will be static since it's equivalent to its mass.
However it doesn't means that it won't expand. It's just like saying that you have smoke particles in a container, it won't expand because it's mass and gravity is constant.

..

How can gravitational force field be constant everywhere around a singularity?

TenQ:

You still dont get the point:
The expansion of the gravitational singularity occured about 13.8 billion years ago and it is STILL expanding till today.
Where is the gravitational Singularity TODAY?
Is it still infinitely dense and small?

It has CHANGED because it is NOT a CONSTANT!

Th law of conservation of Energy is NOT the same thing as gravitational singularity: is it?

ok, let me bring so low for you to understand.

Gravitational singularity still exist today in blackholes but we are going to make this discussion based on the singularity before the Big Bang.

If the gravity in that singularity is for example 100newton before expansion, if it expanded by 10folds, it means that the force of 100N will be dispersed into the 10folds, like into 10places I.e. 10x10.
If you still add all the gravitational force in this 10 folds, it will still add up to the initial 100N in the preexisting singularity irrespective of the expansion. That’s what we mean by gravity is constant.


Hope you get now?