agabaI23:
Very funny opinion.
Can that student publish that work? You don't have to contribute if you have no ideas how things work.

@OP
Please there are three things here:
1. [/b]He is including you in the publication. That's the most you deserve[b]
2. He can be the senior author whereby you become the first author. This is expected but he may not know this. That's the rule world over. The position of a senior author is reserved for the supervisor.
3. Can you serve as the corresponding author? Can you confortably answer questions, make corrections, argue with reviewers about their attack on your submission? Most likely you cannot. Therefore you cannot be the corresponding author. You have a good supervisor.
Do what S/he asked you to do and get one publication down. It may come handy tomorrow.

Godseed:
I think your case is different from the OP. Your supervisor wanted to claim sole ownership. That is morally and professionally wrong. And punishable too. But in the case of the OP, this is an offer for co-authorship. That is standard practice world wide. The work does not belong to the student or supervisor ALONE. It's jointly owned.
The certification page simply attests that you actually carried out the research, collected original data and hopefully, you have learnt some skills in the process that your future employer or institution can bank on.
[/b]Oga, it does not mean you own the work[b]

studentwriter:
you mean the project work that you did copy and paste?

hilltop007:
My final year project supervisor called me to summarize my research work of 2 years for publication. He sent me a copy of one of his ex-student work that he published. It was only his ex student who did the work with guidance from my supervisor, but the published paper has two authors; my supervisor (main author) and his ex student. Only my supervisor's contact was also in the paper.

I strongly believe that's what he will also do with mine. Should I give him the go ahead? If I don't publish it, it will probably rot. Or is there a way for me to publish it myself?

meetme01:


Who owns the work? If you want to use the findings in your empirical, who would you quote? Want to learn more from your view.

hilltop007:
My final year project supervisor called me to summarize my research work of 2 years for publication. He sent me a copy of one of his ex-student work that he published. It was only his ex student who did the work with guidance from my supervisor, but the published paper has two authors; my supervisor (main author) and his ex student. Only my supervisor's contact was also in the paper.

I strongly believe that's what he will also do with mine. Should I give him the go ahead? If I don't publish it, it will probably rot. Or is there a way for me to publish it myself?

meetme01:


You probably did not read the submission properly.
The supervisor is not ready to acknowledge him as a co-author hence, my advice that he should request for what you just typed.

hilltop007:
He sent me a copy of one of his ex-student work that he published. It was only his ex student who did the work with guidance from my supervisor, but the published paper has two authors; my supervisor (main author) and his ex student. Only my supervisor's contact was also in the paper.

I strongly believe that's what he will also do with mine. [/b]Should I give him the go ahead? If I don't publish it, it will probably rot. Or is there a way for me to publish it myself?

meetme01:


You don't understand research work.

The researcher is the owner of the work and OP's name is attached to it has stated in the certification page (I certify that this research was carried out by .....) The supervisor can be sued for plagiarism and in a sane society, he would loose his lecturing job.

It once happened to me during my NYSC. I was doing my PGDE and my supervisor was interested in my research, he tried it with me. All I did was to send few lecturers to let him know, I'd take drastic actions. We later agreed to co-author the work which we both use.

OP, you are the researcher, your findings and recommendations is what you need to hold your supervisor's balls. Send close lecturers to him or the ex student to let them know if your work is plagiarised, you would take action(s)

ivolt:

Try to argue without sentiments.
It makes your contribution more credible.
You declared the OP wrong with no reason.


What makes it unethical?
The "research" is part of grading for a particular degree in which a student publication is not required
since the OP would have stated otherwise if it were the case.
The work belongs to the university.
The lecturer isn't required to publish the paper.
Now that he reached out to the student, the student could outrightly reject the publication
without any reason or negotiate a new arrangement.
One thing is clear, it is almost certain that he can never get the work published on his own that
is if he understands the work in the first place. Which reputable journal will accept a submission from a
random student who could have cooked up all the data in his room?


Which ethics make the demand and on whose authority are you making these claims


You still don't get it.
The fact that he did the grunt work doesn't make him an author.
Publication and grunt work are entirely separate discipline.
You would know better if you understand how research works gets published.

like1:

I really had a nice guy as a PhD supervisor. I remember my first ever first author publication, I was a PhD student (so not a staff of the University). The topic was given to me by my supervisor (idea his), he guided me on what and what calculations to do, he followed me up. So I was only doing the calculations and reporting to him. He drafted the manuscript, I prepared some figures which he later totally changed. I was the first author of the publication, his name was the last+corresponding author, another Professor and senior researcher who were part of the discussions were also authors in the paper. This is how it should be.

Stop treating young researchers and students badly. Yes the student cannot draft up and submit the article on his own, that is why there is a supervisor. Even though the idea of the work was yours, but no one forced you to accept the student, you should have been independent and do the so called 'grunt' work yourself and publish yourself.

It is academically unethical (check meaning of unethical as you were asking where the rules are written/authority) if a student principally did the so called 'grunt =(lab/field/computer)' work under your supervision and he/she gets 'shortchanged'.

Saying the University needs a staff bla bla, can be sorted out with email correspondence in the article and is not enough reason for the student who did the 'grunt' work not to be the first author.

We all know publications are not just about doing the lab work, more time is spent on writing, editing and analysing results and going through the publication review process which actually is the work of the supervisor for a 'fresh' student. But then these are not enough reasons to shortchange students. Stop academic maltreatment.

meetme01:


You don't understand research work.

The researcher is the owner of the work and OP's name is attached to it has stated in the certification page (I certify that this research was carried out by .....) The supervisor can be sued for plagiarism and in a sane society, he would loose his lecturing job.

It once happened to me during my NYSC. I was doing my PGDE and my supervisor was interested in my research, he tried it with me. All I did was to send few lecturers to let him know, I'd take drastic actions. We later agreed to co-author the work which we both use.

OP, you are the researcher, your findings and recommendations is what you need to hold your supervisor's balls. Send close lecturers to him or the ex student to let them know if your work is plagiarised, you would take action(s)

majorgr:
Actually you see most students don't know this, if it was your supervisor that conceptualize the work and gave you the idea on what to work on, then the work is actually his ideas, you only collected data and probably wrote the first draft. In this case, he is well deserving of first author because it was originally his idea. These days, ideas are not easy to come by, if they were why didn't you conceptualize the work? Also, I read somewhere and this is for a forieng institution that your desertation is the sole property of the university, they can decide to or not to include you even in the authors list, even if you take the university to court you can't win the case based on the existing rules. Thirdly, at the moment, you do not urgently need any publication for promotion so its ideal he becomes first author, publication are mostly needed in academia and I can see there is no urgency of you needing any paper at the moment based on your thoughts to let it rot. Besides, a good dissertation is a published one, wether first or last author you already score points as an author and you could use it to apply for scholarships if you are interested in furthering your studies, so it is one way or the other, in your best interest to get the work piblished. It was even nice of him to considered you as a co author, if you hear what other supervisors are doing eh you would be content.

majorgr:
Actually you see most students don't know this, if it was your supervisor that conceptualize the work and gave you the idea on what to work on, then the work is actually his ideas, you only collected data and probably wrote the first draft. In this case, he is well deserving of first author because it was originally his idea. These days, ideas are not easy to come by, if they were why didn't you conceptualize the work? Also, I read somewhere and this is for a forieng institution that your desertation is the sole property of the university, they can decide to or not to include you even in the authors list, even if you take the university to court you can't win the case based on the existing rules. Thirdly, at the moment, you do not urgently need any publication for promotion so its ideal he becomes first author, publication are mostly needed in academia and I can see there is no urgency of you needing any paper at the moment based on your thoughts to let it rot. Besides, a good dissertation is a published one, wether first or last author you already score points as an author and you could use it to apply for scholarships if you are interested in furthering your studies, so it is one way or the other, in your best interest to get the work piblished. It was even nice of him to considered you as a co author, if you hear what other supervisors are doing eh you would be content.

like1:


Don't be proud of doing the wrong thing, that you are based in Germany doesn't make it right. It's unethical, your student's name should come as first author and yours as last author/corresponding author even if you drafted the manuscript, so far your students primarily carried out the research. Even ethics also demand you should even add the students email as corresponding author. With that it is a win-win for all, both yourself and the student. You don't lose anything by doing the above, the student do not lose anything also and everyone is happy.

Mbbscentric:


Good afternoon sir, can I get you mail sir?

You are still arguing as an outsider.
As far as I know, PhD program requires students to have publications.
The numbers of publications vary by university and country.
If this guy had come here to complain that his lecturer wants to hijack the work he needs
for his degree, then that would be a different issue.
A lecturer supervising a PhD publication process is just doing his job.

[quote]
This is how it should be.

Stop treating young researchers and students badly. Yes the student cannot draft up and submit the article on his own, that is why there is a supervisor. Even though the idea of the work was yours, but no one forced you to accept the student, you should have been independent and do the so called 'grunt' work yourself and publish yourself.

It is academically unethical (check meaning of unethical as you were asking where the rules are written)

If a student principally did the so called 'grunt =(lab/field/computer)' work under your supervision and he/she gets 'shortchanged'.

Saying the University needs a staff bla bla, can be sorted out with email correspondence in the article and is not enough reason for the student who did the 'grunt' work not to be the first author.
[quote]
Where did you get this from?


[quote]
We all know publications are not just about doing the lab work, more time is spent on writing, editing and analysing results and going through the publication review process which actually is the work of the supervisor for a 'fresh' student. But then these are not enough reasons to shortchange students. Stop academic maltreatment.

hilltop007:
My final year project supervisor called me to summarize my research work of 2 years for publication. He sent me a copy of one of his ex-student work that he published. It was only his ex student who did the work with guidance from my supervisor, but the published paper has two authors; my supervisor (main author) and his ex student. Only my supervisor's contact was also in the paper.

I strongly believe that's what he will also do with mine. Should I give him the go ahead? If I don't publish it, it will probably rot. Or is there a way for me to publish it myself?

Factfinder1:
it's a normal thing in NIGERIA

intellectual theft is on the high rise in NIGERIAN institutions and no one does anything about it....a lecturer made made the whole class into groups forced us to make and publish journals online with our hard end money and asked us to us his name as the owner of all of the 15 jornals we published online...all for 10 Mark's

meetme01:


You don't understand research work.

The researcher is the owner of the work and OP's name is attached to it has stated in the certification page (I certify that this research was carried out by .....) The supervisor can be sued for plagiarism and in a sane society, he would loose his lecturing job.

It once happened to me during my NYSC. I was doing my PGDE and my supervisor was interested in my research, he tried it with me. All I did was to send few lecturers to let him know, I'd take drastic actions. We later agreed to co-author the work which we both use.

OP, you are the researcher, your findings and recommendations is what you need to hold your supervisor's balls. Send close lecturers to him or the ex student to let them know if your work is plagiarised, you would take action(s)

hilltop007:
My final year project supervisor called me to summarize my research work of 2 years for publication. He sent me a copy of one of his ex-student work that he published. It was only his ex student who did the work with guidance from my supervisor, but the published paper has two authors; my supervisor (main author) and his ex student. Only my supervisor's contact was also in the paper.

I strongly believe that's what he will also do with mine. Should I give him the go ahead? If I don't publish it, it will probably rot. Or is there a way for me to publish it myself?

ajl:


Young man, first count yourself worthy that you have a supervisor who found your research work good enough to be published. I was in the academic community for a while and had multiple publications as a graduate student and later as a research scientist. It is the norm in academia that the supervisor is responsible for the research, even though you carried out the work. Imagine, you with just four years of university education wanting to claim "the owner" of a research work supervised by someone who possibly has decades of experience. The tradition is to put the name of the student or individual who carried out the research as the first author and the name of others, if more than one, comes after, while the name of supervisor come last. Only the supervisor contact like email and phone no. will be included.. All correspondence will be done with him.. You will get the credit of the first author, meaning that if another author cited your work in the future, your name comes first as "John Doe and......". If there are more than two authors, your name appear in the body of text as "John Doe et al. ...... It's only in the reference section that all the names of the authors get listed.

Let me ask you, can you defend every aspects of the research? In your mind, you already assume that your manuscript will be accepted. Often it doesn't happen that way. You might get rejected and then have to send it to another Journal. And in case it is accepted on condition that you defend the points raised by journal reviewers, can you write a response that will convince the reviewers to accept your manuscript. Sometimes they may even suggest you carry out additional research to prove your claims.

It's common that if you as a novice author put your name as the principal author, your manuscript may get rejected because you have no reputation yet in that field and reviewers wouldn't think that your work is good enough. The name of your supervisor, if he is already a well established author, give you credibility.
Why not try this? Remove the name of your supervisor and put only your name, and let us see if you can get published on your own. Of course, only "gbatueyo" journal with no quality and pedigree will accept to publish your work.

Young man, calm down and let credit be given to whom it's due. Remember that one day you too may end up supervising another student. It's supposed to be mutual benefit. I remember I got my supervisor in one of the institutions in North America his first ever publication in one of the most reputable scientific journal, Environmental Science and Technology. I remember that when we received journal reviewers first response, he gave it to me to go and come up with our own response. He then worked on it. Imagine, at that point I already had a PhD working as a Post-doctoral fellow under him,, a professor for more than two decades.. Here you are with no degree to your name and you are already dragging role with your supervisor. Be humble. For now, your supervisor own the work.

hilltop007:
My final year project supervisor called me to summarize my research work of 2 years for publication. He sent me a copy of one of his ex-student work that he published. It was only his ex student who did the work with guidance from my supervisor, but the published paper has two authors; my supervisor (main author) and his ex student. Only my supervisor's contact was also in the paper.

I strongly believe that's what he will also do with mine. Should I give him the go ahead? If I don't publish it, it will probably rot. Or is there a way for me to publish it myself?

majorgr:
Actually you see most students don't know this, if it was your supervisor that conceptualize the work and gave you the idea on what to work on, then the work is actually his ideas, you only collected data and probably wrote the first draft. In this case, he is well deserving of first author because it was originally his idea. These days, ideas are not easy to come by, if they were why didn't you conceptualize the work? Also, I read somewhere and this is for a forieng institution that your desertation is the sole property of the university, they can decide to or not to include you even in the authors list, even if you take the university to court you can't win the case based on the existing rules. Thirdly, at the moment, you do not urgently need any publication for promotion so its ideal he becomes first author, publication are mostly needed in academia and I can see there is no urgency of you needing any paper at the moment based on your thoughts to let it rot. Besides, a good dissertation is a published one, wether first or last author you already score points as an author and you could use it to apply for scholarships if you are interested in furthering your studies, so it is one way or the other, in your best interest to get the work piblished. It was even nice of him to considered you as a co author, if you hear what other supervisors are doing eh you would be content.

hilltop007:
My final year project supervisor called me to summarize my research work of 2 years for publication. He sent me a copy of one of his ex-student work that he published. It was only his ex student who did the work with guidance from my supervisor, but the published paper has two authors; my supervisor (main author) and his ex student. Only my supervisor's contact was also in the paper.

I strongly believe that's what he will also do with mine. Should I give him the go ahead? If I don't publish it, it will probably rot. Or is there a way for me to publish it myself?

hilltop007:
My final year project supervisor called me to summarize my research work of 2 years for publication. He sent me a copy of one of his ex-student work that he published. It was only his ex student who did the work with guidance from my supervisor, but the published paper has two authors; my supervisor (main author) and his ex student. Only my supervisor's contact was also in the paper.

I strongly believe that's what he will also do with mine. Should I give him the go ahead? If I don't publish it, it will probably rot. Or is there a way for me to publish it myself?

deadie:

Sorry, but why? I wouldn't drop me email publicly sorry. Drop yours and your reason for wanting my contact and I will get in touch if I believe that it is necessary.

hilltop007:
I graduated 2 years ago. Currently undergoing NYSC. he called me to summarize the work so he can publish it.