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Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by meetme01: 12:22pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
agabaI23: You probably did not read the submission properly. The supervisor is not ready to acknowledge him as a co-author hence, my advice that he should request for what you just typed. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by meetme01: 12:26pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
Godseed: Who owns the work? If you want to use the findings in your empirical, who would you quote? Want to learn more from your view. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by spencekat(m): 12:29pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
studentwriter:Not every student does cut and paste. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by benji93: 12:35pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
It's normal for your supervisor to make the authorship list. If you are the major contributor and you are placed as the first author, that's fine. And that's credit enough. In the western world, having your supervisor's name on a paper provides an important boost in the publication process, especially if they are good researchers. hilltop007: 2 Likes |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by Godseed: 12:40pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
It is academic sin if you cite a multi-author paper in such a way that it appears a single author paper, even when done in error. Single author (Olu, 2003) Two authors (Olu and Add 2003) Three or more (Olu et al, 2003) et al means and others. Even then this is only permitted in the body of the work. Your reference list should list all the contributors to the paper. It might interest you to know that many reputable journal will not accept a single author manuscript. They expect good research to be multidisciplinary or at least require two good heads. There might be variations but basics is the same. meetme01: |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by Solatium(m): 12:43pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
hilltop007: If your supervisor is yet to get his PhD/Full Prof this will be part of what will form that decision of confering one on him/her. it is nothing New,it is part of the mandatory requirements that they must have supervised a certain number of students. 1 Like |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by agabaI23(m): 12:44pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
meetme01:Are you sure you understood what he wrote? hilltop007:Did you read that highlighted portion? |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by Potch: 12:53pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
meetme01: This is not entirely true. 1. The research work is an intellectual property of the institution that awards the degree. Without your research work, degree cannot be awarded and the original copy signed by the examiners stays in the department. This is not saying the department can publish your work. 2. Authorship of paper has to do with those who contribute to its intellectual contents including the conception of the research, data collection, writing and final approval of the manuscript. In American standard, the owner of a lab and by extension a supervisor is the leader, which is why his or her names appear as the last author. Most undergraduate projects right from its conception to the final draft is usually done by the supervisor and reason why he is the first author in some other climes. 3. Postgraduate programs (Research MSc and PhD) is entirely different. The objective is to train someone who can independently conceive and carry out a research work with a minimal supervision. In some schools, you cannot even graduate if you dont have a published paper, and no supervisor will put his or her name as the first author or publishes the work without the student's knowledge. For PhD, you may have to publish at least three papers before you can graduate or submit your thesis for examination. 4. Plagiarism is when you present someone's ideas, work, principles etc. as your own without acknowledging the original author. This happens when you fail to cite appropriately. 2 Likes |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by like1: 12:54pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
ivolt:I really had a nice guy as a PhD supervisor. I remember my first ever first author publication, I was a PhD student (so not a staff of the University). The topic was given to me by my supervisor (idea his), he guided me on what and what calculations to do, he followed me up. So I was only doing the calculations and reporting to him. He drafted the manuscript, I prepared some figures which he later totally changed. I was the first author of the publication, his name was the last+corresponding author, another Professor and senior researcher who were part of the discussions were also authors in the paper. This is how it should be. Stop treating young researchers and students badly. Yes the student cannot draft up and submit the article on his own, that is why there is a supervisor. Even though the idea of the work was yours, but no one forced you to accept the student, you should have been independent and do the so called 'grunt' work yourself and publish yourself. It is academically unethical (check meaning of unethical as you were asking where the rules are written) if a student principally did the so called 'grunt =(lab/field/computer)' work under your supervision and he/she gets 'shortchanged'. Saying the University needs a staff bla bla, can be sorted out with email correspondence in the article and is not enough reason for the student who did the 'grunt' work not to be the first author. We all know publications are not just about doing the lab work, more time is spent on writing, editing and analysing results and going through the publication review process which actually is the work of the supervisor for a 'fresh' student. But then these are not enough reasons to shortchange students. Stop academic maltreatment. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by like1: 12:56pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
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Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by McLizbae: 1:05pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
meetme01: You lie! If I have my on going project and give you (my student) to work on so as to fulfill the requirements for your degree, the degree is yours, but research remain mine. You can now show me the way to you court room. Nansense! |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by mozes01(m): 1:06pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
this one here no concern me, i kukuma dull pass buhari so no problem even if my class rep wan join the supervisor take the credit |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by majola(m): 1:08pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
You are wrong please. Base on NUC regulations, the candidate has outright authority over any research work conducted. In an event where the research work is to be published, the candidate will be the main author while the supervisor the co-author. My understanding here is that the supervisor is desperate for promotion hence the need to publish the research. Also, perhaps it could be that he find the research vert interesting and want to publish it. In any case, the candidate MUST be the main author as stated earlier. I once worked as a lecturer with one of the federal government universities before leaving the country. majorgr: 1 Like |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by majola(m): 1:09pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
You are wrong please. Base on NUC regulations, the candidate has outright authority over any research work conducted. In an event where the research work is to be published, the candidate will be the main author while the supervisor the co-author. My understanding here is that the supervisor is desperate for promotion hence the need to publish the research. Also, perhaps it could be that he find the research very interesting and want to publish it. In any case, the candidate MUST be the main author as stated earlier. I once worked as a lecturer with one of the federal government universities before leaving the country. majorgr: |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by majola(m): 1:13pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
If you do t know the rules guiding academic research, please ask. But don't come here and confuse people by telling lies. No supervisor has total authority over any academic research conducted Ted by his/her research student. This can only be if the candidate is Fully-funded by the supervisor or the universiry. Anything outside that, it is an outright violation and can attract serious consequences. I am a university lecturer and I know the rules very well. quote author=McLizbae post=107048606] You lie! If I have my on going project and give you (my student) to work on so as to fulfill the requirements for your degree, the degree is yours, but research remain mine. You can now show me the way to you court room. Nansense! [/quote] |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by Vetsolo(m): 1:38pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
Op find a good journal publish ur work put him as second author |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by deadie(m): 1:47pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
like1: Unethical to develop a code, design every aspect of the research project and have the student generate the data? I could do the work in perhaps less than half the time the student did it. You speak and reach conclusions out of ignorance. By the way, I did mention "based on the input of the supervisor" in the original post. People here are not timid and no one can be victimized. Hence I wouldn't request to be the first author in the first place if I don't believe that my input merits it. The thing is that students usually feel like they are Einstein after completing a work under supervision. It is easy for the student to forget after 5-6 months of the project that it took them perhaps a week to even understand the concept and what needs to be done. But after you have taken time and effort to explain things and provide the necessary tools, the student forgets everything you did when they finally grasp the work and are able to perform their tasks. I have been in that position. Only a few students are able to see the complete picture and recognize the contribution of the supervisor. The student who insisted on being the first author believes that her own contribution merited that. I scored her the best possible grade. Of course her thesis is somewhere in her bedroom and no one know about it. Head of research groups in most cases want to be the last author. Perhaps you know some things about research but little about being a team player/minor politics that is sometimes necessary. I have given up chances of being the last author for works that I supervised to be the second author instead because the last author position was more important to someone else and the student deserved the first author position. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by deadie(m): 2:19pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
Mbbscentric:Sorry, but why? I wouldn't drop me email publicly sorry. Drop yours and your reason for wanting my contact and I will get in touch if I believe that it is necessary. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by ivolt: 2:36pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
[quote author=like1 post=107048340] I really had a nice guy as a PhD supervisor. I remember my first ever first author publication, I was a PhD student (so not a staff of the University). The topic was given to me by my supervisor (idea his), he guided me on what and what calculations to do, he followed me up. So I was only doing the calculations and reporting to him. He drafted the manuscript, I prepared some figures which he later totally changed. I was the first author of the publication, his name was the last+corresponding author, another Professor and senior researcher who were part of the discussions were also authors in the paper. Nope. Issues should be analyzed based on context. This "research" will rot without the lecturers interest as the OP claims and he wasn't planning on publishing until the lecturer reached out to him. When someone is doing you a favor that is not part of their job and you never expected in the first place, the rational thing to do is to either reject the favor or accept that they will have a stake even a major one in it. Nope. For the most part, supervisors aren't there to help you publish papers. Even for PhDs where publication may be part of the program, the level of involvement is still the supervisors prerogative. Circular reasoning won't help you out here. "It is bad because it is academically bad" does not even qualify as an argument. You have thrown in another irrelevant word "shortchanged". You can only be shortchanged if someone breached an agreement. In this case, there was no agreement. A lecturer reached out with a proposal. A mature response is not crying about being cheated of something you didn't even know you had. Either accept or reject the proposal. Stop feeling entitled. I don't know your PhD specialty but I am sure sentimental reasoning was not part of your thesis. Try to apply similar logical reasoning to this issue so you can see it clearly. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by ajl: 2:47pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
hilltop007: Young man, first count yourself worthy that you have a supervisor who found your research work good enough to be published. I was in the academic community for a while and had multiple publications as a graduate student and later as a research scientist. It is the norm in academia that the supervisor is responsible for the research, even though you carried out the work. Imagine, you with just four years of university education wanting to claim "the owner" of a research work supervised by someone who possibly has decades of experience. The tradition is to put the name of the student or individual who carried out the research as the first author and the name of others, if more than one, comes after, while the name of supervisor come last. Only the supervisor contact like email and phone no. will be included.. All correspondence will be done with him.. You will get the credit of the first author, meaning that if another author cited your work in the future, your name comes first as "John Doe and......". If there are more than two authors, your name appear in the body of text as "John Doe et al. ...... It's only in the reference section that all the names of the authors get listed. Let me ask you, can you defend every aspects of the research? In your mind, you already assume that your manuscript will be accepted. Often it doesn't happen that way. You might get rejected and then have to send it to another Journal. And in case it is accepted on condition that you defend the points raised by journal reviewers, can you write a response that will convince the reviewers to accept your manuscript. Sometimes they may even suggest you carry out additional research to prove your claims. It's common that if you as a novice author put your name as the principal author, your manuscript may get rejected because you have no reputation yet in that field and reviewers wouldn't think that your work is good enough. The name of your supervisor, if he is already a well established author, give you credibility. Why not try this? Remove the name of your supervisor and put only your name, and let us see if you can get published on your own. Of course, only "gbatueyo" journal with no quality and pedigree will accept to publish your work. Young man, calm down and let credit be given to whom it's due. Remember that one day you too may end up supervising another student. It's supposed to be mutual benefit. I remember I got my supervisor in one of the institutions in North America his first ever publication in one of the most reputable scientific journal, Environmental Science and Technology. I remember that when we received journal reviewers first response, he gave it to me to go and come up with our own response. He then worked on it. Imagine, at that point I already had a PhD working as a Post-doctoral fellow under him,, a professor for more than two decades.. Here you are with no degree to your name and you are already dragging role with your supervisor. For now, your supervisor own the work. In that my case above, I did 100% of the bench-work, from research design to lab work, and data analysis. And I wrote the manuscript with final input from my supervisor. But he provided the lab space, funding, and reputation. His name actually got me a job in the oil and gas industry. Yes, that's the kind of benefit you get if you work with one of the top professors in a field of science. Humble yourself because you are just starting out. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by Beninwitch: 2:50pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
Factfinder1: That's wicked and extreme. Haba! |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by clerc(m): 2:50pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
meetme01: He's not plagiarizing his work, it's the same research work,and they will both be on the manuscript as authors. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by clerc(m): 2:56pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
hilltop007: That's the way it's done, if you want to be the main author as well as the corresponding author then you should talk to him. However, that means you will take care of the manuscript from conception till it gets published. His contact was on that manuscript because he is corresponding author. Some journals do put the contacts of all the authors while others don't. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by deadie(m): 2:56pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
ajl: You got a like from me��. Couldn't be better put. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by trilobite: 3:33pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
hilltop007: He wants to publish it where?!! In a rubbish non-peer reviewed journal?. Please let him!! If your aim is to become a renowned researcher, having such publications on your CV will become a bad stench. Even if his name is first, you can try to scam him into making you the corresponding author or vice versa. The corresponding author in a paper is very important. So you have two choices: 1. He takes first author while you become the corresponding. 2. You take first author while he takes the corresponding author position. Cheers. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by numericalguy(m): 3:37pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
majorgr: Not only are you a liar you are also an academic fraud and a disgrace to accademia. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by corbanstevee: 3:56pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
1. Give him 2. Get your lawyer to draft an intellectual agreement document (if you want state that you yourself be made the main author and him the other author) 3. State in your document 60m to sell the right to research while he’s the main author and you yourself the other author) 4. Document your conversation with your supervisor in case he said he’s no longer interested in all the above in the event that later if he mistakenly publish it he should be made to pay the sum above times 100����. Be smart, it’s your intellectual property and ensure you protect it either by registering or with copyright agency now. Bless. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by Youngdozzy(m): 4:16pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
hilltop007: Welcome to the Nigerian Academia. It is the norms, don't overthink it. I just finished my final year project too and yes it was a tedious project but guess what, in my own case I am the person redrafting it to make I ready and worthy for publication and guess who the main author will be, my supervisor of course, also another lecturer in the department who didn't contribute in any way will be a co-author and I'll be the third author. It's bad yes but I don't wanna even stress myself over it, I've got other important things to worry about. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by Bikky302(f): 4:22pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
hilltop007:That's how they do na. For most Nigerian institution. Supervisor becomes the First author irrespective of little or no input at all. It's not the norm sha. But this is Nigeria, anything goes 1 Like |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by peacettw: 4:24pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
I don't see what the problem is. Same thing happened to me and I was told by my peers that I was lucky to have my name included in the paper. From your story, your supervisor is principled and has your best interest at heart. Otherwise, he will publish that work without your input in any form. Is this the best practice? No but like you rightly surmised, in your care, that work may not be published in the next decade. In my opinion, count this as a win. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by Mbbscentric(m): 5:34pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
deadie: I want you to intern/mentor me on the nooks and crannies of research work, I am a fourth-year student in a five years course. I believe a ride through how to achieve research work will help me a lot. |
Re: My project supervisor wants to take credit for my research work by generalwo(m): 5:52pm On Oct 25, 2021 |
hilltop007:.. Babe leave the man . Do werin he tell u.... U can even use this to your advantage to get close to him... Who knows u may get something more than that from him for your loyalty |
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