achorladey:

And his master commended the steward, though unrighteous, because he acted with practical wisdom; for the sons of this system of things are wiser in a practical way toward their own generation than the sons of the light are.
Look at the discussion between LordReed and you and see who has been more practical. In the final analysis you agree that nothing stops ATHEIST from meeting together to incite themselves to fine work. Baba E gbe regimented thinking si le. Calling people mad, insane and were didn’t increase the length of life by an inch
Go and humble yourself before God's people so they can help you see the light...... MaxInDHouse
Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. 1 Peter 5:6
Your religious leaders and organisation is your God. Na regimented thinking cause am

We are trained to use wisdom by drawing them out of their box then display what is real understanding to them, that's what you did not grasp between the atheist and i but let me simplify it for you.

I said "atheists have no practical reason why they should come together to encourage one another to take things cool with life's anxieties" Hebrews 10:24-25

A trick to draw him out of his comfort zone!

He decided to know more by asking me why i concluded that way, so i used the opportunity to ship in Jesus' teachings on how people can achieve real peace, the atheist tried to exhibit the agenda of their group but i made him see that their thoughts are common knowledge everywhere so he wants to run back into his box that's why he is insisting that they can make peace reign in their midst (without the spirit of God) that's why i told him that they will surely gather but to make peace reign in the gathering of imperfect humans can only be possible with the spirit of God there!

The atheist knew i want to beat his intelligence that's why he's pretending not to get the sense of what i'm saying.
Can he present any gathering of atheists where peace is reigning to the extent that they will not raise weapons against their fellow members? The answer is NO!

Now over to you, do you think imperfect humans can make peace reign in their gathering without the spirit of God?
Remember only Jesus is the Prince of Peace and atheists don't want to have anything to do with Jesus or his teachings.

So answer the question and prove that the atheist truly appreciate thoughtful discussion!

If you don't answer the question i'll ignore you again as i often do to mad people, the question again:

Is it possible for imperfect humans like the gathering of atheists to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering without God?

A YES or NO will do then you can explain further!

hupernikao:



I never said that. You assume alot for me. I still have much to study which I still.

So we can share notes on study journey

Ok so do you know what is the wrong teaching?

MaxInDHouse:


We are trained to use wisdom by drawing them out of their box then display what is real understanding to them, that's what you did not grasp between the atheist and i but let me simplify it for you.

I said "atheists have no practical reason why they should come together to encourage one another to take things cool with life's anxieties" Hebrews 10:24-25

A trick to draw him out of his comfort zone!

He decided to know more by asking me why i concluded that way, so i used the opportunity to ship in Jesus' teachings on how people can achieve real peace, the atheist tried to exhibit the agenda of their group but i made him see that their thoughts are common knowledge everywhere so he wants to run back into his box that's why he is insisting that they can make peace reign in their midst (without the spirit of God) that's why i told him that they will surely gather but to make peace reign in the gathering of imperfect humans can only be possible with the spirit of God there!

The atheist knew i want to beat his intelligence that's why he's pretending not to get the sense of what i'm saying.
Can he present any gathering of atheists where peace is reigning to the extent that they will not raise weapons against their fellow members? The answer is NO!

Now over to you, do you think imperfect humans can make peace reign in their gathering without the spirit of God?
Remember only Jesus is the Prince of Peace and atheists don't want to have anything to do with Jesus or his teachings.

So answer the question and prove that the atheist truly appreciate thoughtful discussion!

If you don't answer the question i'll ignore you again as i often do to mad people, the question again:

Is it possible for imperfect humans like the gathering of atheists to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering without God?

A YES or NO will do then you can explain further!

So you lied just so you can preach about your organisation? LMFAO!

LordReed:

So you lied just so you can preach about your organisation? LMFAO!

LIES? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
It's just a trick to draw you out of the comfort zone of atheistic mindset.

The truth remains that you can never find any organized people in whose midst LOVE, JOY and PEACE will reign to the extent of settling all issues amicably within themselves without having to raise weapons against themselves.

Your Church of Satan may try to be intelligent in helping to resolve disputes and prejudice amongst their members but in the face of politics and racism everything they build will be destroyed within seconds and you'll see members picking up weapons to KILL their fellow members. WHY? Because the real spirit they supposed to bow to is missing in their gathering:

LordReed:

VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
I see in it no call to pick up weapons against your fellows.

The highlighted is what i'm telling you that there is no human society where people sits down and forget to include this in their agenda but research has proved that it has never been possible ever since humans have been gathering to form organizations except last century when Jehovah's Witnesses organization kicked off with their own work.
Only this group has been throughout the world to fetch for members and made it possible in their gathering that none of their members is into politics and racism which is the fuel escalating hatred and killings everywhere!

MaxInDHouse:


LIES? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
It's just a trick to draw you out of the comfort zone of atheistic mindset.

So yeah you lied. LMFAO!

LordReed:

So yeah you lied. LMFAO!

You don't know the meaning of "LIE"

No human society can make things cool with life's anxieties because we are imperfect but with God's Active Force permeating their gathering this is possible!

Looking at them intently, Jesus said to them: “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:26

Your Church of Satan can't make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering without the SPIRIT of God that they don't want to talk about!

MaxInDHouse:


You don't know the meaning of "LIE"

It's you who doesn't know the meaning. You confessed that you wrote something that is not true in other to trick me, that is the definition of lying. LoL!

LordReed:


Ok so do you know what is the wrong teaching?

When I see one I know, that is what is called discernment.

Also know that there are rules that governs Bible interpretations. Even though it is God's inspiration, the moment it is written in human language and involve human culture, the text must be within the usage of their time and we must not give it our own meaning or modern meaning.

One very basics is that if it's truly inspired by one person for one purpose, to one humanity, then the authors writings must all agree in interpretation irrespective of their time and culture.

Hence, my interpretation must be consistent in all books where a concept can be found.

hupernikao:


When I see one I know, that is what is called discernment.

Also know that there are rules that governs Bible interpretations. Even though it is God's inspiration, the moment it is written in human language and involve human culture, the text must be within the usage of their time and we must not give it our own meaning or modern meaning.

One very basics is that if it's truly inspired by one person for one purpose, to one humanity, then the authors writings must all agree in interpretation irrespective of their time and culture.

Hence, my interpretation must be consistent in all books where a concept can be found.

So basically anyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

LordReed:

It's you who doesn't know the meaning. You confessed that you wrote something that is not true in other to trick me, that is the definition of lying. LoL!

Walahi talahi you're a real clown!

So when someone rephrased something to get you out of your atheistic thinking box that makes the person a LIAR, shey?

Hilarious!

LordReed:


So basically anyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

This is still an assumption. You left the very basis of Bible interpretation i mentioned which is accepted by all bible students (whether he knows the bible correctly or not)

I already gave you a simple basis for bible interpretation. That guides every true bible students. That is the consistency of the interpretation all through the books. There is no true bible student who doesnt agree that the books were inspired of God. Hence if inspired of God, it must bear the same resemblance of the inspiration.

This isnt what i believe, this is what all bible believer believes from Moses, till Isaiah, till Jesus, Paul, and till date. So it is not about who is wrong, it is about checking the consistency with other writers in the bible.

hupernikao:


This is still an assumption. You left the very basis of Bible interpretation i mentioned which is accepted by all bible students (whether he knows the bible correctly or not)

I already gave you a simple basis for bible interpretation. That guides every true bible students. That is the consistency of the interpretation all through the books. There is no true bible student who doesnt agree that the books were inspired of God. Hence if inspired of God, it must bear the same resemblance of the inspiration.

This isnt what i believe, this is what all bible believer believes from Moses, till Isaiah, till Jesus, Paul, and till date. So it is not about who is wrong, it is about checking the consistency with other writers in the bible.

We both know that all Christians do not believe or interprete the Bible exactly the way you do so we cannot rely on agreement as the method since if there was agreement there be no disputes. You must then have a way of verification that doesn't rely on agreement.

MaxInDHouse:


Walahi talahi you're a real clown!

So when someone rephrased something to get you out of your atheistic thinking box that makes the person a LIAR, shey?

Hilarious!

You wrote what is patently untrue so the clown here is you.

MaxInDHouse:


We are trained to use wisdom by drawing them out of their box then display what is real understanding to them, that's what you did not grasp between the atheist and i but let me simplify it for you.

I said "atheists have no practical reason why they should come together to encourage one another to take things cool with life's anxieties" Hebrews 10:24-25

A trick to draw him out of his comfort zone!

He decided to know more by asking me why i concluded that way, so i used the opportunity to ship in Jesus' teachings on how people can achieve real peace, the atheist tried to exhibit the agenda of their group but i made him see that their thoughts are common knowledge everywhere so he wants to run back into his box that's why he is insisting that they can make peace reign in their midst (without the spirit of God) that's why i told him that they will surely gather but to make peace reign in the gathering of imperfect humans can only be possible with the spirit of God there!

The atheist knew i want to beat his intelligence that's why he's pretending not to get the sense of what i'm saying.
Can he present any gathering of atheists where peace is reigning to the extent that they will not raise weapons against their fellow members? The answer is NO!

Now over to you, do you think imperfect humans can make peace reign in their gathering without the spirit of God?
Remember only Jesus is the Prince of Peace and atheists don't want to have anything to do with Jesus or his teachings.

So answer the question and prove that the atheist truly appreciate thoughtful discussion!

If you don't answer the question i'll ignore you again as i often do to mad people, the question again:

Is it possible for imperfect humans like the gathering of atheists to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering without God?

A YES or NO will do then you can explain further!

After trying to interprete a scripture I cited with all your narrative you will still have to read and read it again.

Is it possible for imperfect humans like the gathering of atheists to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering without God?.... MaxInDHouse

And his master commended the steward, though unrighteous, because he acted with practical wisdom; for the sons of this system of things are wiser in a practical way toward their own generation than the sons of the light are.


Read the above again or accept the remarks of LordReed.

I will repeat, calling people mad no go add an inch to your life. If you respond deliberately or unknowingly na your palaver. If you like continue to deny by hiding under you want to draw out LordReed. Na still your palaver. No be today we sabi your forward and backward thinking panel beated with regimentation

LordReed:


You wrote what is patently untrue so the clown here is you.

Na denial remain for MaxInDHouse. He needs a reminder of his post earlier

You (MaxInDHouse) said "Atheism gives no room for interchange of encouragement or how to cope with life's anxieties..."

and my (LordReed) question is what specifically about atheism says we can't meet? Can you now answer the question?

MaxInDHouse this is what you kept running away from until posted the below ........

Of course you(LordReed) will meet but it will not workout because the only person who can make it work is missing in your gathering...... MaxInDHouse

You even added another clause by introducing but it will not workout.

Mr MaxInDHouse can keep the denial going na him way.

Firefoxy:


You seem mentally ill. One cannot make sense of anything you’re saying.

Dtruthspeaker..a lady has noticed too..please you really need help..

I will pay for it..send me your account let me credit you to buy card at the hospital...please stop doing this to your self. If you are not ashamed..I am for you..


Please.

achorladey:


Na denial remain for MaxInDHouse. He needs a reminder of his post earlier

You (MaxInDHouse) said "Atheism gives no room for interchange of encouragement or how to cope with life's anxieties..."

and my (LordReed) question is what specifically about atheism says we can't meet? Can you now answer the question?

MaxInDHouse this is what you kept running away from until posted the below ........

Of course you(LordReed) will meet but it will not workout because the only person who can make it work is missing in your gathering...... MaxInDHouse

You even added another clause by introducing but it will not workout.

Mr MaxInDHouse can keep the denial going na him way.

Na so im be.

LordReed:

You wrote what is patently untrue so the clown here is you.

JWs have used Jesus' teachings to settled all their racial disparities so they will never raise weapons against anyone talkless their fellow believers!
Do you know any group at all that you can vouch for like that?
Well when i say atheists can never succeed in taking things cool with life's anxieties that's exactly what i mean!

achorladey:

After trying to interprete a scripture I cited with all your narrative you will still have to read and read it again.
Is it possible for imperfect humans like the gathering of atheists to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering without God?.... MaxInDHouse
And his master commended the steward, though unrighteous, because he acted with practical wisdom; for the sons of this system of things are wiser in a practical way toward their own generation than the sons of the light are.
Read the above again or accept the remarks of LordReed.
I will repeat, calling people mad no go add an inch to your life. If you respond deliberately or unknowingly na your palaver. If you like continue to deny by hiding under you want to draw out LordReed. Na still your palaver. No be today we sabi your forward and backward thinking panel beated with regimentation

Just a YES or NO will solve this then you can explain later.

The question again:

Can imperfect humans like atheists make LOVE, JOY and PEACE (which are the qualities of God's Holy Spirit) reign in their midst without having to consider Jesus' teachings?

sonmvayina:


Dtruthspeaker..a lady has noticed too..please you really need help..

I will pay for it..send me your account let me credit you to buy card at the hospital...please stop doing this to your self. If you are not ashamed..I am for you..

Please.

Every Satanist and Hater of God is you whether male, female, hermaphrodite, animal etc so go back to your room in psychiatric hospital and wait for them to join you.

MaxInDHouse:


Just a YES or NO will solve this then you can explain later.

The question again:

Can imperfect humans like atheists make LOVE, JOY and PEACE (which are the qualities of God's Holy Spirit) reign in their midst without having to consider Jesus' teachings?

This is what Jesus your master says.....

And his master commended the steward, though unrighteous, because he acted with practical wisdom; for the sons of this system of things are wiser in a practical way toward their own generation than the sons of the light are.

Awon deliberately chatting people calling people mad everywhere now seeks a YES/NO answer. You want to save face abi?

achorladey:


This is what Jesus your master says.....

And his master commended the steward, though unrighteous, because he acted with practical wisdom; for the sons of this system of things are wiser in a practical way toward their own generation than the sons of the light are.

Awon deliberately chatting people calling people mad everywhere know seeks a YES/NO answer. You want to save face abi?

It's OK you are not ready!

MaxInDHouse:


It's OK you are not ready!

Or you wa want to look elsewhere. Here it is again.


for the sons of this system of things are wiser in a practical way toward their own generation than the sons of the light are.

Na your master talk am. Remove that regimented kind and form of thinking comot.

LordReed:


We both know that all Christians do not believe or interprete the Bible exactly the way you do so we cannot rely on agreement as the method since if there was agreement there be no disputes. You must then have a way of verification that doesn't rely on agreement.

Exactly what i am saying.

There are rules that must govern interpretation.

I gave you one that is very central to anyone who claim to be a believer. We all accept the fact that God inspired the scriptures' hence all writer's interpretation of the scriptures cannot contradict each other else it will negate a singular inspiration.

So, can we have people with different opinions? Yes, but does the bible have more than one opinion on a text? No. So our duty is to find the opinion of the bible and the writers, that is when you have the right interpretation. And what guides you, is the fact that all writers say the same thing.

hupernikao:


Exactly what i am saying.

There are rules that must govern interpretation.

I gave you one that is very central to anyone who claim to be a believer. We all accept the fact that God inspired the scriptures' hence all writer's interpretation of the scriptures cannot contradict each other else it will negate a singular inspiration.

So, can we have people with different opinions? Yes, but does the bible have more than one opinion on a text? No. So our duty is to find the opinion of the bible and the writers, that is when you have the right interpretation. And what guides you, is the fact that all writers say the same thing.

The writers aren't here to be asked what they meant so by necessity you are interpreting their words so would someone else who doesn't agree with you. How can we know who between you 2 is correct?

MaxInDHouse:


JWs have used Jesus' teachings to settled all their racial disparities so they will never raise weapons against anyone talkless their fellow believers!
Do you know any group at all that you can vouch for like that?
Well when i say atheists can never succeed in taking things cool with life's anxieties that's exactly what i mean!

JWs have used Jesus' teachings to settled all their racial disparities.. MaxInDHouse

And a member of yours almost hammered another fellow member with a dangerous object immediately after the conclusion of a three days religious gathering of your on assembly ground and leaders within your congregations throw blows at bus park

Oga spare us this regimented kind of thinking.

achorladey:

JWs have used Jesus' teachings to settled all their racial disparities.. MaxInDHouse
And a member of yours almost hammered another fellow member with a dangerous object immediately after the conclusion of a three days religious gathering of your on assembly ground and leaders within your congregations throw blows at bus park
Oga spare us this regimented kind of thinking.

Chei see human thinking!

Well for the benefit of the atheists i'll respond to this!

Imperfect humans can't do without having issues and it may lead to strife between two persons but God's people will never take sides which is what leads to one side taking up weapons against the other, rather God's people will settle the matter between the two agitators that's the import of what God's word says @ Isaiah 2:2-4 not that imperfect humans can't have issues.
So humble yourself and learn!

MaxInDHouse:


Chei see human thinking!

Well for the benefit of the atheists i'll respond to this!

Imperfect humans can't do without having issues and it may lead to strife between two persons but God's people will never take sides which is what leads to one side taking up weapons against the other, rather God's people will settle the matter between the two agitators that's the import of what God's word says @ Isaiah 2:2-4 not that imperfect humans can't have issues.
So humble yourself and learn!

Imperfect humans can't do without having issues and it may lead to strife between two persons but God's people will never take sides which is what leads to one side taking up weapons against the other.... MaxInDHouse


First salvo to hide is to introduce imperfect humans

Second salvo to hide is turn racial disparity to issues

Third salvo nowhere to hide is weapons was raised by a member of yours against fellow member another not even having racial disparity or people taking sides

Oga MaxInDHouse remove this regimented kind of thinking. It does not help. . You should have seen where really is the difference or the common denominator?


Chei see human thinking........MaxInDHouse

You should be seeing your regimented kind of thinking now.

LordReed:


The writers aren't here to be asked what they meant so by necessity you are interpreting their words so would someone else who doesn't agree with you. How can we know who between you 2 is correct?

Good question.

In determining the meaning of a text, 3 things are key.

We have
1. the author
2. The text
3. The reader

The author firstly determine the meaning. But when not available.

The text will assume the position of the author not the reader. What this means is that we will have to depend on the usage of the text in other sources and references.

Every good interpretation must depends on this and not on any imagination.

A true Bible study is to be able to access the mind of the author by the help of tools available in your study. Hence you aren't seeking a new inspiration but finding out.


Having said that.
Bible text even though inspired of God, it was written in human language using human literacy. This means, the Bible will agree with all rules of literacy when interpreted. So how do I know what good interpretation is.


I gave you one basic rule of interpretation early.

A text interpreted must agree with other places and book where such concept is explained mentioned or alluded. This is to preserve the singular inspiration.


Now, let me state some of the basic literacy rule that even the Bible must follow.

1. The meaning of a text must be derived from its surrounding text. That is I cannot explain a text outside its usage in its surrounding.

For example. I can use the word ball in various form.

He has balls.
Can mean boldness
Can mean football.

The surrounding text is what will deliver us here not an imagination.


2. The meaning of a text must be taken from its context. You cannot have a meaning outside the context of discussion. This is the reason the Bible must be read as conversation but not in verses.

For example.
He killed it with his dressing and appearance.

The word killed here must be explained in context not given an omnibus meaning.

3. The interpretation or usage must be taken within the culture, age and language of the writer

That mean

for example
when I see, the word "rather" which is to mean to prefer in our own days. I won't interpret it to mean such because in the time of the bible writers, it simply means, much so or much more.

Paul use this in teaching prophesying and tongues.

1 Cor 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied:

Rather here simply means much more not a preference over the other but an emphasis on one.

This means, I must observe how words were used in other ancient writings of their time to ascertain exactly how the Bible writer used those words in their days.


I can go on and on.

But the key thing is. Interpretation outside literacy rules are only imagination since the scriptures is written within the languages of men.

I am sure you know that all these I wrote aren't rules I set by myself but a universal rule to interpretation of text. This can be a guide to us in Bible interpretations.

hupernikao:


Good question.

In determining the meaning of a text, 3 things are key.

We have
1. the author
2. The text
3. The reader

The author firstly determine the meaning. But when not available.

The text will assume the position of the author not the reader. What this means is that we will have to depend on the usage of the text in other sources and references.

Every good interpretation must depends on this and not on any imagination.

A true Bible study is to be able to access the mind of the author by the help of tools available in your study. Hence you aren't seeking a new inspiration but finding out.


Having said that.
Bible text even though inspired of God, it was written in human language using human literacy. This means, the Bible will agree with all rules of literacy when interpreted. So how do I know what good interpretation is.


I gave you one basic rule of interpretation early.

A text interpreted must agree with other places and book where such concept is explained mentioned or alluded. This is to preserve the singular inspiration.


Now, let me state some of the basic literacy rule that even the Bible must follow.

1. The meaning of a text must be derived from its surrounding text. That is I cannot explain a text outside its usage in its surrounding.

For example. I can use the word ball in various form.

He has balls.
Can mean boldness
Can mean football.

The surrounding text is what will deliver us here not an imagination.


2. The meaning of a text must be taken from its context. You cannot have a meaning outside the context of discussion. This is the reason the Bible must be read as conversation but not in verses.

For example.
He killed it with his dressing and appearance.

The word killed here must be explained in context not given an omnibus meaning.

3. The interpretation or usage must be taken within the culture, age and language of the writer

That mean

for example
when I see, the word "rather" which is to mean to prefer in our own days. I won't interpret it to mean such because in the time of the bible writers, it simply means, much so or much more.

Paul use this in teaching prophesying and tongues.

1 Cor 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied:

Rather here simply means much more not a preference over the other but an emphasis on one.

This means, I must observe how words were used in other ancient writings of their time to ascertain exactly how the Bible writer used those words in their days.


I can go on and on.

But the key thing is. Interpretation outside literacy rules are only imagination since the scriptures is written within the languages of men.

I am sure you know that all these I wrote aren't rules I set by myself but a universal rule to interpretation of text. This can be a guide to us in Bible interpretations.

So based on this what is your position on speaking in tongues, are all Christians supposed to be gifted with it?

LordReed:


The writers aren't here to be asked what they meant so by necessity you are interpreting their words so would someone else who doesn't agree with you. How can we know who between you 2 is correct?

He's not the only one that talks about the intention of the writers


One of your friends on Nairaland talks about the intention of the writers...to the extent of doubting that the Bible actually contains what was actually stated by Jesus or that the Bible actually says what the writers intented or that people actually understand the intention of the writers of the Bible/Quran


This friend of yours claims to know the intention of the writers or what was actually stated by the people mentioned in the Bible/Quran

LordReed:


So based on this what is your position on speaking in tongues, are all Christians supposed to be gifted with it?

Bros, this your question. It flashed on my mind when I wanted to use the 1 Cor 14 example, I had wanted to pick another example immediately but felt its not necessary afterwards.

Can you do me a favor to create a new tread on this then I will give an explanation. We (I mean others) may derail this tread if I go that direction.

Is this okay by you?

@LordReed?