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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:39am On Nov 24, 2021
DubaiLandLord1:
I wander why this companies could not stop the US Govt from blocking the sales of the F35 to Turkey just because Turkey wanted to buy the Triumf.

The Turkish wanted to buy about 100 F35, but just because Turkey wan buy the Growler the deal was cancelled.

USA get plenty rich customers, dem fit decide to sell or not, no matter how rich you're.

You Need to understand the politics at play in such a scenario, turkey has emerged as a very strong contender in regional and international politics. The same US that denies Turkey weapons is funding the Israel defence that has made killing Palestinians its pastime and providing weapons for Saudi Arabia despite all that's going on in Yemen.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:49am On Nov 24, 2021
Inler77:

You Need to understand the politics at play in such a scenario, turkey has emerged as a very strong contender in regional and international politics. The same US that denies Turkey weapons is funding the Israel defence that has made killing Palestinians its pastime and providing weapons for Saudi Arabia despite all that's going on in Yemen.
That's why I said US fit decide to sell to you or not. The decision is left to them.

Nah base on wetin Whyem talk, I talk wetin I talk.

With the terrible Human Right record of the Nigerian military, dem no even suppose sell the Super Tucanos to us at all, but, dem still sell am to us

$800m wey we wan use buy helicopter from the US sef no be small money. No company would wanna lose such a contract.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Roan77: 12:11pm On Nov 24, 2021
Whyem15:



grin human rights abuses you say?
That is just a tool used in punishing governments that are poor and not submissive to Washington. Say Nigeria has an annual defense budget of $10 billion and the military was willing to splash it all on overpriced American weapons, you honestly think they will not grab the deal because of "human rights abuses" and allow you turn to other countries? grin
Just indicate that you are ready to buy two squadrons of the Apache at about $2.5 billion and the extreme lawmakers will be having a very difficult time stopping the deal because of human rights.
The companies involved in the manufacturing of the components of these systems will not allow the lawmakers whose campaigns they sponsored rest until they approve the deal.
But when you're u are buying in twos and fours, no one will take you seriously.

It's a known fact that America has more war crimes and human rights issues than Nigeria, but Nigerians will not let us hear word, with the constant cry of human rights.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Whyem15: 12:24pm On Nov 24, 2021
DubaiLandLord1:
I wander why this companies could not stop the US Govt from blocking the sales of the F35 to Turkey just because Turkey wanted to buy the Triumf.

The Turkish wanted to buy about 100 F35, but just because Turkey wan buy the Growler the deal was cancelled.

USA get plenty rich customers, dem fit decide to sell or not, no matter how rich you're.


I hope you know that Turkey already paid for the F35s? The reason US is refusing to deliver the aircrafts to turkey is to pressure them to go for American Air defense systems rather than Russian.
The official reason given was that the S400 will compromise the F35 systems and it is not compatible with NATO's systems.
Unofficially, it is all about securing the market for US defense industry. The same reason why the CAATSA was passed. Same reason they hijacked the Australian submarine deal from France. Had it been that turkey hadn't spent a dime in the F-35 program, it would have been a different story entirely.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by lebuhsi(m): 4:08pm On Nov 24, 2021
Roan77:


It's a known fact that America has more war crimes and human rights issues than Nigeria, but Nigerians will not let us hear word, with the constant cry of human rights.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by lebuhsi(m): 4:11pm On Nov 24, 2021
Whyem15:



I hope you know that Turkey already paid for the F35s? The reason US is refusing to deliver the aircrafts to turkey is to pressure them to go for American Air defense systems rather than Russian.
The official reason given was that the S400 will compromise the F35 systems and it is not compatible with NATO's systems.
Unofficially, it is all about securing the market for US defense industry. The same reason why the CAATSA was passed. Same reason they hijacked the Australian submarine deal from France. Had it been that turkey hadn't spent a dime in the F-35 program, it would have been a different story entirely.

They are rogue nations that kill in hundreds of thousands and answers to nobody.

Just look at how they threatened the ICC when cases of war crimes were brought against their troops. Israel is literally an apartheid state.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 4:15pm On Nov 24, 2021
Inler77:

You Need to understand the politics at play in such a scenario, turkey has emerged as a very strong contender in regional and international politics. The same US that denies Turkey weapons is funding the Israel defence that has made killing Palestinians its pastime and providing weapons for Saudi Arabia despite all that's going on in Yemen.

Digress from th subject.

It's not so simplistic, it's ABSOLUTELY AMAZING the efficacy of the IDF that has held at bay murderous enemies on all sides for decade's.

When was the last you heard of a suicide bomber in Israel ❓
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ArabicBerber(m): 5:21pm On Nov 24, 2021
SOURCES:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l5xBJDociS4
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/ethiopian-pm-abiy-ahmed-joins-frontline-as-conflict-against-rebels-intensifies.html

The Ethiopian Prime Abiy Ahmed has vowed to take to the Frontline to lead his troops.

Act of exalted Patriotism, Desperation, or PR Stunt?

Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed is reportedly traveling to lead his security forces from the frontlines in the war effort against advancing Tigrayan rebels.

Abiy, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2019, announced on social media on Monday that he would personally “mobilize to the front to lead the defense forces,” and urged Ethiopians to “rise up for (their) country.”

reported on Wednesday that Abiy had left for battle, with Deputy Prime Minister Demeke Mekonnen Hassen taking charge of the government in his absence.

Abiy will be joined by Olympic heroes Haile Gebrselassie and Feyisa Lilesa, both of whom have declared their intent to assist in the fight against an alliance of rebel groups led by the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF).

The prime minister served in the Ethiopian army during the 1998-2000 border war with Eritrea and obtained the rank of lieutenant colonel. As leader, he later ended nearly two decades of tension between the neighboring countries by signing a landmark peace deal in 2019.


Photos/Videos of this supposed action have yet to surface.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Hoverbird: 5:49pm On Nov 24, 2021
Roan77:


It's a known fact that America has more war crimes and human rights issues than Nigeria, but Nigerians will not let us hear word, with the constant cry of human rights.
On their own citizens as is the case with Nigeria?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by AskiaHarem(m): 7:49pm On Nov 24, 2021
Hoverbird:

On their own citizens as is the case with Nigeria?

Cough "Internment camps, MK Ultra, nuclear radiation exposure testing on small towns, Willie Lynch, and a never ending supply of both declassified and classified pathogen, disease, pharmacological, chemical, biological, and human radiation experiments on its own citizens". COUGH!!!
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Dang my throats dry today....

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Whyem15: 8:16pm On Nov 24, 2021
We send young men to kill other people(criminals and terrorist) then abandon them later without taking care of them or monitoring how they cope with the mental stress of battle, when these young men eventually turn to drugs to cope with the mental tortures, we then funnily expect sane behaviors from them. In order to reduce military brutality of civilians, we need to be more deliberate on taking care of their mental health. This doesn't include those who right from the beginning see being in the military as an opportunity to brutalise others. But we can significantly reduce the cases by making sure soldiers don't stay too long in the frontlines and are well taken care of several years after returning from the frontlines. Maybe having a program to here they have to pass through immediately after being pulled from the frontlines to sort of 'deradicalize' them and ease them back to normal life.
We cannot continue to make monsters of men and expect them to be normal when they are no longer being used actively.


Suicide rate among ex US service men is among the highest in the world, they also have an abnormally high violent crimes rate, Nigerian soldiers are not immune to these consequences of war.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Roan77: 8:34pm On Nov 24, 2021
Hoverbird:

On their own citizens as is the case with Nigeria?

America is not fighting war in his homeland, but their cops are killing a lot of American citizens, in their country, what would you say about that?
Are you also trying to tell me the citizens of other those countries American soldiers committed war crimes against are less of a human?
If insurgency break out in America, then you will see the records of US troops war crimes against it citizens.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Roan77: 8:36pm On Nov 24, 2021
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Lol. grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 8:43pm On Nov 24, 2021
Police Or Military Brutality should continue in Nigeria as long as it happens in developed countries.

The Military are free to raze down villages after all no country is perfect. grin grin grin

We should stop complaining as citizens of this great country.

Let’s all remain Patriotic cool

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Sizzorkay: 10:12pm On Nov 24, 2021
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:20pm On Nov 24, 2021
Is an insult to compare the Nigerian military with the military of the USA.


I will never forget when Boko Haram beheaded a NAF officer. A wing commander or so, the Spokesman of the Nigerian Air force release a press statement, saying the Officer is not a Nigerian Air force personnel shocked

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:32pm On Nov 24, 2021
Whyem15:
We send young men to kill other people(criminals and terrorist) then abandon them later without taking care of them or monitoring how they cope with the mental stress of battle, when these young men eventually turn to drugs to cope with the mental tortures, we then funnily expect sane behaviors from them. In order to reduce military brutality of civilians, we need to be more deliberate on taking care of their mental health. This doesn't include those who right from the beginning see being in the military as an opportunity to brutalise others. But we can significantly reduce the cases by making sure soldiers don't stay too long in the frontlines and are well taken care of several years after returning from the frontlines. Maybe having a program to here they have to pass through immediately after being pulled from the frontlines to sort of 'deradicalize' them and ease them back to normal life.
We cannot continue to make monsters of men and expect them to be normal when they are no longer being used actively.


Suicide rate among ex US service men is among the highest in the world, they also have an abnormally high violent crimes rate, Nigerian soldiers are not immune to these consequences of war.
Lol

Una sha dey try prove say violence against armless civilians is not a Nigerian army thing.

The Nigerian army is so indescipline and unprofessional, a minister in Mali said they are only good at manning checkpoint.

For this one wey Economy bad, the Nigerian Army still went ahead to burn down people properties. The people there crime is to having properties in a community a Nigerian army personnel was.killed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pypYs0y1E34


“Government condemns the murder of a soldier by the so called unknown gunmen. Certainly, this soldier who was on a legitimate duty to ensure free flow of traffic and to protect lives and property on this fafeful Monday of November 22nd, did not deserve to die such a gruesome death. “On the other hand, Government deprecates reports of wanton destruction of property visited on the community by aggrieved soldiers.The indiscriminate burning of residential and businesses premises of innocent citizens was not an appropriate response since two wrongs will never make a right. Government has good reasons to believe that there is more to the sad event than meets the eyes.

https://www.bbc.com/igbo/afirika-59380300

The Government of Hope Uzodinma would have been in shock sef, and couldn't hide how disappointed in the army through their press release.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:41pm On Nov 24, 2021
The recent attacks on travellers along the beleaguered Abuja-Kaduna highway were carried out by Boko Haram, DAILY NIGERIAN can authoritatively report.

On Sunday, the terrorists abducted an unspecified number of passengers and killed a notable Zamfara politician, Sagir Hamidu, at point called Kurmin Kare along the highway.

The terrorists returned the following day near same spot, and almost the same time to open fire on travelers and abduct dozens more.

But a top intelligence source in Abuja told DAILY NIGERIAN on the condition of anonymity that the recent attacks were carried out by Boko Haram terrorists, who are now setting up camps in Kaduna and Niger forests.

“Based on an intercepted intel, the Boko Haram terrorists are behind these recent attacks at Kurmin Kare area along Abuja-Kaduna highway.

“They are also the ones who are abducting people around Mashegu and Shiroro in Niger State. They are trying to establish themselves around the area, so they embark on abductions to raise money for logistics.

“You know they under heavy bombardment in their enclaves in Birnin Gwari, Giwa, Chikun, Igabi and other places. So after fleeing from these locations, they now camped at some points not more than 50 to 60 kilometers away from Abuja-Kaduna highway.

“From these points, they use motorcycles to travel. There is a stream along the road where they keep the motorcycles and travel on foot through a thick forest to perpetrate the attacks,” said the source.

According to him, security agencies as well as Niger and Kaduna State Governments have been alerted of the development and efforts to decimate them.

He also said that the Boko Haram terrorists are now working in concert with bandits to abduct and attack people.

Spokesman for the Kaduna State Police Command, Mohammed Jalige, could not be reached for comment at the time of filing this report.

https://dailynigerian.com/boko-haram-abuja-kaduna/
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by giles14(m): 11:43pm On Nov 24, 2021
Roan77:


It's a known fact that America has more war crimes and human rights issues than Nigeria, but Nigerians will not let us hear word, with the constant cry of human rights.
America is the greatest offender,but Nigeria owns offend is against it's citizens.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Rich4god(m): 11:45pm On Nov 24, 2021
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Sizzorkay: 11:48pm On Nov 24, 2021
And America doesn't? bro, come and see the violence police unleash on citizens here, they simply have a better way of covering shit up, they are literally psychos. Not comparing, but America have zero moral authority on issues of human right.
Does it really matter if the people their troops have murdered were American citizens or not? I'm sure they were human, and that's all that matters.

giles14:
America is the greatest offender,but Nigeria owns offend is against it's citizens.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Rich4god(m): 11:53pm On Nov 24, 2021
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:11am On Nov 25, 2021
The federal executive council (FEC) has approved the award of a contract worth N6.3 billion for waterways surveillance under the Deep Blue project.

The Deep blue project is also known as the Integrated National Security and Waterways Protection Infrastructure project.

It is based on a maritime analytics system, providing comprehensive monitoring and an exclusive economic zone. The project will enable both the protection of the country from illegal and piracy activities and the protection of the country’s natural resources and assets.

Rotimi Amaechi, minister of transportation, disclosed this on Wednesday while briefing state house correspondents after the FEC meeting.

The meeting was presided over by President Muhammadu Buhari at the presidential villa, Abuja.

In June, Buhari flagged off the project — a collaboration between the transport ministry and the ministry of defence.

Amaechi said he presented a memo to the cabinet to approve the award of the contract.

He said that the contract was for the provision of training logistics, operational equipment, and maintenance support for the government under the Integrated National Surveillance and Waterways Protection Solution Infrastructure in Nigeria.

“This is also what we call the Deep Blue Project. That’s the project that the president launched some months ago, around May or June,” he said.

“The contract was awarded at N6,347,967,644.21, inclusive of 7.5% VAT for a period of two years. It’s also important to say that the cabinet was briefed that there’s huge improvement in the security on our waterways now and we hope that it will continue as we progress.”

https://www.thecable.ng/deep-blue-project-fec-approves-n6-3bn-contract-for-waterways-surveillance/amp
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 2:00am On Nov 25, 2021
Rich4god:
As it happened today...

https://www.facebook.com/100000284557246/posts/4878012322218205/

Nothing new with the Kidnap issues and Banditry in Nigeria. Nowhere is safe in the World not even the self acclaimed USA.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Whyem15: 5:52am On Nov 25, 2021
DubaiLandLord1:
Lol

Una sha dey try prove say violence against armless civilians is not a Nigerian army thing.

The Nigerian army is so indescipline and unprofessional, a minister in Mali said they are only good at manning checkpoint.

For this one wey Economy bad, the Nigerian Army still went ahead to burn down people properties. The people there crime is to having properties in a community a Nigerian army personnel was.killed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pypYs0y1E34


“Government condemns the murder of a soldier by the so called unknown gunmen. Certainly, this soldier who was on a legitimate duty to ensure free flow of traffic and to protect lives and property on this fafeful Monday of November 22nd, did not deserve to die such a gruesome death. “On the other hand, Government deprecates reports of wanton destruction of property visited on the community by aggrieved soldiers.The indiscriminate burning of residential and businesses premises of innocent citizens was not an appropriate response since two wrongs will never make a right. Government has good reasons to believe that there is more to the sad event than meets the eyes.

https://www.bbc.com/igbo/afirika-59380300

The Government of Hope Uzodinma would have been in shock sef, and couldn't hide how disappointed in the army through their press release.

Nope, I'm not trying to prove that civilian brutality is not a "Nigerian army only thing", my point is that many of the soldiers we send to the front lines will require help coping with lives for the rest of their lives and it is the duty of the government to provide necessary health care to help them. Many of them have turned to drugs to cope with life which further deteriorates their mental health. The entire point of what I wrote was about better welfarism for troops and not why we should dismiss their brutal acts.
I added the crime and suicide rates of US soldiers and veterans because we have no such statistics here in Nigeria and it would have been sufficient to make my point.
At the end of the write up, I added that Nigerian soldiers are not immune to the consequences of war that US troops and veterans suffer to highlight that many of our own troops also suffer from PTSD and other mental health issues.


Decided to post this after having a discussion with a professional on the prevalence of the use of hard drugs among veterans and active personnel and many of the officers are also into hard drugs.
I'm uninterested in whitewashing the crimes of Nigerian soldiers as I would benefit nothing from it.

And yes, brutalizing civilians and being excessively violent are some of the consequences of mismanaged PTSD and many other mental health issues associated with warfare.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Faithful007: 6:50am On Nov 25, 2021
Whyem15:



grin human rights abuses you say?
That is just a tool used in punishing governments that are poor and not submissive to Washington. Say Nigeria has an annual defense budget of $10 billion and the military was willing to splash it all on overpriced American weapons, you honestly think they will not grab the deal because of "human rights abuses" and allow you turn to other countries? grin
Just indicate that you are ready to buy two squadrons of the Apache at about $2.5 billion and the extreme lawmakers will be having a very difficult time stopping the deal because of human rights.
The companies involved in the manufacturing of the components of these systems will not allow the lawmakers whose campaigns they sponsored rest until they approve the deal.
But when you're u are buying in twos and fours, no one will take you seriously.
How ignorant of you. Policy is policy. Biden suspended the $23bn contract with UAE for four months, just for human rights violation investigations and to look into UAE's involvement in Yemen. What will you call that?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Faithful007: 6:56am On Nov 25, 2021
Roan77:


America is not fighting war in his homeland, but their cops are killing a lot of American citizens, in their country, what would you say about that?
Are you also trying to tell me the citizens of other those countries American soldiers committed war crimes against are less of a human?
If insurgency break out in America, then you will see the records of US troops war crimes against it citizens.
Many civilians shot by police was in a standoff situation. How many unarmed people have been shot by police in Nigeria? How much of it is documented?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Faithful007: 6:58am On Nov 25, 2021
DubaiLandLord1:
Is an insult to compare the Nigerian military with the military of the USA.


I will never forget when Boko Haram beheaded a NAF officer. A wing commander or so, the Spokesman of the Nigerian Air force release a press statement, saying the Officer is not a Nigerian Air force personnel shocked
I wonder why they do that lol.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 7:32am On Nov 25, 2021
Faithful007:
Many civilians shot by police was in a standoff situation. How many unarmed people have been shot by police in Nigeria? How much of it is documented?

Do we document deaths of Police brutality in Nigeria? Countless drivers have died for not giving a token at checkpoints.

However, we shouldn’t complain as Police in the US also kills its citizens!

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Faithful007: 7:44am On Nov 25, 2021
SamuelAnyawu:


Do we document deaths of Police brutality in Nigeria? Countless drivers have died for not giving a token at checkpoints.

However, we shouldn’t complain as Police in the US also kills its citizens!
Pathetic!

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