BKayy:

And where is the word "Ijaw" in all these?

I tire!
Even an Onitsha man would tell you that "Igbos are money conscious" does that now make Onitsha Ijaw people?

Igbere people (Orji uzor Kalu home town in Abia) was actually named "Igbo-ere" meaning "Igbos cannot sell us". This was in reference to Aro and her mercenaries attempt to ransack the town and sell them off as slaves. They successfully repelled Aro assault and named themselves "Igbos cannot sell us". Igbos in this sense referring to Arochukwu.
Does it mean that Igbere people were Ijaws because they called others Igbos?

Notice in the Bonny ethnologue, Aros and Nris where not listed as Ibos but as independent clans.
This happened probably because the Aros and Beretchi insisted on being referred by their towns and not subsumed under the general Igbo tag.
Does that now make them Ijaws?

Dude is just clutching at straws.
Igbo speaking people/clans called each other Igbo in the past, it doesn't mean they themselves were not speaking a language one would call IGBO today.

Only thing his extract showed was that Bonny people called other Igbos in hinterland Igbos.
Which was the norm those days.
Every Igbo speaking group called The rest of Igbo speaking groups "Igbos". It doesn't mean they consider/considered themselves Ijaw.

Ekealterego:


Okay.. that's great to learn. Iseke also describes the geography very well.

please watch the video done by channels TV at least it is an independent research

Ekealterego:

Okay, it describes the geography well.

But, that Ashaka needs to be researched because there was never a time Isseke had anything to do with Bini.
If the cultures he described can as well be seen in Ashaka then you might have solved the dudes confusing piece of work

Igboid:


I tire!
Even an Onitsha man would tell you that "Igbos are money conscious" does that now make Onitsha Ijaw people?

Igbere people (Orji uzor Kalu home town in Abia) was actually named "Igbo-ere" meaning "Igbos cannot sell us". This was in reference to Aro and her mercenaries attempt to ransack the town and sell them off as slaves. They successfully repelled Aro assault and named themselves "Igbos cannot sell us". Igbos in this sense referring to Arochukwu.
Does it mean that Igbere people were Ijaws because they called others Igbos?

Dude is just clutching at straws.
Igbo speaking people/clans called each other Igbo in the past, it doesn't mean they themselves were not speaking a language one would call IGBO today.

Even owerri call other igbo Isoma

That is the word they use frok owerri down to Ikwerre they call non indegenes Isoma...

Ngwá call non indigene Ohuhu


But that doesn't mean that they aren't igbo

ariesbull:


Watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EdhpeMSCPc


Read the book and Iseke don't kill python till date and Equano even said it that they reverence python


Ashaka isn't it.... Make una dey use sens of geography naaa

Lol. I can't be more confused. Maybe I need GOOGLE to help me with more ibo villages homonymous to Essaka probably Equaino might be lurking somewhere in there.

BKayy:

But, that Ashaka needs to be researched because there was never a time Isseke had anything to do with Bini.
If the cultures he described can as well be seen in Ashaka then you might have solved the dudes confusing piece of work

There is nothing to research... Watch the video


Or dont you have data

Equano even said that they don't kill pythons and till date iseke people just new miles from Niger River don't kill pythons


Ashaka people don't even kill python they eat it

And Esseke and Ashaka arant the same... The vowels are there

Putindbutt:

Lol. I can't be more confused. Maybe I need GOOGLE to help me with more ibo villages homonymous to Essaka probably Equaino might be lurking somewhere in there.

Una too dey argue.... Just watch the video and then come back let's talk....


Buy data please

Igboid:


I tire!
Even an Onitsha man would tell you that "Igbos are money conscious" does that now make Onitsha Ijaw people?

Igbere people (Orji uzor Kalu home town in Abia) was actually named "Igbo-ere" meaning "Igbos cannot sell us". This was in reference to Aro and her mercenaries attempt to ransack the town and sell them off as slaves. They successfully repelled Aro assault and named themselves "Igbos cannot sell us". Igbos in this sense referring to Arochukwu.
Does it mean that Igbere people were Ijaws because they called others Igbos?

Dude is just clutching at straws.
Igbo speaking people/clans called each other Igbo in the past, it doesn't mean they themselves were not speaking a language one would call IGBO today.

The thing tire me oh.
I wonder the kind of IQ most of these Ijaw people have.

Imagine using what someone said about his family to instigate that he is no longer part of the family but yours (an alien he never mentioned of)

No matter the prejudice some people from Bonny at that time have against the larger igbo family, they never for once said that they are IJAW

Alabo7978, GreatBoss and the other pirates, can you people show us one place the people of Bonny were called or self identified as Ijaw prior to 1970 (after the war)

BKayy:

He wasn't referring to Etsako in Edo state.
Got it?

You mean Etsako is no longer a thick ibo town

BKayy:

But, that Ashaka needs to be researched because there was never a time Isseke had anything to do with Bini.
If the cultures he described can as well be seen in Ashaka then you might have solved the dudes confusing piece of work

My problem with Ashaka is that he spoke of the Mberenchi marks (Mgburichi marks of the Nri).
These marks are not present in Ashaka area.

Putindbutt:

You mean Etsako is no longer a thick ibo town

The context of what I said was "the implication of what it would mean if it was proven to be Etsako" which it is not.

I hate teaching people English literature because English is not my language.

And remember to stick with Bonny. That is the topic here

BKayy:

The thing tire me oh.
I wonder the kind of IQ most of these Ijaw people have.

Imagine using what someone said about his family to instigate that he is no longer part of the family but yours (an alien he never mentioned of)

No matter the prejudice some people from Bonny at that time have against the larger igbo family, they never for once said that they are IJAW

Alabo7978, GreatBoss and the other pirates, can you people show us one place the people of Bonny were called or self identified as Ijaw prior to 1970 (after the war)

Lol!
Ikwerres say Igbos are thieves who want their land and oil, therefore, Ikwerres are not Igbo speakers, they are Ijaw.

That's the logic the Ijaw man is presenting to show that Bonny is Ijaw.

Igboid:


My problem with Ashaka is that he spoke of the Mberenchi marks (Mgburichi marks of the Nri).
These marks are not present in Ashaka area.

And Isseke was never under Bini. So the dude confused people there, no doubt.

ariesbull:



Una too dey argue.... Just watch the video and then come back let's talk....


Buy data please

Why must I watch what proves nothing. Is the video showcasing Equiano himself?
The content of debate here is from Equaino's account. I was expecting you to connect "Isseke" in ihiala with Benin kingdom. Perhaps, they also pay taxes to Benin kingdom as suggested by one of you.

Igboid:


Lol!
Ikwerres say Igbos are thieves who want their land and oil, therefore, Ikwerres are not Igbo speakers, they are Ijaw.

That's the logic the Ijaw man is presenting to show that Bonny is Ijaw.

Exactly. This is the most appropriate example.
Alabo7978 and GreatBoss, you see that?
Somebody did not call your name but talked about what he hates about his kin and carried your pirate ass from the swamp to attach to him.
No be juju be that?

Putindbutt:

Why must I watch what proves nothing. Is the video showcasing Equiano himself?
The content of debate here is from Equaino's account. I was expecting you to connect "Isseke" in ihiala with Benin kingdom. Perhaps, they also pay taxes to Benin kingdom as suggested by one of you.

he said that his village is near benin kingdom not under benin kingdom.... Please have you read the book or are you taking based on hear say remember that Ịn igbo land they call benin Idu and their influence is well known.. Smiths from Awka go to benin to ply their trade... Now you can know that Anambra isn't far from benin but was never under benin influence except some few places under the igbo of delta example the Ukwuani and Ikas

Putindbutt:

Why must I watch what proves nothing. Is the video showcasing Equiano himself?
The content of debate here is from Equaino's account. I was expecting you to connect "Isseke" in ihiala with Benin kingdom. Perhaps, they also pay taxes to Benin kingdom as suggested by one of you.

Don't be close minded... Watch the documentary and learn at least one thing today instead of arguing ups and downs


Or do you want data....

Igboid:


My problem with Ashaka is that he spoke of the Mberenchi marks (Mgburichi marks of the Nri).
These marks are not present in Ashaka area.

Also remember that mgburuchi village isn't far from Eseke in Anambra if you take the ihiala Oguta axis...

Now the question is do they have mgburuchi village near or around Ashaka that also reference python


I don't know why many of these kids that call themselves graduates Lack deductive reasoning

You did well to lecture them

BKayy:

The context of what I said was "the implication of what it would mean if it was proven to be Etsako" which it is not.

I hate teaching people English literature because English is not my language.

And remember to stick with Bonny. That is the topic here

This was an afterthought.
The implication of what it would mean IF it was proven to be Etsako. You would have been gun blazing trying to defend how Etsako was just indeed a thick ibo town just to prove Equaino as ibo, right?

BKayy:

And Isseke was never under Bini. So the dude confused people there, no doubt.

You know the stories of Idu n'oba was rife in Igboland.
The Europeans made Bini popular and everyone wanted to be part of that popularity.
Olauda trying to add Bini flavor to his Isseke history tells you all you need to know about Ikwerre, Etche, Ogba, etc Bini origin stories.

People were trying too hard to be seen to be attached to Bini and so crafted irrational Bini fantasy stories.

ariesbull:

There is nothing to research... Watch the video


Or dont you have data

Equano even said that they don't kill pythons and till date iseke people just new miles from Niger River don't kill pythons


Ashaka people don't even kill python they eat it

And Esseke and Ashaka arant the same... The vowels are there

There is a reason why Equiano's work is never used as reference to any serious Historical work.
The dude did not only confuse himself but anybody that will read it.

As a young scientist, I remember being warned to never manipulate but show the results the way they are even if they go against all the previous experiments by renowned scientists. The reason for the warning is so that when later scientists will reassess that your research, it will be better for them to descover that your error (if there was any) was caused by faulty samples, equipment or bad working conditions than to find out that you manipulated because it will ruin your reputation.

Except historians later find out a town that has Bini influence in Igboland that suits the guys narrative, his work is a shame to Behold. It reeks of manipulation to sound good.

Even his picture has been discovered or is disputed to be another man's own.

Olaudah Equiano messed up big time.

Igboid:


You know the stories of Idu n'oba was rife in Igboland.
The Europeans made Bini popular and everyone wanted to be part of that popularity.
Olauda trying to add Bini flavor to his Isseke history tells you all you need to know about Ikwerre, Etche, Ogba, etc Bini origin stories.

People were trying too hard to be seen to be attached to Bini and so crafted irrational Bini fantasy stories.

And he ended up turning himself to a laughing stock.
Even his official portrait is now under dispute that it is of another man.

The man was not smart or truthful to himself. He ended up wasting years of his slavery.

Being the first slave to document about his life would have added a boast to his work if he wrote the truth but look at him, a disgrace of a writer.

BKayy:

There is a reason why Equiano's work is never used as reference to any serious Historical work.
The dude did not only confuse himself but anybody that will read it.

As a young scientist, I remember being warned to never manipulate but show the results the way they are even if they go against all the previous experiments by renowned scientists. The reason for the warning is so that when later scientists will reassess that your research, it will be better for them to descover that your error (if there was any) was caused by faulty samples, equipment or bad working conditions than to find out that you manipulated because it will ruin your reputation.

Except historians later find out a town that has Bini influence in Igboland that suits the guys narrative, his work is a shame to Behold. It reeks of manipulation to sound good.

Even his picture has been discovered or is disputed to be another man's own.

Dude if you are finding town that has benin influence in Igbo land... Then you are mistaken

You can't influence the igbo rather they influence you... Benin is minority

Equano used benin as a landmark or reference point to his village proximity to not that it was under benin influence

He said it... It is his biography and he isn't asking you to take him serious.. It isn't a historical work but an autobiography and he is talking about his life so you must just key in or log out

Why do you mistake biography with historical reality... He never said that he is a Historian or geographer

Cut the dude some slacks... Go watch the video then come back let me tutor you

BKayy:

The thing tire me oh.
I wonder the kind of IQ most of these Ijaw people have.

Imagine using what someone said about his family to instigate that he is no longer part of the family but yours (an alien he never mentioned of)

No matter the prejudice some people from Bonny at that time have against the larger igbo family, they never for once said that they are IJAW

Alabo7978, GreatBoss and the other pirates, can you people show us one place the people of Bonny were called or self identified as Ijaw prior to 1970 (after the war)

Ok, your fellow fool is writing igbere and igbo-ere.
But when I said how the English englisised all African towns, what did you call me?
I even used N'enu-ugwu as example nna'bu'ugo (nnabugo)
OKOLOMA (okolo-ama)

And on the ijo identification, the coastal tribe men will identify with their recent ancestor, but it is known within us that we are of the stalk of ijo.

Putindbutt:

This was an afterthought.
The implication of what it would mean IF it was proven to be Etsako. You would have been gun blazing trying to defend how Etsako was just indeed a thick ibo town just to prove Equaino as ibo, right?

Mtcheww... Just read our comments about Equiano if you don't know anything.

Igboid:


You know the stories of Idu n'oba was rife in Igboland.
The Europeans made Bini popular and everyone wanted to be part of that popularity.
Olauda trying to add Bini flavor to his Isseke history tells you all you need to know about Ikwerre, Etche, Ogba, etc Bini origin stories.

People were trying too hard to be seen to be attached to Bini and so crafted irrational Bini fantasy stories.

Exactly but there re pointers he used to describe his coordinates such as

Market days... Purely igbo
Igbo... Culture

Above all rvernce to python what we call today Eke idemili... Most villages in Anambra don't kill it

BKayy:

And he ended up turning himself to a laughing stock.
Even his official portrait is now under dispute that it is of another man.

The man was not smart or truthful to himself. He ended up wasting years of his slavery.

Being the first slave to document about his life would have added a boast to his work if he wrote the truth but look at him, a disgrace of a writer.

This is what happens when an Igbo man try to forcefully attach himself to Bini.
He becomes an object of ridicule, because his account becomes incredulous and full of gaping holes. It creates a rational dilemma.
It never ends well.

He didn't need to start linking Essaka with Bini.
It messed everything up.
He didn't need to attach to Bini to draw attention and sell his story.

Just remove the Bini conundrum he created himself and his story becomes 100% credible.

Essaka is in Nri area of influence.

Ichi marks ✓
Afor for year ✓

But he fell for the Bini virus and ruined a good story.

Igboid:


You know the stories of Idu n'oba was rife in Igboland.
The Europeans made Bini popular and everyone wanted to be part of that popularity.
Olauda trying to add Bini flavor to his Isseke history tells you all you need to know about Ikwerre, Etche, Ogba, etc Bini origin stories.

People were trying too hard to be seen to be attached to Bini and so crafted irrational Bini fantasy stories.

Lol, the bini popularized by Europeans right? Made them popular eh?
You're saying this but kept bringing baikie etc who wanted to make the igbos the darling of British media.
Fools have started fighting themselves because of elodiau equaino

Alabo7978:

Ok, your fellow fool is writing igbere and igbo-ere.
But when I said how the English englisised all African towns, what did you call me?
I even used N'enu-ugwu as example nna'bu'ugo (nnabugo)
OKOLOMA (okolo-ama)

And on the ijo identification, the coastal tribe men will identify with their recent ancestor, but it is known within us that we are of the stalk of ijo.

Not true.
The true costal tribes of Niger Delta were not Ijaws.
They were proto Ibibiod people.
You see them in Ogbia, Abua, Odual, Abureni, Abuloma, Andoni.
They were the people Jaja met when he arrived at Opobo newly and had to assimilate and drove off the rest to acquire the land.
The remnant of them even went as far as Etche, and were assimilated by the Igbos there, they were called the "Ochichi".

There are three language groups Indigenous to southern part of NIGERIA.
ie The Igboid, the Ibibiod and the Edoid.

Ijaw is an alien people that sticks out like a sour thumb when you consider how unrelated they are to the original three of Ibibiod, Edoid and Igboids.

ariesbull:


Dude if you are finding town that has benin influence in Igbo land... Then you are mistaken

You can't influence the igbo rather they influence you... Benin is minority

Equano used benin as a landmark or reference point to his village proximity to not that it was under benin influence

He said it... It is his biography and he isn't asking you to take him serious.. It isn't a historical work but an autobiography and he is talking about his life so you must just key in or log out

Why do you mistake biography with historical reality... He never said that he is a Historian or geographer

Cut the dude some slacks... Go watch the video then come back let me tutor you

Video? When I read the original work.

Oga, the dude literally said that he was born in the Eboe part of Bini kingdom. In other words, he said that the entire Igboland was under Bini. He didn't mince words there.

Such blunder is not acceptable in any serious discussion.
The dude is modern day Caricature.

BKayy:

And where is the word "Ijaw" in all these?

You are asking for the Ijaw word?
Ode.
I'm trying to show you how igbos are not the owners of where you claim them to own.

Alabo7978:

You are asking for the Ijaw word?
Ode.
I'm trying to show you how igbos are not the owners of where you claim them to own.

And who was the owner?