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Kobojunkie:
1. First you need to stop confusing Sin with crime. Sin, for those of us who are of the New Covenant, is as clearly defined in the almost 100 laws given to us by Jesus Christ, God's Law and agreement between God and individuals in the Kingdom of God.

Sin refers to direct disobedience of any of the almost 100 commandments of God's Law to us, and the judgment at the end of all sins, regardless of how you personally chose to rank it in your mind is the same - eternal damnation. Whether a one is guilty of adultery or mass murder, the end is the same - eternal damnation.

2. I already been through this with others, but here again. Do you know what end awaits the one who blasphemes the Holy Spirit and the man who commits adultery- lust in his heart? You guessed it - eternal damnation in the very same hell where all sinners end up- Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46.

You win! .. No energy for this kind of argument abeg. Feel free to believe whatever you want.

Kobojunkie:
God never indicated that pride and hatred are the most serious of sins. Suggesting they are, this where God Himself did no such thing, is against God. No man has authority to add, remove or change God's own laws.

Also, if you think the other way around of what your pope said you will realize how wrong he indeed is. According to God, all sin is unrighteousness in His sight. If all sins lead directly to a eternal damnation, then how do you even begin to imagine any sin as being less serious than the other?

I Am Baffled At How God Hates His Nature? Doesn't Everything Exist Through God? How Does He Deny Things That Exist Because He Exists? How Does He Condemn Evil, When He Does Evil? Pivotally, Where Is The Root Of Pride And Hate, If Everything Was Made By God?

GiantParrot:
No need sir. You already exposed your ignorance with your earlier post.

Look at who is saying ignorance when all you know in the scripture is what your priest tells you. I pity you better read your Bible to know what the scripture says.

Khayil:
1. I Am Baffled At How God Hates His Nature?
2. Doesn't Everything Exist Through God?
3. How Does He Deny Things That Exist Because He Exists?
4. How Does He Condemn Evil, When He Does Evil?
5. Pivotally, Where Is The Root Of Pride And Hate, If Everything Was Made By God?

1. What is this nature you claim God hates?

2. Exist Through God in what sense?

3. What Things exist because God exists? And what Things do you suggest God denies the existence of?
4. God does Evil so he should not condemn evil? How so?

5. Why do we care about the "root" of pride and hate here again?

obailala:
You win! .. No energy for this kind of argument abeg. Feel free to believe whatever you want.

If you have any objection to any of what I stated, go ahead and make it known. No contests here!

Kobojunkie:
If you have any objection to any of what I stated, go ahead and make it known. No contests here!

Crime A: Punishment has an option for parole; i.e. you can avoid going to prison if you are of good behaviour (i.e. repent).

Crime B: Punishment for this crime has absolutely no option of parole. If you commit this crime, you must end up in prison (hell) forever, no option exists to repent no matter how good you choose to be.

With the above analogy, you still believe both crimes are equal in the sight of the law?

Like I said before, YOU WIN!... Have a nice day ahead!

Righteousness2:
The Word of GOD, the Holy Bible says clearly that the wages of sin is Death.

The Word of GOD clearly says Fornicators , adulterers and Unrighteous folks will not see Heaven.
1Corithians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Pope says it is not a serious sin.
These are the Last of the Last Moments. The foot soldiers and false Prophet of the antichrist are being revealed!

Watch and Pray that you will not be caught in their web of deceits and Delusion.

If you are engaging in sex outside Marriage, it is not Dating! It is Fornication! it is Evil. It is a terrible sin and will destroy your soul in Hell.

Immorality of any kind is Evil. Fornication, adultery, beastiality, homosexuality, lesbianism,etc. It is Sin and will Destroy your soul in Hell.

thank you pastor. This is what we get when the word of God is abstract and bowing to mary is just. I pray the scale is removed from their sight.

obailala:
Crime A: Punishment has an option for parole; i.e. you can avoid going to prison if you are of good behaviour (i.e. repent).

Crime B: Punishment for this crime has absolutely no option of parole. If you commit this crime, you must end up in prison (hell) forever, no option exists to repent no matter how good you choose to be.

With the above analogy, you still believe both crimes are equal in the sight of the law?

So because the one sin, out of maybe 100, comes with no parole, means some sins are more serious than others?

Consider this scenarion, if you wil. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead at that very moment. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end than that Mr. B will get?

KillIgbohoN0W:
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Are you closer to God than the Pope?

God is a personal God... He doesn't have grand children... Pope or any other name is just a title and doesn't have anything to do with your closeness to God... Moreover what the Pope said is not in line with the word of God upon which every other mortal is subject to including the Pope... Please take note...

Kobojunkie:
All sins can be forgiven except one sin does not mean all sins are not judged the same, right?

Consider this scenario. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead moments later. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end from Mr. B?

The answer, if you did not know this before now is No. Judgment for everyone, sinners and saints happens at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - and according to Jesus Christ, Mr. A and Mr. B will both end up in the same exact bag for eternity, regardless of the difference in sin and circumstance.

No matter what you want to believe of sin or how you want to weigh them in your minds, the Truth according to Jesus Christ is that judgement will only happen after He returns and when He does judge, it will not matter what sin you committed or didn't commit but whether you are righteous or not - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. And I hope I don't need to tell you that sinners are unrighteous.

Nobody is exonerating sinfulness. Stop being blind. Even though all unrighteousness is sin, sexual immorality is not the most grievous sin.

When Jesus said a particular sin will not be forgiven, what does it mean? It is more grievous than others.

Use your logic, if you have it.

oshozondii:
https://independent.ng/sexual-sins-is-not-most-serious-sin-pope-francis/?utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter

Sin is sin.
No small or big sin.
Every sin unconfessed, unrepented of leads to hell.
You are a thief whether you steal N1 or N1m.

Finally,
One sin, just 1 sin
Is enough to send
A person to hell

James 2:10

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Every sin is sin. There is no small or big sin. Moses, the strong man of God could not enter the promised land simply because of disobedience. Jesus Christ fortold all such things will happen when the time nears. We must be misguided.

freeborn02:
Nobody is exonerating sinfulness. Stop being blind. Even though all unrighteousness is sin, sexual immorality is not the most grievous sin.

When Jesus said a particular sin will not be forgiven, what does it mean? It is more grievous than others.

Use your logic, if you have it.

Sometimes the kind of arguments one sees on this public forums just makes one appreciate the diverse nature of people we have in this world. A sin is singled out from all others and classed as 'unforgivable', but somehow in a million years, some people will never grasp the logic that this sin stands out from others. Weird!

Kobojunkie:
So because the one sin, out of maybe 100, comes with no parole, means some sins are more serious than others?

Consider this scenarion, if you wil. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead at that very moment. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end than that Mr. B will get?

If of all the sins in the world, one is singled out as being 'UNFORGIVABLE', it shouldn't take more than common sense to discern what this means; i.e. that this sin weighs more than the others. This your argument truly confuses me!

freeborn02:
1. Nobody is exonerating sinfulness. Stop being blind. Even though all unrighteousness is sin, sexual immorality is not the most grievous sin.

2. When Jesus said a particular sin will not be forgiven, what does it mean? It is more grievous than others.Use your logic, if you have it.

1. Pay attention! I never said anything about exonerated sin, instead what I am stating here is all sins are sins since they all result in eternal damnation.

2. Again, Consider this scenario. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead moments later. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end from Mr. B?

The answer, if you did not know this before now is No. Judgment for everyone, sinners and saints happens at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - and according to Jesus Christ, Mr. A and Mr. B will both end up in the same exact bag for eternity, regardless of the difference in sin and circumstance.

Open your minds eye to see that what you are attempting to argue is not as Jesus Christ set it.

headSmasher:
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. There is no fornication in marriage, fornication is between unmarried people, these are the words of Jesus Christ. I hope you understand what I mean by my statement now, No more divorce after wedding unless the lady deceived the man that he was a virgin.

There is no controversy my brother... In the Bible days when a woman is betrothed to a man... She is seem as his wife even before the marriage... That was why Joseph was planning to put away Mary who was betrothed to him because to him.. She had committed fornication and became pregnant... That is the point of Mathew 19:9 .....however in the marriage proper divorce is not allowed on any ground... In verse 5..5..7..8..the Lord told the people that divorce was not in the plan of God from the beginning and it's as a result of hardness of heart.... In 1st Corinthians 7:10..11 if you divorce you will remain without marrying anyone again... That is the word of God... You are encouraged in the scripture to forgive each other... If you don't forgive your partner how can God forgive you...??

obailala:
If of all the sins in the world, one is singled out as being 'UNFORGIVABLE', it shouldn't take more than common sense to discern what this means; i.e. that this sin weighs more than the others. This your argument truly confuses me!

Again, Consider this scenario. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead moments later. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end from Mr. B?

The answer, if you did not know this before now is No. Judgment for everyone, sinners and saints happens at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - and according to Jesus Christ, Mr. A and Mr. B will both end up in the same exact bag for eternity, regardless of the difference in sin and circumstance.

Kobojunkie:
1. Pay attention! I never said anything about exonerated sin, instead what I am stating here is all sins are sins since they all result in eternal damnation.

2. Again, Consider this scenario. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead moments later. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end from Mr. B?

The answer, if you did not know this before now is No. Judgment for everyone, sinners and saints happens at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - and according to Jesus Christ, Mr. A and Mr. B will both end up in the same exact bag for eternity, regardless of the difference in sin and circumstance.

Open your minds eye to see that what you are attempting to argue is not as Jesus Christ set it.

You are not paying attention. If you had been paying attention, you would have known that the pope wasn't exonerating sinfulness. He is just telling you a scriptural fact that sexual sin is not the most grievous sin.

freeborn02:
You are not paying attention. If you had been paying attention, you would have known that the pope wasn't exonerating sinfulness. He is just telling you a scriptural fact that sexual sin is not the most grievous sin.

Again, 1. Pay attention! I never said anything about exonerating sin, instead what I am stating here is all sins are sins since they all result in eternal damnation.

2. Again, Consider this scenario. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead moments later. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end from Mr. B?

The answer, if you did not know this before now is No. Judgment for everyone, sinners and saints happens at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - and according to Jesus Christ, Mr. A and Mr. B will both end up in the same exact bag for eternity, regardless of the difference in sin and circumstance.

Open your minds eye to see that what you are attempting to argue is not as Jesus Christ set it.

Kobojunkie:
Again, Consider this scenario. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead moments later. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end from Mr. B?

The answer, if you did not know this before now is No. Judgment for everyone, sinners and saints happens at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - and according to Jesus Christ, Mr. A and Mr. B will both end up in the same exact bag for eternity, regardless of the difference in sin and circumstance.

..and what if Mr. A repents? Why is it impossible for you to factor that into your analogy,

Common flu (catarrh etc) or even malaria can kill a person. Cancer of the lungs can also kill a person. But since both can take you to the same grave, does it automatically mean both have the same severity?

For one sin, you die instantly and hit hell straight. For the other sin, you have a chance to repent and make heaven, but Kobojunkie believes and argues with the world that both sins are the same?... I hail you! Nothing we no go see for this forum!

Kobojunkie:
Again, 1. Pay attention! I never said anything about exonerating sin, instead what I am stating here is all sins are sins since they all result in eternal damnation.

2. Again, Consider this scenario. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead moments later. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end from Mr. B?

The answer, if you did not know this before now is No. Judgment for everyone, sinners and saints happens at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - and according to Jesus Christ, Mr. A and Mr. B will both end up in the same exact bag for eternity, regardless of the difference in sin and circumstance.

Open your minds eye to see that what you are attempting to argue is not as Jesus Christ set it.

Who has said that sin isn't sin?

What is being argued here is whether some sins are weightier than others.

Somehow, you can't seem to get that.

obailala:
One sin, you die instantly and hit hell straight. The other sin, you have a chance to repent and make heaven, but Kobojunkie believes both are the same?... I hail you!

You don't die and hit hell straight with any sin.
Also, the chance to repent is not guaranteed anyone. Anyone can sin and die before he/she gets a chance to repent. Death will come when it comes so there are really no guarantees given with any sin,if you really think about it.

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Again, Consider the case of 2 sinners....

Mr. A is a virgin and a sinner. For 5 years, Mr. A harbored lust for his neighbor's wife. He had what could be considered an option for parole but Mr. A remained in sin even at that. Mr. B is a former believer who decided to curse God and die.

At 2 pm, Mr. A dropped dead from a heart attack and Mr. B dropped dead too from unknown causes.

Fast forward to judgment day, Mr.A. and Mr. B find themselves bound for the same places fo eternal damnation. Did it really matter which sin the other committed? Did it really matter how that Mr. A had so many chances to repent of his sin after all is said and done?

Kobojunkie:
Again, 1. Pay attention! I never said anything about exonerating sin, instead what I am stating here is all sins are sins since they all result in eternal damnation.

2. Again, Consider this scenario. Mr. A lusts after his neighbor's wife and moments later dies of a heart attack, while Mr. B lies against the Holy Spirit, and hits the ground dead moments later. Both men never got a chance to ask forgiveness of sins. Will Mr. A end up in with a different judgment at the end from Mr. B?

The answer, if you did not know this before now is No. Judgment for everyone, sinners and saints happens at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - and according to Jesus Christ, Mr. A and Mr. B will both end up in the same exact bag for eternity, regardless of the difference in sin and circumstance.

Open your minds eye to see that what you are attempting to argue is not as Jesus Christ set it.

Jesus said sin against the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven and other sins will be forgiven.

Are you saying Jesus Christ doesn't know what he is saying? Are you saying you know more than Jesus Christ?

GumGum:
Who has said that sin isn't sin?

What is being argued here is whether some sins are weightier than others.

Somehow, you can't seem to get that.

By what or whose standard do you weigh one sin against another?;

stiyke:
So David and Solomon soul have been destroyed in he'll?

looking on to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.
If you like keep looking unto David & Solomon or even samson,!

Kobojunkie:
By what or whose standard do you weigh one sin against another?;

Go through this thread again, slowly. You'll see what standard I and many others use.

Kobojunkie:
You don't die and hit hell straight with any sin.
Also, the chance to repent is not guaranteed anyone. Anyone can sin and die before he/she gets a chance to repent. Death will come when it comes so there are really no guarantees given with any sin,if you really think about it.

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Again, Consider the case of 2 sinners....

Mr. A is a virgin and a sinner. For 5 years, Mr. A harbored lust for his neighbor's wife. He had what could be considered an option for parole but Mr. A remained in sin even at that. Mr. B is a former believer who decided to curse God and die.

At 2 pm, Mr. A dropped dead from a heart attack and Mr. B dropped dead too from unknown causes.

Fast forward to judgment day, Mr.A. and Mr. B find themselves bound for the same places fo eternal damnation. Did it really matter which sin the other committed? Did it really matter how that Mr. A had so many chances to repent of his sin after all is said and done?

Lol... It's now amusing how several people are pointing out the flaw in your argument, but you just can't see it.

You keep saying "if Mr A dropped dead he would be in the same judgment shoe with Mr. B". But what if Mr. A repented before dropping dead? THe difference between the sin of Mr. A and the sin of Mr. B is that Mr. A has a chance to repent but Mr. B doesn't have that chance at all. You still can't see the difference? Amazing!!

GetMeRight:
Lol. People really need to join some astronomy groups on Facebook to understand that earth as it is, is just a tiny dot in the map of the universe. You die, you end. No hell, no heaven.

DECEPTION keep on deciving yourself. You see that is why Psalm 1:1 say blessed is the man that meditate on God's word, not rather sitting with scorners or walking in ungodly counsel as the so called astronomy group you mentioned.repent before it too late.

I dont know if you are a Christian or not but if you so some quick searches in the Bible you ld understand Gods perspective, and shared to us, on sins like pride. The devil didnt fail because of sex, he fell because of pride, that is rebellion. David committed murder, took someone's wife, lied about it, was even a hypocrite. Yet, when his sins found him out and he asked for forgiveness he was pardoned, though he still suffered the consequences. Now Saul only disobeyed, but display pride in his response to the prophet and his kingdom was taken from him.

Pride is the direct opposite of humility, and without humility we cannot see, serve or seek for forgiveness from God when we err. Pride is the negation of everything Christ came to do. Cause as long as a person refuse to accept a wrong doing in deviance, then how can forgiveness be sought for.

The bible says in 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray... We know Gods stance on the sin of pride.

Kobojunkie:
Sin is according to God's measure.... God alone is judge and arbiter where sin is concerned. So attempting to measure sin by man's standard is in itself a sin against God. What your pope did here is sin against God as He attempted to assert himself as master over that which is of God..

Wow!. Well, the commandment and Law of God is not meant for everybody just like the prison house. it's meant for the rebellious ones. God knows that the only way to reduce or stop human limitation is by giving them the law which he ask the people which Moses lead to write them down since dem no dey hear word. Live right and be humble mind you, God's way is not ours. Weather immoral sexuality or whatever you call it, sin na sin but there are sins we commit everyday that is not hearable in human sense. Like eg. Hate, Jealousy, disagreement, Malice, Pride and Ego all this can bring a full house, community, state, country and the word at large down.
Have you seen where sexual immorality causes war? Let's live life and live with love because when you love one another, all this bullshit wont surface at the first place.

[ liar,,so Abraham is in hell bcus he slept with his slave quote author=headSmasher post=108347512]The gOD of Igbo Catholics have spoken, GOD killed Onan for sexual deception, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for sexual perversion,10 of 12 Solomon kingdoms was handed over to his servant for sexual perversion and marrying of strange women, David son from Bathsheba died, he was chased by Absalom his son sent him away from the throne and slept with his wives on the roof top, David son Amnon raped Tamar, Amnon was killed, destruction came upon Israel all because of David sexual, the only thing that was able to balak to overcome Israel was sexual relationship with the ungodly, sexual sin brought down and consumed Samson, Even various laws of the Bible gave a draconian punishment of death fro sexual sin until CHRIST gave them the room for repentance, even up the now the only reason you can divorce your wife is if she is not a virgin when you marry her.[/quote]

Myer:
This is the result of failing comprehension in school.

You started your comment with this yet you're quoting the Bible for me...
You don't even know me.
Whatever the Pope said is his cup of tea, it doesn't affect me one bit. I didn't even talk about your beloved Pope so why come at me?

You're lucky I'm in a good mood this morning.