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Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by GetMeRight: 3:04pm On Dec 10, 2021
Bearfruit:
DECEPTION keep on deciving yourself. You see that is why Psalm 1:1 say blessed is the man that meditate on God's word, not rather sitting with scorners or walking in ungodly counsel as the so called astronomy group you mentioned.repent before it too late.

Who wrote that section again?
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by MisterKennedy(m): 3:15pm On Dec 10, 2021
kingxsamz:
You need to free yourself from mental slavery if at this age you still believe there's some everlasting furnace somewhere in another realm nobody has seen, where people are being punished for what they did on earth. If you look at it without being emotional or bias, it sounds like some ancient fictional story in some fairy tale novel.
It's only in Christianity that someone will rape and kill a little girl, but will end up in heaven for repenting, while the little girl who was raped and killed will end up in hell for not being a Christian.

Hmmm
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by MisterKennedy(m): 3:19pm On Dec 10, 2021
TinubuGoQuench:
Sex is good. It is part of human existence and part of human life. Religion is the phenomenon that made it look bad. Sex outside marriage is not bad. Religion is a scam!

Hi dear
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Bearfruit(f): 3:33pm On Dec 10, 2021
Mock on
GetMeRight:


Who wrote that section again?
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Kobojunkie: 5:23pm On Dec 10, 2021
GumGum:
Go through this thread again, slowly. You'll see what standard I and many others use.
By what or whose standard do you weigh one sin against another? undecided
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Kobojunkie: 5:26pm On Dec 10, 2021
obailala:
Lol... It's now amusing how several people are pointing out the flaw in your argument, but you just can't see it.

You keep saying "if Mr A dropped dead he would be in the same judgment shoe with Mr. B". But what if Mr. A repented before dropping dead? THe difference between the sin of Mr. A and the sin of Mr. B is that Mr. A has a chance to repent but Mr. B doesn't have that chance at all. You still can't see the difference? Amazing!! grin grin grin
Mr.A had 5 years - a probation period still existed, he thought, but no such guarantee in fact comes with any sin to anyone really - to repent before his death, but be never did. Mr.B didn't have 5 years to repent. They both hit the ground, dead, at the same time though. undecided


There is more to the repentance issue but this here is to make it as simple as can be for this discussion really. undecided
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Kobojunkie: 5:35pm On Dec 10, 2021
profmallor:
I dont know if you are a Christian or not but if you so some quick searches in the Bible you ld understand Gods perspective, and shared to us, on sins like pride. The devil didnt fail because of sex, he fell because of pride, that is rebellion. David committed murder, took someone's wife, lied about it, was even a hypocrite. Yet, when his sins found him out and he asked for forgiveness he was pardoned, though he still suffered the consequences. Now Saul only disobeyed, but display pride in his response to the prophet and his kingdom was taken from him.

Pride is the direct opposite of humility, and without humility we cannot see, serve or seek for forgiveness from God when we err. Pride is the negation of everything Christ came to do. Cause as long as a person refuse to accept a wrong doing in deviance, then how can forgiveness be sought for.

The bible says in 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray... We know Gods stance on the sin of pride.
If you were yourself a Christian, you would know not to consult the Old Covenant Law of Moses where Christianity is concerned. Those who are called by Jesus Christ are called, not according to God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, which is instead an agreement between God and those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins, as Law in the land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 undecided

Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant agreement between God and individuals , Law in the Kingdom of God, gave to His followers about 100 laws that clearly define sin for all to live by. undecided

Also,it is against God aka sin to add laws to, change existing laws or remove laws from God's Law - No man has authority to usurp God's role where His Law is concerned. So adding pride as a serious sin to God's commandment is a sin against God. undecided
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by obailala(m): 5:40pm On Dec 10, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Mr.A had 5 years - a probation period which isn't guaranteed anyone really- to repent before his death, but be never did. Mr.B didn't have 5 years to repent. They both hit the ground, dead, at the same time though. undecided


There is more to the repentance issue but this here is to make it as simple as can be for this discussion really. undecided
Lol... Mr. A has the chance to repent but Mr. B doesn't have that chance. This should already tell you that both crimes (or sins) have different weights in the eyes of God. End of Discussion!

Whether Mr. A chooses to use the 5 year chance he had or not is totally inconsequential and irrelevant. The point is that he had a chance which Mr. B didn't. Hopefully you will understand this English grammar one day.
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Kobojunkie: 5:41pm On Dec 10, 2021
obailala:
Lol... Mr. A has the chance to repent but Mr. B doesn't have that chance. This should already tell you that both crimes (or sins) have different weights. Whether Mr. A chooses to use the 5 year chance he had or not is inconsequential and irrelevant. The point is that he had a chance which Mr. B didnt.
Mr. A had the chance to repent but in the end that chance amounted to nothing and he ended up in the same hole, same sentence, as a man who committed the "unforgivable" sin against God. undecided

Whether you commit the small sin or the big sin,the judgment is the same. undecided
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by obailala(m): 7:12pm On Dec 10, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Mr. A had the chance to repent but in the end that chance amounted to nothing and he ended up in the same hole, same sentence, as a man who committed the "unforgivable" sin against God. undecided

Whether you commit the small sin or the big sin,the judgment is the same. undecided
So what if Mr. A repented, will he land in the same hole?
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Kobojunkie: 7:25pm On Dec 10, 2021
obailala:
So what if Mr. A repented, will he land in the same hole?

The truth is the answer to this question is levels above this here discussion. So long as Mr. A remains unrighteous, he would still end up in the same hole as Mr. B , this where Righteousness has to do with living above and beyond sin. undecided
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by obailala(m): 8:08pm On Dec 10, 2021
Kobojunkie:

The truth is the answer to this question is levels above this here discussion. So long as Mr. A remains unrighteous, he would still end up in the same hole as Mr. B , this where Righteousness has to do with living above and beyond sin. undecided
Lol... Why do you keep avoiding the scenario that he repents? You keep insisting on what happens if he remains 'unrighteous'; but the question I asked is "what if he repents? Would he still end up in the same hole as Mr. B (who had no option of repentance)?

You're desperately trying to avoid admitting to the obvious thing which several folks on this thread have been explaining to you.
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Kobojunkie: 8:15pm On Dec 10, 2021
obailala:
1. Lol... Why do you keep avoiding the scenario that he repents? You keep insisting on what happens if he remains 'unrighteous'; but the question I asked is "what if he repents? Would he still end up in the same hole as Mr. B (who had no option of repentance)?

2. You're desperately trying to avoid admitting to the obvious thing which several folks on this thread have been explaining to you.
1. Repentance from sin does not grant one an automagic ticket at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - righteousness does. So, it matters little to nothing whether one has repented from sin or not. What matters is whether one goes on to do the works expected or not. undecided

2. No desperation here. Simply considering the Truth as revealed to us all by Jesus Christ is all. undecided
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by obailala(m): 8:19pm On Dec 10, 2021
Kobojunkie:
1. Repentance from sin does not grant one an automagic ticket at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - righteousness does. So, it matters little to nothing whether one has repented from sin or not. What matters is whether one goes on to do the works expected or not. undecided

2. No desperation here. Simply considering the Truth as revealed to us all by Jesus Christ is all. undecided
Lol.. still dancing in circles grin

Okay if Mr. A repents and begins to live a righteous and holy life, what happens? Does he end up in the same hole as Mr. B (who had no option of repentance)?
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Kobojunkie: 8:42pm On Dec 10, 2021
obailala:
Lol.. still dancing in circles grin

Okay if Mr. A repents and begins to live a righteous and holy life, what happens? Does he end up in the same hole as Mr. B (who had no option of repentance)?
If Mr. A had done that before his expiration, he would have qualified. Sadly, Mr. A was not able to do all that before he expired, hence the scenario. undecided
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by obailala(m): 9:21pm On Dec 10, 2021
Kobojunkie:
If Mr. A had done that before his expiration, he would have qualified. Sadly, Mr. A was not able to do all that before he expired, hence the scenario. undecided
The Mr. A I refer to has since repented and is living a righteous life. But Mr. B never had that luxury of repentance cos his sin was mortal. At the end of the day, the point everyone in this thread has tried to point out to you is that all sins are not equally weighted. Some sins are stronger than others.
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by SireFrancesco00: 9:49pm On Dec 10, 2021
Righteousness2:
The Word of GOD, the Holy Bible says clearly that the wages of sin is Death.

The Word of GOD clearly says Fornicators , adulterers and Unrighteous folks will not see Heaven.
1Corithians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


Pope says it is not a serious sin.
These are the Last of the Last Moments. The foot soldiers and false Prophet of the antichrist are being revealed!

Watch and Pray that you will not be caught in their web of deceits and Delusion.

If you are engaging in sex outside Marriage, it is not Dating! It is Fornication! it is Evil. It is a terrible sin and will destroy your soul in Hell.

Immorality of any kind is Evil. Fornication, adultery, beastiality, homosexuality, lesbianism,etc. It is Sin and will Destroy your soul in Hell.

WHAT DID POPE FRANCIS SAY CONCERNING ADULTERY?

1. Recently the internet went on fire over the Pope's comment on an issue bothering on the sin of "Adultery" when a question was posited to him regarding a shepherd who is said to be founding wanting in that sin.

2. In the context of responding to the question he was asked, Pope Francis hinted that adultery is not the most grevious sin. Rather, he mentioned Pride and hatred as being more grevious.

3. Did the Pope say adultery is not a sin? No. Did he say people should be comfortable with adultery? No. Unfortunately, the different captions several bloggers have used to draw the attention of the public to what the Pope said, does not reflect the context in which the comment was made. The wrong use of media is indeed a terrible disease destroying our dispensation.

4. What implicitly did Pope Francis say and what lesson can be deduced from it?

The one who is guilty of adultery is not condemned yet. The one who would be condemned is the one whose pride would hinder his or her repentance.

5. In John 8, 3-11 the story of the woman caught in adultery is narrated. The scribes and Pharisees had brought her to Jesus to hear what he would say concerning her. They even came with stones to condemn her.

Jesus asked if any of them is without sin, let him be the first to cast the stone. They could not cast the stone on her but left one after another. However, they could have also asked for mercy, since they were also sinners.

What did Jesus say to the woman? "... Neither do I condemn you but go and sin no more" (John 8,11).

6. They came with stone to condemn her, and but for the intervention of Jesus, that woman would have been stoned to death. You can see the hatred of condemnation with which they brought her to Jesus.

7. While all unrighteousness is sin, yet there is a sin not unto death (I John 5:17). Genuine repentance keeps us reconciled with God and one another. How can there be true repentance without humility and love? Now you may understand what the Pope meant in the context of his comment on the 6th commandment, that pride and hatred are more grevious than adultery.

Conclusion

Before we comment and react to a post, it is good to understand the context relating to what we are commenting or reacting about. Many comment and react from minds filled with pride and hearts heavy with hatred.

If the Lord shall mark our guilt, who will survive? (Psalm 130:3-4) Love covers a multitude of sin (I Peter 4:cool. We are called to the holiness without which we shall not see God (Heb 12:14).

Love.

N.b: Stop jumping into the Bible to quoting it as you wish over what you may know little or nothing about. You cannot interpret the Bible better than the Church.

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Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by SireFrancesco00: 10:05pm On Dec 10, 2021
WHAT DID POPE FRANCIS SAY CONCERNING ADULTERY?


1. Recently the internet went on fire over the Pope's comment on an issue bothering on the sin of "Adultery" when a question was posited to him regarding a shepherd who is said to be founding wanting in that sin.

2. In the context of responding to the question he was asked, Pope Francis hinted that adultery is not the most grevious sin. Rather, he mentioned Pride and hatred as being more grevious.

3. Did the Pope say adultery is not a sin? No. Did he say people should be comfortable with adultery? No. Unfortunately, the different captions several bloggers have used to draw the attention of the public to what the Pope said, does not reflect the context in which the comment was made. The wrong use of media is indeed a terrible disease destroying our dispensation.

4. What implicitly did Pope Francis say and what lesson can be deduced from it?

The one who is guilty of adultery is not condemned yet. The one who would be condemned is the one whose pride would hinder his or her repentance.

5. In John 8, 3-11 the story of the woman caught in adultery is narrated. The scribes and Pharisees had brought her to Jesus to hear what he would say concerning her. They even came with stones to condemn her.

Jesus asked if any of them is without sin, let him be the first to cast the stone. They could not cast the stone on her but left one after another. However, they could have also asked for mercy, since they were also sinners.

What did Jesus say to the woman? "... Neither do I condemn you but go and sin no more" (John 8,11).

6. They came with stone to condemn her, and but for the intervention of Jesus, that woman would have been stoned to death. You can see the hatred of condemnation with which they brought her to Jesus.

7. While all unrighteousness is sin, yet there is a sin not unto death (I John 5:17). Genuine repentance keeps us reconciled with God and one another. How can there be true repentance without humility and love? Now you may understand what the Pope meant in the context of his comment on the 6th commandment, that pride and hatred are more grevious than adultery.

Conclusion

Before we comment and react to a post, it is good to understand the context relating to what we are commenting or reacting about. Many comment and react from minds filled with pride and hearts heavy with hatred.

If the Lord shall mark our guilt, who will survive? (Psalm 130:3-4) Love covers a multitude of sin (I Peter 4:cool. We are called to the holiness without which we shall not see God (Heb 12:14).

Love.

N.b: Stop jumping into the Bible to quoting it as you wish over what you may know little or nothing about. You cannot interpret the Bible better than the Church.
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by GetMeRight: 10:28pm On Dec 10, 2021
Bearfruit:
Mock on

Mock? Not at all! It's a sincere question except you don't ask questions when it is about religions
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Ungodly: 11:03pm On Dec 10, 2021
Nubski2021:
[ liar,,so Abraham is in hell bcus he slept with his slave quote author=headSmasher post=108347512]The gOD of Igbo Catholics have spoken, GOD killed Onan for sexual deception, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for sexual perversion,10 of 12 Solomon kingdoms was handed over to his servant for sexual perversion and marrying of strange women, David son from Bathsheba died, he was chased by Absalom his son sent him away from the throne and slept with his wives on the roof top, David son Amnon raped Tamar, Amnon was killed, destruction came upon Israel all because of David sexual, the only thing that was able to balak to overcome Israel was sexual relationship with the ungodly, sexual sin brought down and consumed Samson, Even various laws of the Bible gave a draconian punishment of death fro sexual sin until CHRIST gave them the room for repentance, even up the now the only reason you can divorce your wife is if she is not a virgin when you marry her.
back up the last sentence of your rants with a biblical verse mister
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by KENFERDYOORI(m): 12:21am On Dec 11, 2021
Righteousness2:
The Word of GOD, the Holy Bible says clearly that the wages of sin is Death.

The Word of GOD clearly says Fornicators , adulterers and Unrighteous folks will not see Heaven.
1Corithians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


Pope says it is not a serious sin.
These are the Last of the Last Moments. The foot soldiers and false Prophet of the antichrist are being revealed!

Watch and Pray that you will not be caught in their web of deceits and Delusion.

If you are engaging in sex outside Marriage, it is not Dating! It is Fornication! it is Evil. It is a terrible sin and will destroy your soul in Hell.

Immorality of any kind is Evil. Fornication, adultery, beastiality, homosexuality, lesbianism,etc. It is Sin and will Destroy your soul in Hell.


I think we underestimate the unfathomable mercy of God. If God were to mark our sins, no one, not even one, would survive. Yours mayn't be sexual immoralities, but other sins, surely.
The emphasis is on the effort we make, to come out of our sins, towards holiness...
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Squidbabe: 8:18am On Dec 11, 2021
You must be very funny for saying this . it shows u don't read your bible and pls stop deceiving ppl. Go and read 2 Samuel 12 :11 where God spelt out what he would do to David because of his sin ,then go down to verse 13-14 where God told him that he has forgiven him his sins but his son must die . Calamity will never seize from his household ,and truly if you read down David was from one problem to another which lasted years. Don't lead ppl astray pls . it is better you accept that yes you fornicate and ask God to help you out of it rather than trying to deceive your conscience and others .




headSmasher:
The sin of David never lasted more than one week before God forgave him, have you heard of the SURE MERCY OF DAVID, David received unparalleled favor, grace and mercy from GOD that cannot be march by any human being, it also extended all his generations, he was a man after GOD'S heart, Solomon repented before he died, some theologians said his last days were spent in the temple.
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Depsui(m): 7:41am On Dec 12, 2021
GoodIsGod:


Don't mind the guy that says the most greevious sin is the sin against the holy spirit.
Little did he know that a sin against your body is against the holy ghost because your body is the temple of the holy ghost.

The Pope himself is full of error. He lacks wisdom.

Sexual sin is not the the most greevious sin but the sin against the holy spirit is the most greevious.
Your body is the temple of the holy ghost and same body you use to fornicate , lesbianism , homosexuality etc.
Are you not greeving the holy ghost whose temple is your body.

Catholics should cover their faces in shame


You're saying nonsense. Sin against the Holy Spirit can't be forgiven. Are you saying that sexual sins can't be forgiven. Think before you talk.
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by GoodIsGod: 11:13am On Dec 12, 2021
Depsui:



You're saying nonsense. Sin against the Holy Spirit can't be forgiven. Are you saying that sexual sins can't be forgiven. Think before you talk.

If your body is the temple of the holy spirit and you fornicate or start lesbianism etc with it.
Who are you grieving?
Is it not same holy spirit?

Reason before you criticize
Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by Depsui(m): 5:33pm On Dec 12, 2021
GoodIsGod:


If your body is the temple of the holy spirit and you fornicate or start lesbianism etc with it.
Who are you grieving?
Is it not same holy spirit?

Reason before you criticize

Dude, when the Holy Spirit is living in you. Lying or gossiping with your mouth is not different from sex. So if having sex is grieving the Holy Spirit, then lying with your mouth is also grieving the Holy Spirit. Because your mouth is also part of your body.

My point is, sin against the Holy Spirit is a completely different thing entirely. Don't rewrite the Bible

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Re: Pope Francis: Sexual Sins Is Not Most Serious Sin by GuyfawkesAB(m): 5:44pm On Dec 14, 2021
Catechism has done a lot more brainwashing of Catholics than any other preaching or ideology.

Why do Catholics confess their sins to a Father, when the bible clearly states that we should confess our sins to Christ Jesus directly? The only place the Apostle Paul admonishes us on confession of sin is that we should confess them to one another so as to be able to edify and build ourselves up. Not to one man who your Catholicism has designated as to be able to forgive sins.

Why do you keep a statue of Mary or the assumed Jesus at every catholic parish and have people kneel and bow before it before proceeding into the auditorium? Some Mary organizations even hold meetings in front of these 'Shrines' and do obeisance and worship to this statues

Who is the bloody Pope that I can't tell him to his face that he lied if he did? Is he an angel?
That man is leading ya'll to hell. African conservatism is still preventing you from seeing the abominations that he is already giving his blessings to in America and Europe

GiantParrot:


As far as the ministry of Christ is concerned, no Catholic that freely believes in Christ, accepts the sacrifice on the cross, and accepts the teaching of love Christ has passed down is going to hell. You may be arrogant enough to believe you can take the place of God in judgement because you depend on your false confidence, but you're still irrelevant in matters of judgement.

You are guilty of several lies and I recommend that you seek forgiveness. You have lied against the Pope by claiming he said sexual sin was not a serious sin even though he said no such thing. But you were confident enough to make that claim. Normally this should be a sign that you should watch yourself before you speak with false confidence. You have also lied that the Catholic church teaches the worship of idols when in fact they only worship God. Regardless of what you may have heard, what you think, or what you feel, you may want to ask yourself if your conclusions are based on the same false confidence which has been established here.

I will leave you with Matthew 12:36-37, and I pray that you find the humility that God seeks in His followers.

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