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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Alabo7978(op): 12:08am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Golan007:No sir, I am not one of those uniformed people. The article isn't that long, try and read it..lol. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 12:12am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Alabo7978:Dear circumstantial librarian, when you get to that coven you call library tomorrow, you have just one very simple task. Even though I do not understand why it has become impossible. Get an upload any european authored document where Bonny people have ever claimed any other heritage apart from igbo. As you can clearly see here, Bonny people said they are igbos. So search very well in that your non-existent library, there must be somewhere where Bonny and Ijo is in the same sentence. So bring it and come and post for us. May the lord bless you as you do so.
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by ericuzor(m): 12:19am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Alabo7978:King Jaja of Opobo (full name: Jubo Jubofem; 1821–1891) was an Igbo merchant prince and the founder of Opobo city-state in an area that is now the Rivers State of Nigeria. Born in Umuduruoha Amaigbo in present day Imo State, he was taken to Bonny by slave raiders as a youth.[2][3] Jumo Jumofem later took the name "Jaja". Jaja earned his way out of slavery and rose to head the Anna Pepple House merchant faction of Bonny Island. Under him, Anna Pepple absorbed other trade houses until a dispute with the Manilla Pepple House led by Oko Jumbo compelled Jaja to break away to form the Opobo city-state (26 miles east of Bonny) in 1869. Opobo came to dominate the region's palm oil trade, and controlled fourteen of what were formerly Bonny's eighteen trade houses. Jaja blocked the access of British merchants to the interior effectively monopolizing trade; Opobo also shipped palm oil directly to Liverpool, independent of British middlemen. At the 1884 Berlin Conference the Europeans designated Opobo as British territory. When Jaja refused to cease taxing the British traders, Henry Hamilton Johnston, a British vice consul, invited Jaja for negotiations in 1887. Jaja was arrested on arrival aboard a British vessel; he was tried in Accra in the Gold Coast (now Ghana) then exiled, first to London, and later to Saint Vincent and Barbados in the British West Indies.[4][5] In 1891, Jaja was granted permission to return to Opobo, but died en route.[6] Following his exile and death, the power of the Opobo state rapidly declined. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 12:31am On Dec 14, 2021 |
ericuzor:Please, there is no one as Anna Pepple. It is Ani Pepple often mispelt as Annie Pepple. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Alabo7978(op): 12:38am On Dec 14, 2021 |
9Pluto:Lol, many people in Nigeria do not get to practice what they read in school, I also have another degree in industrial relation and personal management but that doesn't mean the school and courses didn't pass through me. Like I said, quit bringing up obsolete, weeded and discarded materials. Sorry no offense, how old are you? Didn't you write a project work in your first degree? Did you reference wrong materials or outdated ones that years ago were thought to be true, but aren't true later on. I can't keep spoon feeding you, I'm not your lecturer, it took me days out of my busy schedule to write that article, and I cited and referenced linguists, scholars, researchers, missionaries both from centuries ago and modern times. But to clear your delusion, below are bibliographies and references and comparative vocabulary classification coupled with Williamson and Blench finals classification in 2000. You can also call your deluded comrades to come and view. I can't waste my time to show you everything but check on those references and go and update yourself so you will stop your online propaganda which only ends here, but I'm schooling you so you will stop deceiving Bonny people in diaspora who probably has never visited their ancestral home. Bro this is a serious crime, you could be jailed for it.
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 12:51am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Alabo7978:It is interesting when you claim to have studied library science from Bayelsa, no wonder you have the audacity to post those ijaw doctored literature with recent references. Here, entertain yourself with the account of the man who has become your national nemesis. The Memoirs of Captain Hugh Crow The Life and Times of a Slave Trade Captain Edited by the Bodleian Library With an Introduction by John Pinfold Numerous documents attest to the horrific conditions endured by African slaves during the centuries of the Atlantic slave trade. Less well known is the perspective of those who wielded power during this dark time in human history. The Bodleian Library fills that gap here with the memoirs of a principal figure in the slave trade, Captain Hugh Crow. The first-hand account of a man who commanded one of the last legal slave vessels to cross the Atlantic, Life and Times of a Slave Trade Captain offers a revealing if frequently troubling look into the psyche of a slave trader. His chronicle leaves nothing to the imagination, as he recounts the harsh routine of daily life on a slave vessel, where on average a fifth of the crew—let alone the human cargo—never survived the crossing. Crow portrays himself as an “enlightened” slaver, a claim he justifies through the link between his close attention to his “negroes” and his financial success, and the songs composed for him by the slaves. His account also includes commentary on the social propriety of the slave trade and notes about the conditions on West Indian and Caribbean plantations as well as on slave ships. John Pinfold’s illuminating introduction recounts the life of Hugh Crow and sets him in the rich historical context of eighteenth-century mercantilism and its battle with the abolitionist movement. An eye-opening read, Life and Times of a Slave Trade Captain reveals an often overlooked facet in the complicated history of transatlantic slavery. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 1:03am On Dec 14, 2021 |
BKayy:You and this captain crow's work. I carefully looked at it line by line after reading what Paul hair said of Hugh Crow in 1967. For those who can't see the lines in the FIRST SCREENSHOT, I'll type it out in the words of Paul hair "The first actual words of ibani were recorded by Captain Hugh Crow, an English slave-trader who operated from Bonny around the end of the eighteenth century. From his account one would think that there was only one language, namely Eboe [Igbo] spoken at Bonny, BUT IN HIS WORDLIST OF 'EBOE', A FEW IBANI WORDS ARE FOUND CASUALLY EMBEDDED IN IT" Guys, focus closely on the circled blue word on the SECOND SCREENSHOT. "Barakiee" An ijo dialect! And 9pluto, bkayy and the other clowns keep wondering why you can't find an uneducated confused slave ship sailor's work on Encyclopedias? Paul hair literally exposed him. JANK23H Robbstark Come look at another fallacy from the captain Hugh Crow's misconception. And these primary school Biafra drop outs are using it to mislead people.
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Alabo7978(op): 1:18am On Dec 14, 2021 |
9Pluto:Funny enough, I lived most of my life in the east, I schooled in the east, infact I am currently staying in the east right now as I type. I hear the Igbo Language extremely clear and that poo up there only talks about he carrying slaves across the Atlantic and he is reputed for that and I don't see anything else written. Ijo doctored media from Sigismund Koelle (1845) John Clarke (1848) Kay Williamson (1960s) Crowther and pepple(1800s) Merrick(1840s) Sir Edwin Norris (1840s) William Balfour baikie (1840s) Gerrit Dimmendaal (1990s) Dr Köler (1800s) Williamson and Blench (2000) All of these people are scholars and linguists who aren't even from Nigeria not to mention ijo. Lol. I hope you sleep tonight. Keep crying....
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 1:25am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Alabo7978:If you are not an academic fraudster, i dare you to post the contents of those books one after the other. Remember to show us where Bonny people said they were ijaws.
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 1:27am On Dec 14, 2021 |
OfoIgbo:Lol,. But below is doctor baikie's collected numerals one to ten, including 6 vocabularies. Since when did igbos leave Ofu Abuo Ator Anno to be counting Nge Nme Tere Eni Sonna Sunio Lol, father lord, ofoigbo Biko ra'pu num kam'je nhu'ra. Mga puo echi ututu. Kachi buo ![]()
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 1:33am On Dec 14, 2021 |
9Pluto:Nigga stop daring stupid dares by flagging those wrong info that has been used as tissue paper since the 1800s. Look at the bitterness in your. You keep this captain crow's wrong info which was revealed by Paul hair and his mistakes which I showed you the mistake he did by inserting ijo Language. You're bitter. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 1:36am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Show us where Bonny people say they were ijos. Here they say they are igbos. Let us know if they became ijo in 1967 You condemned Crow. Now this is the same Baike you have been mentioning or do you want us to use Alagoa the ijaw historian of modern history?
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Alabo7978(op): 1:43am On Dec 14, 2021 |
9Pluto:I see you to be a researcher too. Find the works with the reference and citations. I also showed you screenshot on the groupings. Go back up again and visit them, I ain't entertaining you tonight. And the things i have known and read even as a 10 year old child will not be known or covered by you even when you get to 40. You're not on my level. When the crow climbs on the eagles back, the eagle ignores it but simply flies high beyond the cloud and the crow falls off from it's back because of lack of oxygen. Goodnight... |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 1:49am On Dec 14, 2021 |
9Pluto:Baikie interviewed slaves earlier on, but further research made him to understand Bonny was CHIEFLY PEOPLED by IBO SLAVES though they speak the OKOLOMA dialect. Baikie's collection of Bonny words collected from king pepple himself, and the report from pepple. For your eyes only ...
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Igboid: 1:52am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Speaking on Bonny Aboriginal Igbo ancestors. This is from the book: Lower Niger and it's Tribes by Leonard, Arthur Glynn 1906. Baike said Bonny ancestors came from Igbo land, Glynn said same, Captain Crow said same. We are yet to get one neutral account linking Bonny origin to people of Jos! Not one! We had 70 pages of thread asking Ijaws to provide one Colonial document that mentioned Jos( old name for Ijaw) and Bonny in one sentence. So far no answer!
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Igboid: 1:54am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Anonymous15:Since you want to quote Baike, this is what Baike said about Bonny ancestors. Can you show us where he linked Bonny to Jos men?
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 2:00am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Alabo7978:
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Igboid: 2:03am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Picture 1. William Balfour Baike Picture 2. Captain Crow Picture 3. Leonard, Arthur Glynn All three independent accounts correctly tracing the origin of Bonny ancestors and first settlers before slave trade, to Igbo land. No single account ever linked Bonny origin to land of Jos men in Kolokuma! Not one!
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by OfoIgbo: 4:12am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Anonymous15:You guys and wayo are like 5 and 6 King Pepple supplied Dr. Baikie with the counting systems of Ubani. The king gave both Ibani and Igbo counting system. But of course, the tie breaker, was the earlier Bonny counting system that captain Crow wrote down, which was just Igbo. Secondly, I thought we made it clear that evidence must come from ancient manuscripts and pre-colonial documents. Why did you now send a latter day attachment, intentionally twisted to look as though King Pepple only supplied the counting system of just one language, for landgrabbing purposes? |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by OfoIgbo: 4:25am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Anonymous15:Your attachment is not from Baikie's records directly. You guys are now quoting from modern books twisted in such a way as to remove the Igbo counting system that King Pepple gave side by side. The indigenes of Ubani also told him they're of Igbo ancestry. This is a huge blow you can never get past. So basically, the earlier writings by John Adams and Captain Crow, alongside Baikie's, have all confirmed that Bonny natives are Igbos. None of them even mentioned Brass or Kalabari, as their original area, let alone Ijo. Your fraud cannot get past me. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by OfoIgbo: 4:39am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Igboid:Interesting. So basically no pre-Nigerian documents written by a number of unrelated neutral observers, ever mentioned Brass, Kalabari or Jos, as the root foundation of Ubani. They have all mentioned the great Igbo race, as the core and founders of Ubani or Okoloma. John Adams, Crow, Baikie and now Glynn. I am looking forward to the eventual court case. Jos will be legally beaten silly |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by EzeCanada: 4:52am On Dec 14, 2021*. Modified: 10:22am On Dec 15, 2021 |
Alabo7978:Alabo, make you relax and "gear brake"! Deliquate these words of wisdom with some fresh served fisherman's soup. Something within me tells me you are a well natured person. I strongly believe you know the truth but choose to distort facts and postulate false narratives for some reasons best known to you. I want to remind you however, that those who walked simlar path in time past never ended well. Go figure! Relatedly, I realized you've been able to establish ( through independent research) that the biblical Eri is the progenitor of the Igbos. In case you are unaware, Eri's descendants prides themselves with a foreign policy formulation of " egbe bere ugo bere nke si ibe ya ebene nku kwaa ya". Meaning we are peaceful, tolerant and not territoral expansionists. I am sure you are also familiar with the quote below and the context in which it was made... “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” In light of the above, if I were you, I'd reconsider my steps and chose the part of greatness rather than damnation. It's never to late. Many thanks. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by oyatz(m): 7:18am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Investigative:A word can mean different things in different languages e.g Obi (Igbo)= Heart. Obi (Yor)= Parents |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by oyatz(m): 7:22am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Investigative:Apart from your personal opinions, you didn't provide any documentary evidence that support this assertion that Ijaws recently migrated to Nigeria. You can't know the history of a people more than the people. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by oyatz(m): 7:26am On Dec 14, 2021 |
BKayy:What you posted described the activities of a group of Ijaw sea pirates and nothing about the ancestral history and origin of the Ijaw people. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Investigative: 7:37am On Dec 14, 2021 |
oyatz:
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| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by oyatz(m): 7:37am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Many young igbo irredentists inspired by the IPOB agitations for Republic of Biafra are trying to re-define the ethnic identities of many places along the southern coast on social media. However, one major fact they forget to acknowledge is the PEOPLE concerned. Do Bonny and Opobo peoples see themselves as Igbos in 2021? You can NOT tell or know the history of a people more than the peoples themselves. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by oyatz(m): 7:43am On Dec 14, 2021 |
[quote author=Investigative post=108482317][/quote]What you posted talked about the activities of Ijaw sea pirates and NOT the ancenstral histories of the Ijaw people. Someone in 2096 reading a 2010 Newspaper article about the criminal activities of fulani Herdsmen won't be reading a documentary history of the Fulanis. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 8:49am On Dec 14, 2021 |
oyatz:Ijaws are obviously later migrants to the delta who are emboldened by their success in absorbing/eliminating other tribes they met on ground. Ask your ijaw friends why has it become almost impossible for them to provide a 19th century document Bonny people claim an Ijaw descent? Why? |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by RobbStark(m): 8:55am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Anonymous15:Like I said in a previous thread, brother I am done going back n forth with these ipob miscreants. They ain't worth it. I ask them to show me an Opobo or Bonny man who is from these places at the same time Ibo, they haven't. Rather they showed me people speaking eboe. Is it that Ibo people who are from bonny or Opobo are not members of this forum, not even one. There they have their answers. Until then, I am channeling my energy into something productive. Ibaniapu, Omni mni. Omiebam! |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by JANK23H(m): 9:12am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Alabo7978:They do... His inaccurate account makes them feel good so they'll hold on to it regardless. |
| Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Alabo7978(op): 9:18am On Dec 14, 2021 |
JANK23H:True. I thought that boy knew something. He was openly challenging me to a debate, Debate with an obsolete material o. That's make I leave money I dey find come dey debate with drug addict. Still I for roast am like asun. |
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refers to Obā́ne as the name for these people given by the Ibos and Kerekas [Okrika]. 