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Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Alabo7978(m): 3:51pm On Dec 13, 2021
Over the modern years, the people of Bonny (okoloama) has grown from strength to strength, the oil rich city state has etched it’s name in the annals of European and African history; from it’s first contact with the Portuguese/ Brits and the start of the slave trade, to the industrial revolution and the export of palm oil which was in high demand for the lubrication of industrial engines and the making of soap and margarines.
The sandbank and marshy land known traditionally as Okolo-ama (curlew town) was named after the first settlers discovered a large number of the okolo(curlew) but if anyone would have told them how great their marshy land will turn out in hundreds of years time, they probably would have doubted because the delta in those days were naturally swampy and filled with death hence the reason for the name “white man's graveyard” but still it’s tall mangroves was the pride of the ancient Oru people who settled in Hamlets traditionally known as (Ama or Biri)
HOW DID THE COASTAL DWELLERS OF BONNY FARE PRIOR TO THE SLAVE TRADE?
Trading canoes were of utmost importance and it was with trading canoes the coastal dwellers moored up stream towards the hinterlands to buy the crops grown in the Igbo country as noted by Dr Köller a German doctor who worked as a physician in Bonny in the beginning of the 19th century.
In his work he noted that “There is where most of the Bonny canoes go to purchase provisions including smelted weapons for the coastal dwellers…
They call Igbo land IGBINNI, it lies at the source of the delta and is full of great forests and mighty trees. It is very rich in natural products such as maize, rice, oil palms, cotton, dye woods”
Owing to the death and wildness of the swamps and mangroves, the people of the hinterlands never brought their goods to the coastal dwellers including the Benins who also recorded the Deltas as a wasteland, the coastal dwellers had no other option than to navigate the waters and creeks with dried fish and salt(cooked from the ocean) to batter with their neighbors.

FROM SETTLEMENTS/FISHING CAMPS TO WEALTHY CITY STATES.
The settlements at the Advent of the Europeans grew rapidly in strength and wealth following the years that came with the slave trade, more notable ijo city states like Bonny, Nembe, kalabari and okrika became wealthy and powerful owing to rifles and cannons gotten from the white men for whom they sourced slaves for from the hinterlands.
The trade on human cargoes by the coastal dwellers who were go-betweeners made the city states of Nembe, new calabar(kalabari) and more especially Bonny the wealthiest of the IJO city states. Owing to their wealth and Autonomous position including their rise to prominence, these city states were suddenly distanced from there kinsmen in other less prominent coastal clans of the ancient Oru people.

THE FOUNDATION OF THE KINGSHIP AND THE HOUSE(WARI) SYSTEM
King Asimini was the first crowned king of okoloama(Bonny) and was the first to arrange the housing system known traditionally as ‘Wari’. The current house (Wari) system which consist of 34 chieftaincy group is directly descended from the King Asimini and Alagbiriye the Ikuba priest who is known with the title ‘okoloamakoromabo’

THE LINK TO THE HINTERLANDS
Owing to the need of the coastal dwellers to have easy access to the cash crops grown in the thick forests of the Igbo country, Edemini the son and successor to Asimini wedded his daughter Kambasa to Opoli of Azuogu and influential man of the Ndoki clan of the Igbo country to Foster easy trade with the Ndoki’s who depended on the goods from up the imo river(including human cargoes) in Ndoki land; further throwing light to Dr koeller who revealed that “most of the people who were not born in Bonny are either slaves from the Igbo country or were at least brought here(Bonny) by the ibos from the interior”
Kambasa while married was barely liberated and hindered greatly. She returned to Bonny when king Edimini was on his sickbed and stayed by his side till his death. Upon his death, she seized upon the mantle of leadership and was crowned Queen. Kambasa who later took a lover named Biriye became the great grand mother to king Perekule I

WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF BONNY?
Following the morphing of a swampy settlement traditionally known and called 'okoloama' named after the curlew bird known by many Oru(ijoid) clan as okolo or okolain, ama (town) in English curlew town, no other tribe from the hinterlands or the west came to dwell owing to the nature of the area.
Dr Köller noted that “THE BONNY LANGUAGE IS THE MOTHER TONGUE OF ONLY A SECTION OF THE BONNY PEOPLE; for others, it is only AN ADOPTED LANGUAGE, for the large part of the coastal people especially at Bonny consist of slaves who are purchased or seized by other tribes, sometimes from great distance. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT BORN IN BONNY WERE EITHER SLAVES FROM IGBO LAND OR ATLEAST BROUGHT HERE BY THE IBOS FROM THE INTERIOR”
Note: Köler's work 1842-43 are reprinted as Köler 1848.

CAPTAIN HUGH CROW; the misconception
Captain Crow nicknamed playman, a renowned slave trader and Marauder of the Atlantic in his journals collected information that was the beginning of the misconception only to a few uniformed ibos from the interior.
Crow collected words from slaves who were either bound for the Atlantic voyage as slave captains were mostly anchored at the coast, leaving local rulers to source for slaves. As a result of this, vocabularies collected by Captain Hugh Crow were not vocabularies associated with the Bonny dialect.
The research on coastal vocabularies by Dr Balfour Baikie, Sir Edwin Norris who was the assistant secretary of the royal Asiatic society began by collecting Numerals in the Bonny dialect, and not forgetting the enigmatic british missionary John Clarke who in 1848 began to group the ijoid Languages.
Although the journal of Captain Hugh Crow is still accessible as an E-journal on the sole reason of it being a personal journal, but it isn’t found, referenced or cited in reputable information sources like Encyclopedia BRITANNICA or Wikipedia.

JOHN CLARKE; the subsequent expedition
In the 1840’S Clarke a British missionary along with his Afro-American colleague Merrick on quest to identify the languages to address the coastal dwellers stumbled on the ijoid dialects and looked into it extensively.
“Merrick collected his wordlists in an unsystematic way” as stated by British BIBLIOGRAPHER (Paul hair 1967)
Clarke was the first to began grouping the ijoid Languages when he listed kalabari and the Bonny dialect under the ijo or Oru language. in 1848 he added two more dialects; numbe(Nembe) and Akrika(Okrika)

DR William BALFOUR BAIKIE; The 1854 Voyage
From the Rio Formoso to the Nun, including all the western portion of the Delta, the natives speak Orú or Ejó, and to the westward of Abó a distinct dialect is used, namely the Sóbo. NÍMBE or BRASS IS VERY NEARLY RELATED TO THE ORÚ… BUT HERE THE DIALECT CLOSELY APPROACHES THAT OF NEW KALABAR (KALABARI) _
(Baikie 1856:419)
The numerals 1-10 in bonny which he collected personally from King Perekule (nicknamed pepple) with an extra 6 wordlist of six items all from the Bonny dialect.

1----------------nge
2--------------- nmé
3---------------- tére
4----------------- éni
5---------------- sónna
6----------------- súniu
7----------------- soniáma
8------------------ ínine
9------------------ éséníé
10----------------- atí-oyí
Water------------- míngi
Fire----------------- féne
God----------------- Támọno
Idol-----------------djú-dju (widespread loanword)
House---------------wári
Mat-------------------bíle

The compilation of the Polyglotta Africana in 1850 published in 1854 by German scholar Sigismund Koelle (not Dr Köler) who worked for the Church Missionary Society (CMS) in Freetown Sierra Leone was a systematic collection of African
Collection of vocabularies of African languages, compiled by interviewing the freed slaves who had been resettled in Freetown. Koelle used a standard wordlist of about three hundred items and added notes on his Informants and their homelands, from which he was able to draw a map which is remarkably accurate for a Period when no European knew the interior of West Africa. His vocabularies are grouped according to genetic relationship in so far as he could trace it from the wordlists. He has two wordlists of Ịjọ, grouped together as V.C., the group which conjoins Igboid and Edoid. The first list, ´Okulōma, is a wordlist of bonny, Named for the town Ókólómá, although Koelle’s informant was from Orupiri (órúpírí) Koelle (1854:cool refers to Obā́ne as the name for these people given by the Ibos and Kerekas [Okrika].
Williamson (1966) discusses Koelle’s Ịjọ lists in detail. In the case of bonny, she shows that some 73% of Koelle’s forms were accurate and also yield much interesting information about lexical and phonological change in the language.
The final voyage by Samuel Crowther. For the British crown in his missionary travel will further correct any misconception held by the hinterland neighbors.
And it reads;
“TERMINOLOGY FROM KING PEPPLE,
Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves
Bonny is called okoloBA, obani or ibani by the ibos
Bonny is called Osiminikun by the Aboh tribe of ibo
King Pepple said that Bonny is CHIEFLY PEOPLED by the IBO SLAVES though they speak the OKOLOMA or Bonny dialect which is also the language of new Calabar (kalabari)
I remain Rev and Dear sir
Your obedient humble servant;
Samuel crowther”
All of these researches relegated the journals of Captain Hugh crow to just a personal journal or a family relic for its posterity, reason it is never referenced or cited in reputable information sources such as Encyclopedia BRITANNICA or Wikipedia.


THE EMANCIPATION OF SLAVES IN BONNY; the rise of Igbo chiefs and the Genesis of the great misconception by the hinterLANDERS.
Owing to the rivalry with new calabar (kalabari) both kingdoms were always at loggerheads with each other, King Perekule I became the first king to employ the services of slaves to serve as comrades of battle with the promise of emancipation and a possible promotion of the high position of chieftaincy if valor is shown in battle. These new batches of house began with Chief Allison Nwaoju(of the Allison Nwaoju Major house) these new batches of houses are distinct from the original traditional royal houses known as 'duawari' (reason Jaja was never qualified to be AMAYANABO despite being enculturated and heading the Anna pepple house)
The chiefs of the Duawari houses were known as 'Aseme-alapu' which translates to (high chiefs of royal blood)
In summary, it is well known that the Ndoki dialect of the Igbo ethnic group is well spoken in Bonny but only as a second language. The Bonny Language alongside other coastal dialects has been studied extensively by dutch linguist Gerrit Dimmendaal who first mentioned that the ijoid Languages though of the niger-congo in a larger concept is more distinct and stands more alone from the niger-congo.
British linguists Williamson and Blench (2000) classified the ijoid dialect into (WEST-CENTRAL, INLAND, EASTERN ijoid dialect; of which the Bonny clan falls into)

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Alabo7978(m): 3:56pm On Dec 13, 2021
The curlew (okolo) is the symbol and bird in which the traditional name of Bonny was named (okolo-ama)
I will want to know what the curlew bird is called in the Igbo dialect.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Golan007: 3:56pm On Dec 13, 2021
Hope you are not claiming Bonny as Eboe?

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by BKayy: 4:02pm On Dec 13, 2021
Bonny History as documented by those that met Fubara PEPPLE, Jaja of Opobo etc.

Read to your heart content.

Bonny and Opobo were never Ijaw. The revision started in 1971 by a despicable man known as Alagoa.
The lies survived until this year because of the bad Educational system of Nigeria that renders graduates as Educated Illiterates

The 2nd and 3rd Pictures are the languages Captain Hugh Crow met at Bonny in 1830. You can see the numbers as well.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by mrvitalis(m): 4:03pm On Dec 13, 2021
So ndoki is no longer ijaw ? LMAO I wonder why all this noise

Highest international court of abitration would hear both parties and decide ...

We can also test corpes that are over 300 to 500 year old to find out who they are related to igbos or ijaws

So no need for all this talks that won't change much

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by BKayy: 4:05pm On Dec 13, 2021
The longest lie in Nigeria is that Bonny is Ijaw.
The lie started in 1971 and managed to last until 2021 because Nigerians don't read.

Like the whites say "If you want to hide something from a Black man, do it in a book"

Alagoa did that perfectly and Nigerians lived in that lie until Social media and Internet came up.
Thanks to Nairaland, Facebook etc where people like us can help blow the lies with Truth.
All you have heard about Bonny before now (anyone that points to Ijaw) are simply lies.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Investigative: 4:08pm On Dec 13, 2021
Alabo7978:
The curlew (okolo) is the symbol and bird in which the traditional name of Bonny was named (okolo-ama)
I will want to know what the curlew bird is called in the Igbo dialect.

Okolo is an igbo name
Ama is also an igbo name
Okolo mean a young youth
Ama means compound
The bird called okolo ama was derive from his regular gesture of patrolling people’s compound
Hence that name
Okolo ama

So now that you have expose you ignorant
tell us what that bird is Calle in ijaw language

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 4:10pm On Dec 13, 2021
BKayy:
The longest lie in Nigeria is that Bonny is Ijaw.
The lie started in 1971 and managed to last until 2021 because Nigerians don't read.

Like the whites say If you want to hide something from a Black man, do it in a book"

Alagoa did that perfectly and Nigerians lived in that lie until Social media and Internet came up.
Thanks to Nairaland, Facebook etc where people like us can help blow the lies with Truth.
All you have heard about Bonny before now (anyone that points to Ijaw) are simply lies.

You keep mentioning Alagoa,
But this is Samuel crowther and pepple in the 1700s

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by BKayy: 4:10pm On Dec 13, 2021
The map and the question of "Okoloma"
The same place can be found in Ndoki part of Obigbo LGA, Rivers state today.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by BKayy: 4:11pm On Dec 13, 2021
Anonymous15:

You keep mentioning Alagoa,
But this is Samuel crowther and pepple in the 1700s
Bonny peoples description of Jo men in 18th century (those that call themselves Ijaw today)
Bonny People called them "Ejó"

The same savage pirates known as "Ejó" by Bonny people, "Jo men" by the British and later "Ijaw" by Nigerians are now claiming landlords in Bonny today.

Quite hilarious, isn't it?

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 4:11pm On Dec 13, 2021
Investigative:

Okolo is an igbo name
Ama is also an igbo name
Okolo mean a young youth
Ama means compound
The bird called okolo ama was derive from his regular gesture of patrolling people’s compound
Hence that name
Okolo ama

So now that you have expose you ignorant
tell us what that bird is Calle in ijaw language
So how do you connect the dots with the bird which is the emblem of the Bonny people??
I'm curious

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Investigative: 4:13pm On Dec 13, 2021
Anonymous15:

So how do you connect the dots with the bird which is the emblem of the Bonny people??
I'm curious
Why should Bonny Call a bird igbo name and the same time claim otherwise

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 4:20pm On Dec 13, 2021
Investigative:

Okolo is an igbo name
Ama is also an igbo name
Okolo mean a young youth
Ama means compound
The bird called okolo ama was derive from his regular gesture of patrolling people’s compound
Hence that name
Okolo ama

So now that you have expose you ignorant
tell us what that bird is Calle in ijaw language
Ama is means settlement,
There is
Odioama
Krakraama
Dieama
Mbiama
Obiama
Etc

Ijo is a Language with many dialect identified by linguist such as Gerrit Dimmendaal, Williamson, flench, jenewari, Paul hair, Sigimund koeller,

You should start quoting linguist.

Just as the Igbo Language is large and has Onitsha, owerri, mbano, umuahia etc

That is how the ijoid Languages are too, comprising of Nembe, okrika, calabar kalabari, Bonny, etc.

Its not that difficult.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 4:27pm On Dec 13, 2021
Investigative:

Why should Bonny Call a bird igbo name and the same time claim otherwise
That's where you're wrong bro.
A Language has dialects under it.
Bonny dialect speak the same language as kalabari, it is not also dinsticnt from Nembe who call the same bird okolain

Do you see the similarity?

Just because a Japanese footballer answer Itachi doesn't mean he is Igbo.
There are phonological sounds with same spelling and different pronunciation.
Look at that document attached, that was a document from pepple and crowther to the British crown.

Read carefully.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Investigative: 4:29pm On Dec 13, 2021
Anonymous15:

Ama is means settlement,
There is
Odioama
Krakraama
Dieama
Mbiama
Obiama
Etc

Ijo is a Language with many dialect identified by linguist such as Gerrit Dimmendaal, Williamson, flench, jenewari, Paul hair, Sigimund koeller,

You should start quoting linguist.

Just as the Igbo Language is large and has Onitsha, owerri, mbano, umuahia etc
Ijaw are immigrants imported by Britain during

That is how the ijoid Languages are too, comprising of Nembe, okrika, calabar kalabari, Bonny, etc.

Its not that difficult.
ijawa are immigrants that recently migrated to Nigeria
I see no reason to argue with them
When they claim every indigenous people they met on ground are ijaw
Is the very laughable

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Investigative: 4:30pm On Dec 13, 2021
Anonymous15:

That's where you're wrong bro.
A Language has dialects under it.
Bonny dialect speak the same language as kalabari, it is not also dinsticnt from Nembe who call the same bird okolain

Do you see the similarity?

Just because a Japanese footballer answer Itachi doesn't mean he is Igbo.
There are phonological sounds with same spelling and different pronunciation.
Well your argument is lame
Till you tell me what okolo also mean in ijaw

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 4:35pm On Dec 13, 2021
Investigative:

Well your argument is lame
Till you tell me what okolo also mean in ijaw
Funny enough I'm not even an ijo man as per clan.
My clan is Nembe.

I am not that good in speaking the pure ijo.
I just told you what Nembe call it 'okolain'
Okrika calls it same too,
Calabari calls it okolo

You as an Igbo man can't speak all the dialect under IBO.
Yersterday I heard owerri Igbo and it sounded weird from the other Igbo.
Same with abakiliki Igbo whom you igbos call Chinese Igbo.
So Mr Man stop playing that card.

Tell me what you call the curlew bird in Igbo.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Kinematics: 4:47pm On Dec 13, 2021
Op you get time to dey reply ibo stupidit*

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by BKayy: 4:54pm On Dec 13, 2021
Investigative:
ijawa are immigrants that recently migrated to Nigeria
I see no reason to argue with them
When they claim every indigenous people they met on ground are ijaw
Is the very laughable
Proved by the Slave-Ship captains, and British people that based at Bonny in 17,18 and 19th century

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 5:05pm On Dec 13, 2021
BKayy:

Proved by the Slave-Ship captains, and British people that based at Bonny in 17,18 and 19th century
Obiama is a core ijo clan and they were notorious for piracy,
Other ijo clans headed by the king of Nembe put a stop to it.

Igbos are notorious for peddling drugs national and international but does it make the entire igbos drug peddlers?
My brother do better.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 5:10pm On Dec 13, 2021
Ijaws are recent migrants East of the delta and they are hell bent on pursuing an expansionists agenda with people of diverse ancestry.

The OP in his selective amnesia didn't show us where King Pepple stated he is of igbo descent.

Can he at least show us where ijo/jo men were talked about in Bonny history.

IGBOS WERE THE FIRST TO SETTLE IN BONNY and Ebane is the dialect of Igbo language spoken by Bonny people.

Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 5:11pm On Dec 13, 2021
BKayy:
The map and the question of "Okoloma"
The same place can be found in Ndoki part of Obigbo LGA, Rivers state today.
You keep recycling this trash.
There are many part of the world where a city is named in another location too.

OKOLOMA was the area Queen Kambasa and some servants moved to when her father Edimini married her off to a man known as Opoli just to Foster trade with the Ndoki people who controlled the imo river because cash crops like yams, rice, palm oil, maize were not grown in Bonny.
That place was also where the Bonny people camp when they come to oyigbo back in those days to buy slave.
In that same obigbo, we can both attest there is Calabar quarters, OHAFIA QUATERS, mbano camp, ABRIBA QUATERS, but does it means the said town own the obigbo and ndoki area?
The OKOLOMA you're pointing was simply a camp of the Bonny people during slave or cash crop trading.
Quit the double standards brother man.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 5:27pm On Dec 13, 2021
9Pluto:
Ijaws are recent migrants East of the delta and they are hell bent on pursuing an expansionists agenda with people of diverse ancestry.

The OP in his selective amnesia didn't show us where King Pepple stated he is of igbo descent.

Can he at least show us where ijo/jo men were talked about in Bonny history.

IGBOS WERE THE FIRST TO SETTLE IN BONNY and Ebane is the dialect of Igbo language spoken by Bonny people.
With your logic, show us in enugu, owerri, umuahia ancient history where Igbo was mentioned.
Stop speaking like someone who knows nothing.
During those days when people migrate, they do not call themselves the name of the place they migrate from, they simply name the town after their leader or something else symbolic,
Leave the connection to oral history of the people or atleast leave it to linguist to ascertain the kind or the type of Language spoke.
You claim ibos were the mode of dressing, even the hat and the wrapper reeks of the ijo dressing.
Where is your ishi agu?
Where is your red cap?
Why do they answer AMAYANABO instead of obi or eze or igwe?
Linguist and scholars such as Gerrit Dimmendaal Williamson flench jenewari Paul-hair, Sigimund koeller, balkie etc have grouped the Languages but you're here showing ignorance.

The article revealed Perekule made some igbos chief(I agree) but those chiefs are lesser Chief's compared to the Duawari houses of chiefs who were the older ancestral houses.
that is why no one from the Igbo houses can be king because the igbos there are descended from slaves.

Mr Man there is the ijoid branch of Language and every intelligent person know of it.

Like the post says
"Misconception of the hinterland Ibos"
The post isn't for Bonny people because they know their history.

Your points and deception will only deceive people in diaspora and few gullible hinterlanders.
I am very sure you and your cohorts haven't been to Bonny before, go and enquire, and when next you quote me, quote me with a linguist.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Nobody: 5:40pm On Dec 13, 2021
JANK23H
Robbstark
Ditaridesciple2


This article is well detailed, with historical backing not only of the coastal people, but of scholars and linguists
Do not argue with these people, all you have to do is share for the people in diaspora.
Because the Bonny people know their history already.
Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by Alabo7978(m): 6:11pm On Dec 13, 2021
BKayy:
Bonny History as documented by those that met Fubara PEPPLE, Jaja of Opobo etc.

Read to your heart content.

Bonny and Opobo were never Ijaw. The revision started in 1971 by a despicable man known as Alagoa.
The lies survived until this year because of the bad Educational system of Nigeria that renders graduates as Educated Illiterates

The 2nd and 3rd Pictures are the languages Captain Hugh Crow met at Bonny in 1830. You can see the numbers as well.
This is the same captain crow's work I wrote about.
The misconception is too much and was greatly flawed because the first expedition only collected IBO words.
Edwin Norris, balkie, Merrick, John Clarke, in the second expedition began collecting other vocabularies from other dialect.
Crowther also did same too
Sigimund koeller a German scholar also did that too while he interviewed freed men in SIERRA LEONE and it was came to be known that the ijo Language indeed had branches.
Further linguist such as Paul blair, Williamson in the early 20th century, Gerrit Dimmendaal, flench, jenewari in the 21st century also studied the linguas and they all concluded it under the ijoid branch.
Captain Hugh crow's work was a misconception, that is why you won't find it in any reputable information site (quoted or cited)
Because it has been weeded and discarded from major libraries.
However it is only kept in online journals because it is a journal.
It was after the second and third expedition, that crowther took this document I shall attach to be sent to Britain
Please read and understand the document carefully.
And when you're done, quit reference obsolete and fallacious information that is misleading and has been weeded from major libraries in the world.

Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by BKayy: 6:19pm On Dec 13, 2021
Alabo7978:

This is the same captain crow's work I wrote about.
The misconception is too much and was greatly flawed because the first expedition only collected IBO words.
Edwin Norris, balkie, Merrick, John Clarke, in the second expedition began collecting other vocabularies from other dialect.
Crowther also did same too
Sigimund koeller a German scholar also did that too while he interviewed freed men in SIERRA LEONE and it was came to be known that the ijo Language indeed had branches.
Further linguist such as Paul blair, Williamson in the early 20th century, Gerrit Dimmendaal, flench, jenewari in the 21st century also studied the linguas and they all concluded it under the ijoid branch.
Captain Hugh crow's work was a misconception, that is why you won't find it in any reputable information site (quoted or cited)
Because it has been weeded and discarded from major libraries.
However it is only kept in online journals because it is a journal.
It was after the second and third expedition, that crowther took this document I shall attach to be sent to Britain
Please read and understand the document carefully.
And when you're done, quit reference obsolete and fallacious information that is misleading and has been weeded from major libraries in the world.
You only posted Crowther's letter that has nothing to do with you JO-MEN .

1st pic = Hugh Crow
2nd Pic = Baike
3rd Pic = How Bonny People saw Jo men aka Ijaw people. They called you savage pirates "EJÓ"

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 6:34pm On Dec 13, 2021
Anonymous15:

With your logic, show us in enugu, owerri, umuahia ancient history where Igbo was mentioned.
Stop speaking like someone who knows nothing.
During those days when people migrate, they do not call themselves the name of the place they migrate from, they simply name the town after their leader or something else symbolic,
Leave the connection to oral history of the people or atleast leave it to linguist to ascertain the kind or the type of Language spoke.
You claim ibos were the mode of dressing, even the hat and the wrapper reeks of the ijo dressing.
Where is your ishi agu?
Where is your red cap?
Why do they answer AMAYANABO instead of obi or eze or igwe?
Linguist and scholars such as Gerrit Dimmendaal Williamson flench jenewari Paul-hair, Sigimund koeller, balkie etc have grouped the Languages but you're here showing ignorance.

The article revealed Perekule made some igbos chief(I agree) but those chiefs are lesser Chief's compared to the Duawari houses of chiefs who were the older ancestral houses.
that is why no one from the Igbo houses can be king because the igbos there are descended from slaves.

Mr Man there is the ijoid branch of Language and every intelligent person know of it.

Like the post says
"Misconception of the hinterland Ibos"
The post isn't for Bonny people because they know their history.

Your points and deception will only deceive people in diaspora and few gullible hinterlanders.
I am very sure you and your cohorts haven't been to Bonny before, go and enquire, and when next you quote me, quote me with a linguist.

I find it interesting when ignorant crooks like you try to rewrite history.
Nobody alive today existed back in the days so our only source of information was recorded history which Europeans did justice to.

Your dare ask where igbo was mentioned in ancient history? This obviously exposes your crooked ignorance. King Pepple and Bonny natives were igbos and they were the ones trading in slaves. No amount of historical fabricaction will change those sacred facts.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 6:36pm On Dec 13, 2021
BKayy:

You only posted Crowther's letter that has nothing to do with you JO-MEN .

1st pic = Hugh Crow
2nd Pic = Baike
3rd Pic = How Bonny People saw Jo men aka Ijaw people. They called you savage pirates "Ejo"
Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 6:42pm On Dec 13, 2021
Alabo7978:

This is the same captain crow's work I wrote about.
The misconception is too much and was greatly flawed because the first expedition only collected IBO words.
Edwin Norris, balkie, Merrick, John Clarke, in the second expedition began collecting other vocabularies from other dialect.
Crowther also did same too
Sigimund koeller a German scholar also did that too while he interviewed freed men in SIERRA LEONE and it was came to be known that the ijo Language indeed had branches.
Further linguist such as Paul blair, Williamson in the early 20th century, Gerrit Dimmendaal, flench, jenewari in the 21st century also studied the linguas and they all concluded it under the ijoid branch.
Captain Hugh crow's work was a misconception, that is why you won't find it in any reputable information site (quoted or cited)
Because it has been weeded and discarded from major libraries.
However it is only kept in online journals because it is a journal.
It was after the second and third expedition, that crowther took this document I shall attach to be sent to Britain
Please read and understand the document carefully.
And when you're done, quit reference obsolete and fallacious information that is misleading and has been weeded from major libraries in the world.

If your are not a professional crook, you won't be mentioning all those European names and be saying things they didn't say.

Post all their books here, so that people can throughly see you as the crook you are.

Stop mentioning their names. Post all their books. Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by OfoIgbo: 6:43pm On Dec 13, 2021
Anonymous15:

You keep mentioning Alagoa,
But this is Samuel crowther and pepple in the 1700s

Crowther mentioned Okoloma. He did not mention Okolo-ama. There is also an Okoloma in Ndoki-Igbo territory, and also an ancient map, which Bkayy keeps sending to nairaland, shows Okoloma in both the Ndoki territory and as a second name of Ubani.

You guys have nothing. Already Dr. Baikie, who was the leader of the expedition had already made it clear that Bonny people claim Igbo ancestry. What else do you need to know

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by 9Pluto(m): 6:45pm On Dec 13, 2021
Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.

Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.

Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.

Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.

Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.

Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.


Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.


Anybody that wants to know about Bonny history should go and read, MEMOIRS OF CAPTAIN HUGH CROW OF LIVERPOOL. It is freely available for download from google.

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Re: Hinterland Ibos And The Misconception Of Bonny by OfoIgbo: 6:48pm On Dec 13, 2021
Anonymous15:

Ama is means settlement,
There is
Odioama
Krakraama
Dieama
Mbiama
Obiama
Etc

Ijo is a Language with many dialect identified by linguist such as Gerrit Dimmendaal, Williamson, flench, jenewari, Paul hair, Sigimund koeller,

You should start quoting linguist.

Just as the Igbo Language is large and has Onitsha, owerri, mbano, umuahia etc

That is how the ijoid Languages are too, comprising of Nembe, okrika, calabar kalabari, Bonny, etc.

Its not that difficult.

Show us an ancient record by neutral observers, where Bonny was referred to as OKOLO-AMA.

Please don't show us OKOLOMA, which is also the name that an Ndoki town bears.

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