Franking:


You mean to really understand this ur God one needsto painstakingly learn and pay attention and probably start hallucinating? No, thank u. Until it's easy and not complicated enjoy.

Laziness to read is hallmark of those who have your very experience. When you want things to happen like jazz, you will be sold a dummy to serve your desires. Why now blame those who exposed you to errors when they actually gave you what you craved for.


You go to school and painstakingly study for years to become expert and professional. You work hard in life to achieve and get knowledge. You spent nights and burn candles to get secular knowledge. But when you carry a Bible, you want magic to happen and know it over night. Isn't that the same magic you were sold that got you to this point of falsely accusing the scriptures. It provides lack of depth, lack of conviction and much noise.


Wake up man, you are smart, intelligent but don't be lazy. Read as one who is serious to know not as one who just want to be talking and make noise. .

Presently, you won't stand a minute test of scrutiny of what you know about what you criticise. At that point, it can be very shameful and sad.

But Brother, take the help. You will be grateful for it.

LordReed:


An objective existing thing cannot be personalised without error. I am wearing brown shoes, anybody who sees me recognises I am wearing brown shoes. If someone comes and says I am wearing black shoes we realise something is going on with that person because he is attempting to personalise something objective. If a god exists and is revealing himself to individuals then either something is wrong with that method or with the individuals since they cannot agree on what they are experiencing.

If, just if - each soul or mind is a channel through which the creative force experiences itself, then it might stand to reason that each experience must perforce be unique.

MaxInDHouse:


Please remind me of a better performing group than JWs in training their children to be fully competent and completely equipped to defend their faith!

What training?!!

80% of Ex-Jws totally stop believing in God due to the lies of the organization when they awake so what training exactly are you talking of?

freshalien:


I have always asked you religious ones,, Christians and Muslims, to show me proof, physical or spiritual, of the existence of your god, yet none has been able to show me proof. Instead you keep blabbing about a certain book and your thoughts and prayers as if that is what I asked for. Nothing meaningful whenever you engage a Christian or Muslim in a meaningful conversation about the existence of their god. Just blabbing up and down about non-existent stuff.

As for your “smart” son, he is already on the path to questioning the existence of the god you forced on him. You said he is smart right? You have a future atheist on your hand. He is arguing with his friend about god. Soon he would be arguing within himself about that same god. In fact if you have money, send him abroad when the time is right so he can have the opportunity and freedom to see a different kind of life compared to the one you raised him with lots of ‘church going’ and what not. Don’t be surprised when he joins us on the other side; the side where we have realized that the best lie told by man was that there is a “God”.

Have you also presented something meaningful to place your argument well? You asked someone to proof a God to you? What happened to you doing your own research? Study? Traveling? You can't sit down in a corner waiting for a presenter. The wisdom you claim should tell you to find out things for yourself. No be so?

freshalien:


This is exactly how the notion of “God” came to be. Cooked up in the mind of men as they reflected on their existence in the universe. ‘God’ is only a figment of man’s imagination. No proof as to the reality of his existence.

Yet man's creative proof is not a figment of his imagination because we witness it's reality from imagination to reality.

I guess when man's imagination creates a reality of order and beauty it's not a figment of his imagination but when the universe or nature as we know it births order and beauty we say the source is a figment of our imagination

Sit down and think and stop mouthing off gibberish

freshalien:


I have always asked you religious ones,, Christians and Muslims, to show me proof, physical or spiritual, of the existence of your god, yet none has been able to show me proof. Instead you keep blabbing about a certain book and your thoughts and prayers as if that is what I asked for. Nothing meaningful whenever you engage a Christian or Muslim in a meaningful conversation about the existence of their god. Just blabbing up and down about non-existent stuff.

As for your “smart” son, he is already on the path to questioning the existence of the god you forced on him. You said he is smart right? You have a future atheist on your hand. He is arguing with his friend about god. Soon he would be arguing within himself about that same god. In fact if you have money, send him abroad when the time is right so he can have the opportunity and freedom to see a different kind of life compared to the one you raised him with lots of ‘church going’ and what not. Don’t be surprised when he joins us on the other side; the side where we have realized that the best lie told by man was that there is a “God”.

This one is clearly deluded

That's just it, God is spirit. No man hath seen God at any time. But we see God in the man Jesus.

If after following atheists with their logic and proving that God exists within the superficial scope of science, and they choose not to see footprints of him. And then seek more outside science. Atheists want people to prove the existence of God within the scope of science and one can, but these evidences do not satisfy them as to them it bears no watermark of a God.

My question to atheists is do you know of the existence of black magic, juju and its effects?
If you don't, there is Google to figure out things, then think about it. Could there be a source of power behind these practices, of course the practicioner will claim he serves a god/idol, some will say spirits, just a doubt from you may make one show you proof on the go, perhaps by making something appear or disappear, etc.

We Christians, also have proof, it's called Miracles, Signs and wonders, by a higher authority than that of juju, voodoo, blackmagic. As he has promised us.
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


It's so that Christ may be glorified.
I can show you.

NNTR:


Of course, the bible testifies that the nature of the universe and or the creation of the universe gives clear testimony to God's existence, however the nature of the universe can sometimes, be a limiting source of truth, this argued on the basis, that the nature of the universe, gives a partial perception of God, that not everyone hones in on or grasps

Tetehjewels StJohnofChrist Image123

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

hupernikao:


Laziness to read is hallmark of those who have your very experience. When you want things to happen like jazz, you will be sold a dummy to serve your desires. Why now blame those who exposed you to errors when they actually gave you what you craved for.


You go to school and painstakingly study for years to become expert and professional. You work hard in life to achieve and get knowledge. You spent nights and burn candles to get secular knowledge. But when you carry a Bible, you want magic to happen and know it over night. Isn't that the same magic you were sold that got you to this point of falsely accusing the scriptures. It provides lack of depth, lack of conviction and much noise.


Wake up man, you are smart, intelligent but don't be lazy. Read as one who is serious to know not as one who just want to be talking and make noise. .

Presently, you won't stand a minute test of scrutiny of what you know about what you criticise. At that point, it can be very shameful and sad.

But Brother, take the help. You will be grateful for it.

And if I don't I'll end up in hell fire, right? My brother, it ain't worth my time. Enjoy the knowledge that came with ur sacrifices. I'll be mad to envy u when I had the chance and chose not to.

RussellRutherfo:


What training?!!

80% of Ex-Jws totally stop believing in God due to the lies of the organization when they awake so what training exactly are you talking of?

80% of Jews that turned against Christianity in the first century welcomed anything thinking they want to spite the Christ but Peter told Jesus:

“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. 69 We have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.” John 6:68-69

Likewise today 8.7 millions of our brothers and sisters globally today we are saying to the spiritual Jews ~ Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses:

"We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people" Zechariah 8:23

Here you are arguing over issues having to do with ATHEISTS and MISINFORMED CHURCHGOERS but you can't present any group of fully competent and completely equipped Bible scholars.

Shame on you Mr Apostates. I present to the whole world JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Tetehjewels:


Yet man's creative proof is not a figment of his imagination because we witness it's reality from imagination to reality.

I guess when man's imagination creates a reality of order and beauty it's not a figment of his imagination but when the universe or nature ad we know it births order and beauty we say the source is a figment of our imagination

Sit down and think and stop mouthing off gibberish

So it is no longer “God”, it is now the universe and nature en? You religious people are clearly confused with a touch of madness!

Tetehjewels:


This one is clearly deluded

Says the one who believes that one day a whiteman in flowing robes, with flowing woman-like hair would drop from the sky and take him to a place where he would sing ‘Hallelujah’ for all eternity

MaxInDHouse:


80% of Jews that turned against Christianity in the first century welcomed anything thinking they want to spite the Christ but Peter told Jesus:

“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. 69 We have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.” John 6:68-69

Likewise today 8.7 millions of our brothers and sisters globally today we are saying to the spiritual Jews ~ Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses:

"We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people" Zechariah 8:23

Here you are arguing over issues having to do with ATHEISTS and MISINFORMED CHURCHGOERS but you can't present any group of fully competent and completely equipped Bible scholars.

Shame on you Mr Apostates. I present to the whole world JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

The same Terrence Howard that is promoting LGBT sex and the corruption of children who watched Empire.

Exactly!
My point.

The organization breeds their people to do the biddings of Satan.

DeepSight:


If, just if - each soul or mind is a channel through which the creative force experiences itself, then it might stand to reason that each experience must perforce be unique.

This so called creative force must really be weird, it seems it likes to experience rape, killing, starvation, natural disasters and disease.

Image123:


Indeed, and the millions of living proofs are in my mind and theirs too.

Sure. Just as people in the past used to attribute lightening to their gods you amd your fellow believers are doing the same now.

hupernikao:


You left out a third individual which is central to this argument. Let me add it below (bold).

... either something is wrong with that method or with the individuals since they cannot agree on what they are experiencing. Or with a 3rd set of individuals who are not experiencing the God, since others are experiencing him but they dont.


LordReed
Five men who watch an event pass by, will give five different accounts of it, no matter how close their explanation are, their experiences will differ and will reflect in their explanations.

Now imagine a sixth man, who chooses to close his eyes to the passing event. He will have no experience to share, nor even know such events ever happened. Mostly even argue about its existence, asking for objective evidence.

This is the plight of an atheist.

How is the atheist choosing to close his eyes to passing events that are not objective? You can't show me a video clip of whatever vision experience of Jesus or your god you had so what exactly am I supposed to be seeing?

LMAO @ plight. Its more a plight to believe your fantasies are real. Bwahahahahaha!

leofab:
so how do a plant grows towards sunlight ?

Because we can experiment and see it grow toward light.

LordReed:


This so called creative force must really be weird, it seems it likes to experience rape, killing, starvation, natural disasters and disease.

. . . Infinite field of potentialities?

PS: Recall I have said before that whatever instigated this world appears sadistic to me.
Even morbid.

NNTR:

We are in the end times, thats closer than 20 million years

Hmmm, yeah right, the end times people have been waiting for 1900+years, not holding my breath for that.

Speak for yourself instead of saying, we won't be around to see it

Feel free to enjoy whatever fantasies you like, I'll stick with the facts.

hupernikao:


Have you also presented something meaningful to place your argument well? You asked someone to proof a God to you? What happened to you doing your own research? Study? Traveling? You can't sit down in a corner waiting for a presenter. The wisdom you claim should tell you to find out things for yourself. No be so?

Oh, I have done my research. Years and years of research. I am well prepared. So come with your arguments. Bring it on, I am ready!

DeepSight:


. . . Infinite field of potentialities?

PS: Recall I have said before that whatever instigated this world appears sadistic to me.
Even morbid.

Ok.

alphaNomega:


Just letting you know I "liked" this post

Eifour:


Bro,Deborah kelleman,a professor of psychologist, writes that the idea of God is naturally hardwired into human intuition,and infact,Paul Bloom a professor at Yale concludes that a child is naturally born a theist.The notion that there is no atheist in a foxhole supports this scientific fact.This is because the idea of God will always manifest itself in extreme situation.

You may be prentending not to believe in the existence of God,but the truth is,the idea of God will always be there,and this,makes all atheists relentlessly seeking proofs and reasons to convince themselves of theism. Richard Dawkins a notorious atheist is restless of this cause.

Please cite the works in which these professors make these assertions.

Thanks for letting me know you know more than me about what is in my mind.

BlueAngel444:
so cute and so amusing. Yet in the generational record of men, there is no such record.

What are you talking about?

You could also say there was never such obversation. Besides I never asked u for magic nor so I care for tricks, but if you do allocate such existence of a mindless universe as a trick, I may as well agree with.

Lol, being around is not where all this nonsense came from. But the obvious lack of evidence, trace to support this mindless theories.


But it's not the first time men have made fatansies theories, and call it a possible way of looking at the world. With the obvious aim of overlooking the one thing they fear, the possibility of being punished for fvcking the earth up.


Like whether God exists or not shouldn't bother anybody, except there is something worth being afraid of.


Here is the fear, if the universe has a way to punish anyone for all they have done wrong. But that's absurd isn't it. It's not possible.


Wait, do the same fools who disbelieve in God's existence also believe in the existence of higher forms of intelligence or extraterrestrials. Or do we believe that some how in the vast universe we are the only intelligent life form that exists.

Lol, so we are the best evolution could cook up. Isn't that so sad

You are asking for pigs and dirt to turn into humans, kindly show where I said or alluded to such a thing.

BePrepared:


What evidence to u need again to believe God, Jesus came died and ascended yet the evidence isn't enof, the bible had records science could prove later yet u don't believe.
Miracles happen today in the name of Jesus, yet u class all miracles as fake.

What evidence do u need again

I would like to see one of you multiply 2 loaves of bread and 5 fish to feed 5,000 hungry people. Let's start from there.

DeepSight:


. . . Infinite field of potentialities?

PS: Recall I have said before that whatever instigated this world appears sadistic to me.
Even morbid.

You didn't reply my email

freshalien:


So it is no longer “God”, it is now the universe and nature en? You religious people are clearly confused with a touch of madness!

It's clear the simplest things jump over your head and you find it hard to recognize inferences and how to properly tie them into a topic of discussion.

You are already in error mode so cannot understand what it was you replied to.

LordReed:


Please cite the works in which these professors make these assertions.

Thanks for letting me know you know more than me about what is in my mind.

Lol.Well,you can start with 'Is God an accident ' by Paul Bloom

Eifour:


Lol.Well,you can start with 'Is God an accident ' by Paul Bloom

On which page did he say what you said he asserted.

Tetehjewels:


It's clear the simplest things jump over your head and you find it hard to recognize inferences and how to properly tie them into a topic of discussion.

You are already in error mode so cannot understand what it was you replied to.

I hear you. Continue in your delusion that you have made sense when your religion makes no sense to the those who can see through its lies and deception. Brainwashed fellow. No wonder, those who criticized Christianity were hated and killed in the Middle Ages, because they refused to be zombies.

Menesh:


The answer is, we never know. Maybe it is aliens in other universe that is experimenting in our universe. The intellectually honest answer is "we don't know" how these overwhelming complexities came to be. Figuring out one and being overly stiff about it is being disingenuous.

What everything points to is that some higher intelligence must (I emphasize that must), have brought these things about.
If you want to refer to them as aliens fine. Others think they are Angel's or gods.
The overwhelming evidence simple just point to an (or a group of) higher intelligence. And many people believe this intelligent beings have attempted to communicate with us, either through the bible or other means.

freshalien:


I hear you. Continue in your delusion that you have made sense when your religion makes no sense to the those who can see through its lies and deception. Brainwashed fellow. No wonder, those who criticized Christianity were hated and killed in the Middle Ages, because they refused to be zombies.

Off point as usual.

thinkmoney:

What everything points to is that some higher intelligence must (I emphasize that must), have brought these things about.
If you want to refer to them as aliens fine. Others think they are Angel's or gods.
The overwhelming evidence simple just point to an (or a group of) higher intelligence. And many people believe this intelligent beings have attempted to communicate with us, either through the bible or other means.

It is ultimately people's right to believe whatever they want but it should always be private. Private beliefs shouldn't be allowed in our legislative processes. A Muslim having a private belief will like to make laws along that line. Like 14years sentence for one being gay and what have you.

For me, I care so much about truth, I will always strive to know as many true things than falsehoods.