₦airaland Forum

JohnBullMySon:
It is not a crime to prevent an officer without a warrant from entering a privately owned property when not in any official assignment or responding to crime. Know your rights.

JohnBullMySon:
It is not a crime to prevent an officer without a warrant from entering a privately owned property when not in any official assignment or responding to crime. Know your rights.

getemail:
The estate is not a private property. And the security at the gate aired.

JohnBullMySon:
When that incident happened. Hotel security asked DSS what they came for. They were not told anything. If they had a warrant, they would simply show it. They didn't have one and it's not the first time. Wike also stopped them from arresting a Judge without warrant back then, when Buhari was going crazy.

Ask yourself, Can that AIG enter Aso villa uninvited simply because he is a high ranked officer? He would simply be arrested for intruding.

DelTel:
No estate is a privately owned property

To start with, a) govt owns all land, b) govt using tax payers money provides some amenities, road, etc, c) police and any other govt agencies should have unhindered access to any where in a society in the course of their duty, for instance, building inspection, environment, etc, talkless the police

An estate claiming privacy is what led to people like Evans getting away with criminality for so long (interestingly in the same Magodo Estate) and the same Magodo harbours the largest number of yahooyahoo boys on the mainland!

Investigating a crime is even more important than arresting

JohnBullMySon:
It is. Most estates are legally co owned private property. They are not like your regular street. That's why you can be prevented from entering.

JohnBullMySon:
Obviously you don't know the law. Jurisdiction is defined and regulated by the constitution of the republic and the police is only an agency of the federal government.

According to the law. Police and other law enforcement agencies do not have the right to intrude into a citizens private property without invitation except when there is a search warrant, arrest warrant or when responding to crime/emergency situation. That illegality is normal does not make it legal.

Mr CP came for a party and wants to barge in like it's a secret mission, without the owner of the house knowing? The security were in good legal standing to question him. The only "crime" they committed is stopping a big man from behaving like a big man.

JohnBullMySon:
You're just ignorant. If you live in an estate go and ask the administrators there who owns the land. The roads in the estate are built by the estate owner and not government. The entire estate has a C/O classifying it as private land.

Yes an estate is private land because someone bought it.

DelTel:
Aso Rock is a security area and seat of power; to even compare Aso Rock shows you don't know what you are saying

A residential estate is not a residential/commercial area

JohnBullMySon:
I don't blame you. you are simply one among many ignorant Nigerians who have no knowledge of their rights and believe the government should act like a medieval kingdom.

Aso rock (Specifically the president's house) and your private homes are legally both private residences. Nobody including policemen not on assignment, can enter without permission. It's as simple as that.

DelTel:
Thank you for calling me ignorant

So why do the estate pay Land Use Charge to Govt if the estate abi your so-called administrators owns the land

Most road in Magodo were constructed by LASG

Land is owned by govt and assigned to people for usage for a period, usually 100 years

Get proper education please

DelTel:
So will they prevent electricity distribution company entry as well

DelTel:
Mr Human Rights, you have changed from estate to private homes. Did the CP enter a private home?

Half-education is worse than no education at all truly

JohnBullMySon:
You just keep on displaying ignorance

If you have C/O you're regarded as the owner of the land and government will compensate you if they need it. They can't just come and do anything once you have the documents, else you win them in court.

And by the way, we're talking specifically about Brooks Estate not the entire Magodo. Government built Brooks Estate ahbi

DelTel:
Who constructed Brooks and Diamond Estates road?

Ask the exco (if you live in there or know them) how much they paid to PWC and if the amount is enough to tar the road! SMH (I will refrain from mentioning names of those in Alausa that influenced the tarring of the road)

JohnBullMySon:
A lot goes on behind the scenes in sourcing money for road construction. But usually roads inside estates are not public roads. I have stayed over 1 hour outside Sunnyvale Abuja, just because they couldn't contact the guy I was going to see.

JohnBullMySon:
You're still not wise. Is the distribution company not coming in an official capacity backed by law?

Are they coming to chop rice?

DelTel:
You and I are private citizens

Not a sitting Commissioner of Police! So a DPO could have been beaten then!!

We can not keep asking for a better society and still be behaving and supporting what is bad



The reason the CP is there is immaterial, police job is 24hours and most importantly he is within his jurisdiction which is the entire Lagos State

festacman:
People get overly emotional and even hypocritical over this issue because a police officer is involved.

1. The Commissioner of Police Odumosu didn't need to give advance information of his coming to the Estate security men because it would be stupid to for him state his movement. Of course, giving such information would require the CP's security details to secure the Estate gate security until he arrives.

2. On arrival at the Estate gate and having PROPERLY identified himself as CP of Lagos State, he ought to have been allowed in immediately. Keeping him at the gate is unnecessarily exposing him to possible attack by criminals. Even a military formation would know better than keep a properly identified CP exposed to danger at its entry point.

3. CP Odumosu didn't need to tell the Estate security men the exact house he was going to before being allowed in. That's a classified information until his details secures the house for his safety.

4. Deliberately tagging the CP's visit as social to denigrate him is pure IGNORANCE because even a 'common' DPO is always listening to his radio equipment and giving directives anywhere he is. The fact is that when not on official leave, a CP is at work everywhere and every time.

5. I doubt if the police singled out that widow for arrest for nothing. She may have jumped into the matter and said unsavoury things. Being a resident in an Estate, I am familiar with some 'radical' busybody residents that would jump into issues without complete knowledge.

6. The truth is this incident was avoidable if only the Estate security was more professional and less power-conscious. Their unprofessional attitude activated power-tussle mode in the OFFICIAL state police force to show their constitutional superiority. The irony in this drama is that when armed criminals show up at the Estate, it is the official state police men that are called in to risk their lives.

7. By the way, is an estate which has individually-owned houses a private property or a community? If Magodo Brooks is NOT owned and rented out by one person as its private owner, is there any difference between this Estate and for example Ajegule in the eyes of the law?

8. Yes, Nigeria police has many outright criminals as members but it is still the only one we have to enforce law and order and maintain security.

festacman:
People get overly emotional and even hypocritical over this issue because a police officer is involved.

1. The Commissioner of Police Odumosu didn't need to give advance information of his coming to the Estate security men because it would be stupid to for him state his movement. Of course, giving such information would require the CP's security details to secure the Estate gate security until he arrives.

2. On arrival at the Estate gate and having PROPERLY identified himself as CP of Lagos State, he ought to have been allowed in immediately. Keeping him at the gate is unnecessarily exposing him to possible attack by criminals. Even a military formation would know better than keep a properly identified CP exposed to danger at its entry point.

3. CP Odumosu didn't need to tell the Estate security men the exact house he was going to before being allowed in. That's a classified information until his details secures the house for his safety.

4. Deliberately tagging the CP's visit as social to denigrate him is pure IGNORANCE because even a 'common' DPO is always listening to his radio equipment and giving directives anywhere he is. The fact is that when not on official leave, a CP is at work everywhere and every time.

5. I doubt if the police singled out that widow for arrest for nothing. She may have jumped into the matter and said unsavoury things. Being a resident in an Estate, I am familiar with some 'radical' busybody residents that would jump into issues without complete knowledge.

6. The truth is this incident was avoidable if only the Estate security was more professional and less power-conscious. Their unprofessional attitude activated power-tussle mode in the OFFICIAL state police force to show their constitutional superiority. The irony in this drama is that when armed criminals show up at the Estate, it is the official state police men that are called in to risk their lives.

7. By the way, is an estate which has individually-owned houses a private property or a community? If Magodo Brooks is NOT owned and rented out by one person as its private owner, is there any difference between this Estate and for example Ajegule in the eyes of the law?

8. Yes, Nigeria police has many outright criminals as members but it is still the only one we have to enforce law and order and maintain security.

iwaeda:
You just wrote rubbish, every life has a premium, many of our thinking are due to long military rule. Police are meant to be our servants, but in Nigeria anyone bearing arms are seeing superiors. The 30 minutes he waited, could have been used to call his host to get a pass. One day we will understand what DEMOCRACY is all about.

festacman:
Mr. Democrat, you wrote trash. Thank you for understanding.

JohnBullMySon:
He has two profiles. One is Mr Odumosu or whatever is his name, the other is AIG with the backing of the constitution. If he were there in an official capacity, the arrest would be justified. But he wasn't.

It's just like saying that a policeman has the right to enter your house and watch TV, because he is a policeman. Does it make sense?

DelTel:
[s]A CP, in uniform or otherwise, can enter anywhere within his jurisdiction and police job is 24 hours

You keep missing it, the estate is not a private house or residence

A policeman/neighborhood watch/any security official can enter/patrol any street or estate at any time of the day irrespective of a normal street or estate road

A private dwelling is a house not the estate; an estate is a public area. All roads are public roads

Check sane climes we all want Nigeria to be like, you can not even park your vehicle on the lawn area in your private house as it is regarded a public area; so if lawn area is not yours, how much more the road. Think about it [/s]

MASTAkiLLAh:
Hakeem Odumosu is a useless man just like his boss, he's already growing wings thinking he'll become IGP once Tinubu becomes "president" but he has forgotten that pride goeth before a disgraceful fall

DelTel:
A CP, in uniform or otherwise, can enter anywhere within his jurisdiction and police job is 24 hours

You keep missing it, the estate is not a private house or residence

A policeman/neighborhood watch/any security official can enter/patrol any street or estate at any time of the day irrespective of a normal street or estate road

A private dwelling is a house not the estate; an estate is a public area. All roads are public roads

Check sane climes we all want Nigeria to be like, you can not even park your vehicle on the lawn area in your private house as it is regarded a public area; so if lawn area is not yours, how much more the road. Think about it

JohnBullMySon:
I don't blame you. you are simply one among many ignorant Nigerians who have no knowledge of their rights and believe the government should act like a medieval kingdom.

Aso rock (Specifically the president's house) and your private homes are legally both private residences. Nobody including policemen not on assignment, can enter without permission. It's as simple as that.

festacman:
People get overly emotional and even hypocritical over this issue because a police officer is involved.

1. The Commissioner of Police Odumosu didn't need to give advance information of his coming to the Estate security men because it would be stupid to for him state his movement. Of course, giving such information would require the CP's security details to secure the Estate gate security until he arrives.

2. On arrival at the Estate gate and having PROPERLY identified himself as CP of Lagos State, he ought to have been allowed in immediately. Keeping him at the gate is unnecessarily exposing him to possible attack by criminals. Even a military formation would know better than keep a properly identified CP exposed to danger at its entry point.

3. CP Odumosu didn't need to tell the Estate security men the exact house he was going to before being allowed in. That's a classified information until his details secures the house for his safety.

4. Deliberately tagging the CP's visit as social to denigrate him is pure IGNORANCE because even a 'common' DPO is always listening to his radio equipment and giving directives anywhere he is. The fact is that when not on official leave, a CP is at work everywhere and every time.

5. I doubt if the police singled out that widow for arrest for nothing. She may have jumped into the matter and said unsavoury things. Being a resident in an Estate, I am familiar with some 'radical' busybody residents that would jump into issues without complete knowledge.

6. The truth is this incident was avoidable if only the Estate security was more professional and less power-conscious. Their unprofessional attitude activated power-tussle mode in the OFFICIAL state police force to show their constitutional superiority. The irony in this drama is that when armed criminals show up at the Estate, it is the official state police men that are called in to risk their lives.

7. By the way, is an estate which has individually-owned houses a private property or a community? If Magodo Brooks is NOT owned and rented out by one person as its private owner, is there any difference between this Estate and for example Ajegunle in the eyes of the law?

8. Yes, Nigeria police has many outright criminals as members but it is still the only one we have to enforce law and order and maintain security.

iwaeda:
No POLICE can enter your house without a warrant, but most us don't know our right. It means I can go to Estate whether I have any business there or not. Have you not read about people being murdered in their homes.
Let that sink sir, police can only enter with warrant

iwaeda:
Thanks for reading the trash I wrote.
Many of us react emotionally. We need to wake our brains from myopic reasonings.
Until we live beyond this mental slavery, we will remain servants to people who knows how to manipulate the systems for their gains.

DelTel:
House is different from Estate
House is private; estate is public

Police need warrant to enter a house not an estate

Equating yourself and I to POLICE is funny to say the least; an ideal policeman's duty is patrol on all roads and public areas (I didn't say private homes o) to forestall and nip in the bud a crime instead of waiting for the crime to be committed



you actually speaking about the estate residents who have manipulated the systems for their gains creating a division btw the have and have-nots; ostensibly creating a safe haven for criminal minds unknowingly (kidnapper Evans exploited this and more criminals are still)

We should commend, and not condemn, when wrongs are corrected. Because something has, sadly, become the norm doesn't mean it is right

Let us be broad-minded