uncleck: The best solution to this case rn is: compensate the family and close the case
Nice suggestion. But who should compensate them naa? The police investigations has placed no blame on the school, on government etc. So compensate them based on what? Culpability, compassionate grounds?. Will you as a person give money to someone fighting you eg legally or with police to then have more money to fight you?
Nice suggestion. But who should compensate them naa? The police investigations has placed no blame on the school, on government etc. So compensate them based on what? Culpability, compassionate grounds?. Will you as a person give money to someone fighting you eg legally or with police to then have more money to fight you?
This matter should be settled out of court. Lagos state government should mediate, compensate the victims and caution the school authority
So the boy just decided to drop names of people who were beating him
Did he drop a full or partial name? What kind of question was the boy asked to elicit the alleged answer? The father actually recanted some of his stories when interviewed by the police.
You can't just be insisting some boys killed your brother without presenting evidence to back up the claim.
The boy state of health before death, that one no be enough evidence? Person wen school say na football field he fall.. Wetin burn his lips? Until such thing happen to u or someone close to u.. Then u go know how e dey be for body.. Nonesense!
BigYash: The boy state of health before death, that one no be enough evidence? Person wen school say na football field he fall.. Wetin burn his lips? Until such thing happen to u or someone close to u.. Then u go know how e dey be for body.. Nonesense!
Did he drop a full or partial name? What kind of question was the boy asked to elicit the alleged answer? The father actually recanted some of his stories when interviewed by the police.
This is going to be very controversial but I say it with good intention and as someone who has suffered loss of loved ones in similar circumstances:
The family of this lovely, deceased boy should accept the reality of his death and begin to heal as soon a s possible. Death is the ultimate end for all the living. I know that injustice is painful and unfair but why keep the corpse of a child for 30yrs fighting for justice? - as the father said he would! Even if you get the justice, will it bring back the deceased? No! If you have the school closed would that pay for the child's life? No!
The family should take solace in the fact that the injustice metted on their child has served to highlight the evil of school bullying. The life of Sylvester has been useful and is still useful even in death in that his tragedy will save other children from bullying because schools will be more vigilant. May God grant them the fortitude to bear the irreplaceable lost of their boy!
othermen: Scientific results can be very prone to manipulation, not only because they require human interpretations, but even more so, because they are based on it.
There are certain procedures and results that are not so much prone, where such inclination is addressed by existing standards, validity and reliability.
But it is not an evidence of naivety if you think that interpretations of such can be very skewed towards the intended purpose of the examiner or the researcher.
It is so as to reduce such skewed interpretations, that seven pathologists with perhaps different interests had to probe into his body.
Again, most scientific procedures defers to authority. The ones that didn't, are the remarkable findings, that goes through rigorous and frustrating peer reviews that may sometimes demand decades to become established by the scientific community.
The scientific community has their norms, values and even a collective conscience, that sometimes a deviant finds that the structures can overwhelm if you attempt to dissuade it or persuade its established findings.
Imagine for the purpose of relation or appreciation: that our leading scientists and even the greatest scientists of different ages have built their findings on a certain proposition or assumption, which an emerging scientist have now found as flawed, because of the threat such finding may have to their reputations and life-time work, there might be some hesitancy to the truth; some rigour that will truly overwhelm the emerging scientist to lose bearing may even be orchestrated.
Although I have used the word orchestrated, such orchestration that overwhelms, may not be the intent or may be the intent of the agitated.
The medical field have an interest in being perceived as dependable and well-grounded, cases of false diagnosis, clinical errors, medical negligences are not so much investigated, unless by a resourceful relative or friend to the dead or misdiagnosed... because the effect of such false diagnosis may in addition to death of the victim, lead to withdrawal of such health-care provider license...so there are often little questions allowed to be asked.
In UCH Ibadan, which is foremost in the country, you can make a call through to anyone who has lost someone there, they probably weren't even met with sympathy in the relation of their loss, the fellow may not even see anyone to interrogate, and though a report is issued, the reports are so worded that reading it in your state of internal disarray, gives little meaning to settling such disarray. If it gives meaning, it would be to the extent of their callous dismissal, which is intently defensive and strikingly intended to absorb from any suggestion of culpability. And so, many have died, who shouldn't have, but we may not know.
The system however, is not built and made in such a way, that we can probe adequately to understand not just how this is so but if this is so, but it is an hypothesis you can test. In probing, it is the same medical field that is accused that we defer to and the medical field aside its interest in being perceived as dependable and well-grounded, is also skewed by interpretations in relating its suggestion as to the causes of its finding.
Imagine for purpose of relation or appreciation: that I have worked with KPMM for a better part of my life, but my work has affected my health, in such that, my fixation on the computer screen and the lighting of my work station, have now damaged my eyesight.
''My doctor said this may be so. I relate to KPMM my condition and beseech its assistance in redeeming my eyesight which was damaged in its service. KPMM responds and knows such assistance would only lead to endless law suits by its former employees who may cite whatever current health predicament they have as a failure of KPMM to provide a safe work environment.
Aware of such tendency to weaponisation, KPMM does not decline my solicitation for help right away, they invite me to meet with their own doctors for an examination or confirmation. Their doctors, who are much more renowned than mine in the field then establish that my eye condition or predicament cannot be linked to KPMM, that although it is as a result of exposure to light or non exposure to adequate lightning, but the light from my computer screen in KPMM is standard and adequate and not hazardous to the eyes. Their examination report is worded with the support of KPMM lawyers.
Now, it is the aspiration of any doctor to work with the KPMM medical consultants and he defers to them in the end. The consultants are the foremost in the country, they have among their directors, the leading professors in optometry and ophthalmology. No bank will give a loan that would help afford a medical report, so superior. The government hospitals do not even have the facilities for such examination. ''
Such relation above is the reality of many and may be the reality of Oromoni, science would not come to their aid. Financial resources would; such financial resource has perhaps aided the college, but if the family spend more, the result can also be skewed to their intent.
It all underscores the necessity of financial resource to medical justice.
knowhowk: Well ! The Family should leave it to Almighty God ... Anyone Expecting Justice in Naija is like waiting for the blinking of the Crab by the Sea Shore ... Period...
Was this Boy Really beaten seriously by His Mates? Did he sustained any Serious Injury ? What led to the Swollen of His Lips as shown in a Picture ? Was he given a Substance to Drink ?
Everyone has one Health Challenges or the other in the body ..If anyone should go for a Medical Test ,An ailments Serious non serious must be seen ,This boy might also have a non life threatening or life threatening health Challenge no doubt before but saying his whatever health Challenge led to his death and he died Naturally is like Saying someone who had a Malaria before and was later Poisoned Died of Malaria because it was seen in His Autopsy that he once had a Malaria prior to His Death...
Nigeria I hail thee...
I hate injustice my friend. Just as we were working close to the church, my wife, my kids and I one those boys quickly threw the weirdest of fireworks towards us and before I could do anything it was the frightening shock I received, I quickly scanned and saw two young boys of about 20 a distance away, quickly I ran after them and was able to get hold of one, I gave him the beaten of his life, at least I can take it but not my kids. The rest of the boys came after me but some of the few ones that knew me know that I will personally go to their individual houses and beat their parents up if I could not get hold of them. I went to one of the best school in Warri and grew up in one of the most rugged area of Warri with friends who will not visit your area except with guns yet I was not reckless. When I saw the names involved in this Oromoni case I knew nothing will come out of it. Most especially as the boy is an Ijaw boy and one of those mentioned was an Itsekiri. Sylvester Oromoni please don't rest in peace. Avenge your death if it was not natural.
So the boy just decided to drop names of people who were beating him
When did beating generate to torture,when sensible people are talking some of you half baked fools should keep quiet and listen. An autopsy that was carried out in the presence of all the consultant pathologist representing all the families involved in this saga including three persons each representing the State and the NPF shows the boy died from a long time infection which his parents failed to realize early enough. If not for this autopsy na so Dem for go hang those innocent children say Dem be cultists. Who dem no beat or punish for boarding school... idiots.
Whatever life throws at you which you can't reverse,let it go and move on. If that didn't happen,who knows if the worst would have happened. I have seen members of a whole family wiped out in an accident and relations bore it and moved on with life. So let it be and stop enriching lawyers with the money u will put to a better use. God knows the best .But the lawyers will tell u to fight on,so dt u will keep paying their home bills for them.
othermen: Scientific results can be very prone to manipulation, not only because they require human interpretations, but even more so, because they are based on it.
There are certain procedures and results that are not so much prone, where such inclination is addressed by existing standards, validity and reliability.
But it is not an evidence of naivety if you think that interpretations of such can be very skewed towards the intended purpose of the examiner or the researcher.
It is so as to reduce such skewed interpretations, that seven pathologists with perhaps different interests had to probe into his body.
Again, most scientific procedures defers to authority. The ones that didn't, are the remarkable findings, that goes through rigorous and frustrating peer reviews that may sometimes demand decades to become established by the scientific community.
The scientific community has their norms, values and even a collective conscience, that sometimes a deviant finds that the structures can overwhelm if you attempt to dissuade it or persuade its established findings.
Imagine for the purpose of relation or appreciation: that our leading scientists and even the greatest scientists of different ages have built their findings on a certain proposition or assumption, which an emerging scientist have now found as flawed, because of the threat such finding may have to their reputations and life-time work, there might be some hesitancy to the truth; some rigour that will truly overwhelm the emerging scientist to lose bearing may even be orchestrated.
Although I have used the word orchestrated, such orchestration that overwhelms, may not be the intent or may be the intent of the agitated.
The medical field have an interest in being perceived as dependable and well-grounded, cases of false diagnosis, clinical errors, medical negligences are not so much investigated, unless by a resourceful relative or friend to the dead or misdiagnosed... because the effect of such false diagnosis may in addition to death of the victim, lead to withdrawal of such health-care provider license...so there are often little questions allowed to be asked.
In UCH Ibadan, which is foremost in the country, you can make a call through to anyone who has lost someone there, they probably weren't even met with sympathy in the relation of their loss, the fellow may not even see anyone to interrogate, and though a report is issued, the reports are so worded that reading it in your state of internal disarray, gives little meaning to settling such disarray. If it gives meaning, it would be to the extent of their callous dismissal, which is intently defensive and strikingly intended to absorb from any suggestion of culpability. And so, many have died, who shouldn't have, but we may not know.
The system however, is not built and made in such a way, that we can probe adequately to understand not just how this is so but if this is so, but it is an hypothesis you can test. In probing, it is the same medical field that is accused that we defer to and the medical field aside its interest in being perceived as dependable and well-grounded, is also skewed by interpretations in relating its suggestion as to the causes of its finding.
Imagine for purpose of relation or appreciation: that I have worked with KPMM for a better part of my life, but my work has affected my health, in such that, my fixation on the computer screen and the lighting of my work station, have now damaged my eyesight.
''My doctor said this may be so. I relate to KPMM my condition and beseech its assistance in redeeming my eyesight which was damaged in its service. KPMM responds and knows such assistance would only lead to endless law suits by its former employees who may cite whatever current health predicament they have as a failure of KPMM to provide a safe work environment.
Aware of such tendency to weaponisation, KPMM does not decline my solicitation for help right away, they invite me to meet with their own doctors for an examination or confirmation. Their doctors, who are much more renowned than mine in the field then establish that my eye condition or predicament cannot be linked to KPMM, that although it is as a result of exposure to light or non exposure to adequate lightning, but the light from my computer screen in KPMM is standard and adequate and not hazardous to the eyes. Their examination report is worded with the support of KPMM lawyers.
Now, it is the aspiration of any doctor to work with the KPMM medical consultants and he defers to them in the end. The consultants are the foremost in the country, they have among their directors, the leading professors in optometry and ophthalmology. No bank will give a loan that would help afford a medical report, so superior. The government hospitals do not even have the facilities for such examination. ''
Such relation above is the reality of many and may be the reality of Oromoni, science would not come to their aid unless afforded. Financial resources would; such financial resource has perhaps aided the college, but if the family spend more, the result can also be skewed to their intent.
It all underscores the necessity of financial resource to medical justice.
Your analysis is deep and speak to the conscience of the justice system, not only in Nigeria, but the whole world. � I had to read this twice.
But their is no conscience anywhere. It's dead and wickedness is everywhere.
othermen: Scientific results can be very prone to manipulation, not only because they require human interpretations, but even more so, because they are based on it.
There are certain procedures and results that are not so much prone, where such inclination is addressed by existing standards, validity and reliability.
But it is not an evidence of naivety if you think that interpretations of such can be very skewed towards the intended purpose of the examiner or the researcher.
It is so as to reduce such skewed interpretations, that seven pathologists with perhaps different interests had to probe into his body.
Again, most scientific procedures defers to authority. The ones that didn't, are the remarkable findings, that goes through rigorous and frustrating peer reviews that may sometimes demand decades to become established by the scientific community.
The scientific community has their norms, values and even a collective conscience, that sometimes a deviant finds that the structures can overwhelm if you attempt to dissuade it or persuade its established findings.
Imagine for the purpose of relation or appreciation: that our leading scientists and even the greatest scientists of different ages have built their findings on a certain proposition or assumption, which an emerging scientist have now found as flawed, because of the threat such finding may have to their reputations and life-time work, there might be some hesitancy to the truth; some rigour that will truly overwhelm the emerging scientist to lose bearing may even be orchestrated.
Although I have used the word orchestrated, such orchestration that overwhelms, may not be the intent or may be the intent of the agitated.
The medical field have an interest in being perceived as dependable and well-grounded, cases of false diagnosis, clinical errors, medical negligences are not so much investigated, unless by a resourceful relative or friend to the dead or misdiagnosed... because the effect of such false diagnosis may in addition to death of the victim, lead to withdrawal of such health-care provider license...so there are often little questions allowed to be asked.
In UCH Ibadan, which is foremost in the country, you can make a call through to anyone who has lost someone there, they probably weren't even met with sympathy in the relation of their loss, the fellow may not even see anyone to interrogate, and though a report is issued, the reports are so worded that reading it in your state of internal disarray, gives little meaning to settling such disarray. If it gives meaning, it would be to the extent of their callous dismissal, which is intently defensive and strikingly intended to absorb from any suggestion of culpability. And so, many have died, who shouldn't have, but we may not know.
The system however, is not built and made in such a way, that we can probe adequately to understand not just how this is so but if this is so, but it is an hypothesis you can test. In probing, it is the same medical field that is accused that we defer to and the medical field aside its interest in being perceived as dependable and well-grounded, is also skewed by interpretations in relating its suggestion as to the causes of its finding.
Imagine for purpose of relation or appreciation: that I have worked with KPMM for a better part of my life, but my work has affected my health, in such that, my fixation on the computer screen and the lighting of my work station, have now damaged my eyesight.
''My doctor said this may be so. I relate to KPMM my condition and beseech its assistance in redeeming my eyesight which was damaged in its service. KPMM responds and knows such assistance would only lead to endless law suits by its former employees who may cite whatever current health predicament they have as a failure of KPMM to provide a safe work environment.
Aware of such tendency to weaponisation, KPMM does not decline my solicitation for help right away, they invite me to meet with their own doctors for an examination or confirmation. Their doctors, who are much more renowned than mine in the field then establish that my eye condition or predicament cannot be linked to KPMM, that although it is as a result of exposure to light or non exposure to adequate lightning, but the light from my computer screen in KPMM is standard and adequate and not hazardous to the eyes. Their examination report is worded with the support of KPMM lawyers.
Now, it is the aspiration of any doctor to work with the KPMM medical consultants and he defers to them in the end. The consultants are the foremost in the country, they have among their directors, the leading professors in optometry and ophthalmology. No bank will give a loan that would help afford a medical report, so superior. The government hospitals do not even have the facilities for such examination. ''
Such relation above is the reality of many and may be the reality of Oromoni, science would not come to their aid unless afforded. Financial resources would; such financial resource has perhaps aided the college, but if the family spend more, the result can also be skewed to their intent.
It all underscores the necessity of financial resource to medical justice.
Nice write up! I had to read it twice to understand the point. You revealed exactly what’s going on in the medical section, I can testify to that of UCH so well.
When did beating generate to torture,when sensible people are talking some of you half baked fools should keep quiet and listen. An autopsy that was carried out in the presence of all the consultant pathologist representing all the families involved in this saga including three persons each representing the State and the NPF shows the boy died from a long time infection which his parents failed to realize early enough. If not for this autopsy na so Dem for go hang those innocent children say Dem be cultists. Who dem no beat or punish for boarding school... idiots.
When did beating generate to torture,when sensible people are talking some of you half baked fools should keep quiet and listen Seriously Are you that stupid I was not expecting anything reasonable from
othermen: Scientific results can be very prone to manipulation, not only because they require human interpretations, but even more so, because they are based on it.
There are certain procedures and results that are not so much prone, where such inclination is addressed by existing standards, validity and reliability.
But it is not an evidence of naivety if you think that interpretations of such can be very skewed towards the intended purpose of the examiner or the researcher.
It is so as to reduce such skewed interpretations, that seven pathologists with perhaps different or two interests had to probe into his body.
Again, most scientific procedures defers to authority. The ones that didn't, are the remarkable findings, that goes through rigorous and frustrating peer reviews that may sometimes demand decades or 'half of' to become established by the scientific community.
The scientific community has their norms, values and even a collective conscience, that sometimes a deviant finds that the structures can overwhelm if you attempt to dissuade it or persuade its established findings.
Imagine for the purpose of relation or appreciation: that our leading scientists and even the greatest scientists of different ages have built their findings on a certain proposition or assumption, which an emerging scientist have now found as flawed, because of the threat such finding may have to their reputations and life-time work, there might be some hesitancy to the truth; some rigour that will or may truly overwhelm the emerging scientist to lose bearing may even be orchestrated.
Although I have used the word orchestrated, such orchestration that overwhelms, may not be the intent or may be the intent of the agitated.
The medical field have an interest in being perceived as dependable and well-grounded. Cases of false diagnosis, clinical errors, medical negligences are not so much in the interest and so not so much investigated, unless by a resourceful relative or friend to the dead or misdiagnosed... because the effect of such false diagnosis may in addition to death of the victim, lead to withdrawal of such health-care provider license and to the perception of the discipline...so there are often little questions allowed to be asked.
In tertiary hospitals even foremost in the country, you can make a call through to anyone who has lost someone there, they probably weren't even met with sympathy in the relation of their loss, the fellow may not even see anyone to interrogate, and though a report is issued, the reports are so worded that reading it in your state of internal disarray, gives little meaning to settling such disarray. If it gives meaning, it would be to the extent of their callous dismissal, which is intently defensive and strikingly intended to absorb from any suggestion of culpability. And so, many have died, who shouldn't have, but we may not know.
The system however, is not built and made in such a way, that we can probe adequately to understand not just how this is so but if this is so, but it is an hypothesis you can test. In probing, it is the same medical field that is accused that we defer to and the medical field aside its interest in being perceived as dependable and well-grounded, is also skewed by interpretations in relating its suggestion as to the causes of its finding.
Imagine for purpose of relation or appreciation: that I have worked with KPMM for a better part of my life, but my work has affected my health, in such that, my fixation on the computer screen and the lighting of my work station, have now damaged my eyesight.
''My doctor said this may be so. I relate to KPMM my condition and beseech its assistance in redeeming my eyesight which was damaged in its service. KPMM responds and knows such assistance would only lead to endless law suits by its former employees who may cite whatever current health predicament they have as a failure of KPMM to provide a safe work environment.
Aware of such tendency to weaponisation, KPMM does not decline my solicitation for help right away, they invite me to meet with their own doctors for an examination or confirmation. Their doctors, who are much more renowned than mine in the field then establish that my eye condition or predicament cannot be linked to KPMM, that although it is as a result of exposure to light or non exposure to adequate lightning, but the light from my computer screen in KPMM is standard and adequate and not hazardous to the eyes. Their examination report is worded with the support of KPMM lawyers.
Now, it is the aspiration of any doctor to work with the KPMM medical consultants and he defers to them in the end. The consultants are the foremost in the country, they have among their directors, the leading professors in optometry and ophthalmology. No bank will give a loan that would help afford a medical report, so superior. The government hospitals do not even have the facilities for such examination. ''
Such relation above is the reality of many and may be the reality of Oromoni, science would not come to their aid unless afforded. Financial resources would; such financial resource has perhaps aided the college, but if the family spend more, the result can also be skewed to their intent.
It all underscores the necessity of financial resource to medical justice.
I'm impressed with this submission.
And I guess part of what you're trying to say is the money bags dictate what goes on in the society and the 'have-nots' would need to pay high price for violation or trampled rights.
PVision2020: Nigerians are mostly emotional and less logical. Even when confonted with superior facts and arguments we always tend to follow the mob, thanks to the social media.
Over 7 pathologist from different tribes, interest and institutions gave a verdict but jungle justices/juror on social media aren't concern about scientific fact. If it doesn't align with what we want to here then someone must have been paid.
I’m so tired of this BS. The family had their own TRUSTED pathologist at the autopsy and yet, they’re still crying foul on social media, looking for sympathy. The autopsy was done TWICE!!! In Lagos and in Warri, with the same result but the family are still stoking the embers of lies and hate on social media. Have you seen any other NGO take up the matter since then? The facts speaks for itself. See the high caliber of pathologists present at the autopsy. Even their own representative is high caliber but nooo, they’re still crying foul. Probably trying to hide their own incompetence and insensitivity. Why did they not withdraw the boy when he complained about the bullying and said he didn’t want to go back to the school? Nonsense.
Sammydanny: Anabelle Oromoni, the sister of Sylvester Oromoni, a Dowen College student who died last year, has reacted after the Lagos State government said autopsy results showed her brother died a natural death.
Sylvester's family had said he was beaten up by older students and given a substance to drink.
They added that Sylvester named 5 of the boys who allegedly assaulted him.
However, the Lagos State Government later cleared the five students and five employees of Dowen College accused of complicity in the death of 11-year-old Sylvester Oromoni.
The state cleared them as well as the school following the Legal Advice of the Director of Public Prosecution, DPP, Ms. Adetutu Oshinusi.
According to the advice, the interim and final autopsy reports issued by the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital and toxicology report of post mortem samples and that of the Central Hospital, Warri were in agreement as to the cause of death namely: Septicaemia, Lobar Pneumonia with Acute Pyelonephritis, Pyomyositis of the right ankle and Acute Bacteria Pneumonia due to severe Sepsis.
The result of the toxicology is also not indicative of any toxic or poisonous substance in the body of the deceased
The DPP’s legal advice, therefore, concluded that based on these findings, there is no prima facie case of murder, involuntary manslaughter and or malicious administering of poison with intent to harm against the five students, Favour Benjamin aged 16, Micheal Kashamu (15), Edward Begue (16), Ansel Temile (14) and Kenneth Inyang (15).
Speaking during a radio interview on Nigerian Info, Sylvester's sister, Anabelle said the claim that her brother died a natural death is simply a tactic to justify the reopening of the school.
She added that in Nigeria, "there is always power plays involved".
Asked whether the family has seen the toxicology report that shows sylvester died a natural death, she said its been word of mouth and the government and police have refused to show them the report.
She said: "They haven't shown us anything. We've been asking them to show us."
This family is now making there selfs popular with this boy case but what were they thinking they will short the school down not in this country even if na Buhari son they should calm down stay of social media if dem get Wetin to do make dem do am not waking every morning to post on social media it’s painful but this online thing won’t help and they should remember those involve are also kids there parents will as well do anything to protect them even if na this late young Dey among his mother will protect him too they should calm down nothing will bring this boy back to life
yanabasee: Seems to me like she was sniffing cokes....
Sylvester deserves better....
The parents of the murderers must have had people in higher places and in the police force, and they're doing everything possible to cover this case underneath.....
As far as the NPF have released a statement... Never believe them... they go with the highest bidder...
