WoundedLamb:


I'm not sure you read me correctly. I said, we have long moved beyond the phase of using force to make other countries do your biddings. If Russia feels like they're being cornered, they can woo thier neighbours or even sanction them as permitted by international laws. Ukraine, Poland or Romania, these are still sovereign countries and can sign any agreement they want to. There's no formal declaration that the missiles in these countries are aimed at Russia. If Russia invades any of these countries forcefully, they'll be no justification for that. They can dance around the ocean, it's legal. But that should be it.

And please, you don't have to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of being brainwashed by the western media. That's lame. Make your point. I live in the Western world, I have been to Asia for studies and I have dedicated a good deal of my time to studying the Chinese language and culture. I didn't do all these only to depend on the media. I have nothing against any country. We are just here to share opinions and put things into perspective. So once again, spare me that western media story.

Did the US allow Ussr to place missiles in Cuba.
Why would Russia allow NATO to place missiles in those countries by trying to get them to join the org

WoundedLamb:


I'm not sure you read me correctly. I said, we have long moved beyond the phase of using force to make other countries do your biddings. If Russia feels like they're being cornered, they can woo thier neighbours or even sanction them as permitted by international laws. Ukraine, Poland or Romania, these are still sovereign countries and can sign any agreement they want to. There's no formal declaration that the missiles in these countries are aimed at Russia. If Russia invades any of these countries forcefully, they'll be no justification for that. They can dance around the ocean, it's legal. But that should be it.

And please, you don't have to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of being brainwashed by the western media. That's lame. Make your point. I live in the Western world, I have been to Asia for studies and I have dedicated a good deal of my time to studying the Chinese language and culture. I didn't do all these only to depend on the media. I have nothing against any country. We are just here to share opinions and put things into perspective. So once again, spare me that western media story.

What makes you think they are also not employing diplomacy.
They just had a meeting with blinken
Always show your strength. Dont get bullied.
Lol.

blackaxe78:


You said it all!

I don’t know of Putin smokes Novichok, how does he believe his alliance with China can defeat NATO.

remove US nato is nothing compared to Russia when it comes to war assets , watch BBC and CNN you will understand, it only US who's at nato back forget germany or whatsoever , russia would end them in snap of a finger

WoundedLamb:


Really, bro? I should name the wars? I could if you force me to but honestly, a little Googling would really save me the stress. Historically, The US has won about 800+ wars while Russia/Soviet Union has won about 400+ wars. In more recent times, the US has directly engaged in about 50 wars while has not fought up to 10 wars.

Yes, tech advancement plays a huge role but what really gives you the impression that the Russian tech is more advanced that the American tech?

Which war has the US won in recent time?

They messed up Iraq and ended up creating isis
They lost the afghan war
They messed up Libya and ended up creating a safe environment for isis to thrive.
They created a mess in Syria and ended up supplying weapons to "moderate islamists" who in turn were handing over their weapons to isis and it took Russia intervention in Syria to bring things under control. So which war has the US really won recently?

blowjohn:


If u talk , people will say that shebi america has so and so weapons, so why can't other countries have the same weapons.

They forget that some things are better safeguarded in certain hands than in other hands.

Just look at the nonsense Russia is goin about doing.

Imagine if iran had the kind of weapons Russia has, they will just start a jihad asap.

America on the other hand is busy trying to better the lives of their citizens and immigrants

That is why they turn countries like yours to virtual wasteland. Eg Libya.
They sow divisions among countrymen see Vietnam.
It can happen to your country if they dont like you.

bamdexfarms:


Point of correction, the USA never helped Russia to defeat Hitler. Operation Barbarossa (invasion of Russia) failed as a result of unwavering resistance of the Red Army, Russian winter and logistic problems encountered by the Wehrmacht. The Russians singlehandedly defeated the Nazis from their campaign in Eastern Europe.

Thanks for correcting the misrepresentation of history up there...

lovetext:
remove US nato is nothing compared to Russia when it comes to war assets , watch BBC and CNN you will understand, it only US who's at nato back forget germany or whatsoever , russia would end them in snap of a finger

Tomorrow wars will have no victors rather Mutually Assured Destruction.

Do you think Russias ICBMs will just be sitting in silos.
Lol

You dont know anything , This is how western Union nation pushed Georgia(country ) to go war with russia , it took Russia 3days to level , same western countries telling Georgia(country ) if they were mad to war with russia , Dont joke with russia , even the usa know this , thats why they said they will respond with economic sanctions

CryptoClub2018:
Honestly, I pity Russia. They are just like a barking dog waiting for the roaring Lion (US) to devour

You see how Western countries dont interfere with countries that have nuclear capabilities even though "they fund terror".
Pakistan Iran North Korea
Lol.
They wouldn't even invade south africa in the days of apartheid.

Bbbwings:

What makes you think they are also not employing diplomacy.
They just had a meeting with blinken
Always show your strength. Dont get bullied.
Lol.

They are employing "diplomacy". Did you read the conditions they gave? C'mon, bro. That's not very feasible. You can't deny some countries access to NATO just because Russia's is not happy with it.

he doesnt like war, thats what the western media make you believe , The problem is NATO

Goldbw122:
Why do Putin just like war like this, is like he doesn't enjoy peace of mind.

Bbbwings:

Did the US allow Ussr to place missiles in Cuba.
Why would Russia allow NATO to place missiles in those countries by trying to get them to join the org

I have already responded to this above. I'm beginning to repeat myself and you'd agree with me that's tiring. Even the US could not eventually stop the Soviet Union from placing missiles in Cuba. They still planted the missiles anyway.

blackaxe78:


I have heard you!

But life thought me one thing, doers don’t brag it or cheat beat!

America is far ahead in might! Air land and sea!

And come to talk of her alliances with the likes of Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Hello! The outcome can only be doom upon Russia and China

The US is light years ahead of both, and they know it! Why they are so quick to showcase their latest warheads! As America told you it did a thing despite having the highest military budget in last 2 decades?

Dudes don’t brag it! They unveil what they have with doom!

Blinken just had a meeting with Russia.
Agreement will soon be heard.

I hope it won't be like that huff and puff l when Crimea was annexed
Lol

USA are living in pass glory , Taliban finish their ass , must usa nuclear weapon is reaching is expiring date , Even USA is sacred of NORTH korea, Stop watching USA through the eye of Hollywood, in the last 60 years ,please name war usa has won ?

donleo92:
see Russia and China are really underestimating the us, Germany and great Britain even Canada self. hmm, this war no go easy for both sides ooh..

USA is like a sleeping gaint. Russia be careful oh

WoundedLamb:


I have already responded to this above. I'm beginning to repeat myself and you'd agree with me that's tiring. Even the US could not eventually stop the Soviet Union from placing missiles in Cuba. They still planted the missiles anyway.

And they dismantled it after US outcry.

donleo92:
see Russia and China are really underestimating the us, Germany and great Britain even Canada self. hmm, this war no go easy for both sides ooh..

USA is like a sleeping gaint. Russia be careful oh

Germany today will never go to war with Russia.

All Russia has to do is dismantle nordstream and put nordstream 2 being online forward permanently.
Lol

Its clear you dont know what is happening , By 2030 China will over take the america as world economic , USA dont want it happen and trying proxy to fight war to slow CHINA , Hence is the alliance between russia and china, Stop listening to western propaganda,China has the world biggest Navel , Russia and China has hyper-sonic missile that can nuke to the usa , Its faster than light and you cant defend against it ,what Russia wants is NATO to stop spreading EAST , recently usa trying regime change in most of Russia close ally , Belarus last year , KAz , So is using that is causing problem , When there is war , USA army dealer make more money

otukpoyam:


That's d problem. Putin is eager to test whatever capabilities he thinks his armed forces have. Even if he eventually looses, he doesn't mind sacrificing thousands of his soldiers. It's not like the citizens have much rights. The US and much of Europe on the other hand will be very very careful because their citizens will be watching carefully and they have rights of expression. After loosing thousands of men needlessly in the middle East after 9/11, they will try their best to avoid another full blown war. Only when they're directly attacked they will come all out.

China/Russia may have been elevated to world powers and have heavy arsenal, but they're still no match for the US/UK/Germany/Japan/South Korean alliance.

War just dey hungry China and Russia to fight. They don't mind sacrificing thousands of people. It's not the same for the opposite side

WoundedLamb:
Ukraine is the target. I see people above praising Putin and his allies like this is some video game or HBO series we're talking about. The Soviet Union is long gone, what would be the justification for invading Ukraine at this time? It's even funny cause those claiming to be anti-democracy on NL ride on the back of democracy to share their opinions. It's always as if the grass is greener on the other side, but we all know Nigerians won't sit well with authoritarian leadership. We've been there, done that.

They already took part of Ukraine called Crimea.
What are you saying
Lol

Bbbwings:

And they dismantled it after US outcry.

Not really. It served its purpose. Please, read about the Cuba missile crises. The Soviet Union eventually used Cuba as an attack point to fire thier missiles during a face off with the US while the US used Turkey and Ukraine.

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Check history.

Russia that couldn't defeat Germany without the help of U.s forces. If u.s hadn't intervened, half of Russia would have been under control of Hitler. China would still be an annex of Japan, Iran could have been swallowed by Saddam Hussein Iraq. Ungrateful slaves. Don't worry u.s. no dey Sabi talk. Ww1 and ww2 can testify[/quote]

Remman:
We all know the U.S are in very serious agreement with Aliens to maintain peace on earth with the Aliens' tech with them. They can flush out Russia and its allies undetected. They're that powerful. It's time for a new leader for Russia. Putin is no longer interested in his position. A Mason is getting ready somewhere to take over and maintain the alien kinda peace the U.S wants. Let's sit tight and watch how Russia retreats and surrender.

I don't want the kind of peace they instituted in
Libya Iraq Afghanistan
Korea and Vietnam.
Lol

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WoundedLamb:


Not really. It served its purpose. Please, read about the Cuba missile crises. The Soviet Union eventually used Cuba as an attack point to fire thier missiles during a face off with the US while the US used Turkey and Ukraine.

They did not fire missiles into the US. They only placed them there so the US can see them using reconnaissance aircraft
They eventually dismantled it.
What do you think is the reason the Russians set up the missile in Cuba in the first place.

Bbbwings:

They already took part of Ukraine called Crimea.
What are you saying
Lol

What's the point here? They already took Crimea, so how does that suggest they're not out against other location the US or NATO could possibly use against them? How does them taking Crimea change anything? And why are we even saying this as if taking Crimea was a great move?

Dude you should know that any world power will never I repeat never allow your opposition country have base close to your border. Simple as ABC, LIKE SAYING RUSSIA SETTING UP A BASE IN MEXICO AMERICA WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT

collins07:
Putin is just being fearful,people are just carrying d news without knowing d details.Putin is puting up that drama cuz of Ukraine joining NATO,he said Moscow would not be secured if NATO brings their base to Ukraine.
He is ready to vacate d boarder on a promise that NATO would not admit Ukraine.is it not clear that he is scared by saying Moscow can be hit easily from Ukraine ?

abeeee:

You are judging with 100 years ago
Omo Nigerians are dumb

Pls how smart are you?tell me more about wars and the information you have at your disposal? Children blabbing,I don't blame you

WoundedLamb:


No, bro. You need to understand that Ukraine is an independent country and sharing borders with Russia is not enough reason for Russia to dictate to her. It is simply a threat to thier sovereignty and should not be encouraging.

Russia can decide to cut ties with Ukraine or engage them in a trade war or find other socioeconomic ways to assert their dominance and get the country to do their bidding (if they've got enough economic power to pull that off). But there's no logical justification for insisting - by the use of force - that Ukraine will not be a member of NATO contrary to the country's wish. It's simply against the principle of sovereignty. If Russia succeeds, they've essentially taken over the country cause it will set a precedent that will be hard to maintain. Who knows what next they'll demand?

Russia should find other ways to fight her enemies without threatening the sovereignty or independence of her neighbours. Baring her fangs at Ukraine for their decision to dine with NATO is more or less an act if war.

You mean the way the USA dictated to a sovereign country like Cuba when they independently accepted the soviet's to site a missile base in their country and US almost invaded them because of it.

Keep deceiving yourself. Imagine Mexico accepting to have a Chinese or Russian military base in their country. You think the USA will not fight tooth and nail yo stop it because they will feel it threatens their security? Afterall, Mexico is a sovereign country and can make their own decisions

Mrbenny001:
You can type this your comment today without fear... thanks to Western Allies that fought for that freedom and democracy for you

See MUMU, I wonder what you guys have upstairs by thinking an external country is fighting for you under the guise of democracy or whatever. They do what will further their interest. Especially your natural resources or to advance their interest against their adversaries like in the case of coming to Russia backyard through Ukraine. Explains the reason why they never thought of supporting Libera in time of its woes, inspite of Liberia beign……

The tales of Albert Pike

Bbbwings:

They did not fire missiles into the US
They eventually dismantled it.

They made Cuba an attack point for firing missiles while the US used Ukraine and Turkey. They didn't go beyond the cold war but they succeeded in planting thier missiles which was the actual reason they got into a romance with Cuba in the first place. The US exercised thier economic power and Cuba could not stand the heat and eventually gave up. This was within their rights. The only threat to the sovereignty of Cuba was the attempted invasion of the country. An action that has been decried by all UN members except Brazil, Ukraine and the US. So why is it a crime to also speak up against Russia when/if they try to threaten other nation's sovereignty? This is not about the US but about respecting other country's sovereignty. Regardless of who is attacking, it should be condemned.

Please, read my response to the other guy above. I can't retype all that.

timay1:


You mean the way the USA dictated to a sovereign country like Cuba when they independently accepted the soviet's to site a missile base in their country and US almost invaded them because of it.

Keep deceiving yourself. Imagine Mexico accepting to have a Chinese or Russian military base in their country. You think the USA will not fight tooth and nail yo stop it because they will feel it threatens their security? Afterall, Mexico is a sovereign country and can make their own decisions

Y'all mentioning Cuba should please read my responses above. I can't keep repeating myself. The US used economic sanctions against Cuba (which is what I expected Russia to do). Thier failed attempt at invading Cuba has be decried by other world powers. So I see no reason why Russia should not be critized if they try to do the same. I am against Russia invading any country. This doesn't mean I'm for the US doing the same. If the US does it, it will be just as wrong. Religiously supporting a country that isn't even yours is simply ridiculous. The US has the economy power to control her neighbours, something Russia lacks.

WoundedLamb:


They made Cuba an attack point for firing missiles while the US used Ukraine and Turkey. They didn't go beyond the cold war but they succeeded in planting thier missiles which was the actual reason they got into a romance with Cuba in the first place. The US exercised thier economic power and Cuba could not stand the heat and eventually gave up. This was within their rights. The only threat to the sovereignty of Cuba was the attempted invasion of the country. An action that has been decried by all UN members except Brazil, Ukraine and the US. So why is it a crime to also speak up against Russia when/if they try to threaten other nation's sovereignty? This is not about the US but about respecting other country's sovereignty. Regardless of who is attacking, it should be condemned.

Please, read my response to the other guy above. I can't retype all that.

Sovereignty is only valid when you're neutral like Switzerland. Not when youre considering joining an organization whose sole premise is to encroach a superpower.