deukpai:
If Nigerians complaint that Igbo's are excesses. Don't you think other tribes are not doing enough to compete with them? If Igbo's were to be dominating in entertainment industry you people will still hate them for no reason. Now look at for years Yoruba are the one leading in entertainment industry and igbos are not worry.

Just to chip in to this interesting thread @deukpai

It's NOT about competing with Ibos like you stated. The perception has always been there for decades
pre-and-post 1914 about the OVERBEARING attitude of some Ibos who want to be domineering
or pushy in a plural ethnic society. Even abroad, some African countries complain about the behavior
of some noisy Ibos. Look at the COR Movement or the Calabar, Ogoja, Rivers Movement that
existed before 1960, and the call by non-Ibos [Ibibios, Efiks, Ijaws, Annangs, Ejegbam,
Southern Cameroons, etc] for them to be separated from the Old Eastern region
because of the overbearing attitude of Ibos who filled sensitive positions with their
kinsmen.

Chinua Achebe himself in a rare moment of clarity stated in his last book before he passed on that
"Igbos Are Noisy Exhibitionists & They Lack Humility And Quietness" - Achebe

“I will be the first to concede that the Igbo as a group is not without its flaws. Its success can and did carry deadly penalties: the dangers of hubris, overweening pride, and thoughtlessness, which invite envy and hatred or, even worse, than can obsess the mind with material success and dispose it to all kinds of crude showiness. There is no doubt at all that there is a strand in contemporary Igbo behavior that can offend by its noisy exhibitionism and disregard for humility and quietness.” - Chinua Achebe


In any event, there are Ibos who have a great deal of emotional intelligence that I've met over the
years and they work in harmony with others, but there are these group of uncouth Ibos who put
other innocent Ibos into troubled waters through their very careless talk and this can be seen EVEN
on Nairaland where some Ibo-speaking trolls have constituted themselves into a nuisance and
have offended and fought with many ethnic groups online and offline.

wealthtrak:

Just to chip in to this interesting thread @deukpai

It's NOT about competing with Ibos like you stated. The perception has always been there for decades
pre-and-post 1914 about the OVERBEARING attitude of some Ibos who want to be domineering
or pushy in a plural ethnic society. Even abroad, some African countries complain about the behavior
of some noisy Ibos. Look at the COR Movement or the Calabar, Ogoja, Rivers Movement that
existed before 1960, and the call by non-Ibos [Ibibios, Efiks, Ijaws, Annangs, Ejegbam,
Southern Cameroons, etc] for them to be separated from the Old Eastern region
because of the overbearing attitude of Ibos who filled sensitive positions with their
kinsmen.

Chinua Achebe himself in a rare moment of clarity stated in his last book before he passed on that
"Igbos Are Noisy Exhibitionists & They Lack Humility And Quietness" - Achebe

“I will be the first to concede that the Igbo as a group is not without its flaws. Its success can and did carry deadly penalties: the dangers of hubris, overweening pride, and thoughtlessness, which invite envy and hatred or, even worse, than can obsess the mind with material success and dispose it to all kinds of crude showiness. There is no doubt at all that there is a strand in contemporary Igbo behavior that can offend by its noisy exhibitionism and disregard for humility and quietness.” - Chinua Achebe


In any event, there are Ibos who have a great deal of emotional intelligence that I've met over the
years and they work in harmony with others, but there are these group of uncouth Ibos who put
other innocent Ibos into troubled waters through their very careless talk and this can be seen EVEN
on Nairaland where some Ibo-speaking trolls have constituted themselves into a nuisance and
have offended and fought with many ethnic groups online and offline.

Bla Bla Bla
Abeg make u no die over Igbo matter. You guys seem to have very different standards when it comes to Igbos.
More than half of winners chapel members are Igbos and yet less than 5% of their resident pastors are Igbos.
How many times have you seen Igbo’s wail and gnash their teeth in regards to that?

Thorondor:



Bla Bla Bla
Abeg make u no die over Igbo matter. You guys seem to have very different standards when it comes to Igbos.
More than half of winners chapel members are Igbos and yet less than 5% of their resident pastors are Igbos.
How many times have you seen Igbo’s wail and gnash their teeth in regards to that?

Nice observation and good question

None of what's going on here serves God. God is love. How do we know God's children someone asked Jesus. He replied by their actions will you know. This pastor needs to seek the face of God and ask for repentance. God understands all spoken and unspoken languages and not just
that of the Pastor.

May God help us overcome our biases and hatreds in Jesus name. Amen

flokii:


The official language in Nigeria is English to start with.. you can't force other tribes to learn Igbo or speak Igbo. It must strictly be by choice.

I understand a lil. bit of Igbo myself cos I attended Igbo classes in high school, just that I didn't write in WAEC. When I'm in a gathering and I see people from other tribes there, I switch tongue to English so noone will feel left behind or aggrieved and when I'm with my tribe guys, it's sweet Yoruba all day long.

The priest should have instructed the choir to do English to carry everyone in the church along but I guess we all have different approach to doing things.

It is your first post that gave me concern:
You said, "That's because some people don't respect boundaries or respect their hosts... How will you go to a church where the priest is not Igbo, doesn't speak or understand the language and start singing chorus in it. What happened to English or the local language in the area which is Yoruba?
I'm sure the non-Igbos there met with the priest to express their displeasure over the turn of events in the church which prompted that statement credited to him. For God sake, people should respect boundaries and respect their hosts."

Your post above was my issue and not your eventual response to mine.
You mentioned boundaries.
Boundaries to God or to man?
I asked you what you'd have done if you were the priest and you haven't answered it. You also did not acknowledge that it was a screw up from the priest.

There's something called the Laity in the Catholic Church. That's where the issue would've been discussed if congregants felt the one-sided songs was becoming a problem.
Come'on! What is wrong is wrong!!!

mapet:
I am careful not to base by judgment of the situation of a potentially skewed reportage of the media....

Even though the beauty of worship is seen in our local dialects... but reversal of it is despicable and in bad taste. Some churches being mere association of ethic collectives and village meetings rather than true house of God. Positions and service functions ends up becoming guided by ethnicity and the place of God is relegated.... trust me such churches become spiritually stagnant...

I am an Anglican. I lived in Ikorodu till 2010. I remember when our church newly started... the then Bishop Adebiyi had cases of churches some churches with ethinic-laced challenges which was affecting its growth. He came up with creative solution - All churches stated from year 2000 upwards will conduct services in English and not any Nigerian language. Prayers and songs could be sung in any language....

My Church St. Paul's Owutu grew fast, we had a well blended congregation and we were more like family. Any time I visit Ikorodu and the church, I feel at home with people of all races, peoples, ethnicity and colours. This is what Jesus wants...

I want to give the Revd. Father a benefit of doubt that this is a typical problem he was trying to solve...

PS: If this was the "offense" does it warrant suspension? or is there something else?

Interesting. I lived in Owutu myself in the late 90s to early 00s.
Was living close to Inglewood. Don't know if you know the school.

Wetin we do Nigerias for God sake.

Newton85:
Well, I can't blame the Benin priest Anelu. He just doesn't want Eboes to Eboenize his Parish.

mynd44 lalasticlala seun

Rule 2

Dsalvo:


Exactly. Igbos always want from everyone what they can never give others.

IGBO TRIBE REMAIN THE MOST PEACEFUL TRIBE. IF WE TREAT OTHER TRIBES THE SAME WAY THEY TREATE US THEN EVERYME WILL START SHOUTING FOUL .0WE ARE IGBOS, WE WORK VERY HARD TO STAY ONTOP , AND NEVER LAZY TO DESERVE BIN BELOW. JUST CHECK SAME CHURCH AND U WILL S3 THAT THE IGBO PEOPLE SACRIFICE MORE.

LILTJAY1:
go and die and join ojukwu in hell

go and die and join awolowo in hell. You can use raktak just as he did

Dsalvo:


What has this got to do with Yorubas shameless bigot.

Is Rev.Fr.James Anelu Yoruba? You just proved his point when he talked of the "excesses" of Igbos.

Even on Nairaland, you guys are the major nuisance, full of hate and insult, we have here.

Abeg face the fact that most Nigerians despise Igbos and stop linking Yorubas to the bad rep you have with fellow Nigerians.

THE AFONJAS ARE THE MAIN CHILDREN OF HATE. THERE'S SOME SPECIAL ABOUT THE IGBOS THAT OTHERS HATE. #HATEON

Dsalvo:


Lol. Can you Igbos ever act educated and refined? So you have a crystal ball to read beyond what is written to somehow link Yorubas with this?

Father James Anelu has a problem with Igbo "excesses" and somehow it is Yorubas that put him up to it?

You Igbos will never heal to be better loved and accepted by fellow Nigerians because when Nigerians complain of your "excesses" the first thing you do is attack them and point fingers of blame eslewhere. Preferably at Yorubas.

WRONG... YORUBAS ARE THE ONES WHO GAT PROBLEM WITH US. U GUYS ARE NO MATCH

niggadee:
truth hurts they brought it upon themselves Igbo are tribalist toward other tribes

How exactly, have you been to any Igbo land ? Have you try doing business and discriminated against ?

Arijude:
go and die and join awolowo in hell. You can use raktak just as he did

you will soon join ikonso if you dont take time..

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wealthtrak:

Just to chip in to this interesting thread @deukpai

It's NOT about competing with Ibos like you stated. The perception has always been there for decades
pre-and-post 1914 about the OVERBEARING attitude of some Ibos who want to be domineering
or pushy in a plural ethnic society. Even abroad, some African countries complain about the behavior
of some noisy Ibos. Look at the COR Movement or the Calabar, Ogoja, Rivers Movement that
existed before 1960, and the call by non-Ibos [Ibibios, Efiks, Ijaws, Annangs, Ejegbam,
Southern Cameroons, etc] for them to be separated from the Old Eastern region
because of the overbearing attitude of Ibos who filled sensitive positions with their
kinsmen.

Chinua Achebe himself in a rare moment of clarity stated in his last book before he passed on that
"Igbos Are Noisy Exhibitionists & They Lack Humility And Quietness" - Achebe

“I will be the first to concede that the Igbo as a group is not without its flaws. Its success can and did carry deadly penalties: the dangers of hubris, overweening pride, and thoughtlessness, which invite envy and hatred or, even worse, than can obsess the mind with material success and dispose it to all kinds of crude showiness. There is no doubt at all that there is a strand in contemporary Igbo behavior that can offend by its noisy exhibitionism and disregard for humility and quietness.” - Chinua Achebe


In any event, there are Ibos who have a great deal of emotional intelligence that I've met over the
years and they work in harmony with others, but there are these group of uncouth Ibos who put
other innocent Ibos into troubled waters through their very careless talk and this can be seen EVEN
on Nairaland where some Ibo-speaking trolls have constituted themselves into a nuisance and
have offended and fought with many ethnic groups online and offline.

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Kylekent59:

You are a Yoruba man. You think I don't know.

before nkor?
Proud one you hausa bastard and animal

Arijude:
go and die and join awolowo in hell. You can use raktak just as he did

LILTJAY1:
you will soon join ikonso if you dont take time..

oh you must join those dead ibarapa people soonest

winterfell007:
I can't believe that the story finally got to nairaland and possibly the media. That's my parish and I was there when we made her stupid comment siting that the choir member must have come from the Igbo village hence the reason why he has been singing Igbo songs during the first collection after Holy Communion. The priest had the opportunity to apologize to the congregation right and end all hostilities there but the mumu kept on justifying his action siting that "we complain that Fulani is dominating Nigeria and we all complaining, it's the same the Igbos are doing in the catholic church". This really irked the congregation,
I'm suprised how this incident that happened last sunday finally got to the nairaland. E be like say we get nairalnders for church wey go report to Bishop and Seun

Imagine equating Igbo with fulani.and you people were watching him uttering this rubbish,una no beat am?most lagos born & brought up Igbos re just too weak for my liking.

Arijude:
oh you must join those dead ibarapa people soonest

your family will be killed in another izombe massacre

chiefobdk2:


the first time i went to Mozambique....the taxi that took me from malawi border to my destination was playing Igbo gospel music... Moçambique is a Portuguese speaking country

Qué beleza. Quero ir para Moca tambem...
You must have some stories...lol. Abeg drop a few or DM me.

In Dakar, I was buying oranges from a fruit stall when two young women in the middle of a conversation in Wolof....yelled 'Chineke'. I shock tire

LILTJAY1:
your family will be killed in another izombe massacre

your whole family and lineage will be kill in the next ibarapa war. Non of you will be able to escape to Benin Republic

edoairways:

That is priest is right. You sing songs not understood by all in a church? .

In my church in anambra, we use even hausa and akwa ibom abi ibibio to sing . The priest is bittered by d progress of d igbos. He tribalistic. When i served in Gusau,zamfara state, they use igbo to sing because some songs sounds sweeter when sang with igbo

Bashir75:
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SURELY, YOU WILL MOVE THROUGH THE FOREST OR ATLANTIC OCEAN WHEN THE TIME COMES. WE JUST NEED ONE TRIBAL LEADER AS GOVERNOR OR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE’S MOVEMENT WHO ARE TIRED OF YOUR DECEIT. THAT’S ALL. YOU WILL NOT EVEN REMEMBER YOUR NAMES.

Lol better grab the offer he is putting up, hunger is real.

chiefobdk2:

you family and generation are cursed.


thats why u will never do well in life

Thats why they keep selling anything sellable hehehe

LILTJAY1:
bastard people always having problems wherever they go..

I think ur tribes are the ones you just described here... People without law where women can marry 10 husbands at the same time or every other sabbatical leave...do you even know ur dard?

PHIPEX:
Now that Fulani is dominating you, you have gone to hide, imagine Buhari is Igbo.

Igbos are competitive anywhere, you can see it in their markets. If you are not ready for competition they will overtake you, it doesn't make them bad.

Yes oo the average igbo man has natural business sense not the ones with lazy attitudes doing assignment upandan to get customers.

Newton85:
The priest is even from Edo State and even stated that that's the same thing they used to do in his Benin parish.

What do they expect... All they do is noise but when its time for launching and bazaar they go and find igbo man that will seat as father of the day...mostly igbos contribute financially and morally to the catholic church this is very well known, no wonder the catholic church thrives very well in the east and south, you find alot of missionary hospitals, schools and orphanages there even more than they have down west. Let them too go and do same if its easy. So igbos are only good for contribution and not recognition?

LILTJAY1:
Igbo people are cursed. .
I swear to god

The oyorubas are worse... Courtesy Afonja cunningness

sweetjohn:
So dominating is nuisance. You are mad with no apologies. But let me shock you and your illiterate likes, the Igbos don't give a Bleep about your pains and hate. We will keep dominating, until your people and the entire Africa start giving their children Igbo names. Idiotic baboon

Is it not Grace? Igbos dominate without terrorism and religious war. Igbos dominate without backdoor gossip, backbiting and sheer pretence like a group of people i know

Dawn91:


This is painful to read. You need to understand that people like Asari don't speak for us in the southsouth

Who told you we hate Igbos? Do you think we love Yoruba ? How on earth can you think we will leave Igbo whom we share so much in common with culturally and traditionally and love Yoruba who
We don't share anything with?

Be reasonable. Does kanu speak for all Igbos ? No so how can you think people like Wike or Asari speaks for all of us in Niger Delta?

Refreshing