Who baptism help

Some of 20/21st century churches has started attacking what they don’t know .
The Bible you all quote , who compiled it ?
A church that has the whole Church Tradition form AD 42 is what you are attacking ?
How many of you guys know the original Bible ( as it was written ( not edited into chapters or verses , and in same language the authors used , ) are with the Pope ?
I wonder where some of you came from ? So there’s no Tradition or Ritualism again ?
Stop criticizing what you don’t know .
God is a God of order not chaos , a principled God .
Catholic doesn’t use only the Bible , they have ancient books , some books of prophets not in the Bible , some epistles of other apostles some of us don’t know ( or you think it’s only Peter, John , James ,Luke , Paul, Mark ) that wrote about the life of Christ on earth or about their Ministry. You don’t know every of the apostles and even deacons has their diary and epistles they wrote while on their mission , (same way your Daddy and Mummy GO write books and still add it to their ministry . ) and some diction and some oral story as said by natives .
Life is a mystery . God is omniscient.
Catholic Church is infallible

Gullah:
1. If your number one point is true then that means every baptism done in the catholic church is invalid because if it's not done according to what was taught by Christ in the scriptures then it's invalid.

2. Your number two point is complete nonsense. Baptism is done once and so long as it is done according to scriptures, it's valid. If you decide to go and be doing it multiple times, that is your own human decision. Christ never instructed anyone to do baptism twice. The only reason why you should do baptism again is if the first one you did was unscriptural.

1. According to Jesus Christ's own teachings in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 - 13, that would seem the case.

2. Like I said, Your churches each have their own doctrines and traditions of men which they abide by, and so yes,if you switch churches, the new business might require that you get a new baptism.

Again, stop assuming because they read scriptures means they all abide by scriptural definitions of things. Your churches are each built on doctrines and traditions of men which are lies where the Truth of God is concerned and so these businesses are well within their rights to mandate rules as they please.

ogascomax:
As if Catholic Church baptism is valid before. Any baptism that is not done by immersion is invalid.

Wrong! Even God's own definition found in Ezekiel 36 vs 25-26, suggests a sprinkling does the job.

Freebills12:
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And what did the bible say?
You are uninformed and simple research will help you. All the main line churches Catholic Church, Anglican, Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran etc use the right formula which is "I " baptise you in name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Who is the We... When you are the person doing the baptism

If I said instead "You are baptized...." would that work or not?

Kobojunkie:
1. According to Jesus Christ's own teachings in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 - 13, that would seem the case.

2. Like I said, Your churches each have their own doctrines and traditions of men which they abide by, and so yes,if you switch churches, the new business might require that you get a new baptism.

Again, stop assuming because they read scriptures means they all abide by scriptural definitions of things. Your churches are each built on doctrines and traditions of men which are lies where the Truth of God is concerned and so these businesses are well within their rights to mandate rules as they please.

You are talking nonsense mr man. Baptism is Christ's ordinance not man's. Once you do it in a scripturally instructed manner, you don't need to do it again even if you change church 100 times. Human institutions have no power to declare God's ordinance invalid.

Aaronsrod:
This stupid man has sent thousands of children to hellfire. Nawa oo

Wetey ti po ju ni country yii men. To hell ba wo

Kobojunkie:
What letter kills and why in this context abeg?

What do you understand by "the letter kills"?

Gullah:

The catholic church is the Authority not the Bible? Seriously? So if the Catholic Church is telling you to do things that are against the word of God, you will follow the catholic church?

Some of you guys really need to be tutored
The Bible is NOT the word of God, the bible only CONTAINS the word of God.....
The Bible itself tells you that........

In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God n The WORD was GOD..
So there you have it....
The word of God is JESUS CHRIST N not the Bible......
N today the Catholic church is the mystical body of jesus Christ......
What ever the catholic church pronounces has been pronounced n sanctioned by Christ in heaven
Christ made it so himself.....

If men were God......

This Catholicism seems a cult fraternity. Misplaced priority of the highest level.

jesusjnr2020:
Misplaced priorities.

If Una like use I or we or you or us or them or he or she or all of the above when baptizing them, if the baptized person is not truly saved, he or she would also be baptized with the fire of hell at the end if they don't truly repent.

caracas:

Some of you guys really need to be tutored
The Bible is NOT the word of God, the bible only CONTAINS the word of God.....
The Bible itself tells you that........

In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God n The WORD was GOD..
So there you have it....
The word of God is JESUS CHRIST N not the Bible......
N today the Catholic church is the mystical body of jesus Christ......
What ever the catholic church pronounces has been pronounced n sanctioned by Christ in heaven

Lol, so if christ is the word as you rightly say then the catholic church says something contrary to what Christ said then you will follow the catholic church? What did christ say about baptism and how it should be done?

caracas:
1. "Peter you are the rock, and upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH!"..( peter was the first leader of that church, of which the current pope , pope Francis is a successor)

2. "The gates of hell shall never prevail against it"
(This makes that church infallible)

3. " This is my body which will be given up for you n the forgiveness of sin, do this in memory of me".......
The holy Eucharist which is the body n blood of Christ ( real) is today the nucleus n fulcrum of the Catholic church. This makes it the mystical body of Christ.....

4. " Receive the holy spirit , what ever you bind on earth is bind in heaven, whatever you loose on earth is also loose in heaven".....

This gives the church Authority over any, including the bible........
The above are well quoted in the Bible....

1. That is a fable you gullible folks are fed to deceive you into believing there hogwash. Instead Righteousness is the key and rock upon which Jesus Christ's church is built - the Rock that Jesus Christ Himself, not Peter, is.

Second, Peter was not a leader of any church, nor did he build any churches. He was just one of the disciples and the same commandments Jesus Christ gave Him, He gave to all of His followers.

2. The gates of Hell can never prevail against Righteousness, not your Catholic empire - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

3. The blood and body was given for the forgiveness of sins? You need to read your Bible abeg - Matthew 26 vs 24 - 30 & John 6 vs 25 - 44 . Your Catholic rituals are severely disconnected from scripture in many ways ways that it is hard to attempt connecting them..

4. Receive the Holy spirit? According to Jesus Christ, only those who are perfect can receive the Holy Spirit- John 8 vs 31 - 33 and John 14 vs 15 - 25. But you lot don't believe in such, do you?.

Abeg, all you have done here is spew back at me the hogwash you have been indoctrinated with. Whatever Authority you claim for your church exists only in your mind and has absolutely nothing to do with God and His New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ.

Aaronsrod:
This stupid man has sent thousands of children to hellfire. Nawa oo

Religious bigot

Gullah:

Lol, so if christ is the word as you rightly say then the catholic church says something contrary to what Christ said then you will follow the catholic church? What did christ say about baptism and how it should be done?

The Catholic church cannot say or do anything contrary to Christ .....
They are one n the same

12rev:
What do you understand by "the letter kills"?

See how you dey repeat "the letter kills" as I say na real terminology.

Anyways, I understand it enough to know that Paul's statement there has no application to this context.

Aaronsrod:
This stupid man has sent thousands of children to hellfire. Nawa oo

We are waiting for Our nairaland pastor righteousness God's who exists in 3 spirit,me no followed oooh

caracas:

The Catholic church cannot say or do anything contrary to Christ .....
They are one n the same

Actually 100% of that carried out by the catholic church is against Jesus Christ.

Aaronsrod:
This stupid man has sent thousands of children to hellfire. Nawa oo

Because of water baptism, continue

Gullah:
You are talking nonsense mr man. Baptism is Christ's ordinance not man's. Once you do it in a scripturally instructed manner, you don't need to do it again even if you change church 100 times. Human institutions have no power to declare God's ordinance invalid.

Again, learn to comprehend what is put forth before you before responding.

Aaronsrod:
This stupid man has sent thousands of children to hellfire. Nawa oo

Children are innocent and don't need whatever baptism to gain entrance into the kingdom of God, the Church. So baptizing them in the first place is not according to Scripture because no apostolic example of infant baptism. Or any record of infant being baptized.

12rev:

Maybe their own Bible did not say "the letter kills"

This link will open your eyes from the deep ignorance of half baked faith u beleive in:


https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

caracas:

The Catholic church cannot say or do anything contrary to Christ .....
They are one n the same

Lies, the catholic church has a history of deviating from gospel of christ. All those people that the catholic church killed during the crusades and the inquisition, was it Christ that sent them? You are propagating a heresy. Christ and the catholic church are not one and the same.

Kobojunkie:
Again, learn to comprehend what is put forth before you before responding.

What you put forth is arrant nonsense!!

Gullah:

Lies, the catholic church has a history of deviating from gospel of christ. All those people that the catholic church killed during the crusades and the inquisition, was it Christ that sent them? You are propagating a heresy. Christ and the catholic church are not one and the same.

Those sins were committed by individuals n not the Catholic church.....
The crusade in itself was never a sin
They were defending Christendom...
Who knows you probably won't be a Christian today if not for the great crusaders who defended Christianity.....

caracas:

Those sins were committed by individuals n not the Catholic church.....
The crusade in itself was never a sin
They were defending Christendom...
Who knows you probably won't be a Christian today if not for the great crusaders who defended Christianity.....

Story, the catholic church did it!! Your popes sanctioned those actions didn't they? Many popes have even been recorded in history to engage in all manner of abominable acts like adultery and murders. If the Catholic Church is one and the same with christ then how did all these evil find their way into it? Can christ be corrupted? And please the so called great crusaders didn't do anything that brought the gospel to us. The places they went to fight in are almost entirely muslim and jewish today so which christianity did they go there to defend?

Kobojunkie:
See how you dey repeat "the letter kills" as I say na real terminology.

Anyways, I understand it enough to know that Paul's statement there has no application to this context.

Okay, so put it your way.

Aaronsrod:
This stupid man has sent thousands of children to hellfire. Nawa oo

TAKE IT EASY MAN!


And, the HOLY BIBLE says "THE LETTER KILLS"



THE LORD SAID, "MY WAYS ARE YOUR WAYS, NEITHER ARE MY THOUGHTS, YOUR THOUGHTS!"


[]AS THE HEAVENS ARE FAR FROM THE EARTH, SO ARE MY WAYS & THOUGHTS ARE FAR FROM YOUR WAYS & YOUR THOUGHTS!



FINALLY, THE SPIRITUAL MATTERS CAN NOT BE DONE BY THE CARNAL MINDS, EITHER BY EARTHLY DECREES OR WHATSOEVER!!!

12rev:

What do you understand by "the letter kills"?

Here, to help you better comprehend Paul's statement that you all love to quote without real understanding of the message....

1. Why are we beginning again to tell you all these good things about ourselves? Do we need letters of introduction to you or from you, like some other people?
2 No, you yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts. It is known and read by all people.
3 You show that you are a letter from Christ that he sent through us. This letter is not written with ink but with the Spirit of the living God. It is not written on stone[a] tablets but on human hearts.

4 We can say this, because through Christ we feel sure before God.
5 I don’t mean that we are able to do anything good ourselves. It is God who makes us able to do all that we do.
6 He made us able to be servants of a new agreement from himself to his people. It is not an agreement of written laws, but it is of the Spirit. The written law brings death, but the Spirit gives life - 2 Corinthians 3 vs 1 - 6

Paul attempts a comparison between the Old Covenant Law which was written and given to the people of Israel by Moses- God wrote parts of it on stone - to the New Covenant Law , Jesus Christ , which is said to be written on the hearts of those who belong to Jesus Christ.

ArewaNorth:


This link will open your eyes from the deep ignorance of half baked faith u beleive in:


https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

Quit stroking your ego on some false hope. You want to compare christianity and islam in terms of violence? You must be joking.

OBALOLA55:
YES BUT HE WAS NOT SENT TO WE GENTILES

So the Catholic Church has been baptizing people wrongly for over 2000 years and yet people are still flocking to the Church in thier billion and you are the one to correct them as a bible scholar that you are.I wish you the best.