Kobojunkie:
There are numerous differences between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. However, if you paid attention to the entire context, you find that what Paul seemed to stress is that the Old Covenant was written on tablets, and scrolls, for the people of Old and they were taught from person to person- God literally gave the task of teaching His Old Law to every israelite in the land.

While where it has to do with with the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, Paul stated that the details of the Law are etched in the hearts of those who belong to Jesus Christ - they are all born of Spirit and so have eternal life according to John 3 vs 5 - 8 & Ezekiel 36 vs 26 - 27. and are taught by Him and Him alone

YinkaOlusesi16:
May the lord av mercy

12rev:
Nope its not a matter of where the law is written in essence....the difference is in the practice, the laws remain essentially the same. .....

Kobojunkie:
So what if the Bible scripts where processed by the Catholic church, that doesn't change the fact that the church does not itself abide by it.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who Obey His Commandments. Despite the Catholic church working scripture available to all, the establishment refuses to adhere to the teachings and Commandments of Jesus Christ . I on the other hand do, so how does that make me a Catholic or put me in the same boat as the Catholic organization?

Kobojunkie:
The catholic baptisms are also as defined by catholic law, not as defined in scripture as you assume. So like everything else, the church has authority to annul catholic Baptisms not carried out according to catholic Law.

linearity:
It is still nonsense, even by their own standards:

If the baptism is invalid, therefore confirmation, Eucharist, Holly matrimony, entry seminary and priestly ordinations, etc are all invalid.

If they are serious, they should go ahead and also invalidate all those sacraments that have baptism as a prerequisite and have those people redo them including multi-years studies and services that requires a valid baptism.

oluwaahmed:

The poster reffered to catholics as cattle based on their tradition, its hypocritical because ur understanding of the bible is a construct of what the same Catholic Church put in there & push out to you to gobble down your throats. You saw no such scroll of Matthews, mark, luke & John, u cannot even prove the accuracy or authenticate if such works really existed. Matthew and mark and luke were not close deciples of Jesus, what happened to the gospels according to James the just(the brother of Jesus & successor)Mary magdalena, Simon Peter, Thomas.. people that were in Jesus inner circle. How come no such gospels exist yet you don't ask this questions or have answers to this questions but you call the Catholic cattle because they corrected the error of a priest. The person is even worse than cattle cos he hates the establishment that is the author of his faith literally.

Kobojunkie:
And the statement in bold is where your error stems from.

Much the same as with the Old Covenant, the New Covenant also demands obedience of not one but all of the Laws. Yes,the key in both cases is Obedience. Just as God called on the Israelites to obey His commandments, so also Jesus Christ calls on His New Covenant followers to obey His commandments..

Jesus Christ made it clear throughout His teachings that only those who obey His commandments love Him and are of Him - John 14 vs 15 - 14- and those who are His friends are those who do as He commands - John 15 vs 14. . Jesus Christ even reprimanded those who would go around calling Him "Lord, Lord" yet refusing to obey His commandments- Luke 6 vs 46 - 49 going as far as to use parables to describe those who would refuse to obey Him as those who build their houses on sinking sand - Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29

As for Holiness in the New Covenant, that too is only attained by those who submit and live in obedience of the Truth - God's New Covenant Law - of God, as Jesus Christ proclaimed that indeed it is those who know the Truth that are set free from bondage to sin by the Truth of God - His commandments.

God is God of Laws and even these two Covenants are indeed very different, but the key to everyone of God's Law is the same - obedience of the terms and conditions, the very detail of His Laws. For you see, once you break one commandments, you are no different from one who has broken them all.

Now, as far as love is concerned, the Old Covenant Law " Love thy neighbor as you love your own self" found somewhere in Leviticus 19, I think, ought to put to rest any ideas you may have of love nor being a mandate in the Old Covenant .

oluwaahmed:

Except you are reading from the same scroll Jesus read from, or from the abridged versions of the scroll which all Jews posses(even the Ethiopian & igbo Jews have this Torah) you are only reading a selected collection of scrolls compiled by the Catholic Church, hence you have no point insulting the Catholic Church because you are all in the same shepple boat.

November24:


Islamic terrorists.. Fvck off

caracas:

The Catholic church is the church of Christ on earth
The Catholic church is the Church instituted by Christ on earth
The Catholic church created the Bible
The Catholic church is the mystical body of Jesus christ
The Catholic church is infallible..
The catholic church is the AUTHORITY not the Bible.......

Gullah:

You are just putting the cart before the horse. Who ordained baptism? Was it Christ or the catholic church? Every church has their own way of doing it which is different and so long as they follow the scriptural instructions, they are valid. It doesn't matter what anyone says. Are you telling me that if I am baptised in a church according to scriptural instructions then I relocate to another place and maybe the new church I attend do it differently then I have to be baptized again? The story didn't say the baptism wasn't done according to the scriptures, it says the priests didn't say I instead of we. That's not a disqualifier in the eyes of God, the Bible didn't say anywhere that you must say we instead of I. God has recognized that baptism and ithuman denominataccepts it or not. Tecipient of suchsm don't have to doher one. The only thing that can render a baptism illegal is if it wasn't done according to the scriptures.

Aaronsrod:
This stupid man has sent thousands of children to hellfire. Nawa oo

Gullah:

They have a right to penalize any of their priests or members who err from their laws but they don't have the power to declare anyone's baptism illegal. Baptism is a spiritual ordinance by Jesus Himself, it's not man that decides which one is valid or not, it's God as revealed in His word. Once it's done according to scriptural instructions, the baptism is valid. it doesn't matter whether you confirm to your church directive on the words to use or how to do it. The church can then only penalize whoever did it for not adhering to their own method of doing it but that doesn't render the baptism illegal. The recipient of such baptism don't have to do another baptism. Prayers For Thanksgiving

Kobojunkie:
And the statement in bold is where your error stems from.

Much the same as with the Old Covenant, the New Covenant also demands obedience of not one but all of the Laws. Yes,the key in both cases is Obedience. Just as God called on the Israelites to obey His commandments, so also Jesus Christ calls on His New Covenant followers to obey His commandments..

Jesus Christ made it clear throughout His teachings that only those who obey His commandments love Him and are of Him - John 14 vs 15 - 14- and those who are His friends are those who do as He commands - John 15 vs 14. . Jesus Christ even reprimanded those who would go around calling Him "Lord, Lord" yet refusing to obey His commandments- Luke 6 vs 46 - 49 going as far as to use parables to describe those who would refuse to obey Him as those who build their houses on sinking sand - Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29

As for Holiness in the New Covenant, that too is only attained by those who submit and live in obedience of the Truth - God's New Covenant Law - of God, as Jesus Christ proclaimed that indeed it is those who know the Truth that are set free from bondage to sin by the Truth of God - His commandments.

God is God of Laws and even these two Covenants are indeed very different, but the key to everyone of God's Law is the same - obedience of the terms and conditions, the very detail of His Laws. For you see, once you break one commandments, you are no different from one who has broken them all.

Now, as far as love is concerned, the Old Covenant Law " Love thy neighbor as you love your own self" found somewhere in Leviticus 19, I think, ought to put to rest any ideas you may have of love nor being a mandate in the Old Covenant .

Stevenson20:
What a sad way to end your calling.

charlsecy:
You didn't understand the post then.

Arango remains a priest in good standing, and the situation has not disqualified him from his vocation and ministry, the Diocese said.

12rev:

I said both are same, just that the emphasis is shifted from "thou shall not" to "thou shall", love being the guide.

Kobojunkie:
Actually, the church indeed does have the power since the live off their own doctrines and traditions, and so have authority to penalize anyone who does not conform to their business rules as far as their ideas are concerned.

Gullah:
This is nonsense, the catholic church doesn't have the power to declare people's baptism illegal at all not to talk of over a flimsy excuse as this. The only thing that can make a baptism not to be valid is if it's not done according to Bible directions or principles.

Aaronsrod:
This stupid man has sent thousands of children to hellfire. Nawa oo

linearity:


It is still nonsense, even by their own standards:

If the baptism is invalid, therefore confirmation, Eucharist, Holly matrimony, entry seminary and priestly ordinations, etc are all invalid.

If they are serious, they should go ahead and also invalidate all those sacraments that have baptism as a prerequisite and have those people redo them including multi-years studies and services that requires a valid baptism.

Ubenedictus:
biko no one is God, God works outside the sacraments

Kobojunkie:
God no send you or anyone go dey do "sacraments" so instead your sacraments nullify the power of God's Word in your lives - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

Ubenedictus:

if you knew what the sacraments are, you would not have written the rubbish you wrote above.

So your own bible didnt tell you that God commanded baptism?

Kobojunkie:
I know exactly what your sacraments mean to you lot and they have absolutely nothing to do with that commanded by Jesus Christ of His individual followers.

Your baptisms are done without understanding of what is commanded in scripture. Even pagans engage in such rituals which seem similar to baptism as commanded by God in scripture but are of completely different intentions.

Ubenedictus:
now it is clear you are ignorant. maybe you can do a historical appraisal of baptism from apostolic times, down through the centuries in the Christian church. then maybe you may have a little understanding of what catholic baptism is and would not make the mistake of comparing it with pagan rites.

Kobojunkie:
I know exactly what your sacraments mean to you lot and they have absolutely nothing to do with that commanded by Jesus Christ of His individual followers.

Your baptisms are done without understanding of what is commanded in scripture. Even pagans engage in such rituals which seem similar to baptism as commanded by God in scripture but are of completely different intentions.

Kobojunkie:
All you have done here is further buttress my earlier point.... You think you can explain God and the things of God's Kingdom by examining the history of man's churches, opening up to the fact that your doctrines and traditions have nothing to do with that commanded by God Himself.