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Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Nobody: 10:39pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Nope its not a matter of where the law is written in essence....the difference is in the practice, the laws remain essentially the same. While holiness to the oldies was in keeping a long list of thou shall not; where they saw themselves as "holy" for being upright according to what is written, and thought it right to pass judgements on others not "holy" as they believed themselves to be; the new convenant does not discard the old but simplifies it to just "love" for your next door man, and for God, without the practice of stonning one another for breaking the sabbath or fornicating, by understanding Holiness isnt by works of filthy hands of ours but by grace. Thats what St Paul was teaching...the letter killeth. Dont make mere words the law: "we baptise you...or i baptise you"; rather the law should be based on the principle love. Thats all there is to it. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by dnawah(m): 10:42pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
Whether na I or we,all the wrong � Na by immention and in the na of Jesus.� |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by akmath: 10:52pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
YinkaOlusesi16:On we |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Kobojunkie: 10:53pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
12rev:And the statement in bold is where your error stems from. Much the same as with the Old Covenant, the New Covenant also demands obedience of not one but all of the Laws. Yes,the key in both cases is Obedience. Just as God called on the Israelites to obey His commandments, so also Jesus Christ calls on His New Covenant followers to obey His commandments.. Jesus Christ made it clear throughout His teachings that only those who obey His commandments love Him and are of Him - John 14 vs 15 - 14- and those who are His friends are those who do as He commands - John 15 vs 14. . Jesus Christ even reprimanded those who would go around calling Him "Lord, Lord" yet refusing to obey His commandments- Luke 6 vs 46 - 49 going as far as to use parables to describe those who would refuse to obey Him as those who build their houses on sinking sand - Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29 As for Holiness in the New Covenant, that too is only attained by those who submit and live in obedience of the Truth - God's New Covenant Law - of God, as Jesus Christ proclaimed that indeed it is those who know the Truth that are set free from bondage to sin by the Truth of God - His commandments. God is God of Laws and even these two Covenants are indeed very different, but the key to everyone of God's Law is the same - obedience of the terms and conditions, the very detail of His Laws. For you see, once you break one commandments, you are no different from one who has broken them all. Now, as far as love is concerned, the Old Covenant Law " Love thy neighbor as you love your own self" found somewhere in Leviticus 19, I think, ought to put to rest any ideas you may have of love nor being a mandate in the Old Covenant . |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by oluwaahmed: 10:58pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:The poster reffered to catholics as cattle based on their tradition, its hypocritical because ur understanding of the bible is a construct of what the same Catholic Church put in there & push out to you to gobble down your throats. You saw no such scroll of Matthews, mark, luke & John, u cannot even prove the accuracy or authenticate if such works really existed. Matthew and mark and luke were not close deciples of Jesus, what happened to the gospels according to James the just(the brother of Jesus & successor)Mary magdalena, Simon Peter, Thomas.. people that were in Jesus inner circle. How come no such gospels exist yet you don't ask this questions or have answers to this questions but you call the Catholic cattle because they corrected the error of a priest. The person is even worse than cattle cos he hates the establishment that is the author of his faith literally. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by KallmemrB0: 11:06pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
This is funny... He said we baptise you in the Name of the Father. The Son and the Holy Spirit.. There's nothing odd in that... Rather than Focusing on Russia - Ukraine issue they are busy with "I" and "we" |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by linearity: 11:07pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: It is still nonsense, even by their own standards: If the baptism is invalid, therefore confirmation, Eucharist, Holly matrimony, entry seminary and priestly ordinations, etc are all invalid. If they are serious, they should go ahead and also invalidate all those sacraments that have baptism as a prerequisite and have those people redo them including multi-years studies and services that requires a valid baptism. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Kobojunkie: 11:15pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
linearity:The Catholic enterprise has it's own set of rules by which it validates or invalidates practices carried out by it's members in it's name. So, clearly the priest ought to have paid closer attention to the rules he signed up to obey in this. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Kobojunkie: 11:23pm On Feb 15, 2022 |
oluwaahmed:So, your case is that because God didn't write with His own hands any portion of that which is scripture, what we believe in is a construct of the men and organizations that compiled them?, |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by SaiRuiMall: 12:06am On Feb 16, 2022 |
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Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by shevchenko(m): 12:18am On Feb 16, 2022 |
[s] Kobojunkie:[/s] What do you know about God? NOTHING |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by November24(f): 12:22am On Feb 16, 2022 |
oluwaahmed: Islamic terrorists.. Fvck off |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by oluwaahmed: 12:27am On Feb 16, 2022 |
November24: Dumbo resorted to insults, typical of pentecostals. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Felimax(m): 6:10am On Feb 16, 2022 |
caracas: We are not on the same page. Just leave them alone. I am very proud to be a Catholic and a Catholic I will remain forever. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Christmasdon(m): 8:13am On Feb 16, 2022 |
Gullah:.BUT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS "I" AND NOT WE. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Tekuzukite: 9:11am On Feb 16, 2022 |
Aaronsrod:Please choose your words carefully. The Priest is not stupid. Meanwhile, who made you a judge of those who go to hell? Is baptism even a criteria for going to heaven or hell? |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by naijapage(f): 9:53am On Feb 16, 2022 |
Gullah: |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Nobody: 11:46am On Feb 16, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:I said both are same, just that the emphasis is shifted from "thou shall not" to "thou shall", love being the guide. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by charlsecy(m): 11:59am On Feb 16, 2022 |
Stevenson20:You didn't understand the post then. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Stevenson20: 12:02pm On Feb 16, 2022 |
charlsecy: You that understood it, did you understand the priest's last statement? |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by charlsecy(m): 12:19pm On Feb 16, 2022 |
@Stevenson20 His calling is not ended! Arango remains a priest in good standing, and the situation has not disqualified him from his vocation and ministry, the Diocese said. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Kobojunkie: 1:52pm On Feb 16, 2022 |
12rev:I know what the popular narrative is of Jesus Christ. And I am telling you that that narrative is wrong about Jesus Christ. According to Jesus Christ's teachings, the israelites who lived by the two greatest commandments of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, were pretty much covered under the Old Covenant Law of Moses -obeyed all the 613 statutes and commandments of that agreement by that alone. This because according to Jesus Christ, those 2 commandments summed up the entirety of the Law and the prophets - the Old Covenant. . However, when it comes to the New Covenant, there are no Two greatest commandments given to us that cover it all. So the notion that love is the guide does not work at all in the New Covenant. Here's an instance for you to consider.... where it concerns prayer and forgiveness which so many fixate on ignoring everything else, there are at least 4 rules that your "love is the guide" approach would not help you in keeping ■ Do not pray in public the open or where anyone can hear you ■ Avoid vain repetitions when praying ■ Praying the Lord's Prayer is how to pray ... ■ Prayer consists of your asks, seeks and Knicks ■ Avoid submission to the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) as that nullifies the power of God's Word rendering your worship void. No matter how much you love your fellow man, if you refuse to keep the above commandments, you sin against God still. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by elijahkayode(m): 6:41pm On Feb 16, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: One word Catholic Shows The Christian church of Nigeria is guilty of Doctrine heresy over the word "sin" set sin on fire on see how the schakles of masturbation, lust will die a natural death Nigeria is ranked number one among the faithful believers of the Isreal HolyGod Called JEHOVAH/ Yahweh but a deep doctrine that can be counted as heresy is the basis of the Nigeria Church and it revolves around the word sin Ok let's take a closer look at this pray point from pastor E A Adeboye over Nigeria It state clearly here forgive our sin Forgive our sin is clearly heretic in nature considering what SIN is and has been doing from the creation of Mankind THE CONVENTIONAL VIEW OF SIN IN NIGERIA I would venture to say that almost every Bible-believing Christians in Nigeria know how to define the word sin. In fact , I suspect that most of them would rightly tell you that sin is the breaking of God’s commandments (sin is inanimate), or as 1 John 3:4 says, the transgression of God’s law (sin is also inanimate) but Sometimes the Bible uses other words when referring to sin. These words include: trespass [ma‛al ] , iniquity [‛âvôn ] and transgression [pesha‛ ] some theologians have argued that there are significant differences between these words and , it is absolutely clear that they all refer to the same idea of sin and are thus effectively synonymous. Accordingly, we see the truth of this claim demonstrated in the Scriptures. One example that comes to mind is PSALM 32:1-2 where we read: …Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven , whose sin is cleanse. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity… Psalm 32:5 says: I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid . I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin … ” How can iniquity belong to sin if they both mean the same thing? Perhaps the answer lies in an understanding of the word SIN that has been deficient thus far. Perhaps the semantic scope of sin is much broader than the Nigeria Church have led the youth to believe. 1.) What is SIN Ok lets start with how the HolyLORD introduce sin Genesis 4:7 If you do well, won’t it be lifted up? If you don’t do well, sin crouches at the door. Its desire is for you, but you are to rule over it.” Cain said to Abel, his brother, “Let’s go into the field.” While they were in the field, Cain rose up against Abel, his brother, and killed him. Sin ruled Cain and killed Abel 2.) Now to modern days A.) Matthew 6:9-15 World Messianic Bible The LORD JESUS says Pray like this: “‘Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy. Let your Kingdom come. Let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS, as we also FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS. Bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For yours is the Kingdom, the power, and the glory forever. Amen.’ “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you don’t forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. B.) Mattityahu (Mat) 6:11-12 Complete Jewish Bible Give us the food we need today. FORGIVE US WHAT WE HAVE DONE WRONG, as we too have forgiven those who have wronged us. For if you forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will not forgive yours. C.) Romans 7:14-15, 17-20 WMB (SHOWS HOW SIN CAN ACTS INDEPENDENT OF MAN) For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin. For I don’t understand what I am doing. For I don’t practice what I desire to do; but what I hate, that I do. So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don’t find it doing that which is good. For the good which I desire, I don’t do; but the evil which I don’t desire, that I practice. But if what I don’t desire, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwells in me. The superstars operating as christian churches in Nigeria has failed the people cause we can actually see the fruits of sin in their life Redeem means be like the holyGod would God see millions suffer and still choose to buy private jets Pastorpreneu is what we have not power This is why Nigeria is starting to become a community that's rifled with evil sins of all kind, also be aware the goal of sin is to be even more sinful 3.) SOLUTIONS But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Yeshua the Messiah his Son, cleanses us from ALL SIN. If we say that we HAVE NO SIN RULING US FROM CHILDHOOD we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our unrighteousness, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us the sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we haven’t sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 Yochanan 1:7-10 WMB 1.) Learn to see sin as the villain who came to deceive man sin is on equal footing with the devil and i beg you don't pray forgive my sin the Lord won't forgive sin but he will cleanse you from sin & forgive our iniquities as a nation 2.) Don't be passive with sin attack sin violently Bullet prayer to destroy every ruling power of sin from faith filled believers In the Name Of the LORD JEHOVAH Thou Most merciful God thy name is Sacred & forever to be kept Holy I seek thy KINGDOM Yes let thythoughts & Prophecy be done on earth today Give me the Grace to enjoy the HolyLORD forgive mysoul iniquities for all the sinful acts I've engage in Yes I am dead to the terrible rule & desire of sin Jesus MYsaviour arise Yes scatter this evil sin unto desolation Holyspirit expose my transgression so that i will enjoy myGod I am forgiven for the sinful act my hands have Sent out Yes the Lamb died on the Cross for mySalvation from sin I proclaim it's very Good to repent As i enjoy fellowship with holySpirit here on earth 4.) VERDICT For the church of Nigeria with millions of followers all over the world that much ignorance of sin true identity amounts to heresy REVELATION 12:9 says that Satan deceived the whole world, an action which is actually impossible to achieve without the help of indwelling Sin the ruler Mankind commits act of sin because there's a being called SIN ruling in Man affairs, Jesus gave sin a mortal blow that's why salvation is possible for mankind Sin is mortally wounded according to Revelation God will judge the church for their sinful acts first, so continuing buying jets, go and build the largest skyscraper. Forget the sheep who the lord bought into your care The tithes is for people to be eager to serve the LoRD not your budget My fellow Nigeria citizens the church is failing Nigeria in its quest to be stop sin and you can clearly see the deeper life trying more and more to be like the sin they were seperated from Pray to Attack sin violently is how Nigeria can be restored not forgive sin . sin will keep you masturbating any damn time cause it sin is alive set sin on fire on see how the schakles of masturbation, lust will die a natural death Sin is alive and it's feasting on the Nigeria youth soul raw yet the church is mute & deaf seeking more money to enjoy worldly vanities It's proven Sin will keep bgetting you into situation that will sever your relationship with the Almighty and we know some will end in hell because of sin So mybrothers ignorance is no use spare sin no more control sin to get out side note, Wage warfare on sin and enjoy lasting peace Fela finish talk am fine Wow our pastor really shines, pastor na enjoyment yet they are not Holy Bible also says Sin 1. lives in our body (Romans 7:5,18, 20, 23, 24-25) 2. is strengthened through law-breaking (Romans 7:9, cf. Genesis 4:7, 1 Cor 15:56) 3. produces lust (Romans 7:7-8, cf. Galatians 5:16, James 1:14-15) 4. deceives – promising pleasure but instead delivering death (Romans 7:11, cf. 1 Tim 2:14) 5. kills by working to produce death in us through the Law. Having ensured through Adam’s disobedience that all men will eventually die, Sin now seeks to bring about our untimely death (Romans 7:5,11,13, cf. Ezekiel 18:4, 1 John 5:16-17) 6. repurposed the Law which was originally designed to sustain and enhance life by making it to instead administer death (Romans 7:10, cf. 2 Cor 3:6-9) 7. seeks to be exceedingly sinful (Romans 7:13) 8. does not consult with us before carrying out its desires (an implication of Romans 7:20) 9. defiles the flesh (Romans 7:8, 24 cf. Ezekiel 28:18) 10. does undesirably evil things on our behalf (Romans 7:19-20, cf. Gal 5:17) 11. deters our godly impulses (Romans 7:18, cf. Galatians 5:16-17) 12. participates in our decision-making (Romans 7:21) 13. fights against us (Romans 7:23, cf. Galatians 5:17, 1 Peter 2:11) 14. seeks to reign and put us in bondage (Romans 7:23, cf. Romans 5:21, Romans 6:12-14) 15. is untamable (Romans 7:25, cf. James 3:6- Let Your personal interaction with sin be judge cause the HOLYLORD KNOWS better still creation know a society built on the truth of Yeshua will be free https://www.nairaland.com/6989251/one-word-catholic-shows-christian#110272235
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Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Ubenedictus(m): 8:47am On Feb 17, 2022 |
Gullah:They didn't mention illegal, they said it is invalid, because the priest had changed the catholic understanding of baptism as a work of God into a issue of man's work. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Ubenedictus(m): 8:48am On Feb 17, 2022 |
Aaronsrod:biko no one is God, God works outside the sacraments |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Ubenedictus(m): 8:52am On Feb 17, 2022 |
linearity: that is exactly the case, if a you had a invalid baptism then you will need to take all those sacraments. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Kobojunkie: 10:51am On Feb 17, 2022 |
Ubenedictus:God no send you or anyone go dey do "sacraments" so instead your sacraments nullify the power of God's Word in your lives - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Ubenedictus(m): 8:14am On Mar 22, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:if you knew what the sacraments are, you would not have written the rubbish you wrote above. So your own bible didnt tell you that God commanded baptism? |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Kobojunkie: 12:41pm On Mar 22, 2022 |
Ubenedictus:I know exactly what your sacraments mean to you lot and they have absolutely nothing to do with that commanded by Jesus Christ of His individual followers. Your baptisms are done without understanding of what is commanded in scripture. Even pagans engage in such rituals which seem similar to baptism as commanded by God in scripture but are of completely different intentions. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Ubenedictus(m): 9:57pm On Mar 28, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:now it is clear you are ignorant. maybe you can do a historical appraisal of baptism from apostolic times, down through the centuries in the Christian church. then maybe you may have a little understanding of what catholic baptism is and would not make the mistake of comparing it with pagan rites. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Kobojunkie: 10:01pm On Mar 28, 2022 |
Ubenedictus:All you have done here is further buttress my earlier point.... Kobojunkie:You think you can explain God and the things of God's Kingdom by examining the history of man's churches, opening up to the fact that your doctrines and traditions have nothing to do with that commanded by God Himself. |
Re: Father Andres Arango Resigns After 25 Years Over Invalid Baptism - Pictures by Ubenedictus(m): 8:02am On Apr 04, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:It is becoming clearer that you do not understand english very well. What do you think "apostolic times" mean? because if you did you would know that apostolic times refer to the new testament period of the bible. but of course you lack understanding and prefer to condemn what you do not understand. |
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