A40:
It's evident that you're still using Washington eye to look at John Wall.

John Wall last season shot 40% from the floor on 18 shots. Averaged 7 assists and 3.5 turnovers. A 31% 3pt shooter. That is to say him and Westbrook, omo iya kan ni won. You just dey wind yourself if you think Wall is a significant upgrade on Westbrook and that's not even factoring his availability issues

Essentially you would have a scenario where Wall, AD are out and LeNomad would have had to carry the load himself

Exactly, in chucks words, availability is the biggest assest any team can have. Imagine having glass house AD and john wall who has a worse injury record to AD not to mentions playing with lBJ which automatically reduces your productivity in all stats.

Khanben:



All this Top 100 high school ranking is nothing but rubbish, more often than not the supposed top guys tend to flop and those ranked lower flourish. The league is currently filled with lowly ranked players balling out.
It's like watching the fifa u17, most of the best players at that age never make it

Are you going to trade for say Tatum in the next 3-4 years with 1 second round pick?

At the end of the day, if you want to trade for players, Teams will listen to you if you have good picks. Why should the Lakers throw their last pick away in the hopes that they get a player to stay with a 5% chance in winning a championship?

These guys have like 0 tradeable asset. 0.

Apart from lebron, Lakers won't even receive a lot of attention for any of their players to trade. I mean AD barely plays 60 game in a season and he is only getting older.

And like I said, Lebron wants to play with his son, Should the Lakers also inconvenience themselves to do this when the time comes? The guy will most likely leave to go play with his son.

Most of the top guys in the Nba are top 12 picks.

AD was playing 60 games a season when the Lakers gave heaven and earth for him. And it turned into a championship. Just saying.

Khanben:


No matter how good Lebron his, the Lakers talent was not good enough to win because they drafted the wrong players. What has the promising players done since leaving to show they could have won with them? Nothing, Ingram and Ball seem to also have the injury bug, Kuzma and Hart are just rotation pieces, so what exactly did they lose

Oh waoooooo! This is as low as it gets bro!!!!

The promising players have gone ahead to become corner pieces for their respective teams and got paid! In a bid to sell the now debunked narrative about LeBum improving others, you are conveniently using injuries to undervalue the growth and development of Ingram/ Ball and Hart. Ingram left the LeBum and became an All Star, 2020 most improved player and is still balling hard as the center piece of the Pelicans without Zion. Lonzo improved his jump shot, now a legit 3 point scoring threat and has his Bulls tied for the 1st place in the Eastern conference. The same can be said of J. Hart and Kuzma.. Not all pieces turn out to be Superstars but there is strong evidence that since those guys left, they have become better players and improved from what they were when they played with LeBum.

Not everything has to be a debate, it is okay to admit that LeBum does better when he is surrounded by stars/ superstars and established players than when he is playing alongside young players. You don't have to undervalue others just to promote the now debunked narrative, it is a hard sell. Not every rookie is going to go on to become a KD/ Giannis/ LeBum/ Curry but that doesn't mean they are bad players when they improve and become core pieces like Ingram and Ball have become since they left the Lakers. Injuries are inevitable aspects of the game but it shouldn't underscore what players have achieved.

Khanben:

What has Boston done with all the Nets picks, what has the sixers gotten for all the tanking for the process, the Timberwolves, currently has about 4 lottery picks on their team and they are going nowhere fast. Picks are worth nothing when compared to established talent.
You talk as if the Lakers are not the number one FA destination in the nba as long as they have their house in order.

That's on Boston. Not every team is going to draft smart. What did Brooklyn do with the old men they got from the trade? 1 playoff series win?

Lol again Philly did not draft with sense. Whose fault? Is it anybody's fault that Philly drafted two #1 picks at PG that cannot shoot to save their lives in this modern era?

Timberwolves are going nowhere but they are ahead of the Lakers that have mortgaged their future in the standings. Ok

The same way you can miss on draft picks is the same way you miss on FA or you're forgetting how the Lakers struggled after Shaq left? No be Lakers pay Luol Deng and Timofey Mozgov or you think it's everytime Lakers will be able to attract good Free agents?

Khanben:



Again with the false narrative, lottery picks mean nothing, there are more lottery picks who have fall into the bust, and under achievers bracket than they have been lottery picks who have validated their drafts status. When you sign a 34 as a FA, you either have players who from their first season have shown they are ready to win now or you trade whatever you have to maximize the late prime of your FA. If the Lakers had not made the trade they would not only have not won, but right now they will not even be in contention. Does a team of lebron, Ingram and Ball beat any of the top 4 team in the east of even the suns and GSW as constructed. The answer is an emphatic NO.

PS: They laker have only traded their picks up until 2026.

You are right, the Lakers with those young pieces will not beat any of the top 4 teams in the West because those cats would not have developed into what they are now playing alongside LeBum. After the Lakers traded Ingram/ Hart/ Ball here is their playoff records..

2019- Missed the playoffs
2020-Champions
2021-Lost 4-2 in the 1st round, with your MCM averaging 23pts.
2022- Currently 9th, possibly a playin?

Show me where the progress has been? The Lakers are stuck at the moment and there is no where to go at this point than a reset, maybe not a hard reset like tanking but a reset is inevitable. They have traded picks until 2026, that is 4 years, 4 season from now! Bro, do you really like the Lakers organization/ fan base or you just like anything that promotes the narrative of your MCM?

A40:
That's on Boston. Not every team is going to draft smart. What did Brooklyn do with the old men they got from the trade? 1 playoff series win?

Lol again Philly did not draft with sense. Whose fault? Is it anybody's fault that Philly drafted two #1 picks at PG that cannot shoot to save their lives in this modern era?

Timberwolves are going nowhere but they are ahead of the Lakers that have mortgaged their future in the standings. Ok

The same way you can miss on draft picks is the same way you miss on FA or you're forgetting how the Lakers struggled after Shaq left? No be Lakers pay Luol Deng and Timofey Mozgov or you think it's everytime Lakers will be able to attract good Free agents?

Help me ask am how the Suns became what they are today? You think the Suns stumbled on the Finals? Why did CP3 choose to join a young Suns team over more established teams? How about the Grizzlies? Did they just stumble into 3rd position in the same dreaded Western Conference? I have been tracking the Grizzlies on this thread since Ja was drafted, receipt full everywhere...How about the Warriors? Post KD and Without Klay and an off/ on Green, how did they stay competitive? The Heat? anyone? How about what the Cavs are doing? If I were the Cavs, I will resist any temptation of having Ajala return to Cavs. They have a great thing going on there with Garland (22), Mobley (20), Allen (23) and it will be disastrous for them to lose those guys because Ajala wants to return home to retire and play with his son.

A40:
That's on Boston. Not every team is going to draft smart. What did Brooklyn do with the old men they got from the trade? 1 playoff series win?

Lol again Philly did not draft with sense. Whose fault? Is it anybody's fault that Philly drafted two #1 picks at PG that cannot shoot to save their lives in this modern era?

Timberwolves are going nowhere but they are ahead of the Lakers that have mortgaged their future in the standings. Ok

The same way you can miss on draft picks is the same way you miss on FA or you're forgetting how the Lakers struggled after Shaq left? No be Lakers pay Luol Deng and Timofey Mozgov or you think it's everytime Lakers will be able to attract good Free agents?

So if I gave you a bet, Lakers or the Timberwolves, which ones will win a championship first, who will you pick?

joshboo:



Big fan of LBJ but he's being ruining things since 1802. Now he wan japa go Cleveland back. big clown, after running around and mashing teams chemistry up like a panini he wants to be recognised as the goat.. clown

What have the Spurs done since Duncan left? What has the Timberwolves achieved since KG left?
How long did it take the bulls to even get to a conference championship after MJ left them?
Sixers after AI, Denver after Melo, Suns after Nash, Jazz after Stockton and Malone. The list goes on and on.
This idea that its only when Lebron leaves a team, that's when they suck is laughable.
A nba team is supposed to suck after losing a their franchise player, that is when management is supposed to reset and then use their picks to get the next guy, but most of them either suck at evaluating talent or want to tread water just for ticket sales

Roland17:


You are right, the Lakers with those young pieces will not beat any of the top 4 teams in the West because those cats would not have developed into what they are now playing alongside LeBum. After the Lakers traded Ingram/ Hart/ Ball here is their playoff records..

2019- Missed the playoffs
2020-Champions
2021-Lost 4-2 in the 1st round, with your MCM averaging 23pts.
2022- Currently 9th, possibly a playin?

Show me where the progress has been? The Lakers are stuck at the moment and there is no where to go at this point than a reset, maybe not a hard reset like tanking but a reset is inevitable. They have traded picks until 2026, that is 4 years, 4 season from now! Bro, do you really like the Lakers organization/ fan base or you just like anything that promotes the narrative of your MCM?

Lebron is still under contract till 2023, AD till 2025. If they want an earlier reset, they can trade both and recover all of their assets. You are talking as if the Lakers did not experience worst Purgatory when Kobe was there, or immediately after Magic left.
The Lakers if they play their cards right still have options. They can either pay a huge luxury tax next year,or blow it up and reload with a bus load of picks.

Roland17:


Oh waoooooo! This is as low as it gets bro!!!!

The promising players have gone ahead to become corner pieces for their respective teams and got paid! In a bid to sell the now debunked narrative about LeBum improving others, you are conveniently using injuries to undervalue the growth and development of Ingram/ Ball and Hart. Ingram left the LeBum and became an All Star, 2020 most improved player and is still balling hard as the center piece of the Pelicans without Zion. Lonzo improved his jump shot, now a legit 3 point scoring threat and has his Bulls tied for the 1st place in the Eastern conference. The same can be said of J. Hart and Kuzma.. Not all pieces turn out to be Superstars but there is strong evidence that since those guys left, they have become better players and improved from what they were when they played with LeBum.

Not everything has to be a debate, it is okay to admit that LeBum does better when he is surrounded by stars/ superstars and established players than when he is playing alongside young players. You don't have to undervalue others just to promote the now debunked narrative, it is a hard sell. Not every rookie is going to go on to become a KD/ Giannis/ LeBum/ Curry but that doesn't mean they are bad players when they improve and become core pieces like Ingram and Ball have become since they left the Lakers. Injuries are inevitable aspects of the game but it shouldn't underscore what players have achieved.

What a load of Baloney,, Ingram and the Pelicans are going nowhere fast, if Ball was such a great building block the Pelicans would never have let him walk for nothing.
I reiterate the Lakers just got a 34 year old FA who was at the time the best player in the league, anybody whose impression was that they would wait for the development of their young pieces beyond that first year they played together, does not understand how to build a championship side at all.

Roland17:


Help me ask am how the Suns became what they are today? You think the Suns stumbled on the Finals? Why did CP3 choose to join a young Suns team over more established teams? How about the Grizzlies? Did they just stumble into 3rd position in the same dreaded Western Conference? I have been tracking the Grizzlies on this thread since Ja was drafted, receipt full everywhere...How about the Warriors? Post KD and Without Klay and an off/ on Green, how did they stay competitive? The Heat? anyone? How about what the Cavs are doing? If I were the Cavs, I will resist any temptation of having Ajala return to Cavs. They have a great thing going on there with Garland (22), Mobley (20), Allen (23) and it will be disastrous for them to lose those guys because Ajala wants to return home to retire and play with his son.

This guys have massive potentials especially when sexton returns

That Allen and Garland na real quality

Khanben:


What a load of Baloney,, Ingram and the Pelicans are going nowhere fast, if Ball was such a great building block the Pelicans would never have let him walk for nothing.

Ingrams and the pelicans are going nowhere fast but it is the Lakers with Lebron, Westbrook, Carmelo, and Anthony Davis that are going to the promise land.

I reiterate the Lakers just got a 34 year old FA who was at the time the best player in the league, anybody whose impression was that they would wait for the development of their young pieces beyond that first year they played together, does not understand how to build a championship side at all.

If not for the bubble ring, the decision the F.O made would have been an absolute disaster. The lakers are going nowhere, and the earlier they hit a hard reset, the better

Khanben:


Lebron is still under contract till 2023, AD till 2025. If they want an earlier reset, they can trade both and recover all of their assets. You are talking as if the Lakers did not experience worst Purgatory when Kobe was there, or immediately after Magic left.
The Lakers if they play their cards right still have options. They can either pay a huge luxury tax next year,or blow it up and reload with a bus load of picks.

What kind of option is this? Pay huge luxury tax that will most likely not result in a championship. Lebron will be how old? How many games will AD miss next year? Which top stars will leave their current position to come and play with lebron that will turn 39 and most likely to leave to go play his son? Which top stars will pair with AD knowing full well it might turn into a Tracy McGrady/Grant Hill situation?

Westbrook has a $47M player option for the 2022-2023 season so i am sure my guy is not declining that option. Probably his last free big money so tell me, Which team will trade for westbrook with his trade value right now?

They better blow that thing up quickly, Send Lebron to cleveland so he can play with his son let everybody be happy. They got a bubble ring anyways. That counts for something

What have the Spurs done since Duncan left?

Any player that gives you the ability to win as a team for over a decade and a half with five rings to show for it. If you have to tank for 6 years straight to get it right again, I don't understand how that is a loss. Anyways, Spurs fan no they complain

What has the Timberwolves achieved since KG left?

You got me there but na weyrey front office be that. Zach Lavine, KAT, and Wiggins could have developed together but that win now mentality to trade for Butler disrupted the whole team. With the emergence of Zach, I am sure they are regretting it anyways.

How long did it take the bulls to even get to a conference championship after MJ left them?

See point No 1, The king gave you 6 rings and Retired, Didn't leave. Tank for 20 years if you have to. Na 6 rings we they talk about.

This idea that its only when Lebron leaves a team, that's when they suck is laughable.

Hmmmm

A nba team is supposed to suck after losing a their franchise player, that is when management is supposed to reset and then use their picks to get the next guy, but most of them either suck at evaluating talent or want to tread water just for ticket sales

Yes hit the reset, but thats what we are saying here. Lakers didn't want to hit the reset, now they have mortgaged their future for a bubble ring and left with terrible situations all around.

Sixers after AI, Denver after Melo, Suns after Nash, Jazz after Stockton and Malone. The list goes on and on.

What is this?

I love AI, DEN MELO, NASH, STOCKTON, but i miss the part where they won a ring for their respective teams so what do you mean by what have they achieved?

Philly has been to the EC finals, DENVER has been to the Western conference finals with two of the top youngest players in the game not including MPJ(Always Injured), Suns just went to the conference finals, and JAZZ with Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert.

joshboo:


Exactly, in chucks words, availability is the biggest assest any team can have. Imagine having glass house AD and john wall who has a worse injury record to AD not to mentions playing with lBJ which automatically reduces your productivity in all stats.

I don't even understand are these guys with a straight face asking for the Lakers to trade their only pick for the next 5 years for John freakin Wall? A guy that's missed at least 40 games in the last 5 seasons

Lebron and his army of Bronsexuals are crying and making Pelinka the scapegoat because he has made his bed and is refusing to lie on it.

Khanben:


So if I gave you a bet, Lakers or the Timberwolves, which ones will win a championship first, who will you pick?

Lol. You're dealing in extremes. For every Timberwolves there's always a Milwaukee, San Antonio, Golden State.

Why are we using a traditionally badly run franchise like Minnesota as your point of reference.

I can bet though that neither Lakers or Timberwolves is winning this season though and I can also bet the Lakers aren't winning no championships next season

Roland17:


Help me ask am how the Suns became what they are today? You think the Suns stumbled on the Finals? Why did CP3 choose to join a young Suns team over more established teams? How about the Grizzlies? Did they just stumble into 3rd position in the same dreaded Western Conference? I have been tracking the Grizzlies on this thread since Ja was drafted, receipt full everywhere...How about the Warriors? Post KD and Without Klay and an off/ on Green, how did they stay competitive? The Heat? anyone? How about what the Cavs are doing? If I were the Cavs, I will resist any temptation of having Ajala return to Cavs. They have a great thing going on there with Garland (22), Mobley (20), Allen (23) and it will be disastrous for them to lose those guys because Ajala wants to return home to retire and play with his son.

Dan Gilbert is smarter than that. He has squeezed the title he can get out of LeNomad. Let the Touareg nomad carry him kaya go elsewhere. Hopping from team to team like kangaroo

The draft is still the best way to remain competitive for as long as possible. There are 10-15 teams trying to win every other year so even if you load up on free agents a chip is not guaranteed as the Nets and now the Lakers are coming to find out

Kyrie about to resume full time. Y'all still betting against the nets going all the way?

Khanben:


Lebron is still under contract till 2023, AD till 2025. If they want an earlier reset, they can trade both and recover all of their assets. You are talking as if the Lakers did not experience worst Purgatory when Kobe was there, or immediately after Magic left.
The Lakers if they play their cards right still have options. They can either pay a huge luxury tax next year,or blow it up and reload with a bus load of picks.

This man is clearly in dreamland. What do you think you're getting for an aging Lebron on his last legs and last year of contract? And AD? Lmaoooo

A40:
Dan Gilbert is smarter than that. He has squeezed the title he can get out of LeNomad. Let the Touareg nomad carry him kaya go elsewhere. Hopping from team to team like kangaroo

The draft is still the best way to remain competitive for as long as possible. There are 10-15 teams trying to win every other year so even if you load up on free agents a chip is not guaranteed as the Nets and now the Lakers are coming to find out

I don’t get why people are missing the point.

You can draft well and compete for 7-8 years when the time is right or you can put pieces together and compete for 3 years, and maybe with luck win a championship. Losing so many cards while trying to put pieces together is the bad way to go like the lakers. They just don’t have any bargaining chips. None. Hopefully they can become a FA destination once again but most guys are plying their trade with other markets these days and are able to attract serious endorsements which only big teams could offer before. That was the selling point of these big teams but you could find that almost anywhere now if you are good enough.

donlittle25:

Any player that gives you the ability to win as a team for over a decade and a half with five rings to show for it. If you have to tank for 6 years straight to get it right again, I don't understand how that is a loss. Anyways, Spurs fan no they complain


You got me there but na weyrey front office be that. Zach Lavine, KAT, and Wiggins could have developed together but that win now mentality to trade for Butler disrupted the whole team. With the emergence of Zach, I am sure they are regretting it anyways.

See point No 1, The king gave you 6 rings and Retired, Didn't leave. Tank for 20 years if you have to. Na 6 rings we they talk about.

Hmmmm

Yes hit the reset, but thats what we are saying here. Lakers didn't want to hit the reset, now they have mortgaged their future for a bubble ring and left with terrible situations all around.


What is this?

I love AI, DEN MELO, NASH, STOCKTON, but i miss the part where they won a ring for their respective teams so what do you mean by what have they achieved?

Philly has been to the EC finals, DENVER has been to the Western conference finals with two of the top youngest players in the game not including MPJ(Always Injured), Suns just went to the conference finals, and JAZZ with Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert.

I am talking about what happens after every true franchise player leaves a team, whether they win or not, it immediately results in a rebuild. The lazy narrative that it only happens when Lebron leaves a team is what I have issues with. It happens when every great player leaves a team

donlittle25:
I don’t get why people are missing the point.

You can draft well and compete for 7-8 years when the time is right or you can put pieces together and compete for 3 years, and maybe with luck win a championship. Losing so many cards while trying to put pieces together is the bad way to go like the lakers. They just don’t have any bargaining chips. None. Hopefully they can become a FA destination once again but most guys are plying their trade with other markets these days and are able to attract serious endorsements which only big teams could offer before. That was the selling point of these big teams but you could find that almost anywhere now if you are good enough.

The draft is a crap shoot. Nobody has figured out the formula on how to quantify a can't miss prospect. That is why, if you already have a bonafide number 1 option in place, drafts picks are meant to fill up the team. The goal of an nba team is to win, not to be competitive. Ask the Raptors and they will tell you that the past 4 years were better than all those years they kept losing in the playoffs. Yes they only won 1, but if you hook Masi and co to a polygraph they will tell you it was worth it because they have proven that they have what it takes to build a team which can win it all because they have done it before.

PS: The worst is when it comes to legacy, nobody cares about how many playoffs you made, they all care about if you won a chip.

A40:
This man is clearly in dreamland. What do you think you're getting for an aging Lebron on his last legs and last year of contract? And AD? Lmaoooo

As in ehn! I no even bother respond to that particularly post. As though LeBum is supposed to improve in the coming years. A player that has progressively declined in most aspects of his game, especially on defense, is the one he is reminding the Laker nation has 2 more seasons (including this season) to endure. LeBum that averaged 23 pts in the post season the last time we saw him, can't carry the Lakers by himself, either with younger players or without a healthy AD! Some stories just write themselves.

Most of these guys are not Laker fans, they are just LeBum fans and anything that protects debunked narratives is fine and dandy!

Lebron should share part of the blame, period.

Shit attracts flies. If only Lebron had chosen wisely this past off season none of this masturbation will be happening. That bonehead mkpurummiri-inspired move for Westbrook compelled this abrupt downward trajectory of the Lakers.

Village people, wehdone o.

I would really love to be that fly on the wall that witnessed that conclave that, having considered all the pros and cons and the variables, decided Brodie was it.

Lebron, AD, Pelinka, Buss. How?

DeeMain:
Lebron should share part of the blame, period.

Shit attract flies. If only Lebron had chosen wisely this past off season none of this masturbation will be happening. That bonehead mkpurummiri-inspired move for Westbrook compelled this abrupt downward trajectory of the Lakers.

Village people, wehdone o.

I would really love to be that fly on the wall that witnessed that conclave that, having considered all the pros and cons and the variables, decided Brodie was it.

Lebron, AD, Pelinka, Buss. How?

Brodie is not the entire problem, that roster is bad and poorly constructed and you are right, LeBum played a big role in the construction of that roster but guess what? He may abandon ship and blame everyone else but himself.

A roster that has Melo (37), Trevor Ariza (36), Dwight Howard (36) D'Andre Jordan (33), Kent Bazemore (32), Avert Bradley (32) all on veterans minimum I guess but are supposed to be supporting casts for player who turn LeBum (38), Russ (34), Anthony Davies (29) by the the end of this season! It can't work! No one is interested in playing defense or pushing themselves. Most of them are on their last legs.

Yet someone is saying they have 2 more years to go, in the same dreaded Western conference that has the likes of the Suns/ Warriors/ Memphis/ Mavericks/ Jazz/ Nuggets.

Roland17:


Brodie is not the entire problem, that roster is bad and poorly constructed and you are right, LeBum played a big role in the construction of that roster but guess what? He may abandon ship and blame everyone else but himself.

A roster that has Melo (37), Trevor Ariza (36), Dwight Howard (36) D'Andre Jordan (33), Kent Bazemore (32), Avert Bradley (32) all on veterans minimum I guess but are supposed to be supporting casts for player who turn LeBum (38), Russ (34), Anthony Davies (29) by the the end of this season! It can't work! No one is interested in playing defense or pushing themselves. Most of them are on their last legs.

Yet someone is saying they have 2 more years to go, in the same dreaded Western conference that has the likes of the Suns/ Warriors/ Memphis/ Mavericks/ Jazz/ Nuggets.

If they had traded for Derozan, who was available for far less, they would have still had enough to make other good trades and retain valuable role players like Caruso and all of this will not have happened. Acquiring Brodie came at too high a cost prompting management to fill up the roster with any available FA who would accept the minimum and most of them happened to be ring-chasing aged veterans.

Imagine the Lakers led by Ingram, Ball and Kuzma. Lol. First round exit

Lol. People mentioning how the Suns are doing well with CP3 and a young core, how the Grizzlies are doing well with pieces they drafted, how the Warriors are coping well post KD, how the Heat are resurging recently, how the Cavs are doing fine post LeBron. Help me ask them how many championships these teams have won in the time period. Lol. We always want to talk about how the Lakers have done poorly by mortgaging their future, how they sought quick success rather than having patience in developing their drafts. Lol. They fail to mention the championship they won as a result of all that. There are 30 teams in this league, and if the Lakers are only able to win one championship in 30 years then that's still on par.

We like to judge the Lakers differently. A team that just won a championship 2 years ago. Talking about they mortgaged their future. Even if we don't win a championship until we're able to get good drafts in 2026, we're good. The Celtics haven't won a championship since 2008, and yet we're receiving moral lessons by a fan on how to win championships . It took us 8 years to win post Shaq, and 10 to win after that. Lol. If we don't win within the next 6-8 years, or at least if we are not competitive, then you can raise the alarm. I would do that AD trade again if given the opportunity. It turned into a championship, nothing else matters.

donlittle25:


Philly has been to the EC finals, DENVER has been to the Western conference finals with two of the top youngest players in the game not including MPJ(Always Injured), Suns just went to the conference finals, and JAZZ with Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert.

I like these achievements o. Dem make sense die. I'd take any of them over a championship

DeeMain:


If they had traded for Derozan, who was available for far less, they would have still had enough to make other good trades and retain valuable role players like Caruso and all of this will not have happened. Acquiring Brodie came at too high a cost prompting management to fill up the roster with any available FA who would accept the minimum and most of them happened to be ring-chasing aged veterans.

It's like you're not even aware of what the DeRozan situation was then. The only way we could have traded for him was a sign and trade (assuming SA was willing to do that. And why would they?), and doing that would have hard capped us. And he wasn't going to take a MLE from us to put us within cap

steady986:


It's like you're not even aware of what the DeRozan situation was then. The only way we could have traded for him was a sign and trade (assuming SA was willing to do that. And why would they?), and doing that would have hard capped us. And he wasn't going to take a MLE from us to put us within cap

DeRozan was only going to work as a sign and trade. The major reason that deal and the one for Lowry did not work was the GMs fixation with THT. Now what is THT doing? absolutely nothing.